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| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by TenQ: 7:22am On Apr 24, 2023 |
AntiChristian:. AntiChristian:Let me give you some copy-paste for you to respond to.  Contradictions in the Qur’an by Matt Slick | Dec 12, 2008 | Islam, World Religions The Qur’an states that it is a perfect book preserved on tablets in heaven (Surah 85:21-22). If the Qur’an is a perfect book from Allah, then there shouldn’t be any contradictions in it. Of course, the Muslims will deny that any contradictions exist in the Qur’an, but they do. Some of the contradictions below could be debated, but some of them are clearly contradictions. A contradiction occurs when one statement on a subject excludes the possibility of another. The first one here is a good example. In Surah 19:67, it states that man was created out of nothing. In 15:26, man is created from clay. Since clay is something, we have a contradiction since “nothing” excludes the possibility of “clay.” Both cannot be true. All quotes from the Qur’an, unless otherwise specified, are from Yusuf Ali and can be found at the Qur’an online. What was man created from: blood, clay, dust, or nothing? “Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,” (96:2). “We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26). “The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was,” (3:59). “But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?” (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35). “He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4). Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur’an? “Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things,” (2:256). “And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage, – that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith,” (9:3). “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful,” (9:5). Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued,” (9:29). The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses? “And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam,” (39:12). “When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: “O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee.” Allah said: “By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me.” When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: “Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe.” (7:143). “And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; “Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam,” (2:132). Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods? Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed,” (4:48). Also 4:116 The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: “Show us Allah in public,” but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority,” (4:153). Are Allah’s decrees changed or not? “Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers,” (6:34). “The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115). None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?” (2:106). When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, “Thou art but a forger”: but most of them understand not,” (16:101). Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning? “We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: “I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): “Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!” (10:90-92). Moses said, “Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!” So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him,” (17:102-103). Is wine consumption good or bad? O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,–of Satan’s handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper,” (5:90). (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell forever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?” (47:15). Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed,” (83:22-25). I Still have more ! LOL! |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by AntiChristian: 8:46am On Apr 24, 2023 |
TenQ: Are these Bible Gaffes you are called to debunk? I know they read your foreign Jargons any longer! NO MORE COPY AND PASTE! |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by AntiChristian: 9:09am On Apr 24, 2023 |
ANTIlSLAM: jaephoenix You can see these so called Christians lack any substance! |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by TenQ: 9:26am On Apr 24, 2023 |
AntiChristian:Let me give you another set of copy-paste for you to respond to. We are waiting,,! Samples of Quranic Contradictions, Inconsistencies and Errors Special Note: Quranic ayats are taken mostly from translated Quran by Maulana A. Yousuf Ali and Maulana Muhiuddin Khan. Numerical contradictions There are many numerical contradictions in the Quran. Can God make so much error in doing simple calculations? How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth ? Quran 7: 54 Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days Quran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days Quran 11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and Allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated- Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ? Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS… Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and … Now do the math: 2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days Similar mistakes you can see in the verse: Quran 4: 11 - 12, and Quran 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see the total property after adding all distributed parties adds up more than the available property, i.e., totals become more than 1 which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come ? A gross mathematical errors, is not it ? Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years? Quran 22: 47 A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousands years of your rekoning Quran 70: 4 The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is Fifty thousands years. So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years? Creation of the Heaven and Earth Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heaven was created first. Quran 2: 29 It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heaven and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)…. Quran 79: 27 - 30 Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth Now, does it match modern science? