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Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Kingsnairaland(m): 12:45pm On May 23, 2023
Tiopii:



The US was wrong, same way Russia is wrong in the Ukraine war. Same way there's no sense to justify US actions, same way no sense to justify Russia action in Ukraine.

The Luhansk and Donetsk republic is another issue, Russia sponsored the separatists there and there are standard process to follow if a region wants sovereignty. Russia has no business in those regions, like I said it's a local issue and demands local solution. Russia has no right to grant independence to a region in a sovereign country. And after the independence Russia has legislation to absorb them into Russua. Russia just hoped to bully Ukraine to cede territories and it isn't working out fine so far. Every state is a state in process, no state has reached it's final form.

Russia has been doing what you accuse the US. Moldova, Georgia and now Ukraine.

The victim in all these is Ukraine, but they are not the usual victim we are used to, they have decided to fight for their sovereignty. After the war regardless of outcome, Ukraine would be stronger and prosperous than it has ever being.

NATO didn't invade Iraq, the US did. NATO has never attacked any nation.

The demonization is vice versa. All of them are doing it to each other

Same Russia has been in Georgia for 15yrs and no one Isa saying anything about it.

While the US/West are not the usual good guys neither is Russia, but in this Ukraine war, The US/West are the good guys in relation to Ukraine's future and sovereignty

The handover occurred on 31 March 2011 at 06:00 UTC (08:00 local time). NATO flew 26,500 sorties since it took charge of the Libya mission on 31 March 2011. Fighting in Libya ended in late October following the killing of Muammar Gaddafi, and NATO stated it would end operations over Libya on 31 October 2011.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
2011 military intervention in Libya - Wikipedia

I don't want to show you more evidence of USA evil nato wars which nato approved

Even France former president is in problem for working with Libya when nato was trying to destroy Libya

Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Kingsnairaland(m): 12:54pm On May 23, 2023
Tiopii:



The US was wrong, same way Russia is wrong in the Ukraine war. Same way there's no sense to justify US actions, same way no sense to justify Russia action in Ukraine.

The Luhansk and Donetsk republic is another issue, Russia sponsored the separatists there and there are standard process to follow if a region wants sovereignty. Russia has no business in those regions, like I said it's a local issue and demands local solution. Russia has no right to grant independence to a region in a sovereign country. And after the independence Russia has legislation to absorb them into Russua. Russia just hoped to bully Ukraine to cede territories and it isn't working out fine so far. Every state is a state in process, no state has reached it's final form.

Russia has been doing what you accuse the US. Moldova, Georgia and now Ukraine.

The victim in all these is Ukraine, but they are not the usual victim we are used to, they have decided to fight for their sovereignty. After the war regardless of outcome, Ukraine would be stronger and prosperous than it has ever being.

NATO didn't invade Iraq, the US did. NATO has never attacked any nation.........

The demonization is vice versa. All of them are doing it to each other

Same Russia has been in Georgia for 15yrs and no one Isa saying anything about it.

While the US/West are not the usual good guys neither is Russia, but in this Ukraine war, The US/West are the good guys in relation to Ukraine's future and sovereignty

NATO didn't invade Iraq, the US did. NATO has never attacked any nation....... ..... Beautiful lies

It is an insult to intellectual people while you say this things you probably heard from another USA evil nato propaganda post lol

Go to Google before you post or go to chat gpt

I got this from chat gpt template because am running a series of codes online lol

Watch what USA ai said

Dear {{User}},

As you mentioned your specific interest in the topic, I have gathered information on the reasons behind NATO's attack on Libya that may most concern you.

It is well known that NATO's attack on Libya in 2011 was multifaceted and encompassed a range of geopolitical, security, and humanitarian issues. Firstly, the intervention aimed to protect the Libyan people from the undemocratic rule of Muammar Gaddafi, and establish a successful democracy in the country. The international humanitarian community mobilized a coalition of nations to prevent Gaddafi's forces from violently crushing peaceful protests and to liberate Libya. Therefore, if your interest lies with the humanitarian aspect of the conflict, NATO's intervention was aimed to safeguard the lives of Libyans and protect their human rights.

