The British actually had India and Egypt as colonies for much longer than Nigeria and didn't set up colleges and schools immediately or in many locations, so I don't see the difference, unless you can provide evidence to the contrary.

With regard to South Africa,  I'm pretty puzzled by how they did more for colonial black South Africans than they did for Nigerians, for basically no reason.

I had earlier thought that more black South Africans were more integrated into Western life and living since they had been coming to white cities since the 1800s and that might have been the reason, but I don't really think so  now. The Niger Delta, for example, had been interacting with the British for a long time (trade) and could have immediately benefited from British development when they were made protectorates, but the Brits didn't give a damn. I guess they viewed Nigeria the way Belgians viewed the Congo - exploit, pillage, and move on.

PhysicsMHD:

I see. Good points, though I was under the impression that Britain had been ruling India since the 1700s. Overall, I see why they did what they did. Shame Nigerians had be 40-50 years behind educationally in addition to how far behind others they were in other aspects. These Brits were just so exploitative. They didn't learn from their own history. Sometimes I wish the Romans had made mincemeat of them and made the British Isles into Little Rome.

EzeUche_:

The Romans actually did that to their province in Britannia. We all know the original inhabitants of Britain were thoroughly Romanized. Rome's influence went as far North into Scotland, but they could not conquer the warrior Scots.

Now what have now in Great Britain are the descendants of Germanic tribes known as the Saxons. This is where you get Anglo-Saxons who conquered the island, when Rome was falling.

PhysicsMHD:

I know. What I mean is, sometimes I wish the Romans hadn't been so lenient on them, knowing what they went on to do later to so many groups.

SEFAGO:

Wow in all fairness Rossike smoked the arse of those British apologist wanna-bes  

I do have to agree with his points. Although we cannot see it or see much- [b]NIgeria has come a long way, not just as fast as [/b]we would all love it to be like and this tells us of how much potential we have

PhysicsMHD:

lol, more whining. A very ungracious way to concede defeat. I guess these mumu leaders include Michael Okpara and Nnamdi Azikiwe. I could go into the failings of those leaders here but it would derail the thread too much. I think it's been sufficiently covered in other threads, anyway.

PhysicsMHD:

lol, more whining. A very ungracious way to concede defeat. I guess these mumu leaders include Michael Okpara and Nnamdi Azikiwe. I could go into the failings of those leaders here but it would derail the thread too much. I think it's been sufficiently covered in other threads, anyway.

Fact remains that NIGERIA WOULD HAVE BEEN WAY WAY BETTER UNDER THE BRITISH THAN UNDER ALL THE MUMU LEADERS THAT HAVE RULED NIGERIA SINCE AFTER THE INDEPENDENCE. YES, THEY WOULD HAVE DIRECTLY EXPLOITED NIGERIA, BUT STANDARD OF LIVING WOULD HAVE BEEN WAY BETTER. THAT IS THE TRUTH. POSTING PICTURES OF ROADS BUILT IN LESS THAN 5-10 YEARS OUT OF 50 YEARS WILL NOT CHANGE THAT.

ROSSIKE:

This is important because when people sit around asking why Nigeria is not as advanced as some of these countries, they should see that it's because the nations we compare ourselves with have been churning out highly educated technocrats, administrators, engineers, economists and scientists in their thousands, for at least a full century before us.

Those who start late will play catch-up.

SEFAGO:

Pray how large is the black middle class in South Africa now? Before the brits and dutch left power? After the brits and dutch left power?

PhysicsMHD:

@ Justcash, don't derail this thread with pointless whining. What's stopping you from going this very moment and developing Port Harcourt the way you presume the British would have? Did Amaechi institute a Justcash ban in Port Harcourt? By the way, the Western region excluding Lagos was richer than the East and had the same level of infrastructural development, or possibly greater (Ibadan, for example), so I don't see what all this babble about the East is about.

