bigfish3k:


so from ur own understanding
what is the significance of jesus not mentioning christianity

this ur question is so petty to me because whether he mentioned it or not it doesnt change anything, what matters is for we to follow his peaceful ways

bigfish3k:

i know where u are going!!!
the old testament that u people edited to become koran contain the activities of war. there were no christians in the old testament, we are now christ followers.

God sent him to come and change the face of the earth to a peacful place even ur koran recognises him
we are talking about christ who has come to change the face of the earth to a peaceful place so dont start quoting prophet moses,samuel,abraham etc who are all common to both religions
we are talking about mohammed and jesus as to who is more peaceful. i know in ur heart of hearts that u know the truth

bigfish3k:

does he not speak in parables? yes or no
to tell u that they are in parables - no action of killings followed those words unlike urs that he commanded killings and it was immediately obeyed even up till this day, he even had to behead people himself
i have explained those verses to u if u like try so hard not to understand it bc u hate truth
show me where Jesus or his disciples ever killed anybody - JESUS IS THE PRINCE OF PEACE u people also know it but because of jealousy u wouldnt admit

Empiree:
Obviously this is a bogus religion. It is very important. If not then, Jesus didn't bring CHRISTIANITY. The word came up at Antioch by Paul. This shows it is man-made religion.

Also it is very important to see connecting evidence btw CHRISTIANITY and Jesus because there are so many lies attributed to Jesus in the Bible

Few of them are:

* Jesus real name was not Jesus. He was not called Jesus because letter J didn't exist back then. No letter J in Aramaic.


* That Jesus is God. Nowhere Jesus said


*And most important one is Christian salvation depends solely on "death and ressurection of Jesus". This is backbone of CHRISTIANITY. If this is false, then, according to your Bible Christians are ruined if they die in christianity. This is what your Bible says not me.

See screenshot is a proof that all the people who died as Christians died for nothing including popes.

Empiree:



PARABLES

Empiree:
aaahahaa.. which people ooo. See my brother trying to blame Muslims for defects in his Bible. Lord have mercy.



but many Christians believe Jesus is God and he was the one operating in the old testament. And after he renounced violence he created new testament and act like saint. So how does to this erased the fact that the same God in the NT was Boko Haram in OT?. But you are trying to deny your violent God after the had used violence to achieved his objectives. If you deny Him he will deny you. After all there are traces of his violence remain in the new testament.

Don't deny him, buddy.

Empiree:
Obviously this is a bogus religion. It is very important. If not then, Jesus didn't bring CHRISTIANITY. The word came up at Antioch by Paul. This shows it is man-made religion.

Also it is very important to see connecting evidence btw CHRISTIANITY and Jesus because there are so many lies attributed to Jesus in the Bible

Few of them are:

* Jesus real name was not Jesus. He was not called Jesus because letter J didn't exist back then. No letter J in Aramaic.


* That Jesus is God. Nowhere Jesus said


*And most important one is Christian salvation depends solely on "death and ressurection of Jesus". This is backbone of CHRISTIANITY. If this is false, then, according to your Bible Christians are ruined if they die in christianity. This is what your Bible says not me.

See screenshot is a proof that all the people who died as Christians died for nothing including popes.

bigfish3k:

thank God u didnt dispute it u agreed he spoke in parables thats why there was no action of killings either by his disciples or we at the present day

bigfish3k:

so according to u he has used violence to achieve his aims, hmnmn , at least he changed to a peaceful nature latter
oya tell me when ur own violence in the koran will end , or is it everlasting?

bigfish3k:

so God came down by himself to give u your own religion. so mohammed is not a man any longer
somebody woke up and told u that God asked him to form a religion, does he have a witness?

Empiree:
As expected. Lie lie lie. The statement is direct. I know when Jesus speaks in parable but not this one. Keep deceiving yourself, bro.

