immortalcrown:
Christianity without modesty is erroneous. and actions are physical yardsticks to measure modesty. If your heart is clean, let not your dressing and action say otherwise. If your dressing is modest but your heart and actions are dirty, try purify the heart and the actions. The state of my heart cannot be easily understood by other people. But my dressing and words can be easily evaluated by humans. Stop saying that dressing does not define you. If dressing does not define you, wear sports wear to a bank interview or wear suite to play football.

Thank you for this

TechSpecialist:

What's your point bro Arindin?

Righteousness2:
Brother, as a young man born in Deeper life Bible Church in the Early 80's and Grommed in DLBC until 2004 when I moved to the The Lords Chosen, I must say you have a very Valid Protest!

I Perceive GOD is using you to Pass a Very Strong Message to HIS Church and HIS servant. The ways of GOD ALMIGHTY are not the ways of Men.
The ALMIGHTY HOLY GOD will not change HIS Standard because of a Changing World.

I Pray HIS Servant and one of the Core Holiness Apostles and Generals of this Generation, Pastor WF Kumuyi takes note of this Peaceful Protest.

You are edging him on. From the time of Miriam, Aaron, Koran, Dothan and Abram Scriptures do not encourage such conduct. Scriptures would rather have a Christian search the scriptures on the matter and go to God in prayer seeking His face or leave to join an assembly of the likeminded.It is divisive conduct that takes attention away from Jesus Christ all are in church to worship. It is not impossible that many in that church today will have their attention and conversations about the lone protester. Ill advised conduct.

Nezzjnr:


If you could grab my statement... You'll know that politicians sitting on the Altar is very bad.

The Altar is the most sacred place in the house of God and with the type of politicians we have in Nigeria... Hmmmmm

Yeah, it is. But this generation pastors have been morally compromised. They can't say no to things that are wrong especially when money is involved.

I know you will tell me that Kumuyi is a wealthy man of God in all standards which is true. The bottom line is no man turns down an extra bucks especially one that is coming from a state governor.

Politics money sweet abeg

He is a rebel for speaking against his leader in that manner. The same non scriptural doctrines that drove many youths away from the faith and the church is the same non scriptural doctrines that Baba is removing. If you are not okay with the changes happening in Deeper life church now, you better move out.
We have a lot of hypocrites who are devils inward but appearing like angels outside. Most of these people when you go close to them have nothing to right home about

Timidangote:
I grew up in DCLM and I've been a worshipper all my life. But while growing up I realized some of the doctrines of our church are man-made and not Holy Spirit inspired.
I remember some years back around 2014 during question and answer time after our STS on a Sunday like this, Someone asked a question at IBTC, "Are all this contemporary musicians of today truly worshipping God and why is it that we don't invite them to our congregation. Pastor Kumuyi himself happened to answer that most of this musicians are singing for money and not to worship or glorify God.
So today, if he's inviting thesame people he has condemned in the past he should let us know the church is not offering them cash price to entertain her members.
If he is changing his stands he should do this with convincing explanation why there is need for that and not leave his flocks to figure out things in there own.

Many don't like talking about it, but truth is, Kumuyi deceived a lot of people.

There are so many problems with RCCG but one thing I like about the church is that they don't pretend they don't need money, in fact, RCCG love money and they don't hide it. In RCCG, you can't invite a pastor without sliding something into his pocket, we call it honorarium and its the standard.

Baba dey pay Pastors but will not pay gospel artiste, I guess it's safe to say the Deeper Life pastors on payroll don't love God but do it for the money also.


The obvious answer to your question is that these gospel artists were payed for their performance, same as the invited pastors. Some do reject the money tho but it's rare.

thesicilian:
The truth is that the moment you start inviting outsiders in, it's just a matter of time before the bad eggs follow in as well.

So when you start inviting gospel Artist like tope Alabi and the likes.

Bad eggs will enter the church.

Silly muntus

pegix:
Rubbish and useless claim

The introduction of new music to the church is welcoming
I'm in my early 20s and i must say we love it

Was born into the church...all of us

We tired of them 17th and 18th century hymns
The introduction was for the youth definitely...we cant relate no more to those old sounds

We don't even know the composers

Funny enough most time we dont sings these songs by ourselves...it always prerecorded in some tapes

If u think na lie go to any local deeperlife church

Personally i don't get move too much by those sounds

They old, music has changed over the years

But wait...who is the man tagging world musician

Don Moen, nathaniel bassey ??

