SIONKPO1:

Those are APC strongholds.
APC lost grounds because of;
1.Political
Awareness of indigenes
2.Arrogance of Abdullahi Adamu
3.Bad Leadership of A.A Sule
4.Infighting amongst APC gladiators(Wadada,Almakura,Adamu etc
5.Wicked and poor leadership of GMB

I still don't think sule lost.you saw how apc lost zamfara

garfield1:


You can't win them.even if he wins in court,they would find a way to take him out.

Yeah. Like they did Patrick Yakowa in Kaduna State.

But God has a way of showing men that he’s above them.

Do you know what the Islamic Establishment planned to achieve under Buhari? Those guys had wild and dirty plans but someway somehow, everything hit the brick wall and Buhari even got tired and gave up.

Same way Tinubu and his men thought they had things figured out. That after he’s declared by INEC, people will just make noise for some days and move on. They never anticipated the level of pushback and opposition that has greeted Tinubu that has continually kept them on the defensive since Tinubu got into office.

Again, you people never envisaged the Niger coup that has come to cause more embarrassment to Tinubu in the international community, starting from our backyard here. That the Niger junta will be disrespecting him because they perceive him as illegitimate.

Now, all the stakeholders in the Nigerian project must have realized that if Nigeria will be saved further embarrassment, Tinubu would have to go or the entire West Africa goes in disarray.

That’s how God works sometimes, and that’s how he might work in Nasarawa.

garfield1:


You mean Lp

But when is the Tribunal judgement, do you know if they have given a date?

Penguin2:

How?

Did you read both Tinubu, INEC and APC’s final written address?

Three of them avoided the Osun judgment like a plague but chose rather to cite judgements as far back as 1979.

If Osun judgement favoured them, why did they not dwell on it or use it sufficiently?

Please Do you know When the Tribunal judgement will hold?

DaTruths:


Please Do you know When the Tribunal judgement will hold?

No one knows yet.

Some people have mentioned it might be next week but it is still in the realm of rumours.

Penguin2:

Yeah. Like they did Patrick Yakowa in Kaduna State.

But God has a way of showing men that he’s above them.

Do you know what the Islamic Establishment planned to achieve under Buhari? Those guys had wild and dirty plans but someway somehow, everything hit the brick wall and Buhari even got tired and gave up.

Same way Tinubu and his men thought they had things figured out. That after he’s declared by INEC, people will just make noise for some days and move on. They never anticipated the level of pushback and opposition that has greeted Tinubu that has continually kept them on the defensive since Tinubu got into office.

Again, you people never envisaged the Niger coup that has come to cause more embarrassment to Tinubu in the international community, starting from our backyard here. That the Niger junta will be disrespecting him because they perceive him as illegitimate.

Now, all the stakeholders in the Nigerian project must have realized that if Nigeria will be saved further embarrassment, Tinubu would have to go or the entire West Africa goes in disarray.

That’s how God works sometimes, and that’s how he might work in Nasarawa.

Leave religion out of this.the person that would fight them would most likely be affiliated to them not from the opposite camp,a moderate muslim.all these politicians are deep in evil so normally God won't intervene.if he does,he can use someone from the enemy camp to scatter them not necessarily a xtian.

Tinubu did not plan anything,he was always going to beat obi as far as ne nw exist.tinubu is even the best person to rule as he has the influence and is well known across nigetia.he has followers everywhere unlike obi that is sectional.obi would be worst than gej

garfield1:


I still don't think sule lost.you saw how apc lost zamfara

He lost,The Rigging was reduced greatly expectially at Nasarawa,Nasarawa-TOTO and Keffi and their ranks was greatly weakened with the decamping of Wadada to SDP.
Sule is gone,it might be hard to accept but you can ask from a neutral person in Nasarawa or a sincere APC person in the state.

garfield1:




Leave religion out of this.the person that would fight them would most likely be affiliated to them not from the opposite camp,a moderate muslim.all these politicians are deep in evil so normally God won't intervene.if he does,he can use someone from the enemy camp to scatter them not necessarily a xtian.