Empiree:
Dont twist anything. Paul was not prophet sent by God. He formed his own religion called "christianity". If Jesus had brought or mentioned christianity, I would not dispute whether God gave it to him or not.. Paul was not disciple of Jesus nor did he meet him. Paul was from Rome. Jesus was from Middle East. Clear?

Empiree:
there is no violence in Quran. None. But your Bible is violence for no reason. I thank God that you acknowledged that your God was violence at some point. But unfortunately he didnt renounce his violence bcus there are traces in New Testament that he commanded violence for no reasonable objectives.

bigfish3k:


you said there is no violence in the koran after all the passages from the koran that i sent to you which u didnt dispute
i still wonder why there are so many violent groups representing you all over the world. Always reading out the portion of the koran that supports the killings that they want to carry out
remember Ayatollah always declaring fatwa on people according to islamic injunctions like the one he declared on salman rushdie - remember he is still in hiding
remember al-baghadi is also a Phd holder in islamic studies
remember jamal kashogi how he was killed by the sacred keepers of ur koran- the crown prince - as in saudi is ur own version of the Vatican city
remember how islamics have been killing people they accuse of blasphemy in bangladesh
remember what islamists did to malala yousafzai in pakistan because they want to force their believe on her not to go to school
if there is no violence in ur religion - kindly explain the meaning of apostasy laws existing in all islamic countries and where did they get such laws from
if somebody joins cultism and wants to leave, the said cult will go after the person to kill him - kindly explain how this is different from apostasy laws.

i laff anytime i hear u people consoling urselves with "we are the fastest growing religion in the world"
i always reply you people with - why not liberalise ur religion like christianity and lets see whether u people will be up to 1m remaining worldwide- most of u know the truth but the fear factor of being killed by the mujahideens just makes them to remain and pretend especially the women who are so restricted.
to proove what i am saying u can see the hordes of islamic refugees trooping to european christian countries to go and have a breathe of freedom instead of running to saudi arabia that is closer and a very rich country

- is there anybody that doesnt like freedom? -
Your religion should allow people freedom and let God be the judge of all on the last day not for u to come and impose one unreasonable teachings from ur madrasa schools which i dont believe in

dont u see how christian countries are succeeding with liberalism and also seperating religion from politics

please dont forget to explain the meaning of apostasy laws and from which religious book it was gotten from and why it is only practiced in islamic countries
i also want u to explain and reflect why countries that attach the prefix "islamic republic" to the names of their countries are not succeeding and are so backward and violence prone - ie islamic republic of afghanistan and pakistan

bigfish3k:

read matt 16 :13 - 24 , you will know why we are called christians, Jesus said take up your cross and follow me so following him makes u a christian, he also spoke about building his church

then about paul:
thats the problem with u people that causes unnecessary violence - judging others and passing punishment of fatwah and we be trying our very best to resist
so how did u know he is not a prophet - or is it now the duty of a mortal man to determine who is a prophet or not - the best is to leave that judgement to God
the ones that claimed to be prophets - how did u screen them

from ur last post u said the letter J doesnt exist in the jew language - so where did prophet Jeremiah get name from - so many other names like Josiah, james, john , joseph

bigfish3k:

jesus was speaking about the parable of the golden coin given to three people, read again (luke 19 : 11- 27)

Empiree:
lol... His parable stopped at verse 24. Verse 27 is direct aggression towards his enemies.

Empiree:
lol, you are a funny dude. So carrying the cross makes you "followers of Jesus" in another word, CHRISTIANs, abi?. This doesn't add up.

Let me help you. I asked you to show me from your Bible where Jesus named you Christian, where Bible is called Bible and where Bible mentioned CHRISTIANITY. I still got more that you need to provide answer for but get over these three first.

Now let me give you example. If you ask me where is my proof from the Qur'an where Qur'an mentioned or called us Muslims, where Qur'an mentioned Qur'an, where Qur'an mentioned Islam?. I will give you proofs.