If church don tire am .make e get out now

Shey dem wan kill youth for church ni

Before na dressing code, hairstyles
Now music again...na wa o

If e no be.....boyz go japa soon like this..no cap

What could be suggested is that

The music should careful considered b4 introduction

I go church say make i worship...u go dey play one kind 17th century gbedu...wey gospel singers full naija and abroad

worshipping God is a serious activity not a musical concert.

southpole:
worshipping God is a serious activity not a musical concert.

Concerts are serious activities.

A man who danced naked was named a man after God's heart.

You still don't get my point.
I'm not disapproving whatever change in the church. All I'm saying is this, our Pastor once condemned these people. If he was wrong then or his judgement was wrong he should let us understand.
It's that simple.
You can't just wake up one day and start doing something you stood against and expect your followers not to ask question.

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most of this musicians are singing for money and not to worship or glorify God..

This remains true. i see the problem of many of you. You are pained to the marrow because of your pride. Most of you are holier than thou so you are angry that others were "approved" by your pastor. Heaven go so shock many of you, you fit vex go hell fire.

subcbouy:
If you can slowly read carefully, he called them rock stars and ask a question if isn't hypocrisy listening to them at home and pretending to not listen to them in church. You can ask him about who is a rock star. STOP JUMPING into a conversation you didn't understand.

Bruva, humble yourself and accept your clear fault. YOU called them "gospel rock stars". Stop blaming others for your own actions, nobody else helped you to type. Here is what you typed yourself. If someone else calls you/others a wrong name, why are you calling the same people by that name?

Isn't it hypocrisy listening to these gospel rock stars at home and pretending to not listen to them in church? Ironically all the songs from all these rock stars are sung by a youth choir, song from guy penrod etc

Rawtruth1:
I was groomed in Deeper life from my teenage to adulthood. I was at Ayobo, Deeper life Bible school and attended many workers meetings from 1985 to 1999.

The truth is that some things are falling apart. I don't know whether it's because of the age of our Daddy in the Lord. But his recent romance with politicians and other worldly minded musicians and individuals is raising alarms in the minds of his children both in Deeper life and other churches.

The protest is apt and valid

The workers meeting that is basically no different from normal church sermons. Had it been it's a meeting where leaders exchange ideas and opinions, maybe all you people see as drastic changes won't be so drastic. A whole lot of "dont's" ought to have been abolished decades ago. What exactly is wrong with you people? If you can't cite a Bible verse that negates what Kumuyi did, then the so called protester and you lots supporting him should have your brains checked. During the last program, I read about a lot of youths who were all elated, who enjoyed the program and confessed they were blessed from it. Y'all are just too myopic in your reasonings, if the basic and foremost purpose of Christ's coming isn't winning souls for the kingdom I wonder what else He came for. Now y'all are yabbing at the gum because that was acheived in a way alien to you. I was born and raised there and I'm glad I was, because it helped shaped me a whole lot but I reasoned outside those man made doctrines, hence when the changes came years later it wasn't a big deal no more. I've left the church years ago but the teachings remained. You people should quit acting and thinking like mediocres and leave the Old man alone, if you can't stand his changes, leave the church. Don't come here, trying to portray him as going off course. Na una no fit walk or exchange greetings with known prostitutes for area because it's unholy, how are you any different from the Scribes and Pharisees? Blo_ody hypocrites!!!

As much I want to agree with you, I won't jump into conclusion.

Karleb:


Many don't like talking about it, but truth is, Kumuyi deceived a lot of people.

There are so many problems with RCCG but one thing I like about the church is that they don't pretend they don't need money, in fact, RCCG love money and they don't hide it. In RCCG, you can't invite a pastor without sliding something into his pocket, we call it honorarium and its the standard.

Baba dey pay Pastors but will not pay gospel artiste, I guess it's safe to say the Deeper Life pastors on payroll don't love God but do it for the money also.


The obvious answer to your question is that these gospel artists were payed for their performance, same as the invited pastors. Some do reject the money tho but it's rare.

Righteousness2:
Brother, as a young man born in Deeper life Bible Church in the Early 80's and Grommed in DLBC until 2004 when I moved to the The Lords Chosen, I must say you have a very Valid Protest!

