ekt_bear:

Beaf probably isn't a bad chap overall. The problem is that for whatever reason, he seems to view the ACN and SW zone as his enemy.

Why that is, I have no clue. . . the likelihood of Beaf's chosen faction of the PDP wrestling power away from the Northern faction without at least neutrality from the ACN and SW is pretty much nil.
Much of your post I agree with. This in particular I think is 100% correct. More specifically, Delta State seems to me a microcosm of Nigeria. At least from what I hear about it.

Demdem:

^^^^^^^^

BEAF, HAS DELTA STATE GONE TO THE DOGS?[b][/b]

Beaf:

I have absolutely nothing against the SW, but I view ACN as a pack of wolves, criminals and pretenders. nigeria cannot change with that bunch anywhere near power. . . and Nigeria MUST change.

Gbawe:

Ask the above 1000 times and you will get ignored a 1000 times. Beaf cannot answer because Uduaghan is a worthless reprobate even the most comical village  will refrain from defending . If Beaf concedes Delta has indeed gone to the dogs , under a Governor who is a waste of space, then his fake [/b]Nairalander persona is discredited for good because he would then have to face questions as per how he can ignore his patriotic responsibilties towards his own [b]very needy State (Delta) only to keep his gaze on a state (Osun) where citizens are 100% behind their leaders and optimistic about the future.

Demdem:

then i dont expect him to still remain on this thread talking jargons. He needs to disappear immediately and cover his face with shame.

demdem:

ekt_bear:
Beaf probably isn't a bad chap overall. The problem is that for whatever reason, he seems to view the ACN and SW zone as his enemy.

Why that is, I have no clue. . . the likelihood of Beaf's chosen faction of the PDP wrestling power away from the Northern faction without at least neutrality from the ACN and SW is pretty much nil.
Much of your post I agree with. This in particular I think is 100% correct. More specifically, [size=14pt]Delta State seems to me a microcosm of Nigeria[/size]. At least from what I hear about it.

i dont think BEAF see it that way. stand to be corrected though

BEAF, HAS DELTA STATE GONE TO THE DOGS?

Beaf:

For showing you up to be a fool? Check out your very own stellar contadictions:

knowing fully well what your generations before and after is/will be as stated by seanet02 , im not moved that this came from u.

i dont think BEAF see it that way. stand to be corrected though

In other words, you believe Delta State to be a microcosm of Nigeria, yet you still ask the daft question:

ODE buruku, that is my opinion? i will want to know urs. you have never told us your opinion about the mess going on in DELTA

Perhaps, Delta state made your Aregbesola daft and irresponsible too?

my Aregbesola do i know him? does he know me? am i related to him? idiotic talk.

ekt_bear:

Beaf probably isn't a bad chap overall. The problem is that for whatever reason, he seems to view the ACN and SW zone as his enemy.

Why that is, I have no clue. . . the likelihood of Beaf's chosen faction of the PDP wrestling power away from the Northern faction without at least neutrality from the ACN and SW is pretty much nil.
Much of your post I agree with. This in particular I think is 100% correct. More specifically, Delta State seems to me a microcosm of Nigeria. At least from what I hear about it.

but I view ACN as a pack of wolves, criminals and pretenders. nigeria cannot change with that bunch anywhere near power. . . and Nigeria MUST change.

ekt_bear:

ACN is by no means perfect. But at least for us in Ekiti State, it is better than the alternatives. The governor of our state actually seems to know what he is doing, unlike the guys we had in the past.

I understand that you don't like Tinubu. But the ACN also has Fashola and Fayemi (among other good folks.) The good outweighs the bad, I think.

Imo if you dislike the ACN, you should push your party to trot out better candidates. A negative campaign (one of calumny like you are doing) is unlikely to be as effective as a positive one.

Gbawe:

Sorry bruv, even as you make sense most times , this is a highly ridiculous statement. Beaf wrote :
Common Ekt Bear, tell me you are not this naive?  Can any sane person , other than a total bigot, posit the ACN must not be near power (despite two of their Governors , i.e Oshiomhole and Fashola , now praised as the best in Nigeria) while the same person fervently and feverishly supports the same Party (the PDP) that has destroyed Nigerian over 11 years merely because his kinsman is now in the saddle? Beaf is a 'jeun jeun' clown who does not live by enduring principles !!

You yourself knows what obtains in the West . If Nigeria was full of politically sophisticated folks , capable of using logical reasoning to make informed decisions, then you and Beaf should tell me , as per ratio quotient of performers supplied in relation to overall offices held, if it will not be the ACN that will be in Aso Rock right now. Who has provided better representation for the people than the ACN if we look at the ratio of offices held juxtaposed with performance?

