BetaThings:

What is barely out of diapers? anyone less than 18? In Sweden, the age of consent is 15. So are they out of diapers?   My problem is that we have on account of innovation leadership concede all reasoning to the west. Th eother day, it was somebody saying that Jonathan and Sambo should be wearing suits. What part of our culture are we not going to jettison
Our suicide rates are lower in part because of certain cultural practices eg extended family. Can we cope with higher suicide rates
If we copy all the time, those people will never respect us
Rapid? It is either ok or not. If it is ok, why the delay? Of course, it is really disgusting

claremont: Marriageable age is subjective, and varies depending on a lot of factors one of which could be religion. Therefore, the opinion of the Muslims cannot be said to be wrong, because they are measuring the marriageable age of a girl on the basis of the provisions of their religion which is entirely appropriate.

maasoap:

I haven't seen anyone attacked the vatican city for its average age of 12 yrs but always ready to attack anything that has Islamic origin and that's why this society can never be the same again.

Vatican State

The Vatican does not have its own separate criminal code. Instead, in matters of criminal law, as per Article 3 of the "Law of the Source of Law" (one of the six fundamental laws adopted upon ratification of the Lateran Treaty in 1929) the Vatican State generally uses current Italian national law, as well as regional and municipal laws for Rome, as long as they do not conflict with ecclesiastical law or laws specifically promulgated by Pope for the Vatican.[46] As a result, the age of consent is the same as that of Italy. Before January 1, 2009, the adoption by the Vatican of changes made by Italy in its laws was automatic. After this date, the Vatican adoption of changes in Italian law is no longer automatic but comes into effect only after a review.[47] However, as Italy adopted its present age of consent before January 1, 2009, this change in Vatican policy does not affect the age of consent in Vatican City, which remains the same as that of Italy.
The claim is sometimes made that "In the Vatican State, there is an equal age of consent set at 12 years of age",[48] but this is incorrect. In 1929, when the Lateran Treaty was signed, the age of consent in Italy was 12,[49], and this was indeed adopted by the Vatican. However, as stated above, the rise in the Italian age of consent applied automatically to the Vatican City.

Religious laws were largely codifications of way of life when they were written. A lot of those codes are eternal (and the world will do well to return to these), but correspondingly a lot of those laws are outdated and needs to be done away with.

zikclassiq:

Na wa o! That is taking advantage of young girls without taking into consideration their long time health effect.
I luv my girl who is 19, i'm 24. But i would wait till she's atleast 22 wen she has finished uni. I wont do anything to hurt MY BABY!

sweet_gala:

"Ibrahim insisted that for any provision of the ACT that contravenes the principles of Islamic, the controversy would be resolved in favour of Islamic law.”



When did we start making changes to the federal law based on the notion that Islam has to be favoured, this man should concentrate on stopping child molestation and perversity but he would rather legalize a moral crime, but he must know that God is no man to be deceived.

Some of us in here have come to display the mental poverty and moral absence that is destroying our said loved nation, when apparently sane individuals make a rather bigoted connection between homosexuality and the abuse of children without any positive conclusion I cry for the country.  The rampant homophobia that grips Africa and third world countries is dangerous , how can you grant civil liberties without the freedom of association by choice , man-lover people by nature of the equality of man before God must be allowed to live without fear of persecution in a free world. Forgive my digression from topic

Now to the issue of child abuse , we are in a progressing world but some one some where thinks it is morally just to take a child who is yet to receive the right of choice , not experienced the storm before the calm, the joy and burden of friendship and the trials and tribulations of life and force her future unto servitude of some aboki without, when said aboki dies what is to be her fate? .
These are the traits of corrupt men with a goal to maximize self gain and influence society to concede to their evil countenance, western countries can have an age of consent relatively low because the moral strength of those societies check such barbaric behaviors , did anyone see the witch hunt of all the MP in the UK over claiming scandal last year, such would not even garner public interest Herr in naija, we are so used to abuse of regulations its has become acceptable.

A law is required because several alhajis , and ravenous individuals a waiting to abuse with vengeance such a reduction in age. Northern elites need to stop focusing on religion and using it as a card when they need to force the hand of the FG and the country.

Jakumo:

The above described law is essentially what the United States legislature applies and rigidly enforces for her citizens.  The state of Utah's mormon polygamists who flout both monogamy and Age of Consent laws are investigated, arrested, tried and summarily jailed for bigamy and/or child molestation, as appplicable. 

US prisons and penitentiaries are in fact chock-full of adults who crossed the "jail-bait" line of 18 years old, in search of zexual healing, only to earn a swift trial and sentencing.   

Nigeria need not emulate ALL laws implemented in the free West, but any legislation that protects under-18 year old CHILDREN from molestation by over-18 adults is a damned good example to follow.

eldee:

It is silly to change the marriage age, in the countries listed above . . . the marriage age is a reflection of the individual age of adulthood in the countries.
In Nigeria, a 15 year old is still a kid, the average school leaving age is 18, at least according to the 6-3-3-4 system. . .why will it make sense to allow them to get married now?