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, after that, God created Heaven? Modern science tells us that? Or How come SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing Sky is no “roof” over us. It is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of ROOF over us which is called SKY, is it not so? How funny! Sun-set and Sun-rise Koran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring: Quran 18: 86 Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring… Quran 18: 90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it. Serious scientific errors here! Firstly, it is scientifically accepted fact that, the Sun never go down in a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away”. It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second Journey the place where it rises. A resting place for Sun!? Quran 36: 38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise. Quran 36: 39 And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm leaf. Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit. Allah is indeed a big scientist. Where is sun and where is moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could collide/meet/overtake each other? Are the sun and the moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error: Ancient Allah saw (bare eye observations) sun and moon traveling from east to west seemingly in the same Sky area or same path, without colliding, causing day and night etc. Allah hardly could imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth’s rotation and NOT by Sun’s rotation. Sun is stationary for Earth, because earth is stuck in the sun’s Gravity, like we are stuck in earth’s gravity. Allah never says any where in the whole Quran that, EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel earth’s rotation. A resting place for sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS? Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421 Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, “Abzar do you know after setting where does Sun go?” I replied, I do not know, only Allah’s apostle can say better. Then Prophet (SA) replied, “After setting, the sun remains prostrated under Allah’s Aro’sh and waits for Allah’s command for rising again in the East. Day will come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon Earth”. Can anybody tell me what is it? It was the superstitious belief of ancient people reflected in the Quran and Hadiths by Allah. A 10-year-old boy would not tell such fairy tale story today. Why Allah Created Stars! Quran gives us further scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils: Quran 67: 5 And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans… Quran 37: 6-8 We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side. Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again we find how Allah was high on his superstitious weirdness. Is Sky/Heaven A ROOF or Canopy Over the Earth? Quran 21: 32 And We have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents. Quran 31: 10 He hath created the heavens (Skies) without supports (pillars) that ye can see, and hath cast into the earth firm Mountains/Hills, so that it quake not with you; and He hath dispersed… Quran 2: 22: Who has made the earth your couch, And the heavens (Sky) your canopy Modern science tells us- whole thing around the earth is space and there is no boundary even if we go Billions of light years away in all directions. Questions are: When there is no sky above us then how in the world, it needs pillars for support? Do we really have a roof above us? Is there a canopy above the Earth? Is there anything called above or beneath us? Are mountains there to prevent Earth from shaking? Give me a break! Once again Allah considered sky as roof over the Earth, which will broke/shattered during dooms day Quran 78: 19 And the heavens (sky) Shall be broken (opened) as if there were doors opens… Quran 82: 1 When the Sky is cleft asunder Quran 69: 16 And the sky will be Rent asunder, for it will That day be flimsy (soft) Quran 81: 2 When the stars fall, losing their luster. Yousuf Ali comments in his Tafsir: beautiful blue-sky overhead (which we take for granted in sunshine) will be shattered to pieces. Modern science tells us that there is no such thing as roof/sky or any canopy over the Earth; rather all around Earth is a limitless space. Only Allah knows what will break/shatter or will get soft/flimsy or how doors will open , there is no walls, where from doors will come? In some Ayats Allah threatened kafirs by saying: “I (Allah) will throw broken pieces of sky over your head.” Does Sun Rotate Around the Earth? Quran 31: 29 Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night; That He has subjected the sun and moon (to His law), each running its course for a term (time) appointed. Quran 21: 33 It is He who created The Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them Swim (float) along in its own course. Ayats mentioned above could be found over and over again and again almost in every pages of Quran. Because, Allah standing in the open Arab desert saw very well that, every morning SUN is rising from the East and gradually (appointed time or fixed time) setting to the West, and as a result, day and night follows. Allah truly mentioned this wrong knowledge (sun moving) of pre-historic people. Every time Allah mentioned Sun & Moon, He mentioned day & night, as if it is due to sun’s movement day and night follows. But surprisingly, all the hypocrite Mullahs giving false credit to Allah by saying: look Quran told about sun’s movement 1400 years ago which modern science only found out now. In real world, sun takes 225 millions of years to make just one complete circle through the solar Universe. And obviously this movement of sun has nothing to do with DAY & NIGHT of the earth. Actually, Sun is stationary in relation to the Earth, because the Earth is stuck to the giant gravitation force of the Sun, and the Earth also moves along with the Sun wherever it goes, just the way we are stuck to the Earth’s gravitation force and do not feel its movement at all. Why then, Allah was telling the Sun’s movement again and again. I have already mentioned