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Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88: 7:45pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Barristter07: Dnt dodge question oga sir So in other words David was the first king that was born on earth or the first king on earth So as per kings why did God call him firstborn...was it because he was the first earthly king God created? |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 7:47pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Barristter07: Jesus is an eternal being according to the scripture also The Holy Spirit.... So only eternal being can exists in eternity... Which means you lied for saying a created being later joined eternity. Dont be stupid . verse 4 says when he laid the foundation , foundation means starting which shows they existed prior to the earth. Since angels existed prior to Genesis 1:1, your point is dead on arrival. Are angels eternal beings ? Ole..... Job 38 is all about how God prepared the earth...which is very clear from the preceding verses which is the reason creation of heaven wasn't mentioned. Unless you want to tell us that it was ONLY earth that was created by God according to Job. I know you've been learning something today apart from watchtower magazine and Awake |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88: 7:51pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Emusan: I'm telling u he will go to bed today thinking have I been deceived all along |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 7:51pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Emusan:Rev 3:14 Is an arch enemy a part of the enemies ? And I ask Did he existed as God the son?
By prepare you mean Create ? |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88: 7:52pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Emusan: I'm sure he is bleeding from the mouth right now |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 7:53pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Barristter07: This is irrelevant as long as you can't insert any of the word you listed into Rev 3:14 for us to see how it fit in. Again, the word BEGINNING wasn't part of what you listed, how come? This is my question to you too which is still pending. Job 38:4-7 angels existed before Genesis 1:1 , I love where we are in this discussion, you have to turn to Lies and fabrications . interesting Why is the creation of heavens not mention here? Was it only EARTH God created? This shows how depth your lack of scriptural understanding sink. Since angels existed before Genesis 1:1, are they created , let's see how sound your point on Rev 3:14 is God isn't a deluded person like JWs, He perfectly knows that a created being needs a space to occupy, so he created Heavens and the earth FIRST IN THE BEGINNING. But an educated illiterate like you will say a created beings later joined ETERNITY. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 7:54pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
freshboi88: Your friend tells you he has high ranks among the kings , Likewise among the Sons of God, Jesus is first . These doesnt change the fact that David himself is a king, likewise Jesus himself is a creation of whom he is first born I notice you have relaxed on your beginning definition, of the three definition ... Number 2 fit the context , I again tell you Jesus is not the source. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88: 7:54pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Barristter07: Oga why are u dodging my question nah, have I bottled u in a corner So in other words David was the first king that was born on earth or the first king on earth So as per kings why did God call him firstborn...was it because he was the first earthly king God created? |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 7:58pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Emusan: From the source .. The chief or highest rank is not excluded from the group , does it ?
Its clear they existed before Earth. That make them exist before Genesis 1:1 cos it mention earth.
And the angels watch as the earth foundation is laid ? foundation been laid means it not even yet formed at the time. O ma se o So are this angels in eternity ? |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 7:59pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
freshboi88: Because he was the highest king among the kings of the earth. Agree ? |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88: 8:00pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Barristter07: Dnt tell me what my friend tells me.....u c u r not ready to learn, copycat, so u r copying another person's explanation. So do u agree that in David's case firstborn son doesn't mean first created, it means preeminence? |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 8:00pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
freshboi88: why is Jesus called son of God like the angels ? |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 8:01pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
freshboi88: Pre eminence ? Yes ... But is David a King too , yes ? |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88: 8:01pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Barristter07: Yes so in this case when God says firstborn it doesn't mean first king created....it means preeminence over everyother king abi |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 8:01pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Barristter07: When all your balloons of lies have been deflated with a pin, next is to resort to joke.... Jesus is eternal as well as Holy Spirit according to the scripture. So only eternal being can exist in eternity, true or false? By prepare you mean Create ? Olodo....i even cited a statement from your own organization which says that Gen 1:1 could have happened billion of years before Gen 1:2, which can mean when God first created heavens and the earth, the earth was not habitable before God prepared it to be habitable. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88: 8:06pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Barristter07: In the passage in Colossians the idea of Jesus as firstborn means that He is preeminent over creation not that He is a created being. This can be seen from the verses that follow. 16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together Jesus is clearly called the Creator of all things. Consequently He could not have been the first thing created. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 8:06pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Emusan: Is an arch enemy part of the enemies? The dictionary made it clear that chief or highest rank does not change the Fact that even the chief is part of the group. So that question needs urgent answer And for the eternal whatever , does he existed as God the son ?