We should not ridicule the expensive educations our Parents paid for. Logic may stand on its head in Nigeria but the exposed amongst us know that Beaf has no leg at all to stand on when he seeks to discredit the Party that post , undoubtedly, the best statistics of efficacy as per ratio representation of administrative performance in Nigeria . If Beaf can postulate that the ACN should not be near power then he is saying that the PDP is only fit for the nearest gas chamber . Such a person is not someone you can claim "probably isn't a bad chap overall."

Beaf:

Get someone who can make them, or an expert to take a look. It shouldn't cost you too much to begin creating them.
You might want to wait for the manual yam harvester though, that will be dead easy for you to commercialise and improve your community.

The website is about empowering people with technology at the grassroots. We want all africans to begin getting their hands dirty, developing and making money for themselves and their communities at the same time.

ekt_bear:

Beaf probably isn't a bad chap overall. The problem is that for whatever reason, he seems to view the ACN and SW zone as his enemy.

Why that is, I have no clue. . . the likelihood of Beaf's chosen faction of the PDP wrestling power away from the Northern faction without at least neutrality from the ACN and SW is pretty much nil.
Much of your post I agree with. This in particular I think is 100% correct. More specifically, Delta State seems to me a microcosm of Nigeria. At least from what I hear about it.

Demdem:

Honestly, THE BEAF is a disease and highly contagious. he should be expunged with immediate alarcrity from this forum before sane chaps gets contaminated.

HAS DELTA STATE GONE TO THE DOGS BEAF?

Beaf:

^
The only above average governor in ACN is Fashola. Those like Aregbesola are no more than clowns and the very same sort of primitive Nigerian that has kept the place underdeveloped. No amount of whitewashing can change visible facts, you're only fooling yourself as usual.

Nobody would distrust or deslike ACN if their utterances weren't so ethnically centred. The issues that Nigeria faces are common to all of us, yet we see in ACN, a party that would sell to the highest bidder all of the time, while singing an ethnic tune. Its just wrong and really stinks to high heavens.

As for choosing better people in the PDP, well all parties produce the good, the bad and the ugly. Afterall, Aregbesola is in ACN just like Fashola is, yet they couldn't be more opposite. Its the same as Ibori was in the very same PDP that has produced Sullivan Chime, Sule Lamido etc. No party should be centred around ethnicity or they will suffer the fate of ACN and be seen as a regional party that hosts a lot of bigots.

See, the ND is suffering, and while I do not like GEJ at all (I believe the ND could have chosen a better man) the power to decide lies in the hands of a few looters and thieves in this country (IBB, OBJ and co comes to mind) I think there is a feeling in town that GEJ can break away from the influence of these folks and their military-civilian cabal ( I have reason to believe that some younger aides of GEJ mostly from the ND support this notion and partnered with GEJ to actualize the Agenda. But I think they are underestimating the power of the "owners of Nigeria"

Beaf:

The truth is what is contagious, not me. You have simply been made to look the fool that you are playing.

ekt_bear:

What ethnicity is the ACN centered around? Out of curiosity?

And if your answer is Yoruba. . . then how the hell are they winning elections outside of Yorubaland?

Are Edo people for example so silly that they'd vote for a Yoruba ethnic nationalist party? What of Anambrarians? The people of Benue nko? (if I had to bet money, Ugbah will win that seat sooner or later in the courts.)

If the ACN is a bigoted party, then they must be using juju to get non-Yoruba to vote for them.

As for me personally, I don't care if the ACN are ethnic bigots or not. For all I know Governor Fayemi is a demon-worshipper. And has a status of Hitler in his home. I don't care. . . so long as he governs well.

Beaf:

^
The only progress in your direction was correctly labelling you as a fool. Lol!

Beaf:

^
The only progress in your direction was correctly labelling you as a fool. Lol!

There is nothing standing today that can't come crashing down, bro.
We have already seen IBB's wings clipped in a few short weeks, so he gone around ranting like a madman. We saw obj make an angry speech abroad. Why do you think these things are happening?

Dude, the generals are losing power and the evidence is everywhere. Nigeria is being siezed from the clutches of vultures, vampires and their hoards of bats. As long as GEJ is in power, nobody can stop us setting our foot on the path of development.

Beaf:

How many elections are they winning outside the SW and Edo? Maybe four or five? Compare that with Labour and DPP (ANPP and APGA to an extent) which are much smaller parties.

ekt_bear:

Oh, regarding your comment of "The only above average governor in ACN is Fashola". . . hehe. All I can say is that you don't follow Ekiti State politics at all like I do.

If the ACN keeps delivering rockstars like Fayemi, then I don't see how they will ever lose the state. And dude has been in office for what, 9 months?

Dude gets it. And I'm not even handicapping for the Nigerian setting, I mean for a global one. This is something that I can say for only a few politicians in Nigeria, at any level.

And I say this as a man from what was once a virulently PDP town (and still has those elements there.)