above, why Allah was hysteric about the Sun’s movements. Now dishonest Mullahs are claiming science here. I wonder, why Allah has to mentioned about the Sun’s 225 millions year journey (which is even unimaginable to mankind) to tell about day and night? What relation Sun’s movement has with the day and night? Does Earth Spread Out Like Carpet (flat)? Quran 15: 19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon Mountains firm and immovable; Quran 78: 6-7 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)? Allah was sure that earth is flat like a carpet and mountains are there to anchor the earth so that earth does not shake with us. Allah is really merciful scientist. Is Man Created From Clotted Blood? Quran-23:14: Then fashioned We the drop (semen) a CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD then fashioned We the Clot a little lump (foetus), fashioned We the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators. ( Bengali translated Quran said: “Zamaa’t Raokto theeke Manoosh banieesi” And this Ayat has been repeated again and again throughout the Quran ) Quran-75:38: Then he becomes a CLOT; then (Allah) shaped and fashioned… Quran 96: 2 Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood There are serious scientific problems here: Blood clot cannot grow into anything. This idea also came from the Greek. Aristotle erroneously believed that, humans are originated from the action of male semen upon female menstrual blood, which is absolutely an incorrect assumption. Quran’s assertion on Clot (alaqa) is completely wrong about human development, since there is absolutely no stage during which the embryo consists of a clot. The only situation in which an embryo might appear like a clot is during a miscarriage, in which case the clotted blood that is seen to emerge (much of which comes from mother) is solidified and by definition no longer alive. Therefore, if ever an embryo appeared to look like a clot it would never develop any further into a human; it would be a dead mass of bloody miscarrying flesh. Since Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had some thirteen wives it is entirely possible that he would be very familiar with miscarriages. Modern science tells us that, the formation of human embryo is a seamless continuation from conception to birth; hence there are no hard- and- fast boundaries of stages as Quran describes. Quran describes 4 stages, which matches exactly with Galenic description of development of human embryo (which was proved wrong by modern science). Creation of bones and clothing of bones with flesh: According to modern embryologists including Prof. Moore, the tissue from which bone originates, known as mesoderm, is the same tissue as that from which muscle (flesh) develops. Thus bone and muscles begin to develop simultaneously, rather than sequentially (as the Quran is telling us). Moreover, most of the muscle tissue that we humans have is laid down before birth, but bones continue to develop and calcify (strengthen with calcium) right into one’s teenage years. So it would be more accurate if the Quran had said that muscles started to develop at the same time as bones, but completed their development earlier. The idea that bones are clothed with flesh is not only scientifically completely wrong/false, but was directly copied from the ancient Greek doctor Galen’s hypothesis. Also, the idea of saying: “made into bones and clothed the bones with muscle” came from the technique of making animal statue out of rod and cement or mud. People usually make the skeleton (out of rod or stick) first and, then cover it up with cement or mud. This is scarcely a scientific description of embryonic development. It is rather a description of an unlettered man. Is Religion Compulsive Or Is It Not? Quran 02: 256 There is no Compulsion in religion…. OR Quran 9: 29 Fight those who do not profess the true faith(Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility. Quran 9: 5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them and take them captive, and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush…. Quran 47: 4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads…. Quran 2: 191 And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the reward of those who suppress faith. Quran 8: 65 O Apostle ! rouse the believers to the fight of….unbelievers. Very often apologetics claim that, Islam is a religion of peace and there is no compulsion. Yet punishment of an apostate in Islam is, of course, death penalty. In very many Ayats Allah claimed that, He has given this Quran in the easy and clear language so that, it will not be difficult to understand by the ordinary Arabs. Quran 44: 58 Verily, We have made This Quran easy in the tongue, in order that they may give heed. No matter which translated Quran we read, the Quranic materials remain the same to us and every sentence is self explanatory and it does not take a rocket scientist to comprehend what is the message Allah wanted to transmit for Arabs. Yet, bigot Mullahs will always blame translators for Quranic contradictions/errors/inconsistencies etc. and will try to find lame excuses to cover up Allah’s ignorance. Comments: The Holy Qur’an is full of inaccuracies, contradictions, inconsistencies, redundancies, no chronology or chapters, grammatical errors, etc. One can find hundreds of contradictions/errors/inconsistencies in the Holy Quran. The above-mentioned Ayats are just selected samples from the Quran. But still it is a miracle to those who are blindfolded bigots. |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by Ken4Christ: 9:39am On Apr 24, 2023 |
