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Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Raf4: 8:21pm On Jun 30, 2023
Have you utilised up to 30% of the riverport you have at onitsha? Now, you are talking of jumping over Rivers State or flying over Akwa-Ibom state to build an imaginary seaport.
Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Raf4: 8:24pm On Jun 30, 2023
Typing:
South EAST is landlocked. They have no access to the Sea. How will Ships access that Region?

They will drill a bore-hole pass under Rivers State to connect Atlantic ocean 😆 🤣

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Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Gajagojo: 8:31pm On Jun 30, 2023
proeast:


Ignorance shouldn't be celebrated. All you need is a big river that is connected to a sea. There are several of such Rivers in Igboland that are close to Atlantic ocean.

Most ports that were built in Nigeria weren't built on the shore, they were built inland. Including the ones in Lagos, Rivers, and Delta etc.

Go back to secondary school, kiddo.

But they are connected to the sea through rivers passing through other states

States like rivers. That will have a say over traffic through their territory and a veto over any dredging in their space

Those down stream states will bear the brunt of environmental impact of dredging e.g flooding,ecosystem damage.

Imagine if Niger republic or Burkina Faso made the same argument after all the River Niger runs through their territory
Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by kettykin: 8:39pm On Jun 30, 2023
There are6 river ports that are superiorto Lagos in apapa, lekki and badagry in infrastructure, volume of transactionsand anesthetics


Why we await the 2 first class economists, former super bankers and now super governors of Anambra and Abia state on the way forward to the building of ports in Niger River and opobo River and openingup the eastern maritime economy, below is the comparison of River ports of the world to Lagos ports.

Several river ports around the world handle significant amounts of cargo far more than some deep sea ports like the Apapa port in lagos and are considered among the busiest. Here are a few examples:

Port of Shanghai (China): The Port of Shanghai, located at the mouth of the Yangtze River in China, is the busiest container port in the world. It serves as a major hub for international trade and handles a massive volume of cargo.

Port of Singapore (Singapore): While not solely a river port, the Port of Singapore is strategically located along the Singapore Strait, which connects to the Malacca Strait. It is one of the world's busiest ports and serves as a crucial transshipment hub for goods moving between the Indian Ocean and the Pacific Ocean.

Port of Rotterdam (Netherlands): Situated on the Rhine River and serving as an outlet to the North Sea, the Port of Rotterdam is Europe's largest and one of the world's busiest river ports. It handles a significant amount of cargo, including containers, petroleum products, and bulk commodities.

Port of Hamburg (Germany): The Port of Hamburg, located on the River Elbe in Germany, is one of Europe's busiest river ports and a vital hub for trade in the region. It handles various types of cargo, including containers, bulk goods, and general cargo.

Port of New Orleans (United States): The Port of New Orleans, located along the Mississippi River in the United States, is a major river port handling a diverse range of commodities. It serves as a crucial gateway for international trade and inland transportation in the United States.

Port of Tianjin (China): Situated on the Hai River in China, the Port of Tianjin is one of the largest and busiest river ports in the world. It serves as a vital gateway for trade in northern China and handles significant container and bulk cargo volumes.

These are just a few examples, and there are other river ports worldwide that handle substantial amounts of cargo and contribute significantly to global trade and transportation and bigger than Lagos ports
Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Raf4: 8:39pm On Jun 30, 2023
proeast:



Abia, Imo and Anambra States all have the potentials to build deep seaports that can berth large vessels comfortably! Before anyone decides to argue blindly, here are the facts on ground about ports in Nigeria and their positions:

1. Ibaka, Akwa Ibom state; 30 miles to Atlantic.
2. Lagos State; 50 miles to Atlantic.
3. P.H, Rivers State; 50 miles to Atlantic.
4. Onne, Rivers State; 60 miles to Atlantic.

Now compare all these ports to those in SE:
1. Osemoto, Imo State; 18 miles to Atlantic.
2. Oseakwa, Anambra state; 18 miles to Atlantic.
3. Obuaku, Abia State; 25 miles to Atlantic.