However, your specific opinion on NATO's intervention is essential to keep in mind. If you have a positive view of the intervention, you would appreciate NATO's prolonged effort to restore stability and democracy in the region. On the other hand, if you have a negative view of the intervention, you might argue that NATO's intervention led to more significant security threats, instability, and sovereignty violations.

If there is a specific important date connected to the conflict that you are curious about, it might be the day NATO forces began air strikes on 19th March 2011. This was the first international military intervention against a sovereign nation since the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003.

As far as key figures involved in the conflict, one name that stands out is Colonel Muammar Gaddafi. He was the former leader of the country, who was known for his authoritarian rule and suppression of opposition. The international community regarded Gaddafi as having committed grave human rights violations and crimes against humanity. Nonetheless, he maintained his position by suppressing opposition, having official security forces engage in extrajudicial killings, torture, and disappearances.

Furthermore, if your concern lies with the future impact of NATO's intervention, it is important to note that Libya remains unstable since the intervention. The country is currently divided by various factions vying for power and struggling for control of the oil-rich region. The instability in Libya has since spilt over to other countries in North Africa and the Middle East, political instability, and the rise of extremism. Libyan refugees remaining in the country, and those who fled abroad continue to suffer due to the continued conflict.

I hope this tailored explanation of NATO's intervention in Libya helps clarify the reasons behind it while addressing your specific interests, opinions and concerns.

Best Regards,
[Your Name]
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Adjovi: 1:06pm On May 23, 2023
Tiopii:



As Nigerians, we know there are terrorists in the Nigerian Army, cos we hear of terrorists ambushing the Nigerians soldiers. it is a local problem or national problem.

Cos we have this issues doesn't mean other nations would come and interfer in our issues especially without invitation. there's no perfect state, all states are in the process transformation.

The same way it's a Nigerian problem, is the same way the Nazis in Ukraine is a local problem. Even the US still has fragment of KKK, so does it mean other nations should interfer in their local problems?.

The US/West were wrong in the past esp in Libya and Iran, no need to hide the truth, the same way they were wrong is the same way Russia is wrong for using Ukraine local problem as a pretext to invade.. The Nazis in Ukraine is not the problem of Russia, it's a Ukraine problem.

It is the US invading Nigeria cos of corruption or oil theft. E no concern them


If you were the one that lost over 27 million people to the Nazis, you will fold your hands again Abbi until they become another force ready for invasion like nazi led Hitler Abbi?

Imagine someone sponsoring bokoharam in Nigeria and they successfully overthrow the Nigerian government through the support of the people and then install a great that will listen to their bidden. Then after that are settled they started killing egun people along badagry what do you think Republic of Benin will do? Wait until they kill all their people in badagry Abbi?
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Regex: 1:27pm On May 23, 2023
Adjovi:



If you were the one that lost over 27 million people to the Nazis, you will fold your hands again Abbi until they become another force ready for invasion like nazi led Hitler Abbi?

Imagine someone sponsoring bokoharam in Nigeria and they successfully overthrow the Nigerian government through the support of the people and then install a great that will listen to their bidden. Then after that are settled they started killing egun people along badagry what do you think Republic of Benin will do? Wait until they kill all their people in badagry Abbi?

Wait is that nigga liken Russia Invasion to US terrorism in Libya and Iraq? That nigga dumb as hell.

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Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Regex: 1:30pm On May 23, 2023
Tiopii:



As Nigerians, we know there are terrorists in the Nigerian Army, cos we hear of terrorists ambushing the Nigerians soldiers. it is a local problem or national problem.

Cos we have this issues doesn't mean other nations would come and interfer in our issues especially without invitation. there's no perfect state, all states are in the process transformation.

The same way it's a Nigerian problem, is the same way the Nazis in Ukraine is a local problem. Even the US still has fragment of KKK, so does it mean other nations should interfer in their local problems?.

