Ibukzy:
Would you rather let Messi get injured in the next game ,
knowing Messi had played full 90 minutes in the last four games with just 3 days interval between them and he is 33 today, we need to be managing his game time, to avoid burn-out
and out of the next 3 games celta is the easiest, why not start Fati, Griezzman and Suarez and see how the games goes,
if result ain't going our way, we sub in Messi.
Btw, Happy Birthday to the GREATEST OF ALL TIME- LIONEL ANDRES MESSI CUCCITTINI

pu7pl3:


It's because of one Ronaldo who was actually better during that period and was more dominant in Europe

jpmoriarti:
Happy Birthday Leo Messi!

So sad Barca hadn't taken full advantage of Messi's best years to win as many UCL as possible.

A return of 1 trophy in the last five years is simply not good enough considering we have GOAT on our side.

Sometimes, it feels like we missed huge opportunity to stamp our authority on Spanish and European Football. Yes, we dominated locally but it would have been more balanced if this dominance translated to more European Championships.

jpmoriarti:
Yeah someone like Debroslink.

He only visits the thread on occasions when the team drops points to justify and continue his #PassToMessi tirade. Like are we supposed to throw Messi away, so the players won't pass ball to him or something?

He's got a point though. Other players are supposed to take and assume more responsibility on the field but dude is now overkilling it. Everything he says is now a cliché!

Remarkably, you don't see him around this thread whenever the team manages to grab all 3 points. You begin to wonder if he wishes the team goes down, so he can feel justified?

tesppidd:
Couldn't agree more!

His prime was wasted by retiring team mates, incompetent boards, unstable managements.


If you look at the clubs that won the champions league in recent times you find that there were much more major players in actualizing those UCL titles.
But looking at Barca over the past 5 years, relative to Madrid and Liverpool we have been too reliant on Messi alone.

Look at Liverpool; Salah was the key man but there were major major major players like Mane, Firmino and Van Dyke.

Look at Madrid; Ronaldo was the key man but there were major major major players like Ramos, Bale and Modric.

Trulthfully speaking, Barca really wasted some of Messi's prime years.

Ibukzy:
Guy
i think debroslink was right
#PassToMessi is real
if you watch yesterday match u would notice how Suarez, vidal and arthur whenever in possession of the ball, they always look to PassToMessi even when he is crowded and when other players like griezzman are in better position to the score or create a chance

tesppidd:
I get your concerns but
If Messi played over 10 consecutive games when he was 32,
Playing 7 games at 33 won't kill him.

tesppidd:
As it is we have already blinked once in the title race, a second blink would be catastrophic.

IMO Messi should play against Celta, Athletico and Villareal; then rest at home to Espanyol.

jpmoriarti:
Nonsense!

When you have players who are unable to take responsibility, it is easy to see that other players who seem more responsible will get more passes.

When Puig came on, did you see how he was running the show, creating spaces and looking to accept more passes. Why did you think he got way more passes than the ineffective Grezimann, who was just floating in and out of the game?

It is even common sense to pass to Messi because from what we can see, he's the only one seemingly capable of doing anything meaningful with the ball, even when crowded. Grezimann will just look to pass the ball back to someone where the risk of losing possession is low. That's not the spirit we want in the team. We want adventurous spirit, one willing to take risks and damn the consequences.

jpmoriarti:
Nonsense!

When you have players who are unable to take responsibility, it is easy to see that other players who seem more responsible will get more passes.

jpmoriarti:
When Puig came on, did you see how he was running the show, creating spaces and looking to accept more passes.

jpmoriarti:
Why did you think he got way more passes than the ineffective Grezimann, who was just floating in and out of the game?

jpmoriarti:
It is even common sense to pass to Messi because from what we can see, he's the only one seemingly capable of doing anything meaningful with the ball, even when crowded. Grezimann will just look to pass the ball back to someone where the risk of losing possession is low. That's not the spirit we want in the team. We want adventurous spirit, one willing to take risks and damn the consequences.

Ibukzy:


yeah when Puig came on he didn't join the charade of #passtoMessi
and that is what leads to our only goal

jpmoriarti:
Yeah someone like Debroslink.

He only visits the thread on occasions when the team drops points to justify and continue his #PassToMessi tirade. Like are we supposed to throw Messi away, so the players won't pass ball to him or something?

He's got a point though. Other players are supposed to take and assume more responsibility on the field but dude is now overkilling it. Everything he says is now a cliché!

Remarkably, you don't see him around this thread whenever the team manages to grab all 3 points. You begin to wonder if he wishes the team goes down, so he can feel justified?

