Welcome, Guest: Register On Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / New
Stats: 3,162,417 members, 7,850,475 topics. Date: Tuesday, 04 June 2024 at 10:13 PM

The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall - Foreign Affairs (6) - Nairaland

Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Politics / Foreign Affairs / The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall (3642 Views)

Fmr. Russia President, Medvedev Replies Elon Musk's 2022 Tweet About Bakhmut / 'Bakhmut Is Down' - Russia Captures Bakhmut City In Ukraine (Photo) / Driver β€˜rams Israeli Checkpoint’ As Deadly Violence Engulfs The West Bank( Pics) (2) (3) (4)

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (Reply) (Go Down)

Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by coke75: 7:00pm On May 29, 2023
The world is going to become more bipolar or tripolar. And Russia will have no part in it.
Russia will be Chinas b***.

The only 3 big players are the US, China and EU. EU has the problem of not being a single political entity.

2 Likes

Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by aumeehn: 7:34pm On May 29, 2023
Tiopii:




The same way the US was wrong in Iraq, Libya and other places is how Russia is wrong in Ukraine. simple

whether the US is printing $$ shouldn't be your concern and how the choose to spend the money.

De dollarization is just an online sensation, but you don't have to believe. Nations can decide to trade with their currency, nice idea, but it won't affect the place of dollars as long as the US has the biggest economy and is supported by the G7.

Even if dollar falls, it'd never come down to the level of Yuan or ruble.

The Frozen assets is already gone, Russia can hustle for another and keep in China/Asia.

Funny you think the economy of China and Russia and some regional economies would outplay the US/West Economy.

China needs the West more than the West needs China, and Russia needs China more than China needs Russia.

China would also act in self interest, same reason they are not providing any military aid to Russia, they won't be sanctioned for Russia's crimes and I hope you know China is abiding by the West sanctions on Russia.

Next 50 years, Dollars would still be relevant
stop dodging my questions na. Give me proofs of Russian repressive laws
Russian winter offensive that was stalled in Bhakmut and the Kharkiv and Kherson Map. If you cant come forward with proofs it shows that you are a liar and a dumbo! Dont stop running away from my question

1 Like

Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by aumeehn: 7:35pm On May 29, 2023
Tiopii:



Russia also recruiting join them first na. And where in Africa are they recruiting?

Let Russia attack NATO, despite what the US has done is million miles ahead of what Putin is doing.

Iran is already under sanctions, and the US wants to weaken Russias war efforts and ability. US made their position very clear and Iran picked a side.

The deployment of nukes in Belarus doesn't affect the US, Russia/Belarus would never ever send nukes towards the US and those nukes are for show and Russia still controls them. The US is simply against nuclear weapons proliferation for a safer Earth. we need less Nuclear weapons in the World.

Ukraine said Patriotic intercepted hypersonic, arguing here doesn't change the fact, Ukraine don't need any reason to lie, and by now it should be obvious the West is studying Russia weapons and creating strategy to curb their weapon threats. Except you think Russia still possess weapons they are yet to use.

If Russia like they should send Nuclear weapons to S. Africa, Iran, Iraq, Libya etc.

Just focus on the Russia/Ukraine war and leave the US. Russia has defeated Ukraine, it's the US they looking at😭

As if only Russia posses Nuclear weapons
you join them first since you are their slave.
Give me proofs abeg. Its almost 48hrs i busted your lying ass and you are busy dodging. Come forward with proofs or continue with your useless banter and beer parlor argument. Its obvious you are a local champion

1 Like 1 Share

Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Adjovi: 8:13pm On May 29, 2023
Tiopii:


πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ€£πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ Russia should allow Ukraine forge ties with whoever they want, if Russia really wants a multipolar world abeg..



Usa can start too bye allowing Cuba , Mexico etc to forge alliance with whom the want too then we will know they want a multipolar world order too....
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Adjovi: 8:16pm On May 29, 2023
coke75:
The world is going to become more bipolar or tripolar. And Russia will have no part in it.
Russia will be Chinas b***.

