jason123:

I am confused. No one said that democracy cannot be learnt from the igbos. All they are saying is it can only work in the local level. Nationally, it would not work because your country does not only consist of igbos but yorubas, hausas and over 250 other groups. What might work for the Ndigbo community might not work for the benins and vis-versa. Btw, why don't we learn from the yorubas and binis? I still prefer their type of democracy where the cheifs talk to a central ruler before a decision is made. That way, power would not be centralised.mo.

So what you're practising now is working abi. How can u say it won't work when you haven't even tried it.

Dede1:

It is an arrant nonsense to suggest we learn defense or economic policy from Yoruba or Benin system of government when both capitulated at sight of British soldiers. It must be recall Ndigbo clandestinely resisted British influence till the time of amalgamation of the Protectorates.

We are talking about pre-colonial era oga.

afam4eva:

So what you're practising now is working abi. How can u say it won't work when you haven't even tried it.

Bros, how would 150 m peoples voice be heard? Its impossible. Moreover, it would be an avenue to create strife. There would too many mouths moving!!!

jason123:

Bros, how would 150 m peoples voice be heard? Its impossible. Moreover, it would be an avenue to create strife. There would too many mouths moving!!!

That's why they're supposed to have representatives at the lowest level.

jason123:

I am confused. No one said that democracy cannot be learnt from the igbos. All they are saying is it can only work in the local level. Nationally, it would not work because your country does not only consist of igbos but yorubas, hausas and over 250 other groups. What might work for the Ndigbo community might not work for the benins and vis-versa. Btw, why don't we learn from the yorubas and binis? I still prefer their type of democracy where the cheifs talk to a central ruler before a decision is made. That way, power would not be centralised.mo.

What obtained in Yoruba, Benin or Hausa lands was a monarchical system of government or simply a king in council. It was not democracy by any stretch of imagination.

Even the British did not understand the system of government in Igbo land as they raved about the societal organization in Yoruba, Benin and Hausa lands because it looked similar to what they practiced, thus, monarch.

However when social revolution swept across entire European nations, the idiotic British could not summon the courage to accept the fact a superior system of government, thus, democracy existed in Igbo land before they visited Africa.

afam4eva:

That's why they're supposed to have representatives at the lowest level.

hmmm sorry to bother you again

but how low are we talking about here

how much will they be paying each repersentative at the lowest level of about 100 people per repersentative

afam4eva:

That's why they're supposed to have representatives at the lowest level.

Do you not think that the country would be disorgainsed if we follow that system Anyway, how low do you want it? and is that not what we are already practising by having councellors, chairmen, governors etc (although, its not practised perfectly)

jason123:

Do you not think that the country would be disorgainsed if we follow that system Anyway, how low do you want it? and is that not what we are already practising by having councellors, chairmen, governors etc (although, its not practised perfectly)

would you prefer military rule?

~Bluetooth:

We are talking about pre-colonial era oga.

Of course, my posts were centered on the pre-colonial era. Look pal, Ndigbo had classical democracy where age groups perform certain functions. Most of the age groups were congregated by first male child of the families or males who have proven themselves worthy of a title.

Dede1:

What obtained in Yoruba, Benin or Hausa lands was a monarchical system of government or simply a king in council. It was not democracy by any stretch of imagination.

Even the British did not understand the system of government in Igbo land as they raved about the societal organization in Yoruba, Benin and Hausa lands because it looked similar to what they practiced, thus, monarch.

However when social revolution swept across entire European nations, the idiotic British could not summon the courage to accept the fact a superior system of government, thus, democracy existed in Igbo land before they visited Africa.      

from what we know from history the system worked in village settings.so how do you bring such to present day nigeria situation ?

Chei, because say person mention Igbo as topic of discussion na im make thread when dem open now now don enter 5 pages.

Why are people inserting their own groups into this conversation? This was about the NIGERIAN STATE and what it can learn from Igbo Democracy. Not about what the Hausa or Yoruba can learn from Igbo culture. People need to stop taking it so personally.

Igbos make up the Nigerian State, just like Urhobo, Ijaw, Hausa, Kanuri, Yoruba, Nupe etc. I think it is fair to say, that the Nigerian State can learn some things from its inhabitants.

Akhenaten:

Why are people inserting their own groups into this conversation. This was about the NIGERIAN STATE and what it can learn from Igbo Democracy. Not about what the Hausa or Yoruba can learn from Igbo culture. People need to stop taking it so personally.