The most intriguing part is that the designated ports in Osemoto/Oseakwa axis offer the deepest natural ports as well as the closest to Atlantic, thereby making them potentially the most viable and easiest to maintain in Nigeria!

Can you disprove any of the facts above? Or you just want to hate as usual?

Just imagine Sango-Ota, Ikorodu, Mowe/Ibafo claiming they have access to the ocean, according to your line of reasoning 😳
Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Arapmoi22: 8:40pm On Jun 30, 2023
gidgiddy:
I dont know what some people are arguing about. Do you need to have a shoreline to have access to the sea? No you dont. London is no where near the sea but London handles large vessels through the River Thames that runs through London to the sea

The Suez canal below is just a canal, not even big as a River. Yet the Suez canal handles the largest ships in the world

So it is really funny when people still think that you must have coastline before you can have access to sea

1. London City Airport is about 50 km from the estuarine mouth of River Thame as it empties into the North Atlantic.
2. The Tidal flow from the North Atlantic still flows almost 28 kms upstream into River Thame.
3. Mentioning River Thames means if it is not at the shore of North Atlantic (within the area influenced by Tidal flow at River Thame estuary), It is automatically not a seaport.
4. If you agree that the port is not within the Coastal estuary (i.e Mulberry Harbour or Canvey island area), dont call them seaport. I agree with you if you call it a River Port. Yes, it is Navigable to small Boats and Ships.

5. Suez Canal is purely an International business route depended upon by the whole of World.
6. Europe, Middle east, Far east, North African countries cut off weeks of navigation by using that 150km long canal.
7. It generates billions of dollars ROI because it is a solution to the whole world navigational problem.
8. It cannot be compared to the dredging of River Niger and Cross River with far less ROI.
10. However, I support South East to see the possibility of River Ports that can support Boats and small ships. But I beg you to stop this your yeye Seaport. It is not too late to call it a slip of finger.

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Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by kettykin: 8:40pm On Jun 30, 2023
Gajagojo:


But they are connected to the sea through rivers passing through other states

States like rivers. That will have a say over traffic through their territory and a veto over any dredging in their space

Those down stream states will bear the brunt of environmental impact of dredging e.g flooding,ecosystem damage.

Imagine if Niger republic of Burkina Faso made the same argument after all the River Niger runs through their territory
.they are co owners of the river and stake holders. Just the same way we have 3 countries as stake holders and Co owners of Lake Chad
Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Typing: 8:50pm On Jun 30, 2023
Raf4:


They will drill a bore-hole pass under Rivers State to connect Atlantic ocean 😆 🤣

Kikikikikikiki grin grin

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Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by YorubaNinja: 8:58pm On Jun 30, 2023
proeast:


How old are you? Why not learn from others since you're ignorant?

SE has some of the best access to the sea than most other regions in Nigeria!

Imo and Anambra States have arguebly the best natural ports with close proximity to Atlantic ocean.

Your parents thought you guys how to hate but you mustn't grow with it.


BIA-FURO Savages! grin

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Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by YorubaNinja: 8:59pm On Jun 30, 2023
proeast:
I expect Yorubas to be in support of this so that Igbos can free Lagos for them. But I'm surprised that some of them are hating again.

As long as Igbos are forced to gather in Lagos because of the ports, the city will remain choked up.

You know Igbos are aggressive capitalists, so you will always struggle against them and when you're outsmarted, it breeds envy and hate.