Tinubu did not plan anything,he was always going to beat obi as far as ne nw exist.tinubu is even the best person to rule as he has the influence and is well known across nigetia.he has followers everywhere unlike obi that is sectional.obi would be worst than gej

I tell you one thing.

Obi is coming!

And he will set Nigeria on the right path including dislodging those you think are immovable.

He did it in Anambra, he will do it in Nigeria.

Penguin2:

I tell you one thing.

Obi is coming!

And he will set Nigeria on the right path including dislodging those you think are immovable.

He did it in Anambra, he will do it in Nigeria.

Obi has lost out sir.anambra is one ethnicity,Nigeria multiple

garfield1:


Obi has lost out sir.anambra is one ethnicity,Nigeria multiple

We will see about that.

Penguin2:

We will see about that.

The problem is in 2027,you will still come and say tinubu will lose

garfield1:


The problem is in 2027,you will still come and say tinubu will lose

Let’s wait for the Tribunal ruling before saying what I will do in 2027.

The truth is that to uphold Tinubu’s declaration is to render the 2022 Electoral Act useless.

But let’s watch.

Penguin2:

Let’s wait for the Tribunal ruling before saying what I will do in 2027.

The truth is that to uphold Tinubu’s declaration is to render the 2022 Electoral Act useless.

But let’s watch.

The electoral act supports his election sir.

garfield1:


The electoral act supports his election sir.

The Electoral Act that said you should transmit results to IREV or another one?

Penguin2:

The Electoral Act that said you should transmit results to IREV or another one?

It says inec should choose which ever one they like.court says inec can transmit anyhow,vary,change.
Secondly,a violation of the act is not enough,you will show how it affected votes and rigging

Fooll-lishh comment !

Benwallt:
Stupid post

garfield1:


It says inec should choose which ever one they like.court says inec can transmit anyhow,vary,change.
Secondly,a violation of the act is not enough,you will show how it affected votes and rigging

You people should stop making yourselves happy with the judgment of lower courts.

The overriding court interpretation of the 2022 electoral law is the Supreme Court judgment in Osun Election. And that judgment recognized the place of BVAS and IREV in result management.

Any other contrary judgment from any lower court amounts to self delusion by whoever is counting on it.

Penguin2:

You people should stop making yourselves happy with the judgment of lower courts.

The overriding court interpretation of the 2022 electoral law is the Supreme Court judgment in Osun Election. And that judgment recognized the place of BVAS and IREV in result management.

Any other contrary judgment from any lower court amounts to self delusion by whoever is counting on it.

It recognized bvas,inec top copies and manual documents as primary evidence

garfield1:


It recognized bvas,inec top copies and manual documents as primary evidence

And IREV as an essential component of result management.

Penguin2:

And IREV as an essential component of result management.

Yes,irev comes into contention when there is discrepancies in figures between inec copies and irev.unfortunately,obi isn't complaining of that,he is saying that 18000 blurred irev copies means no elections or void elections which is a foolish...

I finished collating gayam ward results last night from irev.Apc had 10,500 pdp 2900 nnpp 3200....chiroma will likely have similar results.apc is leading with 60,000.no,minus 20,000 from 60,000 and see the winner

garfield1:


Yes,irev comes into contention when there is discrepancies in figures between inec copies and irev.unfortunately,obi isn't complaining of that,he is saying that 18000 blurred irev copies means no elections or void elections which is a foolish...

I finished collating gayam ward results last night from irev.Apc had 10,500 pdp 2900 nnpp 3200....chiroma will likely have similar results.apc is leading with 60,000.no,minus 20,000 from 60,000 and see the winner

So Obi brought 18,000 blurred results sheet to court and you say he’s not contesting the figures?

Did you read the part where Obi’s lawyers made the calculation that about 2.5million votes is trapped in those blurred results sheet which is enough to offset Tinubu’s winning margin?

Now, with 18,000 blurred IREV result sheets, how do we verify our physical Forms EC8A now that there’s dispute in court?

Penguin2:


So Obi brought 18,000 blurred results sheet to court and you say he’s not contesting the figures?

Did you read the part where Obi’s lawyers made the calculation that about 2.5million votes is trapped in those blurred results sheet which is enough to offset Tinubu’s winning margin?