The only 3 big players are the US, China and EU. EU has the problem of not being a single political entity.



There's no part of history or world order where Russia is not needed grin grin dey there dey mumu yourself. The only ones what will miss out is the EU and they will make their own ties stronger when dey do away with the USA which will soon happen .


Russia na one continent on him own, they can do without anybody and still be perfectly ok

4 Likes 1 Share

Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by coke75: 8:28pm On May 29, 2023
keep dreaming
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by olugabbie(m): 6:37am On May 30, 2023
coke75:
keep dreaming


I don't think there is any country that can survive on it own. Not even the US. Russia is substituting the West for the global south.

She needs partners for export and import.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Kingsnairaland(m): 7:57am On May 30, 2023
olugabbie:



I don't think there is any country that can survive on it own. Not even the US. Russia is substituting the West for the global south.

She needs partners for export and import.
every one can survive on their own

Rather to improve or grow in other areas you may need others

But to survive independently I think we can on our own.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by coke75: 11:27am On May 30, 2023
olugabbie:



I don't think there is any country that can survive on it own. Not even the US. Russia is substituting the West for the global south.

She needs partners for export and import.

There is no country that can succeed without trading partners. The global south will not be able to replace europe as trading partners. They're not as rich, they don't have advanced computer chips and or precision machinery. Russian oil and gas has a lot higher transportation cost to get to brazil, india or china than it is to get to germany/europe.

Europe doesn't want to take russian gas of the global markets. That would lead to big price increases and their own economies too much. They want to force russia to sell their gas & oil at a lower price.
For example, if Russia sells its oil & gas to India at a discount and India resells it to europe as a middlemen, indias profit is money russia is losing.

Russia can sign as many trade agreements with India, China or the Global South as they want. That doesn't mean that companies in those countries are actually going to trade with them. For big international companies, access to western markets is way more important than access to russian markets. Not long ago, the EU and the US were fighting over sanctions against Iran. Trump withdraw from the nuclear deal, the EU wanted to keep the deal going. Europe tried to keep trading with Iran, but they couldn't. So no matter what europe did, european companies refused to trade with Iran. They were too scared of losing access to US markets because the US is way more important to them than Iran.
If you look at the trade balance between China and Russia it has decreased since the war begun. China and Russia are trading less, not more. Chinese companies are trading less with Russia now than they did before the war for the same reasons EU companies stopped trading with Iran. Big international chinese companies are more concerned about losing access to US and EU markets than they are about losing access to the russian market.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 8:48pm On May 31, 2023
Adjovi:



Usa can start too bye allowing Cuba , Mexico etc to forge alliance with whom the want too then we will know they want a multipolar world order too....

It is Russia not US that's claiming to want a multipolar world.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 8:53pm On May 31, 2023
aumeehn:
you join them first since you are their slave.
Give me proofs abeg. Its almost 48hrs i busted your lying ass and you are busy dodging. Come forward with proofs or continue with your useless banter and beer parlor argument. Its obvious you are a local champion

Time would tell, I'm not in a hurry. You don't have to believe it to be real.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Adjovi: 8:53pm On May 31, 2023
Tiopii:


It is Russia not US that's claiming to want a multipolar world.



You said it's USA that wants it above . Why you just dey jump up and down cheesy grin cheesy cheesy

1 Like

Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Adjovi: 8:57pm On May 31, 2023
Tiopii:


It is Russia not US that's claiming to want a multipolar world.


Let me even agree with you on this. So Cuba does not have the right to partner with anyone she wants?

1 Like

Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 9:02pm On May 31, 2023
Adjovi:




You said it's USA that wants it above . Why you just dey jump up and down cheesy grin cheesy cheesy


Me?? Pls rest
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 9:04pm On May 31, 2023
Adjovi:



Let me even agree with you on this. So Cuba does not have the right to partner with anyone she wants?

