freshboi88:


U keep trying to win the argument and not learn. It is a shame u not open minded.

Beginning has more than 1 meaning, u think I can be easily fooled... Hahahaha.......I laugh at u.

According to the dictionary incase u cannot understand things:

Can u see that beginning also means


the background or origins of a person or organization. Which has a synonym of source and origin

At the end nobody can decide to give his or her own interpretation. But to know which interpretation is correct, that interpretation must be consistent across scripture.

Jehovah's witness interpretation contradicts John 1:3-4.

The first stage of something is the correct meaning . or else why would Jesus be described as First Born

freshboi88:


U keep asking this question and I keep answering it and giving u supporting references.

He is referred as the Firstborn of all creation because is he the first to have died and resurrected. Simple

No Sir, that's a lie . Many died and resurrected before him. Beside we are discussing firstborn as it apply to creation. Who was created first ? That is the first born of creature not he who died and ressurect

Jozzy4:


The first stage of something is the correct meaning . or else why would Jesus be described as First Born

That least u have calm down with the insult. Glory to God. Now we can discuss as adults.

That cannot be the correct meaning. Do u know why?.....it contradicts other parts of scripture. If u are interested in knowing what other parts it's contradicts please ask. No knowledge is wasted.

Going to First Born issue. Before Jesus came was there any other person that had died and resurrected?.

Who is the first person to died, defeat death and resurrect?

freshboi88:


Ansa which was created first....Jesus or Heaven and Earth?

Jesus was created first . Genesis 2:4 says heaven and earth were created later .

Barristter07:
Emusan , Is an arch enemy part of enemies ?

You Cant escape this.

Substitute what you listed above into Rev 3:14 and let's see how it fit in into Jesus being the first created.

You See: Chief, Higher Rank from your own source even when BEGINNING wasn't there, you still went ahead to type rubbish.

You know what , Proverb 8:22-26 which was made first ?

I'll analyze Prov 8 for you later so that you can see it doesn't support you instead is against you.

So the point is, both Genesis 1:1 and Rev 3:14 can't be saying the same thing....if not it'll contradict each other, infact Genesis 1:1 is more favorable because it uses the word CREATED & BEGINNING at the same time. Unless you still insist that the writer of Genesis made mistake by saying that, what God created first in the beginning were heavens and the earth

freshboi88:



How was Jesus created?....if everything was created through Jesus?...u answer this. If u dnt have an answer to this then Ur sinister intention has failed before it began

Lmfao I knew you weren't going to provide an answer, based on clown way you be. I'm not even that religious but you sound like circus music. Lmfao asswipe

freshboi88:


That least u have calm down with the insult. Glory to God. Now we can discuss as adults.

That cannot be the correct meaning. Do u know why?.....it contradicts other parts of scripture. If u are interested in knowing what other parts it's contradicts please ask. No knowledge is wasted.

You are the one contradicting scripturt by giving source or originator to Jesus . Scriptut says he isn't the source

Going to First Born issue. Before Jesus came was there any other person that had died and resurrected?.

Who is the first person to died, defeat death and resurrect?

Elijah ressurect someone from the dead too.

Lazarus died and ressurected.

Barristter07:


Despite trying to help you, you still refuse to have sense - Does Proverb 8:22-26 not clarify this clearly ?

The sense I know you don't have in the first place!

So who is speaking in Prov 8?

Jozzy4:


No Sir, that's a lie . Many died and resurrected before him. Beside we are discussing firstborn as it apply to creation. Who was created first ? That is the first born of creature not he who died and ressurect

I keep telling u that u need the Spirit to understand this and also other backing scriptures. For example, there are other verses that refer to this first born


English Standard Version
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.

Can u see Colossian 1:18 explaining better what that first born means

Barristter07:


Jesus was created first . Genesis 2:4 says heaven and earth were created later .

Liar....

Why jumping Genesis 1:1 and went straight to Genesis 2:4?

So where was Jesus stay before heavens were created? Remember a created being needs a space to occupy....

Emusan:


Substitute what you listed above into Rev 3:14 and let's see how it fit in into Jesus being the first created.

You See: Chief, Higher Rank from your own source even when BEGINNING wasn't there, you still went ahead to type rubbish.

Is an arch enemy part of enemies ?

Still on the same information

I'll analyze Prov 8 for you later so that you can see it doesn't support you instead is against you.

So the point is, both Genesis 1:1 and Rev 3:14 can't be saying the same thing....if not it'll contradict each other, infact Genesis 1:1 is more favorable because it uses the word CREATED & BEGINNING at the same time. Unless you still insist that the writer of Genesis made mistake by saying that, what God created first in the beginning were heavens and the earth

Genesis 2:4 proved Heaven and earth were made later . not beginning , I gave you proverb 8: 22-26 that established same point . that beginning at Gen 1:1 is relative to the day they were created . Genesis 2:4

Emusan:


Liar....

Why jumping Genesis 1:1 and went straight to Genesis 2:4?

So where was Jesus stay before heavens were created? Remember a created being needs a space to occupy....

Where was the Father before he made the heavens ?

Emusan:


The sense I know you don't have in the first place!

So who is speaking in Prov 8?

Shey I told u that he would soon insult u....That shows u have landed him a deadly blow n because he knows he is empty and has nothing left in his tank, he results to insult to try to bully u

freshboi88:


I keep telling u that u need the Spirit to understand this and also other backing scriptures. For example, there are other verses that refer to this first born


English Standard Version
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.

Can u see Colossian 1:18 explaining better what that first born means

Firstborn from the dead isn't even first born of creation. They are diffetent contexts. One is related to death and the other to creation.

Firstborn of the dead is part of the dead , then firstborn of creation is not part of creation ? Hypocrisy

Emusan:


The sense I know you don't have in the first place!