Ibukzy:
You are wrong
we do have players who can take responsibility, the only problem here is lack of trust, there was a lot of time in which Griezmann do make a run into space but was obviously ignored by Suarez, Alba and Vidal

yeah when Puig came on he didn't join the charade of #passtoMessi
and that is what leads to our only goal
Griezmann was not ineffective but was ignored it is Suarez i would say was ineffective.

Yeah, but not all the time, there was an instance in the match where Messi was crowded and Vidal still tries to pass to Messi even when there were players in a very good position to pass the ball to.

Debroslink:


Ogbeni hold it right there. If Messi scores a hattrick, I see it as a normal thing. And mind you, if Messi scores just 20 goals per season while we win treble, he will still win Balon d or. Why? Because he's the GOAT.

When I attack #PASSTOMESSI tactics, I am attacking the institution called FC Barcelona for destroying careers and building all the attacks on just Messi.

The foolish tactics has failed in key matches against decent teams especially when we are away. And if you are angry because I'm speaking against our style of play, then...

Ibukzy:
You are wrong
we do have players who can take responsibility, the only problem here is lack of trust, there was a lot of time in which Griezmann do make a run into space but was obviously ignored by Suarez, Alba and Vidal

Debroslink:


Ogbeni hold it right there. If players become self-reliant, and Messi scores just 20 goals per season while we win treble, he will still win Balon d or. Why? Because he's the GOAT.

When I attack #PASSTOMESSI tactics, I am attacking the institution called FC Barcelona for destroying careers and building all the attacks on just Messi.

The foolish tactics has failed in key matches against decent teams especially when we are away. And if you are angry because I'm speaking against our style of play, then...

jpmoriarti:
Nonsense!

A tree does not make a forest.

For every Ronaldo, there was a Gareth Bale who came up with lots of goals at crucial stages. There was a Ramos, who can be a beast on his day. There was a Marcelo, who can be unplayable too. Even the likes of Kroos, Modric etc provided a rock solid foundation for you guyz to have some dominant years in Europe.

The same cannot be said of your achievements in Spain though. A return of a modest 2 league title in over 10 years with all these talks of European dominance, leaves a lot to be desired. Doesn't it?

Nope, it doesnt...we still have more league titles than the measley amount y'all have managed to stack up in that 10 years while also being more dominant in Europe...

This your rant reeks of insecurity and jealousy ..all those players you named were vital yes but you were talking lamenting about Messi and his "dominance" and I brought up the only reason why he wasn't even dominant in the first place..

Ronaldo

Mcleo007:



Passtomessi will continue until we have a coach with an understanding of the basics of Tiki-taka. Tiki-taka is only possible with positional play. We cant continue to have Messi drop deep or drift to a central postion when off the ball, and expect not to have other players look out for him. We either revert to him playing as a false 9, flanked by 2 inverted Forwards or stations him permanently on the right wing. He has the skill sets to play either centrally or on the right. Every player must stay in thier positions while trusting oters to know what to do on and off the ball. Its simple!

BlueAngel444:
So barca want to sell Arthur

Juventus have agreed a £72.5million deal to land Barcelona midfielder Arthur which could end their pursuit of Chelsea star Jorginho, according to reports.

But why?

jpmoriarti:
I will say let them take him. I dont know exactly what we would miss with his departure.

BlueAngel444:
are you being serious now

jpmoriarti:
The only thing i see is that he is young. And so what? Average young player.

jpmoriarti:
The only thing i see is that he is young. And so what? Average young player.

jpmoriarti:
You said lack of trust? I will tell you that trust is earned. You have to show your abilities before someone can trust you with passes. If you are the one always ponderous in possession, not knowing what to do with the ball whenever you receive it, it is more likely that you will receive less passes.

jpmoriarti:
If you are not making better movement off the ball, it is also more likely you wont get key passes. You have to always be in perfect sync with your teammates.

jpmoriarti:
The goal came with a a pass from Messi to Rakitic. I think you're contradicting yourself

Mcleo007:



Passtomessi will continue until we have a coach with an understanding of the basics of Tiki-taka. Tiki-taka is only possible with positional play. We cant continue to have Messi drop deep or drift to a central postion when off the ball, and expect not to have other players look out for him. We either revert to him playing as a false 9, flanked by 2 inverted Forwards or stations him permanently on the right wing. He has the skill sets to play either centrally or on the right. Every player must stay in thier positions while trusting oters to know what to do on and off the ball. Its simple!

Ibukzy:

Griezmann has the best movement off the ball in the squad, but we ain't utilizing it

pu7pl3:


Lol, you obviously don't watch the boy

jpmoriarti:
And you do?