t2luv1:



The man said don't record him That should have been the end of the discussion. The first amendment right to freedom of speech can never trump the man Forth amendment right. The man should have called the police and had the guy making the video arrested. Just because you are in America does not mean you go about disturbing others exercising their right to pursue happiness. By the way, God knows I hate those Nigerian politicians.

SisterFire:
Now sensible Nigerians are speaking up not some fools up there .
He would have been burnt on sight if it's my world. Fools here don't know cleaning a brown poo old perverted american is one of the jobs of diaspora Nigerians . That guy would av killed that bleeped up politician.

SisterFire:
...Damn it ,sue your ass Harvey , in my world that aregbesola man would have been burnt to ashes but in ur cursed black world u still side him. You are wicked yes
We live in diaspora because of this wicked souls eating our nature given wealth , we suffer bitten cold , humiliation for peanuts and total shame ,we hid our faces in a whiteman land with resources ,when in Nigeria we have it bountifully.
Is paining my heart that man didn't slap rotten teeths outta his maggotted teeth

plaindealer:
Another crude, toxic and mannerless ipob embarrassing Nigeria.

Look and the uncultured nuisance shouting this is America as if being in America means you have to be a nuisance, violate people's privacy or break the law.

This is why you can take crude people away from the village, but you can not take the village from them.

Barbaric Animals and anti social beasts..

lovinagbad:

Even people record police in America. Which police is he going to call. America is a free country. If it's Nigeria will Aregbeaola security allow anyone get closer to him. He can't even order food, he will rather sent a limo to bring the food

TolaniLuv:


If you watched the video well! U will notice the guy spoke Yoruba not Igbo

MetaPhysical:


In states like California it is simply illegal to record video/audio without first warning the target that they are being recorded. This was put in place to restrict paparazzi madness. On the marketing side, it also protected consumers against debt collectors.

I dont know what state Aregbe was in but it doesn't matter, fhat recorder was wrong.

Umedia:
[VIDEO] "You Can Not Record Me" Buhari’s Minister, Aregbesola Spotted "Fighting" In America


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEDgI1pTXMw


Lalasticlala
Mynd44

MetaPhysical:


It is open to paying hosts, not to public.

Please do not confuse American definition of public with general use term of what public space is.

In America if you are on the sidewalk you are on public property, if you step one foot onto the grass in front of a private property you are on private grounds.

Restaurant is open to public but the space within is private. So is a private hospital, so is bank or mall.

Learn.

aribisala0:
Sir you need to learn

Your assertions are just wrong.
First there is no "AMERICAN" definition of public space this is a state jurisdiction issue.
A restaurant to which the public have access i.e During its OPENING HOURS is a public space
IN NEW YORK LAW e.g
Public place” means a place to which the public or a substantial group of persons has access, and includes, but is not limited to, highways, transportation facilities, schools, places of amusement, parks, playgrounds, community......................etc
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The fundamental issue determining whether a space is public is ACCESS

Accessibility is what makes a place public. NOT OWNERSHIP. e.g a restaurant is private property but in law during its opening hours it is a public place. It is crucial to note the concept of MATERIAL TIME . During its opening hours is the material time as far as a restaurant is concerned

If I have a party in my house with 100 people it is private property but as long as they are there it is a public place.

Do not assume that your belief are reality ,cross check

MetaPhysical:


Practically you can take picture of anyone anywhere. In public space a consent is not needed.

The space inside of a restaurant is a private space and you need consent to record a guest in there. But if you start a recording without first obtaining consent and the target says "stop", if you don't you have violated them.

There are many privacy rights that overlap in America. Since this incident occurred in a restaurant I will use it to highlight the rights of a paying guest.

Picture it the same way you will use a license on a computer in a public library. They warn you not to copy or distribute without consent...but we all copy and distribute anyway, and nothing happens. Correct? How many times have you obtained permission from Microsoft before you share an excel file or a word document composed in a library? A licensing company can choose to prosecute for copying and distributing their material without consent, but they don't because it is not cost effective. That does not mean we have rights to do whatever we want because the computer is in a public library.

A restaurant can claim rights to proprietary ownerships like for instance, recipe. What this means is that they offer a cuisine for people that desire it in exchange for a price. That's what I meant by paying guest. If you are not there to sit down and enjoy the cuisine, what is your business inconveniencing those that are guests? What is that guy doing there? This is nuisance, trespass together.

It is important to know that Aregbe invited him, he turned the invitation down. At that point he had no business recording a guest. If he had accepted the invitation to sit he could use the argument that he was in there on invitation.