Negro_Ntns:

To the people that say 18 is age of maturity, what is your view on a 16yr old whose body and desire is ripe and yearning for serxval contact?  Are you saying you know  better than her natural instinct?

I think the matter need to be a family decision and the government need to meddle in it with regulations.

What needs to be regulated is corrupt politicians and man-lover and lady-loving-lady acts and almajiri.

A 25yr old man-lover and lady-loving-lady is more destructive and worse off for the collective community than a 15yr old engaged in consntual heteroserxval inter-course.

To those who use America as gold standard for what age is maturity, let me remind that in heartland of America there are communities - Amish and FDLS- where 13yr olds are married and in fact polygamy is practiced and the statutory family laws of America are inapplicable.

Let us not regulate but leave this matter in tthe hands of familly and parents to manage as they deem fit.  

dayokanu:

Are you saying a 13yr old Spanish girl is an adult or a 14yr old Italian girl is an adult?

And why are we making this a religion issue when Italy and Spain are about 90% christian population.

@Kobojunkie,

If you try to absolve the Vatican age of 12, That they follow the Italian age, Can I ask that is the age of 14 that italy adopt is it ok for girls?

What needs to be regulated is corrupt politicians and man-lover and lady-loving-lady acts and almajiri.

A 25yr old man-lover and lady-loving-lady is more destructive and worse off for the collective community than a 15yr old engaged in consntual heteroserxval inter-course.

0lumide:

Why is that the day Islam entered Nigeria, Ignorance and backwardness got their visas approved at the northern port of entry to Nigeria??

FREEDOM FREEDOM TO HELL WITH ISLAM
That the Templar knights are ignorant doesn't mean we have to be too, Everybody should be free bothe to make life changing decisions and also have choices with no attached benefits or detriment. The benefits and detriments should come naturally with the choices,

Get it to wrap around your heads

Negro_Ntns:

Olumide,

Somehow you pepper your responses to my posts in ways to suggest you hate my faith.

I have told you repeatedly and in many ways that my worship and religion is an internal one. Outwardly I see people, I don't see religion. There are bad and good christians just as there are bad and good moslems. Its not the religion but the people.

Your outward view differs from mine and you believe christians are good and moslems are bad. You are entitled to your view. So far I have restrained myself from attacking you on a personal level, its out of respect. I believe you should continue to enjoy my respecct. Howevver, I intend this to be the last such goodwill to you. Any further attack of my view will be reciprocated.

Discuss objectively with me not with religious bias. If you want to engage me in religious discoursse I alreaddy gave an open invitation and you turned it down.

So do me a favor, I don't want any more of your narrow view on my faith and how I express it. Allright?

dayokanu:

WHy should you in any way relate this to Islam and absolve Christianity of it even in the face of glaring evidence

Negro_Ntns:

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May I ask you how to you intend to  regulate the choice in a democratic state or the freedom of man before God.
While I am strongly against same sex union or public display of affection ,
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I am glad you used the word "democratic", which means a system of governance that empowers the voice and choice of the people.

There are certain behaviors and relationships in the society which are not popular for the mainstream to adopt but ought to be vigorously reviewed in view of their benefits and efect on the collective community.

Democracy does not forbid religious morals. Neither does it advocate it. It leaves open for the people to steer their community in the way they desire, for or against religious practice or lack of. As long as majority agree to it then the voice of the community has spoken and democracy is practiced.

The question is in a multi-cultural society with diverse and inharmonious principles, who is majority? 

Is majority the few ruling class above the voices of the multitude they label minority; or should we say majority is a head count of any monolithic stance and integral presence?

In apartheid South Africa, majority was the ruling class which was far outnumbered by the voices of their victims.

In Jim Crow America, and prior to the civil rights act of 1964, the majority is white which is few when compared with the non-white.

The laws in American statutes have their roots in the desire of the ruling class to create a distinct physical and psychological barrier against the black people and stunt their expression and aspirations in competition for parity with the white man.

So when talking of democracy in a Nigerian context, we need to know who is majority and who is minority in a homoserxval discussion? It maybe about liberty for America to have homos and laws that protect homos but for us its not about liberty, the majority in our society desire to keep our moral codes and that rules does not have room for homo practices.

We should not confuse homo as a indicator for civilization, instead as a precursor for imminent damnatioin.

This is why I said for the collective (majority), a 16yr old in hetero is a far more adoptable way, and natural for it, than a consenting adults in an unnatural act of homo.

claremont on Today at 10:24:03 AM:

Marriageable age is subjective, and varies depending on a lot of factors one of which could be religion. Therefore, the opinion of the Muslims cannot be said to be wrong, because they are measuring the marriageable age of a girl on the basis of the provisions of their religion which is entirely appropriate.

obiagu1 on Today at 05:54:41 AM:

Of course I did, you said "are still married off by their parents, siblings, , " but I was talking about age of consent.

Anyway, I'm not interested in the age Muslims marry. That's not my business.

My concern is age of consent, which I think should be as low as 13, and the increase in homosexuality.
My first post was a response to Dayo's post on age of consent of several countries.