I Perceive GOD is using you to Pass a Very Strong Message to HIS Church and HIS servant. The ways of GOD ALMIGHTY are not the ways of Men.
The ALMIGHTY HOLY GOD will not change HIS Standard because of a Changing World.

I Pray HIS Servant and one of the Core Holiness Apostles and Generals of this Generation, Pastor WF Kumuyi takes note of this Peaceful Protest.

I really don't understand you people. I wonder why you would leave the word and start serving table.

angelfallz:
You said some thought provoking things.
I tried to put myself in the shoes of the old members that were denied some things, I would feel bad because I know I lost a lot of things and missed out on a lot of things and opportunities due to the church's teachings which are now being changed. I might even be bitter about the changes.

Thanks for understanding my point of view

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Christianity guarantees suffering, all that will live godly must suffer. But if you call not dressing naked or going to night club suffering, well you're in your own world. DL members for a very very long time and percentage of their existence have not been denied the best foods spiritually, abundance of life, joy, good education, music, professions, promotion and the many basic goodies of life. If you feel pained that they miss/missed out by not watching TV, hello i have big TVs almost everywhere, i have not watched one minute of TV this year. i do use it/them for other functions though. Oyedepo was telling young people the other year not to waste their lives on TV, phone and internet. So what exactly was missed. BTW, 360 degree is no turn but same thing, i guess you want to say 180degrees which would be a lie. The Deeper life i know still doesn't "permit" those things you mentioned. God doesn't change but His children including Peter and Paul are being constantly CHANGED into God's image. There are twists and turns when God truly leads you, otherwise it will just be an unchanging straight down.

You've ended up agreeing on suffering. All the best

SIRTee15:
Well I don't know of nails but deeper life churches in western countries really need to modernise or else their youths will leave finish.
Focus should be on discipline and spiritual development. Not all these inconsequential church doctrines.

Inconsequential church doctrines inspired by the holy spirit? Some of una Christians dey always make me dey question the genuineness of Jesus, holy spirit & Christianity

masui:


Yeah, it is. But this generation pastors have been morally compromised. They can't say no to things that are wrong especially when money is involved.

I know you will tell me that Kumuyi is a wealthy man of God in all standards which is true. The bottom line is no man turns down an extra bucks especially one that is coming from a state governor.

Politics money sweet abeg

That's the thing... But if you speak out against all these happenings... People will be quick to call you an agent of the Devil.

It's high time people turn to God alone because if people start to dey look all these pastors ehn.... It won't be nice at all

Even a wacko church like deeper life needs to adapt to new trends or go extinct. Kumuyi is not dumbo as he makes his followers to be. He knows what's required to keep the magas wanting more of the hypnotism.

Prince Dele.. That is not a Deeper Life eye glasses na. Thats a Rick Ross signature.
You sef.... And i believe you watch tv in your house. You & your boss are the same.

daughters13:
The anti-indecency campaigner and deeper life member, Prince Dele Banjo has staged a peaceful protest at the Deeper Life Headquarters at Gbagada, Lagos.

The protest is in connection with the introduction of unconventional music to Deeper Life.

Prince Dele Banjo stated:

"We are surprised about the introduction of unconventional music as well as the invitation of Gospel rock stars to Deeper Life. We are also surprised about the invitation of local Christian musicians that are not advocates of modesty to deeper life.

We are surprised because pastor Kumuyi who is our father in the Lord did not raise us his children with such music. Instead, he raised us with modesty, holiness and the belief that we should worship God with our book of hymns alone using low toned and humble songs.

Pastor Kumuyi was the one that taught us all we know about modesty and holiness, so we are surprised that our teacher is changing direction and he is inviting international Gospel rock stars and local musicians that are not advocates of modesty to come and sing at deeper life.

We strongly believe that as a holiness church, deeper life ought to stick with our choir and our God given hymn book alone. We don't need unnecessary noise from these American gospel rockstars and these local Christian musicians.

Our God given and humble choir at deeper life that consists of those lovely teenagers, keyboardists and trumpeters is enough for us at deeper life.

Since he is our father in the Lord, we hereby request an explanation from him; we want to our dear father in the Lord to defend the invitation of rockstars and local Christian musicians that are not advocates of modesty.

