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| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by sirjec(m): 5:30pm On May 21, 2011 |
Virtually all the tribes have muslims and Christians. Division is not based on religion but based on region. The northern Christians will migrate to a region while the muslims will move to a region. They will survive just as Jews continue to survive though surrounded by muslims. Biafra will be they JEW and Japan of Africa. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by unphilaz(m): 8:06pm On May 21, 2011 |
@poster Plateau, Benue, [b]Bauchi and Gombe [/b]are clearly Christian states even though the last two and Kogi have been governened by Moslems since creation or commencement of democracy in 1999. the last two are not really christian states but they have 2 local government that are christian dominated (Tafawa Balewa and Bogoro) in bauchi state and Gombe but i think the southern or so on your way to numan (adamawa state). so i guess you were refering to benue and plateau which are actually christian states. southern kaduna is heavily christian |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by MMM2(m): 8:13pm On May 21, 2011 |
rapture will soon take place so let 4get abt dividing 9ja. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by EzeUche2(m): 8:15pm On May 21, 2011 |
M M M: We are still waiting. Isn't it past 5 o'clock in Nigeria? |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by JimmyBoy1: 8:57pm On May 21, 2011 |
@EzeUche- Didn't you hear that Prof. Jega has postponed rapture in Nigeria indefintely until rapture materials arrive every nook and cranny of the country? |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by publisher(m): 9:02pm On May 21, 2011 |
Nairalanders,myself inclusive,do allow our emotions to get the better part of us,especially when it comes to Nigeria issues. Let me state here categorically,NIGERIA WILL NEVER DIVIDE. We may fight more wars,muslims and xtians may continue to kill each other but any division be it along ethnic or religious lines cannot work. Many people dont know that inspite of all our problems,Nigerians have deeply integrated. In a state like Kaduna for example,you will find yorubas and igbos who have no idea of the which areas of southern Nigeria they originate from. Same with alot of Hausas in the south. Lagos has a slight majority of muslims,most of Lagos governors have been muslims,yet,no tensions. We have allowed the international media to tell us that Nigeria is made up of Muslim North and Xtian south. Forgeting that in South-west Nigeria,muslims are a slight majority,in North-central Nigeria,Christians are a clear majority. Our mission really should be improving the lives of all Nigerians,regardless of their tribe or religion. Do u guys really think that south west,south east or south-south can function as seperate countries of their own? Here's a serious shocker,do u guys know that majority of those killed in the recent post -election violence were muslims? Yes,we lost 10corpers in Bauchi,but most of the deaths were in Kaduna,in a certain muslim village about 400 people were massacared,but the government decided to surpress the story. Kaduna has a 50/50 xtian ,muslim ratio. Would u guys also believe that NO LIVES were lost in Kano state? Christians were also not targeted in Maiduguri. We need to curtail our press and information mgt. More people have been murdered in Mexico this past year,than all the religious crises we've had in Nigeria for the past 10years. These Mexicans are murdered in a sensless drug turf war,yet Mexico is still an international tourist destination,till tommorrow. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by davd: 9:18pm On May 21, 2011 |
No room for division. Any person that is fed up of staying in this country(Nigeria) should better leave to where he/she can practice his/her religion(s) very well. And for those causing confusion in the name of religion, to me they can be termed as coup plotters and should be dealt with severely by spraying them like mosquitoes. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by JimmyBoy1: 9:19pm On May 21, 2011 |
@Publisher, thanks for your strong statement. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by Nobody: 10:29am On May 22, 2011 |
publisher: Hello! Forget about emotions, Mr. publisher. If Nigeria is to stay as one, there has to be a concerted effort by its populace to live and work together. Hoping on some illusory bond is no valid explanation why we should stay together. If we arent too careful, another civil war may break out when things fall too apart. Those you refer to in the bolded, who are culturally tied to their birth places, have no reason to continually hold allegiance to this place. It still wont remove their feelings of estrangement occasioned by the distance the natives of these places create. Perhaps you dont know enough Ibos born and raised in Kaduna, Kano, etc., who haven't been to 1/3 of these parts, or who, despite living all their lives there, have no idea what the fundamental cultural traditions are. Take it easy man, Mexico is not divided by deep-seated divisive ethnic sentiments and a drug war is nothing compared to that. In case you dont know, such strong ethnic sentiments is what created pakistan and India of today, and we all know how far India has gone. While dividing Nigeria might not be such a ready option, it's still one to be thoroughly considered, researched and probably recommended as a last resort. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by omobadan(m): 11:22am On May 22, 2011 |
I agree with you totally, Publisher! I don't believe in all these division noise. It's understandable for people to talk about separation when they are disillussioned, but dividing the country wont change anything. All these problems are a symptoms of a failed government. This is what happens when years of neglect on the part of our leaders have resulted in the citizens behaving like animals. We should strive to make our leaders provide for our needs. Let them be accountable and maybe then can we have a good and prosperous ONE NIGERIA! |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by T9ksy(m): 11:56am On May 22, 2011 |
publisher: So you think the present status quo is working? We have been killing each other for the past 50 years and you believe we should continue along this self-destructive part? Many people dont know that inspite of all our problems,Nigerians have deeply integrated. Yes ke! We are fully integrated!  . That must prolly account for why we kill each other at the slightest excuse such as the eclipse of the moon or a mock cartoon of mohammed in faraway denmark!I hate to imagine what we would be doing to each other if we are not fully INTEGRATED. Gosh! I tire for my people O. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by publisher(m): 1:05pm On May 22, 2011 |