They can, and the US never invaded Cuba or planned to annex their territory.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 9:30pm On May 31, 2023
aumeehn:
stop dodging my questions na. Give me proofs of Russian repressive laws
Russian winter offensive that was stalled in Bhakmut and the Kharkiv and Kherson Map. If you cant come forward with proofs it shows that you are a liar and a dumbo! Dont stop running away from my question

If you believe everything I wrote are lies, and you claim to be following the war, I really don't think I should be providing facts when you rather forge ignorance and argue instead
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by aumeehn: 12:15am On Jun 01, 2023
Tiopii:


If you believe everything I wrote are lies, and you claim to be following the war, I really don't think I should be providing facts when you rather forge ignorance and argue instead
stop beating about the bush and come forward with proofs! That's how you will be lying to your local friends feeling fly. Give me proofs of Russian occupation of Donbass before march 2022. You recently started following happenings and you are already feeling like Don jazzy after all you know nothing. I am done replying you, it seems you are just a robot that's here to spread western propaganda. Lol Russia making repressive laws cus they are loosing the war.

2 Likes

Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by coke75: 2:17am On Jun 01, 2023
aumeehn:
stop beating about the bush and come forward with proofs! That's how you will be lying to your local friends feeling fly. Give me proofs of Russian occupation of Donbass before march 2022. You recently started following happenings and you are already feeling like Don jazzy after all you know nothing. I am done replying you, it seems you are just a robot that's here to spread western propaganda. Lol Russia making repressive laws cus they are loosing the war.
There is tons of evidence for russian troops and wagner in donbass from 2014 onwards. It's just that you don't care. You're a troll and media illiterate.

But for those readers who are interested:
https://ilovaisk.forensic-architecture.org/

Russia covertly supported the separatists with troops and weaponry. It only admitted sending "military specialists", but later acknowledged the separatists as Russian combat veterans.

https://meduza.io/en/news/2023/04/20/state-duma-passes-law-giving-wagner-mercenaries-combat-veteran-status
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by aumeehn: 7:46am On Jun 01, 2023
coke75:

There is tons of evidence for russian troops and wagner in donbass from 2014 onwards. It's just that you don't care. You're a troll and media illiterate.

But for those readers who are interested:
https://ilovaisk.forensic-architecture.org/

Russia covertly supported the separatists with troops and weaponry. It only admitted sending "military specialists", but later acknowledged the separatists as Russian combat veterans.

https://meduza.io/en/news/2023/04/20/state-duma-passes-law-giving-wagner-mercenaries-combat-veteran-status

mumu give me proofs of Russian occupation of Donbass before March 2022 not alleged occupation from your msm!
Same sh!t that spread the news of Russian Army running out of fuel and food fighting with sticks and shovels

2 Likes

Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Adjovi: 9:16am On Jun 01, 2023
Tiopii:


They can, and the US never invaded Cuba or planned to annex their territory.


Lol so what did they do that made Cuba withdraw from the USSR partnership? You can read up Cuba missile crisis and get back to me grin grin grin grin cheesy

1 Like

Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 11:39am On Jun 01, 2023
Adjovi:



Lol so what did they do that made Cuba withdraw from the USSR partnership? You can read up Cuba missile crisis and get back to me grin grin grin grin cheesy


It wasn't Cuba that withdrew, it was the USSR.

US diplomacy>>>>>
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 11:41am On Jun 01, 2023
Adjovi:



There's no part of history or world order where Russia is not needed grin grin dey there dey mumu yourself. The only ones what will miss out is the EU and they will make their own ties stronger when dey do away with the USA which will soon happen .


Russia na one continent on him own, they can do without anybody and still be perfectly ok


Relevancy get levels sha
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 12:05pm On Jun 01, 2023
coke75:

There is tons of evidence for russian troops and wagner in donbass from 2014 onwards. It's just that you don't care. You're a troll and media illiterate.