We hold in our hands the book of hymns in order to prove to everyone that all we need in deeper life is our God given book of hymns.


Thank you very much"

Supported! Deeper life is the bastion of holiness.. should remain so. that's their calling and ministry.. however, I think the youths should be allowed to express themselves within acceptable limits.. they must be given some measure of latitude

Notice me Christian. Build yourself in your most holy faith. It not by words of mouth or confession. It's beyond that. Those who we think are indecent sometimes are in the center of God's plan.

southpole:
worshipping God is a serious activity not a musical concert.

Who said music isn't a serious activity? Nothing gets to me in church than good music. If you like preach thunder and brimstone, it doesn't get to me.

IpobAntidote:
All these useless churches disturbing public peace with all sorts or loud noise. I have told people around my properties that if you sell your land or house to any person that converts it into a church and start disturbing me with unnecessary loud music and noise, I have a very simple solution for them. I will buy speakers louder than whatever they have at any cost and blast crazy music back into their compounds until they stop that nonsense.
Call me whatever you want, but no one has the right to disturb others. You can call to prayer or make quick announcement but you cannot continue to play loud music and bands for hours especially at odd hours. nothing but noise pollution.

Coward.
Why i don't support this crazy pharisee Deeper life protester(Him go tell me whether Jesus Christ sang Deeper life hymns before HE ascended). My problem with you is if you will be man enough to blast speakers at a mosque and not just churches because most of una cowards na only Church una dey get mouth talk.

This is a clear case of elevating doctrines above God's word and spirituality. I'm sorry to say this,many people lost at deeper life

Timidangote:
You still don't get my point.
I'm not disapproving whatever change in the church. All I'm saying is this, our Pastor once condemned these people. If he was wrong then or his judgement was wrong he should let us understand.
It's that simple.
You can't just wake up one day and start doing something you stood against and expect your followers not to ask question.

Pastor Kumuyi condemned these people. These are very weighty allegations. Kindly refer me to proof where he did so. Define condemn and name the list of people condemned, then we can continue from there.

i really do not see what he stood against that he is doing, maybe you can enlighten me or maybe you do not know your church history. Inviting non-deeper life people to programmes is not a new thing. i don't know, maybe not common, but definitely they do it especially for crusade or special programmes like campus or youth programmes. i remember as far back as 1985, a popular Nigerian actor/comedian was invited, no be today i sabi deeper Maybe you just know about your village parish in Lagos, but those places that pastor Kumuyi used to go about for crusade, they do many things during publicity and the programmes themselves which are not usually done in normal deeper life services. Same thing applies to campus and corp members programmes.
i mean there should be some really really weighty stuff you guys are accusing your pastor of, not all these childs play that is even nauseating, calling others unbelievers because they don't do things deeper life way.

This is why being atheist sometimes helps

Righteousness2:
Brother, as a young man born in Deeper life Bible Church in the Early 80's and Grommed in DLBC until 2004 when I moved to the The Lords Chosen, I must say you have a very Valid Protest!

I Perceive GOD is using you to Pass a Very Strong Message to HIS Church and HIS servant. The ways of GOD ALMIGHTY are not the ways of Men.
The ALMIGHTY HOLY GOD will not change HIS Standard because of a Changing World.

I Pray HIS Servant and one of the Core Holiness Apostles and Generals of this Generation, Pastor WF Kumuyi takes note of this Peaceful Protest.

So, you mean that other churches are worldly because they don't do only solemn songs from hymn books?

Lighthouse50:
I was shocked too to see Nathaniel bassey in their crusade handbill and was over shocked when kumuyi addressed him as evangelist bassey on the crusage ground when hymns could have been sung by the glorious choir of the church. Nathaniel bassey is not a member. Why rate him above church choir? I see publicity sake

Is Nathaniel Bassey's gospel song bad? Have you heard any bad report about him. What makes you think he is not good enough to sing in any Deeper Life program..? Are you the righteous judge?

Mrklemo:
Prince Dele.. That is not a Deeper Life eye glasses na. Thats a Rick Ross signature.
You sef.... And i believe you watch tv in your house. You & your boss are the same.

You sef see am? And he is calling himself "prince", worldly title. The deeper life he wants don't care for things like tagging oneself with earthly prince names. Fake sensual man.

If you're not okay with that you can as well mooovvveeee , pretenders every.