@T9ksy How many Nigerians of other ethnic groups have YOU personally killed? Just because we have touts and criminals who kill at the slightest opportunity,doesnt mean that MAJORITY of Nigerians are like that. I made reference to Mexico,please google on their recent drug turf war,were people are murdered,excecuted everyday and i mean everyday. Does that make an average Mexican a blood thirsty drug baron? Nigerians have integrated deeply,that doesnt mean we dont have dissidents. America may have a 'black president' yet there are still areas in America where a black,or Latino will not dare to live in,even though he/she has a constitutional right to live anywhere in America. Does that make USA a bad country? Just because we have constant religious issues in just about 6 Nigerian states,the majority of 30 states where Nigerians of all ethnic groups are living peacefully does not count  Please use your brains if u have one. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by T9ksy(m): 1:54pm On May 22, 2011 |
Please use your brains if u have one Publisher, why do you have to be downright rude to my rejoinder to your post? was i rude to you in my post? if you have any objection to my post, just say so. getting personal doesn't add any value to your objection (to my post) rather it devalues it. This is a public forum and one is bound to have oppossing views to one's premise. Sorry but can't be asked to join you in cyber war of words. Thank you and have a nice day. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by publisher(m): 2:23pm On May 22, 2011 |
@T9ksy I AM SORRY !!!  |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by miracle4(m): 3:17pm On May 22, 2011 |
speechless |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by T9ksy(m): 3:51pm On May 22, 2011 |
publisher: Apology accepted!!! Publisher, one thing you and peps like you are forgetting is that we are too fundamentally different to be one. Its akin to having the french, the germans and the brits in one union. Left to own devices, would the yorubas and the igbos have agreed to form a union? would the igbos and the hausa/fulanis have opted to be one nation? Never mind the minorities. who wants to be told how to live his/her life in his own fatherland? Up till the time the brits came into our land, the yorubas and the fulanis were involved in a war of hegemony which resulted in the loss of jos-an outpost of yorubaland to the aggressors. its no secret that the fulanis aim to over-run the whole of yorubaland. There will never be peace in that country as long as this sham marriage of convenience is maintained. when you talk about integration- yes maybe in the SW but definately not in the whole country. When was the last time you heard of religious crisis in yorubaland? There is hardly any yoruba family that you wouldn't see a mixture of all faith- mine included. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by Nobody: 7:57pm On May 22, 2011 |
DivideUs, you are talking about pastors violating young girls and yet your Imams and Mallams have sex with underage kids.We have lost count on the number of 11 and 12 yr old girls who have been made pregnant by these grey beaded imams. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by Nobody: 12:18am On May 23, 2011 |
Logically speaking, I think it is outright stupidity to think Nigeria will ever divide along religious lines. The South west for instance is equally divided between Christians and Muslims and at no time have we witnessed a religious conflict. If Nigeria will ever divide, though, i do not see the likelihood of this happening, it will probably be along ethnic and regional lines. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by Nobody: 8:56am On May 23, 2011 |
tom28: i am not int support of girls getting married at that age but you know what? i'd rather have my daughter marry than have her raped a that age, anyways in a lot of european countries the age of consent is 12 as long as the parents approve but if they don't its called RAPE! Read up on age of consent in holland and spain. Now what about raping young boys by your priests? |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by swaggrbabe: 10:25am On May 23, 2011 |
DivideUs: Whoever you are u are simply stupid. You guys that are hypocrites, ur immans and mallams marry up to 4 wives yet u sleep around. Who are you to judge. you mallams are the ones who like women more than anything in the world. U say is better to marry this young gals? most of you mallams that marry and divorce them after using them and then you replace them. if u start counting most of them have married up to 10 wife's and give births to this almajiris we know today as nuisance in our society. What about Osama Bin laden that porn films was found in his computer yet he was preaching against the west. I tell u if u tight a tree wrapper this mallams will chase it and still pour. Mtcheew. Hypocrites. Pleases we most divide |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by Nobody: 10:50am On May 23, 2011 |
swaggrbabe: I'm sure that's Brilliant arguemntin your head, sad. you are right we must break cos we are not the same people and I keep saying, judge muslims and not islam because you don't know jack about it. Its like me judging christians on the basis that you guys ra*pe little boys and girls, you do it but your religion frowns or even forbids it, same here but marrge is acceptable at that age not only to us but to the countries fo*ols like you look upto! And what happens if at the end islam turns out to be the one true and you only find out when its too late for you? Like people in the law business say "ignorance is not an excuse" I suggest you study all religions before you make statements on things you know nothing about. Doint that also clears all doubt about your own religion cos you can actually stand up anywhere and say I studied them and they don't come close to mine! And for your info osama is not a muslim leader and no right thinking muslim supports him, for the indecency on computer, you've been fed a lot of stories how are you so sure that this one is true? Burried at sea according to islamic rights! My a*s every muslim know that's bull*shait. Read up dude |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by hakanai(m): 1:23pm On May 23, 2011 |