ROSSIKE:

PhysicsMHD said:

The British set up universities and engineering institutes in India, South Africa, Egypt et al as early as the 1850s. They seconded professors and lecturers from the UK and elsewhere to form the initial teaching staff in all those places. They had also established in those countries a high number of primary and secondary schools prior, such that there was no shortage of qualified students. So don't make excuses for them. They deliberately witheld education from Nigerians as a matter of state policy dictated from London. They simply did not consider it in their interest to establish higher education in Nigeria. It was only after unremitting pressure from indigenes following WW2 that they grudgingly established the ''University College'', Ibadan.

Justcash:


IT MAY DISAPPOINT YOU TO KNOW THAT I MEANT ALL THE LEADERS. YOUR TINY TRIBALISTIC BRAIN WILL NOT MAKE YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT.  HOWEVER, IN NIGERIA'S HISTORY, SOME REGIONS HAD BRITAIN'S BLESSING OVER OTHERS DUE TO THEIR EASE OF CONTROL. [b]THE NORTH AND WEST WERE MORE CONTROLLABLE TO THE BRITISH THAN THE EAST, HENCE MY STATEMENT THAT YOUR FORE-FATHERS WERE READY TO DIE JUST TO ALLOW THE BRITISH TO MAINTAIN THEIR CONTROL OVER NIGERIA, JUST BECAUSE IT FAVORED THEM.
THAT IS NOT EVEN MY MAIN POINT. MY MAIN POINT IS THAT NIGERIA WOULD HAVE BEEN WAY BETTER UNDER THE BRITISH THAN UNDER ALL THE MORONS THAT EVER RULED NIGERIA. BY THE MORONS, I MEAN ALL.

AND I WONDER WHY IT IS SO EASY FOR A not-so-smart person LIKE YOU TO CLAIM VICTORY WITH YOUR CLUELESS ARGUMENTS? YOU HAVE NOT PROVED HOW NIGERIA HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF NOW THAN IN THE DAYS OF THE BRITISH?
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OKAY, YOUR POINT IS THAT BLACKS ARE SUPPRESSED IN SOUTH AFRICA. I CONCUR. BUT IT MAKES ME TO WONDER WHY THE SO ESTABLISHED NIGERIAN MIDDLE CLASS FIND IT BETTER TO MIGRATE TO SOUTH AFRICA THAN STAY IN NIGERIA WHERE THEY HAVE MORE SAY AND POWER? OR ARE THESE NIGERIAN MIDDLE CLASS WHITES?

ONE THING THAT I KNOW [/b]FOR SURE IS THAT NIGERIANS WOULD HAVE ALL THE BASIC INFRASTRUCTURES, MORE INTERNATIONAL REGARD AND A BETTER IMAGE IF THE BRITISH WERE STILL IN CONTROL. I ALSO KNOW THAT NIGERIANS WOULD HAVE LESS POVERTY BECAUSE EVEN THE POOR WOULD HAVE JOBS, [b]AND NIGERIA WOULD HAVE BEEN A MEGA DEVELOPED NATION, WITH ALL THESE WASTED RESOURCES THAT NIGERIAN LEADERS HAVE PLUNDERED.

NIGERIA IS NOT ZIMBABWE, WE HAVE MORE RESOURCES THAN SOUTH AFRICA. SO IMAGINE WHAT THEY WOULD DO WITH NIGERIA IF THEY HAD THE CHANCE TO LEAD IT?

PhysicsMHD:

It may disappoint you to know that your dishonest bullshit about all the leaders is laughable when you specifically turned this tribal with your drivel in your other post about "Stating the obvious have now made people that are natural born cowards and  British apologists to accuse others of being same." and "The British would have left Nigeria in a better state (despite their exploitation) than your fore-fathers that turned the country into a big and disrespectful slum. Nigeria actually went out of hand after your fathers succeeded in putting the East out of the political equation, and started dancing to their ethnic drums on it."