jaephoenix: You think that I am as jobless as you. Your submission requires lots of time and I am yet to get such time. I have gone through them and it didn't unsettle me one bit. Let me just make a passing comment on one of them. You quoted scripture which says that God dwells in darkness and another says he dwells in light. Let me harmonize these scriptures. The Bible is made of Contents derived from; 1. Historical facts. In other words, things that took place in the Bible days. 2. Revealed facts. These are things revealed which science or the human senses do not know. For instance, the account of creation is a revelation given to Moses. Moses couldn't have known what happened at creation if God did not reveal it to him. 3. Eye witness account. There are also things written that are eye witness account. It could also be a vision seen by the writer which also doubles as a revelation. 4. There are also few words which are the personal opinion of the writer. For example, some of the things Job said during the days of his afflictions were his personal opinions. They can't be used authoritatively as the word of God. Concerning the verse which says that God dwells in darkness. This is certainly what the writer saw or the vision revealed when God showed up. The question is, why would God cover himself with darkness. He did that because if he permits people to see the brightness of his glory, they will all go blind. So, he had to use dark clouds to cover the glory of his brightness. For example, when Jesus appeared to Saul in the book of Acts, the light that shone from Jesus was brighter than the noonday sun. And Saul became blind instantly. So, God does not only dwell in light, He is light himself. But when he sometimes appears in vision or when he appeared to Moses, he covers himself with thick darkness. Notice the phrase, 'THICK DARKNESS'. The darkness has to be thick enough to cover the brightness of the glory of his light, otherwise, the entire camp will go blind. Just give me some time. I will attend to all the submissions. I am a very busy man. |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by AntiChristian: 9:43am On Apr 24, 2023 |
TenQ: More Bible Gaffes from the Holy Spirit! |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by ANTIlSLAM(m): 9:56am On Apr 24, 2023 |
AntiChristian: I thought you'll address the contradictions in your glorious quran through the demonic spirit that revealed them to muhammad |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by AntiChristian: 10:02am On Apr 24, 2023 |
ANTIlSLAM: On the thread calling you to The Book Of Bible Gaffes? You really be anuofia! It's like only one moniker controls all of you! You all sleep and face the devil! No sense except to derail threads! It must always be you and Muslims! 1 Like |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by advocatejare(m): 10:12am On Apr 24, 2023 |
jaephoenix:I’m not. I’m responding to the nincompoop that mentioned me on this thread, he’s a Muslim and that’s why I responded to him in his folly. He is AntiChristian. I wouldn’t have responded to you an atheist. I don’t waste time on you people. Enjoy your belief and delusions, when you will die you’ll see whether you’ve been right or wrong! Grow some balls and respond to this oneGo and tell that to your father at home or any Christian in your family. Thank you  |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by advocatejare(m): 10:15am On Apr 24, 2023 |
jaephoenix:I can see that you being an Atheist and AntiChristian are friends because you have something in common, you both worship a demon in the name of nature and Allah. If you are smart and intelligent you will know that the same Allah of Islam claimed to have revealed most of the places you quoted in the Bible: the Torah (first five books of the Old Testament), Psalms and the Gospel. But foolishness won’t make you realize that you’re making a ridicule of yourself. 1 Like |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by ANTIlSLAM(m): 10:25am On Apr 24, 2023 |
AntiChristian: You really be onye nzuzu Your glorious quran that was revealed by a demonic spirit to muhammad has over 1000 contradictions and errors which include the: Scientific errors Historical errors Mathematical errors Grammatical errors etc Instead to address that errors and contradictions through the demonic spirit that enters muhammad while in cave, you're there typing nonsense Click on the below links to see by yourself, the contradictions in the book of allah www.1000mistakes.com/ www.billionbibles.org/sharia/errors-in-quran.html |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by ANTIlSLAM(m): 10:37am On Apr 24, 2023 |
advocatejare: Don't mind them  jaephoenix tell your brother or second AntiChristian to get you a copy of Torah, we want to teach you something 1 Like |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by AntiChristian: 11:04am On Apr 24, 2023 |
advocatejare: Keep mute if you can't discuss on The Book Of Bible Gaffes We now know Holy Spirit doesn't know anything or at least you don't have it in you guys! TenQ, Mightysparrow, Antiislam, Fxmasterz 1 Like |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by advocatejare(m): 11:15am On Apr 24, 2023 |
AntiChristian:Like I said, your fellow atheist quoted from the same book your Allah claimed to have revealed, so direct your questions to the authors of your Quran or to Allah |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by advocatejare(m): 11:19am On Apr 24, 2023 |
ANTIlSLAM:Many of the so called nairaland atheists are okay with the Quran despite the numerous errors there in but they always attack the Bible despite Allah claiming to have been the one that revealed many books in the Bible that these so called atheist write against. That is to tell you that those atheists are satanists, they like the lies in the Quran but would want to water down the Bible. We shall keep exposing them. AntiChristians the new atheist |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by Maynman: 11:33am On Apr 24, 2023 |
advocatejare: The quran got most of his content from Tanakh that’s Judaism. Where do you think bible got Old Testament (tanakh) from? Have you forgotten both you and Muslims are both Abrahamaic gods worshipper? Hope you also know that allah and elohim means same thing. |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by ANTIlSLAM(m): 11:55am On Apr 24, 2023 |
advocatejare: I treat many of these NL atheists as a fool according to Psalm 14:1 |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by ANTIlSLAM(m): 11:57am On Apr 24, 2023 |
Maynman: According to your own foolishness, allah and Elohim means the same you will soon say allah is the same Jehovah |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by Maynman: 11:59am On Apr 24, 2023 |
ANTIlSLAM:Says a dullard. They are hebrew and arabic words that comes from the same parent tribe. When your jesus was alive in NT, he spoke Aramaic, what’s “God” in Aramaic? Have knowledge on your beliefs, yahweh worshipper.