So who is speaking in Prov 8?

Jesus from proverb 8:22

Barristter07:
Is an arch enemy part of enemies ?

Still on the same information

The list you provided I said substitute it in Rev 3:14 let's see if it fits in OR not.

The word BEGINNING wasn't part of what you listed, so what's your point?

Genesis 2:4 proved Heaven and earth were made later. not beginning, I gave you proverb 8: 22-26 that established same point . that beginning at Gen 1:1 is relative to the day they were created . Genesis 2:4

Just look at the @underlined and see how Devil has been so much beclouded you....

When it was written boldly in Gen 1:1 that "IN THE BEGINNING God created heavens and the earth"

Yet you can open your dirty mouth to say "NOT BEGINNING"

freshboi88:


I keep telling u that u need the Spirit to understand this and also other backing scriptures. For example, there are other verses that refer to this first born


English Standard Version
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.

Can u see Colossian 1:18 explaining better what that first born means

Some people ressurect before Jesus . and if been firstborn of the dead make Jesus at a point a dead person. Does first born of creation not make him a creation too ?

Barristter07:

Where was the Father before he made the heavens ?

The Father was in eternity...
So where was Jesus?

Emusan:


The Father was in eternity...

So where was Jesus?

Since an arch enemy is part of enemies .
Jesus after his creation Joined the Father .

Emusan:


The list you provided I said substitute it in Rev 3:14 let's see if it fits in OR not.

The word BEGINNING wasn't part of what you listed, so what's your point?

The writer explained the List with detailed examples . the example will wound you this evening

Is an arch enemy part of enemies ?

Just look at the @underlined and see how Devil has been so much beclouded you....

When it was written boldly in Gen 1:1 that "IN THE BEGINNING God created heavens and the earth"

Yet you can open your dirty mouth to say "NOT BEGINNING"

Between angels and the Earth which came first ? Let me test your IQ .

Barristter07:


Jesus from proverb 8:22

But according to the same verse it was not the speaker who created everything it was God Himself.

Barristter07:
Since an arch enemy is part of enemies . Jesus after his creation Joined the Father

So Jesus joined the father in eternity bah

Emusan:


But according to the same verse it was not the speaker who created everything it was God Himself.

He was a master worker. Get that ?
The point here is the speaker was Created before the earth.

Barristter07:


Firstborn from the dead isn't even first born of creation. They are diffetent contexts. One is related to death and the other to creation.

Firstborn of the dead is part of the dead , then firstborn of creation is not part of creation ? Hypocrisy

Let me educate u this way

Palsm 88:27 I will make him my firstborn son,
the mightiest king on earth.

So God made David his firstborn son....David was created before Jesus ryt?

While u answer this

Explain this verses

Col 1 16-18 16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Emusan:


So Jesus joined the father in eternity bah

together with angels cos they exist before the beginning of Genesis .

More problems for you

Barristter07:

He was a master worker. Get that ?
The point here is the speaker was Created before the earth.

How can he be a master's worker

When col 1:16-17 says

16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Barristter07:
The writer explained the List with detailed examples . the example will wound you this evening

Is an arch enemy part of enemies ?

Where in the list that BEGINNING appeears?

Substitute your list into Rev 3:14 and let's see how it will fit in....is that too much for you to do?

Between angels and the Earth which came first ? Let me test your IQ .

Gen 1:1 in the beginning God created the heavens and earth

freshboi88:


Let me educate u this way

Palsm 88:27 I will make him my firstborn son,
the mightiest king on earth.

So God made David his firstborn son....David was created before Jesus ryt?

While u answer this

David isn't called firstborn of ALL creation .

We are talking about firstborn of all creation here , You hypocritically admitted firstborn of the dead is part of the dead.

Why can't you admit same for firstborn of creation ?

Explain this verses

Col 1 16-18 16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Why did you omit verse 15?

Through indicate he wasn't the source of creation. But an agent.

Verse 15 proves he himself is also part of creation or how was he born ?

Jozzy4:


Some people ressurect before Jesus . and if been firstborn of the dead make Jesus at a point a dead person. Does first born of creation not make him a creation too ?

No it doesn't

Let's look at Palsm 89:27

27 I will make him my firstborn son,
the mightiest king on earth.

So if God made David his firstborn does it mean David was God's first creation?

Barristter07:

He was a master worker. Get that ?
The point here is the speaker was Created before the earth.

So Jesus wasn't the one who created everything anymore He was just a master worker...

I know you already know what it's about to hit you that's why you're playing a dubious play here....

And you lying people will be saying God created Jesus FIRST THEN USED JESUS TO CREATE EVERYTHING OTHER THINGS...

So what is the work of this Master worker? When it was God Himself that was creating everything according to Prov 8?

Emusan:


Where in the list that BEGINNING appeears?

Substitute your list into Rev 3:14 and let's see how it will fit in....is that too much for you to do?

According to the list, the chief of something is a part of the group . so my point remains , Do you agree an arch enemy is part of enemies too?

Gen 1:1 in the beginning God created the heavens and earth

I ask again : Angels or the earth , which came first? Your brain dead logic is exposing itself.

Barristter07:


David isn't called firstborn of ALL creation .

We are talking about firstborn of all creation here , You hypocritically admitted firstborn of the dead is part of the dead.

Why can't you admit same for firstborn of creation ?



Why did you omit verse 15?

Through indicate he wasn't the source of creation. But an agent.

Verse 15 proves he himself is also part of creation or how was he born ?

This is not a matter of creation or no creation but the meaning of firstborn and what context God used it in Palsm 89:27.

Answer me when God called David his firstborn son did he mean david was the first son he created