Igbos make up the Nigerian State, just like Urhobo, Ijaw, Hausa, Kanuri, Yoruba, Nupe etc. I think it is fair to say, that the Nigerian State can learn some things from their inhabitants.

many people on this forum view things from a tribal point of view.

Akhenaten:

Why are people inserting their own groups into this conversation? This was about the NIGERIAN STATE and what it can learn from Igbo Democracy. Not about what the Hausa or Yoruba can learn from Igbo culture. People need to stop taking it so personally.

Igbos make up the Nigerian State, just like Urhobo, Ijaw, Hausa, Kanuri, Yoruba, Nupe etc. I think it is fair to say, that the Nigerian State can learn some things from its inhabitants.

you are right
also igbos should also learn from other nigerian groups jst like how nigeria and briton have learn democracy from us igbos

afam4eva:

many people on this forum view things from a tribal point of view.  

Not really about tribalism.i personally think the system is just being exaggerated here.how can it work in a multi-cultural settings when nigeria is not made of ibo alone ?

~Bluetooth:

Not really about tribalism.i personally think the system is just being exaggerated here.how can it work in a multi-cultural settings when nigeria is not made of ibo alone ?

You're right. That's why we should find something that suits us.

~Bluetooth:

from what we know from history the system worked in village settings.so how do you bring such to present day nigeria situation ?

Are you the only person who does not know seeds gave rise to trees?

Dede1:

Are you the only person who does not know seeds gave rise to trees?

roll eyez.

I know that it's a must for you to want to sound smart, but plz stop posting like you're dealing with a demon within you.

afam4eva:

You're right. That's why we should find something that suits us.

afam, why not a system that represent every single ethnic group, as a form of Parliament, where every ethnic group leader can discuss on the issue of nigeria instead of just WAZOBIA

also, there should be advantages to the community where resources are been mined

~Bluetooth:

Not really about tribalism.i personally think the system is just being exaggerated here.how can it work in a multi-cultural settings when nigeria is not made of ibo alone ?

This is one among many reasons Biafrans continue to agitate for a nation state they can call homeland.

Ileke-IdI:

roll eyez.

I know that it's a must for you to want to sound smart, but plz stop posting like you're dealing with a demon within you.

It takes one dealer to know another. By the way, how body?

Dede1:

This is one among many reasons Biafrans continue to agitate for a nation state they can call homeland.

how does bluetooth's post relate to biafra why do you have to bring biafra here

Dede1:

This is one among many reasons Biafrans continue to agitate for a nation state they can call homeland.

Exactly.

Dede1:

This is one among many reasons Biafrans continue to agitate for a nation state they can call homeland.

. . . . and this is one of the problems i stated earlier.
Our (nigerians) unwilling nature to compromise for the greater good of the nation would be Nigerian's downfall!!

afam4eva:

Exactly.

Dede1:

This is one among many reasons Biafrans continue to agitate for a nation state they can call homeland.

afam, why na

you were talking about pan-african crap before now u are talking about division

is it not you that was talking about posters been tribal why change your stance now is it because other groups do not agree with your views (igbo system of democracy should be used in nigeria)

alj harem1:

how does bluetooth's post relate to biafra why do you have to bring biafra here

Even if it is jammed to your nose, you will still not perceive the scent.    

Dede1:

It takes one dealer to know another. By the way, how body?

hold on, make I ask the demon wey dey use am.

jason123:

. . . . and this is one of the problems i stated earlier.
Our (nigerians) unwilling nature to compromise for the greater good of the nation would be Nigerian's downfall!!

Is there a problem with that?

I actually like what the poster is presenting and his intellectual posts [so far. Hopefully he's not one of Andre Uweh's IDs]. Unfortunately, the paranoia Igbos are messing up his messages.

alj harem1:

afam, why not a system that represent every single ethnic group, as a form of Parliament, where every ethnic group leader can discuss on the issue of nigeria instead of just WAZOBIA

also, there should be advantages to the community where resources are been mined

This is what Americans termed as mumbo-jumbo.

We should have more threads about the Igbos,seems to attract a lot of people, brings more discussion than about other tribes as well.

Ola edo:

We should have more threads about the Igbos,seems to attract a lot of people, brings more discussion than about other tribes as well.

tell me about it

we are popular

Dede1:


This is what Americans termed as mumbo-jumbo.

sorry brother, can u explain how

Dede1:

This is one among many reasons Biafrans continue to agitate for a nation state they can call homeland.

What's the big deal about that ?

the fact still remains that the system is exclusive to ibo and may not necessarily work in present nigeria.no hypocrisy at all.