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| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by Maynman: 12:01pm On Apr 24, 2023 |
ANTIlSLAM: But you are treating foolishness with foolishness. The christian god is called yahweh, so according to you anyone that says there’s no yahweh is a fool, you are talking to all non christians and not only atheists. Atheists reject yahweh and all the other gods. 1 Like |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by FxMasterz: 12:15pm On Apr 24, 2023 |
jaephoenix: As I promised you yesterday, I've decided to expose your lies and deceit in rendering some of these verses out of context. I'll take 10 verses only even though you challenged me to pick only 1. I'm not here to engage you. Engaging Atheists is a waste of time. They're not seekers of truth. They engage you to tell themselves they're intelligent while exhibiting a high level of folly. Before I continue, I must let you know that the Bible was written by imperfect men urged on by the Spirit of God. God uses men to mininster to men. Men are God's channels. Even though men are imperfect, God uses their imperfections to bless others as long as they're doing all they do in honesty and sincerity. 1 Corinthians 13:9-12 established that we know in part and prophesy in part. The perfect would come later but the perfect is not yet here. When you read the Bible as a canal man, you are reading the imperfect letters of the Word. 2 Corinthians 3:6 says those letters kill. They don't give life. That's why the first step into the things of God is a spiritual rebirth. When you approach the Bible as a spirit being, the Holy Ghost takes you beyond the limits of imperfect letters that kill. You're ushered into the deep things of God that are not available on the surface. The Spirit of God gives you life through those imperfect channels. God still uses Imperfect men today, and their words are still called 'The Word of God." When you hear Christians saying they're going to church to listen to the Word of God. They're going to listen to an imperfect man who preaches behind a pulpit. His words may be imperfect. It could contains errors. But he preaches with all sincerity to the best of his knowledge. God uses his imperfect knowledge to bless the hearers. The Bible itself does not lay any claim to perfection, so this thread of yours is useless. Now, let me start addressing your issues. The deception in your post is too obvious. 1. God is satisfied with his works Gen 1:31 God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen 6:6. I'll be as brief as I can. In Genesis 1:31, the context was the entire work of creation. He was satisfied to see the physical replica of his thoughts. He achieved what He had in mind. They were as exact as He had intended them to be. In Genesis 6:6, God was not dissatisfied with His works. That's a blatant lie. Quote the verse if I'm lying. God regretted creating man. That's the verse. Man isn't God's only work. He's just a very minute part of His entire creation. He regretted creating man because man misused his freewill which God had given him. Man reinvented himself. Ecclesiastes 7:29 sums it up: [/b]"Behold, this only have I found: that God made man perfect; but they have sought out many inventions."[/b] Only man o. Not His entire works. 2. God dwells in chosen temples 2 Chron 7:12,16 God dwells not in temples Acts 7:48 In the Old Testament era, God related with man physically, and at the time, physical temples were the only meeting place with God. That's the context of 2 Chronicles 7. In the new testament, after the death and resurrection of Christ, God started relating with man spiritually. Men became God's Temples. That's the context of Acts 7. The former temple was a mere shadow. The later temple is the real deal. 3. God dwells in light Tim 6:16 God dwells in darkness 1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2 God dwells in light but to those who are blind like yourself, God dwells in darkness. They can't see God. When the veil is removed off your face, and you begin to see clearly, you'll see God. But as long as Satan's veil of darkness remains upon you, you can't see God. 4. God is seen and heard Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/ Ex 24:9-11 God is invisible and cannot be heard John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16. God is seen and heard by those to whom He reveals and manifests Himself. God is invisible but God does manifest. If you seek Him you'll find Him. 5. God is tired and rests Ex 31:17 God is never tired and never rests Is 40:28 First let me see where the verse says God was tired in that Genesis 2. His work was done or what else did He have to come back later to do? He rested to teach man how to rest not because He was tired Himself. He laid an example for man. Today by that example, we have resting days. We rest even when we're not tired. We have a physical rest and a spiritual rest. If man can rest even when he isn't tired, what makes you think God rested because He was tired? If i decided to rest in my house on Saturday and not go to work, does that mean I'm tired? SMH. Give me the verse that says God was tired. Anything else would be ignored. 