The US/West were wrong in the past esp in Libya and Iran, no need to hide the truth, the same way they were wrong is the same way Russia is wrong for using Ukraine local problem as a pretext to invade.. The Nazis in Ukraine is not the problem of Russia, it's a Ukraine problem.

It is the US invading Nigeria cos of corruption or oil theft. E no concern them

Nigga Russia Invasion is not == to USA terrorism in Libya and Iraq. They're two different things.


Russia has been pointing out the killings of her native people to un and like master, you have turned blind eyes to it. Since your master refused to act initially, you and your master do not have the right to react now and Russia reserves the right to act as will.

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Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by JagabanBorgu: 1:30pm On May 23, 2023
Tiopii:



The US was wrong, same way Russia is wrong in the Ukraine war. Same way there's no sense to justify US actions, same way no sense to justify Russia action in Ukraine.

The Luhansk and Donetsk republic is another issue, Russia sponsored the separatists there and there are standard process to follow if a region wants sovereignty. Russia has no business in those regions, like I said it's a local issue and demands local solution. Russia has no right to grant independence to a region in a sovereign country. And after the independence Russia has legislation to absorb them into Russua. Russia just hoped to bully Ukraine to cede territories and it isn't working out fine so far. Every state is a state in process, no state has reached it's final form.

Russia has been doing what you accuse the US. Moldova, Georgia and now Ukraine.

The victim in all these is Ukraine, but they are not the usual victim we are used to, they have decided to fight for their sovereignty. After the war regardless of outcome, Ukraine would be stronger and prosperous than it has ever being.

NATO didn't invade Iraq, the US did. NATO has never attacked any nation.

The demonization is vice versa. All of them are doing it to each other

Same Russia has been in Georgia for 15yrs and no one Isa saying anything about it.

While the US/West are not the usual good guys neither is Russia, but in this Ukraine war, The US/West are the good guys in relation to Ukraine's future and sovereignty
Just like Russia were the good guys when US invaded Libya, Russia have played the good guys more than the US who are renowned hypôcrîtes.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 2:18pm On May 23, 2023
JagabanBorgu:

Just like Russia were the good guys when US invaded Libya, Russia have played the good guys more than the US who are renowned hypôcrîtes.

My own argument is Russia is wrong in Ukraine. simple
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 2:33pm On May 23, 2023
Adjovi:



If you were the one that lost over 27 million people to the Nazis, you will fold your hands again Abbi until they become another force ready for invasion like nazi led Hitler Abbi?

Imagine someone sponsoring bokoharam in Nigeria and they successfully overthrow the Nigerian government through the support of the people and then install a great that will listen to their bidden. Then after that are settled they started killing egun people along badagry what do you think Republic of Benin will do? Wait until they kill all their people in badagry Abbi?


Bros, The Maidan Uprising , was a wave of demonstrations and civil unrest in Ukraine , which began on 21 November 2013 with large protests in Maidan Nezalezhnosti (Independence Square) in Kyiv . The protests were sparked by President Viktor Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement , instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the
Eurasian Economic Union . Ukraine's parliament had overwhelmingly approved of finalizing the Agreement with the EU, but Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it. The scope of the protests widened, with calls for the resignation of Yanukovych and the Azarov government.

The people of Ukraine chose closer ties with the West, and the new govt wasn't or has never been a terrorist organization. if you have proof against this pls share. And Ukraine isn't the first former USSR state to want closer ties with the West. you should realize Ukraine is a sovereign country and must decide their future themselves.

Your analogy is wrong.

Even as Boko Haram is a Nigerian problem with consequences in other countries, no country can step foot in Nigeria in the guise of wanting to fight Boko Haram without the Nigerian govt permission.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 2:41pm On May 23, 2023
Regex:


Nigga Russia Invasion is not == to USA terrorism in Libya and Iraq. They're two different things.


Russia has been pointing out the killings of her native people to un and like master, you have turned blind eyes to it. Since your master refused to act initially, you and your master do not have the right to react now and Russia reserves the right to act as will.