Beaf:

Maybe Fayemi is going to be good. He just has not yet made his mark like Fashola, more than that, it does not dilute the perception of ACN as an ethnically centred party out to benefit a core. After the blood shed in the ND, no such party will ever make inroads there; its a life or death thing.
I also do not see ACN being able to overcome their ethnic slant to expand beyond the SW. After Oshiomole's term ends, Edo will be up for grabs by every party in the country.

ekt_bear:

First of all, when did Edo become Yorubaland? How are you able to throw away the success of the ACN so quickly in that state?

Second, you bring up APGA that will not even retain Anambra when Peter Obi's tenure ends? APGA that got its teeth kicking in by ACN in its own backyard? APGA, where it looks like they may already even be regretting Okorocha?

DPP, the Urhobo party that cannot even win in Delta? Labour, that is only in SW?

These are the mushroom parties you want to compare ACN to?  

Your hatred has blinded you too much, man.

Anyway, count up the # of elected offices that ACN has outside of SW and Edo, since you seem to think that Edo is Yorubaland for some reason. If ACN doesn't have more than Labour and APGA, I'll eat my hat.

ekt_bear:

First of all, when did Edo become Yorubaland? How are you able to throw away the success of the ACN so quickly in that state?

Second, you bring up APGA that will not even retain Anambra when Peter Obi's tenure ends? APGA that got its teeth kicking in by ACN in its own backyard? APGA, where it looks like they may already even be regretting Okorocha?

DPP, the Urhobo party that cannot even win in Delta? Labour, that is only in SW?

These are the mushroom parties you want to compare ACN to?  

Your hatred has blinded you too much, man.

Anyway, count up the # of elected offices that ACN has outside of SW and Edo, since you seem to think that Edo is Yorubaland for some reason. If ACN doesn't have more than Labour and APGA, I'll eat my hat.

ekt_bear:

I don't expect the ACN to ever be the part of choice for Igbos and Hausa.

But there will be a time when it also the party of the minority groups of the middle belt, at least.

Depending on what happens with their judicial challenges, it may be the party of two states in that zone (Kwara and Benue) in as little as the next few years.

I wonder if they will still call the ACN an ethnic party when it becomes the preferred choice of some of the minority groups in this country.

Anyway, I apologize to you all for derailing this into a discussion about the ACN. That is not the topic of this thread.

Beaf:

There is nothing standing today that can't come crashing down, bro.
We have already seen IBB's wings clipped in a few short weeks, so he gone around ranting like a madman. We saw obj make an angry speech abroad. Why do you think these things are happening?

Dude, the generals are losing power and the evidence is everywhere. Nigeria is being siezed from the clutches of vultures, vampires and their hoards of bats. As long as GEJ is in power, nobody can stop us setting our foot on the path of development.

Gbawe:

Is that not what I have being telling you all along? [size=14pt]Aregbesola may not have been spectacular so far [/size] but neither has he f.u.cked up badly yet considering his 9 months in charge when Oyinlola and the PDP destroyed Osun over almost 8 years in charge. The crux of the matter is that Aregbesola has time to deliver and his efforts recently indicate that he is indeed primed to deliver. Can any one , for the sake of balance and giving the benefit of the doubt to Beaf , ever recall the fool vociferously cursing the failed 7 years+ government of Oyinlola as he now does to Aregbesola's 9 months old regime?

The fact is that all ACN Governors are miles ahead of those they replaced in terms of decency and pro-people policy making, developmental ideas and leadership orientation. None of the ACN governors , in testimony to how they see themselves as servants of the peoople, go around with loud convoys yet a former PDP Governor (Alao Akala) is disturbing the peace and bullying folks with his sirens and motorcade . The PDP and their apologists , like Beaf, should take a hike. They have had their time . They messed up badly. Only sad cases like Beaf can hold brief for those who failed over so many years and after being given so much chances and resources to make a difference.

ekt_bear:

First of all, when did Edo become Yorubaland? How are you able to throw away the success of the ACN so quickly in that state?

Second, you bring up APGA that will not even retain Anambra when Peter Obi's tenure ends? APGA that got its teeth kicking in by ACN in its own backyard? APGA, where it looks like they may already even be regretting Okorocha?

DPP, the Urhobo party that cannot even win in Delta? Labour, that is only in SW?

These are the mushroom parties you want to compare ACN to?  

Your hatred has blinded you too much, man.

Anyway, count up the # of elected offices that ACN has outside of SW and Edo, since you seem to think that Edo is Yorubaland for some reason. If ACN doesn't have more than Labour and APGA, I'll eat my hat.

Beaf:

Lol, dude. That is the real topic, some folk just can't grasp that I truly deslike crabs like Aregbesola, just I desliked[b] Ibori[/b]; so they go about opening threads to slam Delta state out of their bigoted perspective on life.

As for ACN being the party of minorities, as long as the current PDP project remains on course, that will not even remotely happen. PDP is no man's land, same can't be said of ACN.