Thinking thru ur anus as usual, BIA-FURO Savage! grin

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Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Raf4: 9:01pm On Jun 30, 2023
mrvitalis:

Name one Nigerian port that's on the sea I dare you

So you want to build your seaport on top of Ijaw land or on top of Ibibio land? Or how do you access the ocean without getting to Rivers or Akwa-Ibom state first? 🤔
Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by mrvitalis(m): 9:07pm On Jun 30, 2023
Raf4:


So you want to build your seaport on top of Ijaw land or on top of Ibibio land? Or how do you access the ocean without getting to Rivers or Akwa-Ibom state first? 🤔
And what's wrong if we pass ijaw waters? Is it a crime?
Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Gajagojo: 9:38pm On Jun 30, 2023
kettykin:
There are6 river ports that are superiorto Lagos in apapa, lekki and badagry in infrastructure, volume of transactionsand anesthetics


Why we await the 2 first class economists, former super bankers and now super governors of Anambra and Abia state on the way forward to the building of ports in Niger River and opobo River and openingup the eastern maritime economy, below is the comparison of River ports of the world to Lagos ports.

Several river ports around the world handle significant amounts of cargo far more than some deep sea ports like the Apapa port in lagos and are considered among the busiest. Here are a few examples:

Port of Shanghai (China): The Port of Shanghai, located at the mouth of the Yangtze River in China, is the busiest container port in the world. It serves as a major hub for international trade and handles a massive volume of cargo.

Port of Singapore (Singapore): While not solely a river port, the Port of Singapore is strategically located along the Singapore Strait, which connects to the Malacca Strait. It is one of the world's busiest ports and serves as a crucial transshipment hub for goods moving between the Indian Ocean and the Pacific Ocean.

Port of Rotterdam (Netherlands): Situated on the Rhine River and serving as an outlet to the North Sea, the Port of Rotterdam is Europe's largest and one of the world's busiest river ports. It handles a significant amount of cargo, including containers, petroleum products, and bulk commodities.

Port of Hamburg (Germany): The Port of Hamburg, located on the River Elbe in Germany, is one of Europe's busiest river ports and a vital hub for trade in the region. It handles various types of cargo, including containers, bulk goods, and general cargo.

Port of New Orleans (United States): The Port of New Orleans, located along the Mississippi River in the United States, is a major river port handling a diverse range of commodities. It serves as a crucial gateway for international trade and inland transportation in the United States.

Port of Tianjin (China): Situated on the Hai River in China, the Port of Tianjin is one of the largest and busiest river ports in the world. It serves as a vital gateway for trade in northern China and handles significant container and bulk cargo volumes.

These are just a few examples, and there are other river ports worldwide that handle substantial amounts of cargo and contribute significantly to global trade and transportation and bigger than Lagos ports

The issue is not River or not

The issue is right of at or access

You wasted so many words talking off point

The issue is does one entity control The entire length of the River BY LAW

Can Anambra state initiate dredging in Rivers or Bayelsa states

That is the issue. We operate a federal system

So all that nonsense about China has no relevance here

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Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Gajagojo: 9:38pm On Jun 30, 2023
mrvitalis:

And what's wrong if we pass ijaw waters? Is it a crime?

Nothing wrong but they must agree. It is not a right to dredge their waters

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Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Raf4: 9:42pm On Jun 30, 2023
mrvitalis:

And what's wrong if we pass ijaw waters? Is it a crime?

Go and face them na.
Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Daytonbale: 9:47pm On Jun 30, 2023
I hate it when fg gives Lagos the monopoly in sea port as if the south south and southeast are landlocked

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Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Lifestone(m): 9:48pm On Jun 30, 2023
proeast:



Abia, Imo and Anambra States all have the potentials to build deep seaports that can berth large vessels comfortably! Before anyone decides to argue blindly, here are the facts on ground about ports in Nigeria and their positions:

1. Ibaka, Akwa Ibom state; 30 miles to Atlantic.
2. Lagos State; 50 miles to Atlantic.
3. P.H, Rivers State; 50 miles to Atlantic.
4. Onne, Rivers State; 60 miles to Atlantic.

Now compare all these ports to those in SE:
1. Osemoto, Imo State; 18 miles to Atlantic.
2. Oseakwa, Anambra state; 18 miles to Atlantic.
3. Obuaku, Abia State; 25 miles to Atlantic.


The most intriguing part is that the designated ports in Osemoto/Oseakwa axis offer the deepest natural ports as well as the closest to Atlantic, thereby making them potentially the most viable and easiest to maintain in Nigeria!