Ukraine is an independent nation, cos the some Ukrainians speak Russia doesn't make them natives of Russia. Same way we speak English doesn't make us citizens of the UK or the US.

In Benin Republic some parts speak Yoruba, that doesn't make them Nigerians, Russia have no right over the territory of Ukraine. Russia is acting, so is Ukraine. Let see how it would turn out.

Both the US and Russia invaded an independent nation territory. Terrorism or invasion both are same in this context. Only that the US succeeded in overthrowing the govt while Russia hasn't been successful.

Both the US and Russia wanted a change in Govt, and demilitarization, The Russia went a little far in wanting to annex the territory of Ukraine.

Let's be truthful
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 2:46pm On May 23, 2023
Kingsnairaland:


NATO didn't invade Iraq, the US did. NATO has never attacked any nation....... ..... Beautiful lies

It is an insult to intellectual people while you say this things you probably heard from another USA evil nato propaganda post lol

Go to Google before you post or go to chat gpt

I got this from chat gpt template because am running a series of codes online lol

Watch what USA ai said

Dear {{User}},

As you mentioned your specific interest in the topic, I have gathered information on the reasons behind NATO's attack on Libya that may most concern you.

It is well known that NATO's attack on Libya in 2011 was multifaceted and encompassed a range of geopolitical, security, and humanitarian issues. Firstly, the intervention aimed to protect the Libyan people from the undemocratic rule of Muammar Gaddafi, and establish a successful democracy in the country. The international humanitarian community mobilized a coalition of nations to prevent Gaddafi's forces from violently crushing peaceful protests and to liberate Libya. Therefore, if your interest lies with the humanitarian aspect of the conflict, NATO's intervention was aimed to safeguard the lives of Libyans and protect their human rights.

However, your specific opinion on NATO's intervention is essential to keep in mind. If you have a positive view of the intervention, you would appreciate NATO's prolonged effort to restore stability and democracy in the region. On the other hand, if you have a negative view of the intervention, you might argue that NATO's intervention led to more significant security threats, instability, and sovereignty violations.

If there is a specific important date connected to the conflict that you are curious about, it might be the day NATO forces began air strikes on 19th March 2011. This was the first international military intervention against a sovereign nation since the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003.

As far as key figures involved in the conflict, one name that stands out is Colonel Muammar Gaddafi. He was the former leader of the country, who was known for his authoritarian rule and suppression of opposition. The international community regarded Gaddafi as having committed grave human rights violations and crimes against humanity. Nonetheless, he maintained his position by suppressing opposition, having official security forces engage in extrajudicial killings, torture, and disappearances.

Furthermore, if your concern lies with the future impact of NATO's intervention, it is important to note that Libya remains unstable since the intervention. The country is currently divided by various factions vying for power and struggling for control of the oil-rich region. The instability in Libya has since spilt over to other countries in North Africa and the Middle East, political instability, and the rise of extremism. Libyan refugees remaining in the country, and those who fled abroad continue to suffer due to the continued conflict.a

I hope this tailored explanation of NATO's intervention in Libya helps clarify the reasons behind it while addressing your specific interests, opinions and concerns.

Best Regards,
[Your Name]


Bros, I said Iraq not Libya. I'm not here to justify the atrocities of the US.

My focus is on the Russia/Ukraine war. And I stand with Ukraine. simple
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Adjovi: 3:12pm On May 23, 2023
Tiopii:



Bros, The Maidan Uprising , was a wave of demonstrations and civil unrest in Ukraine , which began on 21 November 2013 with large protests in Maidan Nezalezhnosti (Independence Square) in Kyiv . The protests were sparked by President Viktor Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement , instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the
Eurasian Economic Union . Ukraine's parliament had overwhelmingly approved of finalizing the Agreement with the EU, but Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it. The scope of the protests widened, with calls for the resignation of Yanukovych and the Azarov government.