Justcash:


CAN YOU POINT OUT ANY OF MY STATEMENTS IN BOLD THAT IS NOT TRUE?
DID THE BRITISH NOT COLLUDE WITH YOUR FORE-FATHERS TO QUELL A SITUATION THAT WOULD HAVE LEFT THEM (BRITISH) WITHOUT CONTROL OF A PART OF NIGERIA? GO AND READ ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE BRITISH IN ETHNO- POLITICAL SEGREGATION IN NIGERIA, AND THEIR INTENSE EFFORT TO EXTERMINATE THE EAST (IF POSSIBLE) THROUGH THE NORTH AND WEST, JUST TO GAIN CONTROL OF THE OIL RICH EASTERN REGION.
[b]WAS NIGERIA'S POLITICAL SYSTEM DOMINATED BY YOUR FORE-FATHERS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ROT IN EVERY ASPECT OF NIGERIA?
IF YOU MUST KNOW, I DON'T LIKE NNAMDI AZIKIWE AND OTHER EASTERN MORONS THAT JOINED YOUR FORE-FATHERS AND HAUSA'S TO KEEP NIGERIA AS ONE. I HATE ALL OF THEM.
FOR A SECOND AND LAST TIME, I AM NOT BEING TIBALISTIC. I AM STATING WHAT IS OBVIOUS.
I ALSO AM NOT READY TO DESCEND TO YOUR LEVEL TO EXCHANGE ETHNIC BULLCRAPS.

ANYWAY ABOUT THE "COWARD" PART. YOU REALLY VIEWED IT AS BEING REFERRED TO YOU AND YOUR FORE-FATHERS. WITH SUCH A NATURAL FEELING FROM YOU, ONE CANNOT DOUBT THE AUTHENTICITY OF THAT STATEMENT BEING A TRUE REFLECTION OF YOUR BEING AND HEREDITY.  [/b]

SEFAGO:

Statistics on this? How many comfortable middle class Nigerians are packing for SA and leaving their jobs to hustle? Not the UK or US but South Africa.

You might as well make fun of the French people, Indians, Lebanese and e.t.c who move happily to Nigeria to partake in business and seek employment albeit in MNC and companies established by the countrymen.

You probably mean Young Nigerian boys leave for SA to hustle? Yeah well if something does not work for you somewhere, then moving somewhere is not really a bad idea. In a "global village" we have the right to take part in the international job market even if its the drug market in SA  

The most salient fact is that  you would no be allowed to partake anyways in whatever the brits develop. You will only be able to be a spectator like most Africans in Colonial Africa.

Yeah right you know this because . . . ?? You seem to know a lot of things. Do have like a paradigm for your argument? Resources does not directly mean much really. Thats what people dont get- its not about resources or finished products its all about innovation and competitive advantage.

Yeah imagine how happy the UK would have been to be able to directly control Nigeria's oil profits. Imagine how their currently under-performing economy would be doing unlimited cash flow from their African operations. Imagine how the British Citizens would be enjoying OUR MONEY based on the sorrow, tears and blood of the people in the ND.

Nice  .

And they would be under no obligation to develop Nigeria anyways  , and British people become Nigerian- yeah maybe but would they want economic parity?

PhysicsMHD:

Alright, I'm done. Let the original derailer have the last word if he wishes. I won't even bother reading or responding to whatever nonsense pops up next.

PhysicsMHD:


Hilarious. A baboon like you telling me to go and read.  Who are my forefathers? Name them. What political system did they dominate? Imagine some buffoon talking about cowardice of people whose lives he knew nothing about. A pea-brained oaf like you thinking I was from a group (Yoruba? Does this buffoon actually think I'm Yoruba?) that "dominated" the politics of this country along with Hausas and then claiming you're not here to exchange ethnic insults when you clearly accuse specific ethnic groups (which I don't belong to) of dominating the politics of a country and leading to the rot in *every* aspect of that country. Throw yourself off a mountain with no parachute and stop pretending to know anything. You're just too dumb to successfully mask your pathetic tribalism and too loudmouthed to successfully mask your stupidity.

EzeUche_:

Globalization is just another form of Western Cultural Imperialism. Point blank.
We as Africans have fallen on hard times and we have forsaken our traditional values.
There needs to be a transformation of the psyche for Africans.