Now, with 18,000 blurred IREV result sheets, how do we verify our physical Forms EC8A now that there’s dispute in court?

Obi should have confirmed or crosschecked from inec copies or agent copies and not draw conclusions based on just irev.like I said,he is not contesting discrepancies but want cancellations of those units...there must be comparisons before conclusions are drawn.


For nasarawa,pdp claimed to win sabon Geri and ankuwan wards but their agents admitted that there was overvoting there and inec rightly cancelled it

garfield1:


Obi should have confirmed or crosschecked from inec copies or agent copies and not draw conclusions based on just irev.like I said,he is not contesting discrepancies but want cancellations of those units...there must be comparisons before conclusions are drawn.


For nasarawa,pdp claimed to win sabon Geri and ankuwan wards but their agents admitted that there was overvoting there and inec rightly cancelled it

Why would Obi compare anything with what his agents have? Is he INEC that collates results?

And about Nasarawa, forget it, the only thing that will save Sule is some extra-legal factors. If things are left to run their legal course without distortions, Sule is gone.

Penguin2:

Why would Obi compare anything with what his agents have? Is he INEC that collates results?

And about Nasarawa, forget it, the only thing that will save Sule is some extra-legal factors. If things are left to run their legal course without distortions, Sule is gone.

To cancel results of a unit,irev is not enough.it is either through overvoting or you call witnesses who will testify that elections did not hold there.obi never gave any evidence of such.that a result is blurry does not mean there was no election.for you to prove that there was no election,you must do so reasonable....

You have serious,deep seated issues.because of the media cries of pdp,you now believe it is true.i am telling you what is happening in court and you are here talking absolute rubbish.once this election cases end,I will permanently ignore you since you don't want to reason logically.what a fellow.
The other ward pdp complained of was ashige,they said it was cancelled.i just calculated it from irev pdp had 5300 apc 3100.another area pdp complained of was the entire toto lga but the witnesses they called were their agents who are illegal as they were submitted to inec days after the deadline expired and they were not part of the prehearing notices. Cc sionkpo

garfield1:


To cancel results of a unit,irev is not enough.it is either through overvoting or you call witnesses who will testify that elections did not hold there.obi never gave any evidence of such.that a result is blurry does not mean there was no election.for you to prove that there was no election,you must do so reasonable....

The Electoral Act 2022 says that in dispute, IREV result takes precedence.

There’s dispute now and the IREV results that should have taken precedence are blurred, what would you do as a judge?

You have serious,deep seated issues.because of the media cries of pdp,you now believe it is true.i am telling you what is happening in court and you are here talking absolute rubbish.once this election cases end,I will permanently ignore you since you don't want to reason logically.what a fellow.
The other ward pdp complained of was ashige,they said it was cancelled.i just calculated it from irev pdp had 5300 apc 3100.another area pdp complained of was the entire toto lga but the witnesses they called were their agents who are illegal as they were submitted to inec days after the deadline expired and they were not part of the prehearing notices. Cc sionkpo

Look at you relying on technicality of PDP agents not submitted in time to INEC to discredit their witness statements in court and thereby throwing their evidence against APC’s rigging into the trash can.

If they were really submitted outside time, how come INEC accredited them as agents?

Penguin2:

The Electoral Act 2022 says that in dispute, IREV result takes precedence.

There’s dispute now and the IREV results that should have taken precedence are blurred, what would you do as a judge?


Look at you relying on technicality of PDP agents not submitted in time to INEC to discredit their witness statements in court and thereby throwing their evidence against APC’s rigging into the trash can.

If they were really submitted outside time, how come INEC accredited them as agents?

Where during collation of results, there is a dispute regarding a
collated result or the result of an election from any polling unit, the collation
officer or returning officer shall use the following to determine the correctness
of the disputed result


3
Electoral Act, 2022
(a) the original of the disputed collated result for each polling unit where
the election is disputed ;
(b) the smart card reader or other technology device used for accreditation of
voters in each polling unit where the election is disputed for the purpose of obtaining
accreditation data directly from the smart card reader or technology device ;
(c) data of accreditation recorded and transmitted directly from each
polling unit where the election is disputed as prescribed under section 47
(2) of this Act ; and
(d) the votes and result of the election recorded and transmitted directly
from each polling unit where the election is disputed, as prescribed under
section 60 (4) of this Act.
(7) If the disputed result und




Obi failed to follow the above by comparing results.regulations 93 says when inec copy doesn't exist,you use irev and if it doesn't exist,you use that of agents or police which obi failed to...