The people of Ukraine chose closer ties with the West, and the new govt wasn't or has never been a terrorist organization. if you have proof against this pls share. And Ukraine isn't the first former USSR state to want closer ties with the West. you should realize Ukraine is a sovereign country and must decide their future themselves.

Your analogy is wrong.

Even as Boko Haram is a Nigerian problem with consequences in other countries, no country can step foot in Nigeria in the guise of wanting to fight Boko Haram without the Nigerian govt permission.



You were the one who used a wrong analogy first I was only responding to your analogy of bokoharam. Asking for proof that Ukraine didn't sponsor or is not aware of Nazism terrorist activities in their country shows you are either ignorant or a blind supporter of the west. You have the time to go on Google to bring out all these to back up your claim, you can as well go to the same Google and read about the activities of Azov Nazis in Ukraine...... I'll stop responding from now on.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Adjovi: 3:13pm On May 23, 2023
Regex:


Wait is that nigga liken Russia Invasion to US terrorism in Libya and Iraq? That nigga dumb as hell.


Don't mind him. He's trying to pretend to be neutral but from what's he's been saying, it shows already that he's a Western slave. They will justify anything done by the US...

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Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Adjovi: 3:20pm On May 23, 2023
Tiopii:


Ukraine is an independent nation, cos the some Ukrainians speak Russia doesn't make them natives of Russia. Same way we speak English doesn't make us citizens of the UK or the US.

In Benin Republic some parts speak Yoruba, that doesn't make them Nigerians, Russia have no right over the territory of Ukraine. Russia is acting, so is Ukraine. Let see how it would turn out.

Both the US and Russia invaded an independent nation territory. Terrorism or invasion both are same in this context. Only that the US succeeded in overthrowing the govt while Russia hasn't been successful.

Both the US and Russia wanted a change in Govt, and demilitarization, The Russia went a little far in wanting to annex the territory of Ukraine.

Let's be truthful


You keep ignoring the part where you're told Russia has been voicing out on the killings in the donbass region for years, UN turned a blind eye, you all turned blind eyes to it. NATO even admitted it was all a guise to buy Ukraine time to prepare for war with Russia and here you're still saying Russia is wrong.

Same scenario during the Cuba missile crisis but USSR where matured enough to back down and leave Cuba be, now same is playing out in Ukraine but the USA at the other end, then all of a sudden Ukraine is an independent nation and can do what they like, but Cuba then was not independent enough shey? So Cuba must do what USA wants ... You and Europeans hypocrisy is astonishing..... anyways nothing can save Ukraine now except they return to the neutral ground. Even the whole of NATO can't save Ukraine, it is only Ukraine that can save herself and only peace can save them. Anything other than peace won't help them at all and Russia will achieve all her set goals in Ukraine. Note, Russia is still being lenient with them, when Russia truly begins by then all of Ukraine will go down.

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Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 3:25pm On May 23, 2023
Adjovi:




You were the one who used a wrong analogy first I was only responding to your analogy of bokoharam. Asking for proof that Ukraine didn't sponsor or is not aware of Nazism terrorist activities in their country shows you are either ignorant or a blind supporter of the west. You have the time to go on Google to bring out all these to back up your claim, you can as well go to the same Google and read about the activities of Azov Nazis in Ukraine...... I'll stop responding from now on.

I said Azov Nazi is a local problem like Boko Haram in Nigeria. you then give a scenerio of Boko Haram hijacking power in Nigeria. and compared it to the Euromaiden, which I refuted as the parliament rectified a Ukraine/EU agreement, and the president refusing to sign which resulted in protest and cumulated in his dismissal.

Russsia already claimed to have defeated the Azov regiment, and if the Nazis are the reason Russia invaded Ukraine, they should be have withdrawn their troops by now.

simple
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Brek: 4:02pm On May 23, 2023
[quote author=TheBillyonaire post=123275628]When you make jesters and comedians your President, Ukraine is what you have. Do not be like Ukraine, comedians are court jesters and should be encouraged to be better comedians.