Aregbe can press charges and the restaurant can sue him.

BluntCrazeMan:
If the owner of the Restaurant places a notice that reads “No Cameras Allowed”,, then even if it is a public place, nobody should use cameras within the restaurant.

BluntCrazeMan:
If the owner of the Restaurant places a notice that reads “No Cameras Allowed”,, then even if it is a public place, nobody should use cameras within the restaurant.

BluntCrazeMan:
When something is happening in the public, then it can be recorded by anybody.
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But once the person that is being recorded says that he doesn't want to be recorded, then, the person that continues to record him cannot claim right if the person being recorded makes moves to stop the recording by himself.
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So, we should always be careful when we record events.
Once the person says it out that he doesn't want to be recorded, then, whatever he does that time in an effort to stop the recording cannot be counted against him, so far he didn't cause bodily harm to you who continued recording.
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Thus if you are recording some events that are happening publicly, you still have to make sure that none of the people you were recording told you to stop recording them..

MikoB:


America law permits you to record and film someone provocatively?

Mikeiron78:


This happened in the USA, not in Nigeria, so, stop being a judge, the reality is, at a public place in America, you can record anyone, there is no Nigerian police here. Have you ever thought about the Paparazzi and how celebrities run away, why can't they sue everyone out of being harassed, that is one of the negative side of being a public figure.

Mikeiron78:


Why would a restaurant owner place no camera allowed at a restaurant, if there's nothing illegal going on there?

bekpo:



There r charges 2 press my brother.
The fellow has d right 2 record but at d moment Aregbesola said NO don't record me, he must stop. U don't commit crime in public n claim because it's public u ain't liable. Sex is sweet but once ur grl frn or wife said NO to it, u must stop. It's rape if u do so against her will. Because it's in d public, u approached a lady indecently and u feel it isn't a crime and u have every right to approach her? We should rather think from our head and not ass.

BluntCrazeMan:
Ronaldo Knocked down somebody's phone.. and that was that.
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Just recently, Nicki Minaj shoved someone who was trying to capture her on her phone camera

Goke7:
Even if it's a public place since aregbesola declined recording, the guy should have respected his privacy, quoting American law is baseless, the guy is a coward. He can't try that with a white guy who decline to be recorded. Na gun go follow

SisterFire:
...Damn it ,sue your ass Harvey , in my world that aregbesola man would have been burnt to ashes but in ur cursed black world u still side him. You are wicked yes
We live in diaspora because of this wicked souls eating our nature given wealth , we suffer bitten cold , humiliation for peanuts and total shame ,we hid our faces in a whiteman land with resources ,when in Nigeria we have it bountifully.
Is paining my heart that man didn't slap rotten teeths outta his maggotted teeth

aribisala0:

More Twaddle

The space inside a restaurant is NOT PRIVATE if the public have access to it.

Access not ownership is what makes a place public.
A public order offence can be recorded against a person in any space to which the public have access
Even your house is a public space if you are having a large party there with what the law calls "a substantial number of people" present
Even if you invited them and they are there at your pleasure . As long as the party is going on it is a public space
The corollary is also true a publicly owned place e.g. government building may not be accessible to the public and therefore not a public space

MetaPhysical:


Wrong.

Take this test...

Your car is parked in the lot of the restaurant with other cars, it has been there for 7days. Is it private or public space? Can police consider it an abandoned vehicle and tow it?

aribisala0:
Do you have a source for this claim ? A citation of the law?
I simply do not believe you sir
Video and audio recordings are entirely different things so do not lump them together.
Here we are actually talking about video recording and I do not believe there is any such law anywhere in the US

aribisala0:
No need for silly tests just facts .The law as it is
The issue is not one that calls for village parables but THE LAW

Is there a Statutory definition of a public space ? Yes or no? What is that definition.? Simple

The answer is that ; YES there is a statutory definition of a Public Place as one to which the public have access.

If you want to debate let FACTS be the basis not parables and proverbs

MetaPhysical:


I think I remember in an old thread saying I would stop responding to you in Nairaland. You do not apply critical thinking in your responses.

You are often easily distracted by technicalities and you wander off in a different branch altogether.

Whether I say video/audio or I say electronic recording devices or even use camera and microphone recording, to a reasonable person the communication is clear. But to you, it must be clarified if its wireless or wired device. You want to know if it was hand held or on tripod. Was it sony or panasonic.

This is not a forensic class abeg.