Can you disprove any of the facts above? Or you just want to hate as usual?
Problem here is that you have to dredge river Niger or any of her tribute to be able to do so and also passed through the South South Region. You didn't disclose this in your analysis
Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by BentizilL: 9:52pm On Jun 30, 2023
Daytonbale:
I hate it when fg gives Lagos the monopoly in sea port as if the south south and southeast are landlocked
Nobody give anyone monopoly, fg is not holding you from using SS seaport... 🤷

Stop claiming victim, it's irritating...
Meanwhile who dash SE seaport?? undecided

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Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Daytonbale: 9:57pm On Jun 30, 2023
proeast:
Over the years, there has been arguments and politicization on the need to build viable seaports in the SE. However, it has become an urgent need now. With the removal of fuel subsidy, any region that is capable of landing fuel directly will become more viable than others. Fuel is cheapest in Lagos and most expensive in NE because of this factor. Also, Lagos needs to breath instead of the current suffocation there. Once there is a viable competition to Lagos, tension in that city will reduce. NC and NE will also benefit because it will make fuel and other imports cheaper in those regions.

Abia, Imo and Anambra States all have the potentials to build deep seaports that can berth large vessels comfortably! [/b]Before anyone decides to argue blindly, here are the facts on ground about ports in Nigeria and their positions:

[b]1. Ibaka, Akwa Ibom state; 30 miles to Atlantic.
2. Lagos State; 50 miles to Atlantic.
3. P.H, Rivers State; 50 miles to Atlantic.
4. Onne, Rivers State; 60 miles to Atlantic.

Now compare all these ports to those in SE:
1. Osemoto, Imo State; 18 miles to Atlantic.
2. Oseakwa, Anambra state; 18 miles to Atlantic.
3. Obuaku, Abia State; 25 miles to Atlantic.


The most intriguing part is that the designated ports in Osemoto/Oseakwa axis offer the deepest natural ports as well as the closest to Atlantic, thereby making them potentially the most viable and easiest to maintain in Nigeria!

Any state in the SE that first builds a viable port will automatically become the richest in the region, but also one of the richest states in Nigeria.

kindly explain how Imo and Anambra is 18 Miles to Atlantic ocean and Ibaka in Akwa ibom is 30 miles to Atlantic ocean

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Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Arapmoi22: 9:57pm On Jun 30, 2023
mrvitalis:

And what's wrong if we pass ijaw waters? Is it a crime?

Then nothing is Wrong if Cross River State chose to dam the cross river at Itigidi to generate power for cross river state which automatically gives them the control on the quantity of water that flows downstream.

What this means is any River port at Afikpo will be at the mercy of the flow from the Atigidi Dam Upstream.

Lesson: No one can take unilateral decision in what affects more than him/her.
Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Arapmoi22: 9:58pm On Jun 30, 2023
Daytonbale:
kindly explain how Imo and Anambra is 18 Miles to Atlantic ocean and Ibaka in Akwa ibom is 30 miles to Atlantic ocean

Leave him in his massive ignorance.
Phooling himself everywhere.

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Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by mrvitalis(m): 10:15pm On Jun 30, 2023
Arapmoi22:


Then nothing is Wrong if Cross River State chose to dam the cross river at Itigidi to generate power for cross river state which automatically gives them the control on the quantity of water that flows downstream.

What this means is any River port at Afikpo will be at the mercy of the flow from the Atigidi Dam Upstream.

Lesson: No one can take unilateral decision in what affects more than him/her.
So your point exactly? IMO River has a port on onne did Akwa ibom complain?
Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by mrvitalis(m): 10:16pm On Jun 30, 2023
Gajagojo:


Nothing wrong but they must agree. It is not a right to dredge their waters
This is one Nigeria, secondly I don't see why they would have a single problem with it.. I see zero reason
Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Gajagojo: 10:22pm On Jun 30, 2023
mrvitalis:

This is one Nigeria, secondly I don't see why they would have a single problem with it.. I see zero reason

You won't because you are limited in brain power but you don't matter not really
Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Arapmoi22: 10:42pm On Jun 30, 2023
mrvitalis:

So your point exactly? IMO River has a port on onne did Akwa ibom complain?