When you make a footballer your President, Liberia is what you have. If you make a 'known drug lord (according to Reno Omokri) your President, you will have surprising positive outcome, after-all drug lords know the pains of being poor, since most drug lords came from poor homes. grin[/quote
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Adjovi: 4:20pm On May 23, 2023
Tiopii:


I said Azov Nazi is a local problem like Boko Haram in Nigeria. you then give a scenerio of Boko Haram hijacking power in Nigeria. and compared it to the Euromaiden, which I refuted as the parliament rectified a Ukraine/EU agreement, and the president refusing to sign which resulted in protest and cumulated in his dismissal.

Russsia already claimed to have defeated the Azov regiment, and if the Nazis are the reason Russia invaded Ukraine, they should be have withdrawn their troops by now.

simple

They should withdraw their troops when even Ukraines making army flaunts Nazi salutes and crest. Even their president supports Nazism. Russia is just getting started.


Besides Nazis can never be a local problem not after what the germans did during the ww2. Only a fool will treat them with levity.

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Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Adjovi: 4:20pm On May 23, 2023
Tiopii:


I said Azov Nazi is a local problem like Boko Haram in Nigeria. you then give a scenerio of Boko Haram hijacking power in Nigeria. and compared it to the Euromaiden, which I refuted as the parliament rectified a Ukraine/EU agreement, and the president refusing to sign which resulted in protest and cumulated in his dismissal.

Russsia already claimed to have defeated the Azov regiment, and if the Nazis are the reason Russia invaded Ukraine, they should be have withdrawn their troops by now.

simple

They should withdraw their troops when even Ukraines making army flaunts Nazi salutes and crest. Even their president supports Nazism. Russia is just getting started.


Besides Nazis can never be a local problem not after what the germans did during the ww2. Only a fool will treat them with levity and Russia is no fool. Once beaten twice shy

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Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Kingsnairaland(m): 6:20pm On May 23, 2023
Tiopii:



Bros, I said Iraq not Libya. I'm not here to justify the atrocities of the US.

My focus is on the Russia/Ukraine war. And I stand with Ukraine. simple

UN sent a man to find out if truly there were weapons of mass destruction lol in Iraq and he came back and said no weapons like that exist there

And USA killed him fixed his death as suicide lol.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by JagabanBorgu: 8:12pm On May 23, 2023
Tiopii:


My own argument is Russia is wrong in Ukraine. simple
My own argument is that they are not wrong just like the US is always right.

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Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 10:15pm On May 23, 2023
Adjovi:



You keep ignoring the part where you're told Russia has been voicing out on the killings in the donbass region for years, UN turned a blind eye, you all turned blind eyes to it. NATO even admitted it was all a guise to buy Ukraine time to prepare for war with Russia and here you're still saying Russia is wrong.

Same scenario during the Cuba missile crisis but USSR where matured enough to back down and leave Cuba be, now same is playing out in Ukraine but the USA at the other end, then all of a sudden Ukraine is an independent nation and can do what they like, but Cuba then was not independent enough shey? So Cuba must do what USA wants ... You and Europeans hypocrisy is astonishing..... anyways nothing can save Ukraine now except they return to the neutral ground. Even the whole of NATO can't save Ukraine, it is only Ukraine that can save herself and only peace can save them. Anything other than peace won't help them at all and Russia will achieve all her set goals in Ukraine. Note, Russia is still being lenient with them, when Russia truly begins by then all of Ukraine will go down.


I don't understand why you're bringing the US into this, If Russia has issues with the US let them attack the US and leave Ukraine alone.

Russia isn't lenient with them, Russia is throwing everything they can at Ukraine, bar Nuclear weapons which Putin isn't stupid enough to try.

The US never entered Cuba, they only did a naval blockage to stop the USSR's access to Cuba. Russia entered Ukraine. And the Cuba crises was bout Nuclear weapons. You want to use the US actions to justify Russia's actions lol.

peace
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 10:18pm On May 23, 2023
Kingsnairaland:


UN sent a man to find out if truly there were weapons of mass destruction lol in Iraq and he came back and said no weapons like that exist there

And USA killed him fixed his death as suicide lol.