6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21 God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8. The purpose of these verses is to show us that God cares and is absolutely interested in the affairs of men. How did He know that men were building something in Genesis 11? How did He know that Sodom was perverted in Genesis 18. How did He know all these already before saying He'll come down or go to confirm? Those verses are merely demonstrating God's concerns for man which is one of the core messages of the Bible. 7. God knows the hearts of men Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3 God tries men to find out what is in their heart Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12 God knows the hearts of men but He tries the hearts of men in order to prove to man that the man who was tried deserves whatever God does to him. "By no means! Let God be true though every one were a liar, as it is written, “ That you may be justified in your words, and prevail when you are judged. God would be proved right when men or anyone judges God's actions. Even the man who is cast to hell would know for sure that he deserves hell. By the trial, everyone knows that God is casting him to hell, not just because of what God thinks about him but by the results he himself has produced. 8. God is all powerful Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26 God is not all powerful Judg 1:19 God is all powerful but His power is available to man in the measure to which man is Obidient to God. In Judges 4, under the pophethhood of Deborah, an Obidient and faithly woman of God, God destroyed Sisera and his large army of iron chariots. Faith and Obidient are the two important yardsticks for measuring how much of God's power is available to man. 9. God is unchangeable James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19 God is changeable Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/ Ex 33:1,3,17,14 I don't need to answer this. I'm sure the book you're copying from was written by a Satanist. You mean if God decided to punish a people, and the people repented and asks to be forgiven, God must go ahead and punish them in order to prove that He doesn't change? God has never changed. He hates evil and goes all out to punish it after giving the evil doer ample time to repent. He then rolls out severe warnings. If the evil doer repents, He forgives and turns back the intensity of the punishment. That's how He has always been. That's how He is till today. 10. God is just and impartial Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25 God is unjust and partial Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12 In Genesis 9:25, Noah cursing his son makes God partial? Hahahaha, wonders shall never end. In Exodus 20:5, God is partial for commanding the Jews not to worship idols? How foolish can this assertion get? In Romans 9:11-13, God already knew what Esau was going to do and become. God knew his heart. He knew he'll not serve God. God judged him before hand. And we see that God was right in His judgement by the kind of life Esau eventually lived. This brings me back to the verse that makes you conclude that God does not know the hearts because He tries the hearts of men. I've responded to that already. This allegation of yours further proves my position that even though God knows man's heart, people like you will accuse God of wrongdoing if God does not prove through trial that the man deserves what God says or does to him. The Satanist book from which you're copying is a book of lies at its best. I can't find any truth in it. I've just exposed the first 10 lies. The book is merely written to mislead people like you in order to further strengthen the fetters of your captivity so that you can become surer candidates of hell. This is a very poor attempt to discredit the Bible. There are indeed human imperfections in the Bible but this first 10 verses of yours don't fall in that category. They were deliberate lies sordidly collated to look like truth. I really pity your soul. |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by FxMasterz: 12:15pm On Apr 24, 2023 |
jaephoenix: As I promised you yesterday, I've decided to expose your lies and deceit in rendering some of these verses out of context. I'll take the first 10 verses only even though you challenged me to pick only 1. I'm not here to engage you. Engaging Atheists is a waste of time. They're not seekers of truth. They engage you to tell themselves they're intelligent while exhibiting a high level of folly. Before I continue, I must let you know that the Bible was written by imperfect men urged on by the Spirit of God. God uses men to mininster to men. Men are God's channels. Even though men are imperfect, God uses their imperfections to bless others as long as they're doing all they do in honesty and sincerity. 