But for those readers who are interested:
https://ilovaisk.forensic-architecture.org/

Russia covertly supported the separatists with troops and weaponry. It only admitted sending "military specialists", but later acknowledged the separatists as Russian combat veterans.

https://meduza.io/en/news/2023/04/20/state-duma-passes-law-giving-wagner-mercenaries-combat-veteran-status


Bro, leave this one, as you rightly said na troll and media illiterate.

He has no idea bout the events prior to the war, he's just here to act smart and is sensible to people like him.

He doesn't want proofs, he just wants to justify and argue, he has his mind made-up on the "truth".

Don't waste time and data on the fellow.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by coke75: 12:40pm On Jun 01, 2023
aumeehn:
mumu give me proofs of Russian occupation of Donbass before March 2022 not alleged occupation from your msm!
Same sh!t that spread the news of Russian Army running out of fuel and food fighting with sticks and shovels
See you're a troll. You don't care about evidence. This is not MSM, these are non-profits investigative organisation. None of what I've posted is MSM. There no evidence you would ever accept, the first link has literally tons of photographic evidence. The russian state has gives veteran/disability status to soldiers and wagner fighters who have been fighting in donbass since 2014. You don't care any of this, you're a waste of time.
It's not important what a low IQ troglodyte like you thinks, I'm aware that your lizard brain can't process information, it's not for you. It's for the smarter, passive readers of this forum.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Adjovi: 4:21pm On Jun 01, 2023
Tiopii:



Relevancy get levels sha


Russia is a whole content in him own. They are needed
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Adjovi: 4:22pm On Jun 01, 2023
Tiopii:



It wasn't Cuba that withdrew, it was the USSR.

US diplomacy>>>>>


Like I said read up the Cuba missile crisis first and stop yarning dust bro. Ignorance is no excuse educate yourself. Read about it and stop saying things you have no idea about.
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by aumeehn: 12:12am On Jun 02, 2023
coke75:

See you're a troll. You don't care about evidence. This is not MSM, these are non-profits investigative organisation. None of what I've posted is MSM. There no evidence you would ever accept, the first link has literally tons of photographic evidence. The russian state has gives veteran/disability status to soldiers and wagner fighters who have been fighting in donbass since 2014. You don't care any of this, you're a waste of time.
It's not important what a low IQ troglodyte like you thinks, I'm aware that your lizard brain can't process information, it's not for you. It's for the smarter, passive readers of this forum.
when was wagner formed and with how many personnel? Mumu Russia never occupied Donbass before march 2022. Western asslicker how is the counteroffensive preparations going?
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by kad199: 10:18am On Nov 24, 2023
Tiopii:


Fight don finish? Is Bakmut the last junction? Took Russia over 7 months to capture Bakmut and you think Russia has arrived. Russia's attack potential has reached the peak, and Ukraine's counter offensive would be starting soon.

Wagner would be withdrawing soon and you think it's a victory?? Only Wagner claim to have captured Bakmut and this isn't the first time we're hearing them saying it.

Russia as it stands can't conduct any meaningful offensive and with the Russia regular coming in, no one expects it to last, Russia would try to slow down the counter offensive as much as possible. hopefully the new American toys would help out alot
Hello how did Ukraine counter offense go?
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Tiopii: 7:04am On Nov 27, 2023
kad199:
Hello how did Ukraine counter offense go?

Ask the commander of the Black sea fleet
Re: The Fall Of Bakhmut | The West Is In A Difficult Position After Bakhmout Fall by Somilat: 6:36pm On Nov 27, 2023
Tiopii:


Ask the commander of the Black sea fleet
what is his answer?

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (Reply)

Fashion At King Charles III Coronation: What The Guests Wore / America Is Finnished.the Humiliating Moment Iran Arrested Us Sailors. / Does NATO Stand A Chance In A War Against Russia?

Viewing this topic: 1 guest(s)

(Go Up)

Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health
religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket

Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10)

Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 69
Disclaimer: Every Nairaland member is solely responsible for anything that he/she posts or uploads on Nairaland.