[b]Uncle, stop displaying ignorance.

1. Imo Rivers did not pass through Onne.

2. Assuming it does, since it is a River that formed a natural boundary btw Rivers and Akwa Ibom state, you can only build a massive infrastructure on it with the knowledge of your neighboring state because of Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA).

3. Onne is South of PH city, after Onne, every landmass or water downstream fall within Rivers State up to the Bonny Island. In that case rivers state needs no permission from no other state apart from NIMASA or FG regulating bodies.

4. However, South East cannot decide what to do with Imo River without the approval of both Rivers and Akwa Ibom because you can't access the ocean without them.

5. On river Niger, You need Delta, Rivers and Bayelsa to consent.

6. On Cross river, you need both cross river state and Akwa Ibom to consent. That is why we were laughing at OP when he said seaport.

7. So, let us stop talking shallow as if we are in beer parlor.[/b]

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Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by Styluss: 10:46pm On Jun 30, 2023
OP I stand to be corrected, I checked the map of Nigeria keenly and still couldnt see any SE states being bounded with the Atlantic ocean. Are you saying your states will reach a consensus with the neighboring SS States?
Or deep sea ports no longer need the ocean? I'm confused here

proeast:
Over the years, there has been arguments and politicization on the Any state in the SE that first builds a viable port will automatically become the richest in the region, but also one of the richest states in Nigeria.

Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by LajaLaba: 11:58pm On Jun 30, 2023
Funny people grin
Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by AwkaFinest: 4:44am On Jul 01, 2023
proeast:


Study the two maps below critically. You will see that Obuaku is at the southern tip of Abia state, at the boundary between Abia, Akwa Ibom and Rivers.

The Imo river that flows from it is what forms the boundary between these states. This section is closer than both Onne and P.H port to Atlantic ocean.




Did you see me mentioning Abia?
I'm talking of Imo and Anambra.




You guys should stop disgracing ndi Igbo. Bikonu!
Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by AwkaFinest: 4:52am On Jul 01, 2023
mrvitalis:

So your point exactly? IMO River has a port on onne did Akwa ibom complain?


Imo river has a port in Onne?
Wonders shall never end. What concerns Onne with Imo river?
Re: Why SE Must Build A Seaport Now by gidgiddy: 5:37am On Jul 01, 2023
Arapmoi22:


1. London City Airport is about 50 km from the estuarine mouth of River Thame as it empties into the North Atlantic.
2. The Tidal flow from the North Atlantic still flows almost 28 kms upstream into River Thame.
3. Mentioning River Thames means if it is not at the shore of North Atlantic (within the area influenced by Tidal flow at River Thame estuary), It is automatically not a seaport.
4. If you agree that the port is not within the Coastal estuary (i.e Mulberry Harbour or Canvey island area), dont call them seaport. I agree with you if you call it a River Port. Yes, it is Navigable to small Boats and Ships.

5. Suez Canal is purely an International business route depended upon by the whole of World.
6. Europe, Middle east, Far east, North African countries cut off weeks of navigation by using that 150km long canal.
7. It generates billions of dollars ROI because it is a solution to the whole world navigational problem.
8. It cannot be compared to the dredging of River Niger and Cross River with far less ROI.
10. However, I support South East to see the possibility of River Ports that can support Boats and small ships. But I beg you to stop this your yeye Seaport. It is not too late to call it a slip of finger.

As has been said in this thread, there are areas in the South East that are closer to the ocean than the existing sea ports in Nigeria. Wether you call it sea port or River port, what is paramount is that there is access to the sea. If Obuaku in Abia State is only 25 nautical miles to the Ocean, but Lagos sea port is 50 nautical miles, why do you then call Lagos a sea port, but want me to call Obuaku that is half the distance to the sea, a River port?

That doesn't make sense does it?

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