1 Corinthians 13:9-12 established that we know in part and prophesy in part. The perfect would come later but the perfect is not yet here. When you read the Bible as a canal man, you are reading the imperfect letters of the Word. 2 Corinthians 3:6 says those letters kill. They don't give life. That's why the first step into the things of God is a spiritual rebirth. When you approach the Bible as a spirit being, the Holy Ghost takes you beyond the limits of imperfect letters that kill. You're ushered into the deep things of God that are not available on the surface. The Spirit of God gives you life through those imperfect channels. God still uses Imperfect men today, and their words are still called 'The Word of God." When you hear Christians saying they're going to church to listen to the Word of God, they're going to listen to an imperfect man who preaches behind a pulpit. His words may be imperfect. It could contain errors. But he preaches with all sincerity to the best of his knowledge. God uses his imperfect knowledge to bless the hearers. The Bible itself does not lay any claim to perfection, so this thread of yours is useless. Now, let me start addressing your issues. The deception in your post is too obvious. 1. God is satisfied with his works Gen 1:31 God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen 6:6. I'll be as brief as I can. In Genesis 1:31, the context was the entire work of creation. He was satisfied to see the physical replica of his thoughts. He achieved what He had in mind. They were as exact as He had intended them to be. In Genesis 6:6, God was not dissatisfied with His works. That's a blatant lie. Quote the verse if I'm lying. God regretted creating man. That's the verse. Man isn't God's only work. He's just a very minute part of His entire creation. He regretted creating man because man misused his freewill which God had given him. Man reinvented himself. Ecclesiastes 7:29 sums it up: [/b]"Behold, this only have I found: that God made man perfect; but they have sought out many inventions."[/b] Only man o. Not His entire works. 2. God dwells in chosen temples 2 Chron 7:12,16 God dwells not in temples Acts 7:48 In the Old Testament era, God related with man physically, and at the time, physical temples were the only meeting place with God. That's the context of 2 Chronicles 7. In the new testament, after the death and resurrection of Christ, God started relating with man spiritually. Men became God's Temples. That's the context of Acts 7. The former temple was a mere shadow. The later temple is the real deal. 3. God dwells in light Tim 6:16 God dwells in darkness 1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2 God dwells in light but to those who are blind like yourself, God dwells in darkness. They can't see God. When the veil is removed off your face, and you begin to see clearly, you'll see God. But as long as Satan's veil of darkness remains upon you, you can't see God. 4. God is seen and heard Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/ Ex 24:9-11 God is invisible and cannot be heard John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16. God is seen and heard by those to whom He reveals and manifests Himself. God is invisible but God does manifest. If you seek Him you'll find Him. 5. God is tired and rests Ex 31:17 God is never tired and never rests Is 40:28 First let me see where the verse says God was tired in that Genesis 2. His work was done or what else did He have to come back later to do? He rested to teach man how to rest not because He was tired Himself. He laid an example for man. Today by that example, we have resting days. We rest even when we're not tired. We have a physical rest and a spiritual rest. If man can rest even when he isn't tired, what makes you think God rested because He was tired? If i decided to rest in my house on Saturday and not go to work, does that mean I'm tired? SMH. Give me the verse that says God was tired. Anything else would be ignored. 6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21 God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8. The purpose of these verses is to show us that God cares and is absolutely interested in the affairs of men. How did He know that men were building something in Genesis 11? How did He know that Sodom was perverted in Genesis 18. How did He know all these already before saying He'll come down or go to confirm? Those verses are merely demonstrating God's concerns for man which is one of the core messages of the Bible. 7. God knows the hearts of men Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3 God tries men to find out what is in their heart Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12 God knows the hearts of men but He tries the hearts of men in order to prove to man that the man who was tried deserves whatever God does to him. "By no means! Let God be true though every one were a liar, as it is written, “ That you may be justified in your words, and prevail when you are judged. God would be proved right when men or anyone judges God's actions. Even the man who is cast to hell would know for sure that he deserves hell. By the trial, everyone knows that God is casting him to hell, not just because of what God thinks about him but by the results he himself has produced. 