Its easy for some fools in the south to think its just about relocating the Northern Christians or they all go to war over religion.You are certainly wrong what of minority tribes with alot of Christians and Muslims.You think for instance i would watch my kinsmen split over religion and be like North and south Korea?  You so wrong you don't know shit.Alot of minority tribes from Plateau,Kogi,Katsina,Kaduna,Borno,Adamawa,Gombe,Benue,Nasarawa etc have mixed religious relatives and all that.So you mean they should part with there lands and people?  Like in my family we almost split across the two faiths,should then let my siblings or relatives migrate.Hell no! As much as the south loves to see a split,you may want to mind your own business and let everyone tackle his problems.Stop the fake worrying and thinking for us.The instigation of not ever being able to survive together is in your imagination.Alot of communities have survived with mixed religions in the north especially of same tribe. It could be different across some tribes,especially the Typical Hausas. Its never happened in my tribe and its well known that we tolerate each other.So stop making things look hopeless! |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by revomind(m): 2:07pm On May 23, 2011 |
If I were from Jos, I'd rather die than surrender that beautiful town. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by namdo(m): 5:01pm On May 23, 2011 |
yes i agree that there has been some integration of ethnic groups through cohabitation and to some extent inter marriages but the question remains: why do people in the north keep killing southerners at the slightest provocation? This is why people think both divides cannot coexist. Could it be that there is a minority extremists group supporting these killings? eg bokoharam sect Could it be that the average common hausa/fulani/moslem ordinarily would not kill a christian or a person unless coaxed into doing so. Could it be that strangers are usually hired to carryout these acts in the name of moslems/fulanis/hausas Could it be that these riots/killings have not been studied carefully to understand their real nature so as to know how to stem them. Could it be that we have state/federal gov'ts that do not know how to provide security and are biased about coexistence-they have it in lips and not in actions Could it be that truly nigeria is not yet a nation in reality but a nation in the making, that still needs to undergo some more pains and metamorphosis. Could it be that these actions are actually driven by deprivation, poverty, and lack of self-worthy leading to competitions and insecurity at sight of one another especially if of different ethnicity or religion. Otherwise going about your normal business, why would one dare kill another man whom he/she sees as from the same country or community? Division is not the answer but solution is continuing integration, education, good governance and engendering of integrity, confidence in ability to provide for all and selfworth in society - North, South, East or West. Governments can put these in place if they are sincere in every state such that those who perpetrate evils are brought to justice and those interfering with the well being and unity of nigeria are thoroughly repelled with government aparatus. This will instill discipline and fear of evil. right now there is no fear of evil in nigeria. It's not that North and South cannot co-exist, and our governments are not helping matters.   |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by Nobody: 6:36pm On May 23, 2011 |
namdo: You make a lot of sense but you need to understand that this project called nigeria is not working, not because its impossible but cos we the people don't want it to work, I have been talking to and asking people and I promise you people down north would rather have the southerners and a few northern people as forigners and I don't think such sentiments will ever change. So now its both south and north that wants the devide! Finish. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by Nobody: 10:45pm On May 24, 2011 |
swaggrbabe:Yes they are hypocrites.At the time Yerima was Gov of Zamfara state he used to travel to the united states with his entourage and have wild sex parties with white girls.So who is fooling who? |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by Nobody: 10:48pm On May 24, 2011 |
DivideUs:But those Priests you talk about who violate young kids have always been brought to book.How many Mallams and Imams have been punished for violating young girls.The answer is none. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by Nobody: 11:32pm On May 24, 2011 |
tom28: you call the vatican paying victims and thier families off "brought to book"? Blinded by hate you will only see faults in others. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by Nobody: 12:31am On May 25, 2011 |
DivideUs:Many of such priests have been prosecuted by the civil courts and i am not talking about the vatican.When a priest abuses a child then such a case is out of the hand of the vatican. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by loco4love: 1:00am On May 25, 2011 |
Yorubas will try to protect Christians in the North from murderers. I hope other peoples in the South will do the same. |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by Nobody: 8:50am On May 25, 2011 |
tom28: not many, maybe a few. most of what you hear in the news is payments to the families and such priests being shuffled around, even the current pope was said to have known of such cases before he was pope and not only that punishment wasnt really handed down he was aware of a coverup (don't believe me google it), but for the sake of knowledge, please feed me on casses punished. I'd really appreciate it so that when next something like this comes up I'll learn to shut up. And I mean real punishment not financial cos if you rape a kid and you are nobody, you go to jail, why shouldn't thay, period |
| Re: If Nigeria Divides, What Happens To The Christians In The North? by BigBro(m): 4:52pm On May 26, 2011 |
Naija is not one and has never been one since Independence. The best thing for this project called Nigeria is to split. thousands of people (mostly innocent) have been maimed and killed simply because they were not from the same ethnic group or do not share the same belief with their assailants. So, I think it is high time that this country breaks off and everybody finds his/her way. |
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