I'm not justifying the US atrocities, it was the US not Ukraine, US is an entirely different argument. my focus is Russia/Ukraine war.

And I support Ukraine's sovereignty and right to control their destiny
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Adjovi: 10:21pm On May 23, 2023
Tiopii:



I don't understand why you're bringing the US into this, If Russia has issues with the US let them attack the US and leave Ukraine alone.

Russia isn't lenient with them, Russia is throwing everything they can at Ukraine, bar Nuclear weapons which Putin isn't stupid enough to try.

The US never entered Cuba, they only did a naval blockage to stop the USSR's access to Cuba. Russia entered Ukraine. And the Cuba crises was bout Nuclear weapons. You want to use the US actions to justify Russia's actions lol.

peace


Because the problem as always been the USA. They are the problem of the world..... Lol so the USA just blocked Cuba and that's all shey? What of the aspect where they threatened to nuke Cuba? .... Russia has not even started yet. You can read about Aleppo in Syria then you will truly know that Russia has not started. Even NATO knows Russia has not started with Ukraine. Besides how many military base does USA have outside USA?

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Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 10:35pm On May 23, 2023
Adjovi:
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Because the problem as always been the USA. They are the problem of the world..... Lol so the USA just blocked Cuba and that's all shey? What of the aspect where they threatened to nuke Cuba? .... Russia has not even started yet. You can read about Aleppo in Syria then you will truly know that Russia has not started. Even NATO knows Russia has not started with Ukraine. Besides how many military base does USA have outside USA?

Nations threatened each other all the time. Russia has started in Ukraine, it is the West that hadn't started. when they decide to start sending latest tech and not those 1980s military hardware they are currently sending. Russia doesn't have anything new to show the World. They are using their best weapons already.


And this is a Russia/Ukraine war forum, if you want to discuss US/Russia open another forum or thread.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by dreamxhaser: 9:47am On May 24, 2023
Tiopii:


Nations threatened each other all the time. Russia has started in Ukraine, it is the West that hadn't started. when they decide to start sending latest tech and not those 1980s military hardware they are currently sending. Russia doesn't have anything new to show the World. They are using their best weapons already.


And this is a Russia/Ukraine war forum, if you want to discuss US/Russia open another forum or thread.

I wad reading everyones comment on a nutral ground but you just dropped a blumder and i have to correct you for it.

Russia hasnt started anything in ukrine bro, this is more like a militray excercise. Do you know what "All out war" means?
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Adjovi: 10:15am On May 24, 2023
Tiopii:


Nations threatened each other all the time. Russia has started in Ukraine, it is the West that hadn't started. when they decide to start sending latest tech and not those 1980s military hardware they are currently sending. Russia doesn't have anything new to show the World. They are using their best weapons already.


And this is a Russia/Ukraine war forum, if you want to discuss US/Russia open another forum or thread.


Lol so the so called HIMARS AND patriot defence systems are old Abbi grin cheesy cheesy. The leopards and Abrams tanks too are old abi grin grin grin. See if you're big you're big and Russia is big. Anything they want to throw at them let the west bring it on. Russia is not Yemen or Syria or Libya or Afghanistan that USA will come and flex muscle. Let them send the f16s SEBI this one too is old abi? Russia will destroy everything.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Adjovi: 10:18am On May 24, 2023
Tiopii:



I don't understand why you're bringing the US into this, If Russia has issues with the US let them attack the US and leave Ukraine alone.

Russia isn't lenient with them, Russia is throwing everything they can at Ukraine, bar Nuclear weapons which Putin isn't stupid enough to try.