8. God is all powerful Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26 God is not all powerful Judg 1:19 God is all powerful but His power is available to man in the measure to which man is Obidient to God. In Judges 4, under the pophethhood of Deborah, an Obidient and faithly woman of God, God destroyed Sisera and his large army of iron chariots. Faith and Obidient are the two important yardsticks for measuring how much of God's power is available to man. 9. God is unchangeable James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19 God is changeable Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/ Ex 33:1,3,17,14 I don't need to answer this. I'm sure the book you're copying from was written by a Satanist. You mean if God decided to punish a people, and the people repented and asks to be forgiven, God must go ahead and punish them in order to prove that He doesn't change? God has never changed. He hates evil and goes all out to punish it after giving the evil doer ample time to repent. He then rolls out severe warnings. If the evil doer repents, He forgives and turns back the intensity of the punishment. That's how He has always been. That's how He is till today. 10. God is just and impartial Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25 God is unjust and partial Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12 In Genesis 9:25, Noah cursing his son makes God partial? Hahahaha, wonders shall never end. In Exodus 20:5, God is partial for commanding the Jews not to worship idols? How foolish can this assertion get? In Romans 9:11-13, God already knew what Esau was going to do and become. God knew his heart. He knew he'll not serve God. God judged him before hand. And we see that God was right in His judgement by the kind of life Esau eventually lived. This brings me back to the verse that makes you conclude that God does not know the hearts because He tries the hearts of men. I've responded to that already. This allegation of yours further proves my position that even though God knows man's heart, people like you will accuse God of wrongdoing if God does not prove through trial that the man deserves what God says or does to him. The Satanist book from which you're copying is a book of lies at its best. I can't find any truth in it. I've just exposed the first 10 lies. The book is merely written to mislead people like you in order to further strengthen the fetters of your captivity so that you can become surer candidates of hell. This is a very poor attempt to discredit the Bible. There are indeed human imperfections in the Bible but this first 10 verses of yours don't fall in that category. And I can already see that majority of the verses in this copy-paste thread are based on one tyoe of lies or the other. They are deliberate lies sordidly collated to look like truth. I really pity your soul. God still loves you. If you still have room in your heart to see your need for a saviour, He'll welcome you with open arms. CC: Antichristian |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by ANTIlSLAM(m): 12:21pm On Apr 24, 2023 |
Maynman: As you are one of the foolish one I'm treating |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by Maynman: 12:22pm On Apr 24, 2023 |
ANTIlSLAM: As you are foolish yourself, yahweh worshipper. |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by ANTIlSLAM(m): 12:23pm On Apr 24, 2023 |
Maynman: Is that all? you can do more better bonehead |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by advocatejare(m): 12:24pm On Apr 24, 2023 |
Maynman:I have blacklisted you from the list of people that are worth my attention since. You’re too retarded to get my time, get lost! I don’t have time for kids! |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by Maynman: 12:25pm On Apr 24, 2023 |
ANTIlSLAM:You are now empty huh Allah is Elohim, if not for ignorance you won’t be arguing and basing your life on jewish mythologies bwahahahah, yahweh worshipper. Jehovah can’t tie the lace of allah  1 Like
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| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by Maynman: 12:26pm On Apr 24, 2023 |
advocatejare: Illiterate, the tanakh that you are using do you know its sources? The quran got most of his content from Tanakh that’s Judaism. Where do you think bible got Old Testament (tanakh) from? Have you forgotten both you and Muslims are both Abrahamaic gods worshipper? Hope you also know that allah and elohim means same thing.
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| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by ANTIlSLAM(m): 12:26pm On Apr 24, 2023 |
Maynman: The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds; there is none who does good. |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by ANTIlSLAM(m): 12:27pm On Apr 24, 2023 |
Maynman: U don tire? Dingbat |
| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by Maynman: 12:27pm On Apr 24, 2023 |
ANTIlSLAM: A bigger fool worships yahweh as his creator, they are dumb, they are Murderers, they take a genocide loving god as their creator. 1 Like
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| Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by Maynman: 12:28pm On Apr 24, 2023 |
ANTIlSLAM: You don empty? Cretin
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