Here they are:

Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an, or are there locks upon [their] hearts?

Quran 47:24



Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. Sura 3:19





And strive hard in God’s cause with all the striving that is due to Him: it is He who has elected you [to carry His message], and has laid no hardship on you in [anything that pertains to religion, [and made you follow] the creed of your forefather Abraham. It is God who has named you MUSLIMS bygone times as well as in this [divine writ] – “those who have surrendered themselves to God”, so that the Apostle might bear witness to the truth before you, and that you might bear witness to it before all mankind. Thus, be constant in prayer, and render the purifying dues, and hold fast unto God. He is your Lord Supreme: and how excellent is this Lord Supreme, and how excellent this Giver of Succour! Sura 22:78






why is everything in your religion has to do with Paul?. Is Paul the messanger or prophet sent by God?. This is clear indication that your Christianity religion was created by Paul. Paul was not even disciple of Jesus.



lol... they are English names given by White or English speakers. That is, Rome or Europeans.

Empiree:
lol, you are a funny dude. So carrying the cross makes you "followers of Jesus" in another word, CHRISTIANs, abi?. This doesn't add up.

Let me help you. I asked you to show me from your Bible where Jesus named you Christian, where Bible is called Bible and where Bible mentioned CHRISTIANITY. I still got more that you need to provide answer for but get over these three first.

Now let me give you example. If you ask me where is my proof from the Qur'an where Qur'an mentioned or called us Muslims, where Qur'an mentioned Qur'an, where Qur'an mentioned Islam?. I will give you proofs.


Here they are:

Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an, or are there locks upon [their] hearts?

Quran 47:24



Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. Sura 3:19





And strive hard in God’s cause with all the striving that is due to Him: it is He who has elected you [to carry His message], and has laid no hardship on you in [anything that pertains to religion, [and made you follow] the creed of your forefather Abraham. It is God who has named you MUSLIMS bygone times as well as in this [divine writ] – “those who have surrendered themselves to God”, so that the Apostle might bear witness to the truth before you, and that you might bear witness to it before all mankind. Thus, be constant in prayer, and render the purifying dues, and hold fast unto God. He is your Lord Supreme: and how excellent is this Lord Supreme, and how excellent this Giver of Succour! Sura 22:78






why is everything in your religion has to do with Paul?. Is Paul the messanger or prophet sent by God?. This is clear indication that your Christianity religion was created by Paul. Paul was not even disciple of Jesus.



lol... they are English names given by White or English speakers. That is, Rome or Europeans.

Empiree:
You see, I hate reading posts that are not properly paragraphed like yours. They are usually unreadable. That's what you did first time when you posted copy/paste, and now you did same thing again lumping everything. Didn't you go through secondary school.


Anyways, properly quote "violence verses" from Qur'an and let's take a look.

bigfish3k:

u cannot isolate that verse from the golden coin topic, they are one and the same. that is the same body of the write up, its a conclusion of the golden coin topic. you cant seperate a conclusion from the main body of a letter

bigfish3k:


if u dispute the name "Jesus"
then give us the correct one

bigfish3k:


if u dispute the name "Jesus"
then give us the correct one

bigfish3k:

ok if u are not comfortable with name christianity - u can call us "followers of christ" as synonym
because the name does not really change who we are - following christ and doing his works is what matters
if Jesus himself has asked us to take up our cross and follow him , we know ourselves as followers of christ and the world now called us christians which is a good name and means - followers of christ- i dont see myself as following christ and still miss heaven

even though paul passed most of the messages in the new testament and the messages are ok and divine
i am ok with his messages as far as they are supportive of godliness as against idolatry

bigfish3k:

sorry about not properly paragrahing but i know u can read and understand the write up if u want to
as far as u are educated you can read and understand what i wrote, they are not ambigous

just explain the meaning of apostasy laws that is practiced in islamic countries - i will be ok with that