Emphasis on " Foundation " ? Retract that lie its foundation was been set and the angels watch , The angels clearly existed before the Earth. Exposing your fallacy of Genesis 1:1 .. Are the angels eternal beings too ? |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 8:07pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
freshboi88: So David isn't a King because he is pre eminence ? |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88: 8:07pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Barrister open your eye make u no go hell fire because u close Ur heart to receive the good news |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 8:08pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
freshboi88:Okay but David himself is still among Kings, likewise Firstborn of creation is still among creations |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 8:09pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Barristter07: That shows you don't even know what you're saying... Which group are you talking about? From Strong Greek the same word means ORIGIN Its clear they existed before Earth. That make them exist before Genesis 1:1 cos it mention earth. What of heavens? And the angels watch as the earth foundation is laid ? foundation been laid means it not even yet formed at the time. O ma se o Lastly, why the creation of heavens wasn't mentioned in Job 38? Is it only earth God created? |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 8:09pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
freshboi88:If u open hellfire topic here , u go roast o David himself is still among kings , likewise firstborn of creation is still among Creation. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 8:09pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Are you guys still responding to all these emergency preachers? |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88: 8:10pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Barristter07: Ur argument makes no sense. I want to go and play PS4 I dey come for u...u go c pepper today |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 8:14pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Emusan: Arch creation is a creation . Arch enemy is an enemy
Strong Greek it also mean Beginning. Origin ... Don't even go there , we both know he isn't the origin or source.
Genesis 2:4 they were made same day . If angels exist before earth, they do before heaven too.
Use your brain Genesis 1:1 and 2:4 place them at the same.time. so far the angels precede one, they precede both. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 8:16pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
freshboi88: Come back and get disciplined , David preeminence doesnt change the fact he is among kings. Likewise Jesus been firstborn doesnt change the Fact he is also among creation .. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 8:19pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Barristter07: Which group? The strong Greek you first use to support your John 1:3 also said ORIGIN and some translations use ORIGIN.... Emphasis on " Foundation " ? Retract that lie That's how you will know you lack understand, even Prov 8 you've been trying to use reported ONLY ONE PERSON TALKING being beside God. So why is God trying to deceive us with all these contradictions if we should go by you? Firstly, Gen 1 made it clear that "IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED HEAVENS AND EARTH" which you even lied that it wasn't "NOT BEGINNING" Secondly, according to you Jesus was the one talking in Prov 8 and only said He was Master Worker beside God...if Jesus and angels were beside God it means It wasn't only Jesus that was created IN THE BEGINNING.... lastly, all these contradictions just from one person all because you're denying Jesus His rightful place in the scripture. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 8:23pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Emusan: Answer this first : Arch enemy is part of the enemies ?
Scripture reveal he wasn't the origin of creation.
Angels exist before the foundation of earth were set, Yes ?
That rightful place , do angels belong there too cos they existed before Genesis 1:1. If they existed before Genesis 1:1 it means earth and heaven are not the beginning of creation. The verse never even state so. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 8:25pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Barristter07: Then you don't understand the verse Strong Greek it also mean Beginning. But the word means ORIGIN, so who are you to determine the meaning? All this is just to prove that you don't understand that particular verse. Genesis 2:4 they were made same day . Why was earth only mentioned in Job 38 if your flaunt is true.... Olodo Use your brain Genesis 1:1 and 2:4 place them at the same.time. so far the angels precede one, they precede both. Liar.... Gen 1 is the opening of creation and what God first created IN the beginning were HEAVENS AND THE EARTH. So both Rev 3:14 and Gen 1 can't be talking about the same beginning, that's contradiction. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 8:29pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Emusan: Answer that question first , Does the fact that someone is an arch enemy remove them from among enemies ? Hypocrite.
The origin meaning contradict the scripture .
You that understand, state the point: Does the fact someone is an arch enemy exclude them from being an enemy ?
I though earth was in the beginning ? So heaven and earth clearly were NOT the beginning of creation
Not the same beginning, didnt angels exist before the earth ? Clearly heaven and earth are nor the beginning of creation. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 8:33pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Barristter07: Your question is baseless in the first place. Scripture reveal he wasn't the origin of creation. Scripture says He is the origin of creation! Angels exist before the foundation of earth were set, Yes ? "In the beginning God created heavens and the earth" That rightful place , do angels belong there too cos they existed before Genesis 1:1. If they existed before Genesis 1:1 it means earth and heaven are not the beginning of creation. The verse never even state so. The verse says "IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED HEAVENS AND THE EARTH" Why do you desire to lie like your father the devil? How can you read a plain statement like this and you can still say "it means earth and heaven are not the beginning of creation. The verse never even state so." Since your father is a liar from the beginning I don't expect less from you. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 8:39pm On Apr 21, 2020 |
Emusan: It is not , the writer of the article I quoted used that example to explain his point . its either you are dubious or you agree with his point. Is an arch enemy a part of the enemies ?
There is only one origin , the Father . 1 Cor 8:6 from whom all things are .
Angels watch as earth's foundation were laid , who came first ? You are deluded Heaven and earth are not the beginning of creation |
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