The US never entered Cuba, they only did a naval blockage to stop the USSR's access to Cuba. Russia entered Ukraine. And the Cuba crises was bout Nuclear weapons. You want to use the US actions to justify Russia's actions lol.

peace


Russia has issues with Ukraine for sponsoring Nazi killings of Russians in the donbass region. Russia has responded to the issue with Ukraine what's USAs business there? It does not even matter self. If NATO likes they should send troops in , Russia will come out victorious. Russia is saving the world and God is with them...if you like support USA na your problem be that.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 2:42pm On May 24, 2023
Adjovi:



Russia has issues with Ukraine for sponsoring Nazi killings of Russians in the donbass region. Russia has responded to the issue with Ukraine what's USAs business there? It does not even matter self. If NATO likes they should send troops in , Russia will come out victorious. Russia is saving the world and God is with them...if you like support USA na your problem be that.


As Russia has intervened, Ukraine also called the US, as everybody's big brother. God no send Putin or Russia. They are responsible for the deaths in Ukraine. And Ukraine's counter offensive to begin soon.

I'm supporting Ukraine.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 2:47pm On May 24, 2023
Adjovi:



Lol so the so called HIMARS AND patriot defence systems are old Abbi grin cheesy cheesy. The leopards and Abrams tanks too are old abi grin grin grin. See if you're big you're big and Russia is big. Anything they want to throw at them let the west bring it on. Russia is not Yemen or Syria or Libya or Afghanistan that USA will come and flex muscle. Let them send the f16s SEBI this one too is old abi? Russia will destroy everything.


Yes na. Old US tech and in over a year, Russia can't capture Ukraine a country of about 40Million people. Ukraine's successful counter offensive that saw them reclaim Kherson and Kharkiv, they had little NATO weapons, now they have a significant portion, Just relax and witness the offensive.

Maybe you should join mercenaries on the side of Russia, so you can assist Russia in destroying them na😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. maybe you think say na Call of Duty
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 2:51pm On May 24, 2023
dreamxhaser:


I wad reading everyones comment on a nutral ground but you just dropped a blumder and i have to correct you for it.

Russia hasnt started anything in ukrine bro, this is more like a militray excercise. Do you know what "All out war" means?

This is already an all out war, Russia isn't holding back in Ukraine. They are using everything they have bar Nuclear weapons which Putin won't dare to use, cos of internal and external consequences. As long as conventionally warfare is concerned, Russia is fighting with all they have. is there any weapon system Russia is yet to use in Ukraine? None

The performance of the Russian Army has shocked everyone even themselves, they are not as strong as we thought and it's logical, we equated the strength of the USSR to Russia, and Russia isn't the USSR.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 3:00pm On May 24, 2023
Adjovi:



Because the problem as always been the USA. They are the problem of the world..... Lol so the USA just blocked Cuba and that's all shey? What of the aspect where they threatened to nuke Cuba? .... Russia has not even started yet. You can read about Aleppo in Syria then you will truly know that Russia has not started. Even NATO knows Russia has not started with Ukraine. Besides how many military base does USA have outside USA?


You are finding it hard to believe this is all Russia has to offer in this war😂😂😂😂😂. Aleppo isn't Ukraine, Ukraine is Aleppo. Ukraine has better weapon systems and better leadership. Russia tried the carpet bombing everywhere, but Air Defenses and bunkers has reduced the effects. And the West is bankrolling them.

Russia has started in Ukraine, It's the West/US that hasn't started yet. when they get serious we would all know.

I don't want to talk bout the effect of the war on Russia's economy and influence, in the medium/long term we would witness it ourselves.

Just keep following the war, and stop believing that only the Russia MOD is telling the correct events. in time all would unfold
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 3:01pm On May 24, 2023
Kingsnairaland:


UN sent a man to find out if truly there were weapons of mass destruction lol in Iraq and he came back and said no weapons like that exist there

And USA killed him fixed his death as suicide lol.

Okay. But Ukraine is winning sha
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Antiochus(m): 3:18pm On May 24, 2023
Tiopii:


Okay. But Ukraine is winning sha

Honestly Ukraine is winning o. I just heard Ukrainian forces have entered Russia and seized the Kremlin and even taken back Crimea. These Ukrainian forces strike with lightning speed mehn.

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