Apc won toto lga by 5000 margin.cancel it,cancel gayam and chiroma numbering 20,000,add ashige to pdp,apc still leads by 30,000 margin.what next?

garfield1:




Where during collation of results, there is a dispute regarding a
collated result or the result of an election from any polling unit, the collation
officer or returning officer shall use the following to determine the correctness
of the disputed result


3
Electoral Act, 2022
(a) the original of the disputed collated result for each polling unit where
the election is disputed ;
(b) the smart card reader or other technology device used for accreditation of
voters in each polling unit where the election is disputed for the purpose of obtaining
accreditation data directly from the smart card reader or technology device ;
(c) data of accreditation recorded and transmitted directly from each
polling unit where the election is disputed as prescribed under section 47
(2) of this Act ; and
(d) the votes and result of the election recorded and transmitted directly
from each polling unit where the election is disputed, as prescribed under
section 60 (4) of this Act.
(7) If the disputed result und




Obi failed to follow the above by comparing results.regulations 93 says when inec copy doesn't exist,you use irev and if it doesn't exist,you use that of agents or police which obi failed to...

There was dispute during collation.

To the extent the National collation officers of PDP and LP worked out of National Collation centre because there was dispute in collated results but there was no IREV result to compare it with, why?

Penguin2:


There was dispute during collation.

To the extent the National collation officers of PDP and LP worked out of National Collation centre because there was dispute in collated results but there was no IREV result to compare it with, why?

Lp always doing the wrong thing at the wrong time.the national collation centre deals with state level results not polling unit results.the dispute contemplated by the electoral act is at the ward level not national level.only the ward collation officer and PO have powers over polling unit results.tjat is where lp should have raised it.dr yakubu has no power over that.besides,lp and pdp never challenged the election conduct,they agreed that elections held free and fair.the only problem was transmission.


I think we have agreed that the nasarawa case is a waste.only Ogun is dicey

garfield1:


Lp always doing the wrong thing at the wrong time.the national collation centre deals with state level results not polling unit results.the dispute contemplated by the electoral act is at the ward level not national level.only the ward collation officer and PO have powers over polling unit results.tjat is where lp should have raised it.dr yakubu has no power over that.besides,lp and pdp never challenged the election conduct,they agreed that elections held free and fair.the only problem was transmission.


I think we have agreed that the nasarawa case is a waste.only Ogun is dicey

The IREV was supposed to work at every level of collation.

The Electoral Act did not say the IREV is meant only for Polling Unit level collation.

IREV should be available at both Polling unit, Ward, Local Government, State and National Collation centers. Failure of which, the Electoral Act is breached and the credibility of the election will become questionable.

Or do you have any prove that IREV was meant for only polling unit level collation?

On Nasarawa, engaging you about that is needless since you said PDP agents witness statements are useless because their names were submitted 1 second after INEC deadline. It’s obvious you are relying on stupid technicality.

Penguin2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPgu-DrnBus

A group of public affairs analysts have said that APC’s worst mistake was challenging the outcome of Osun gubernatorial election in 2022.

They were speaking in relation to the cases before the presidential election tribunal and the expected judgment.

According to them, the Osun judgment was the first time the Supreme Court interpreted the 2022 Electoral Act. And in doing so, the Supreme Court gave some significant pronouncements which includes:

First, that IREV was an integral part of of INEC’s collation process.

Again, that the BVAS and from EC8A were primary sources of evidence in proof of electoral fraud or anything thereof.

Similarly, that both the Constitution, the Electoral Act and INEC Guidelines and even Training Manual are justiciable. That is, that they are all legal instruments that can be used against INEC should they deviate from any. In doing this, the Supreme Court even quoted a section of INEC’s guideline verbatim which established the undisputed place of INEC Guidelines in law.

Now, this group are of the opinion that almost all the resolutions of the Supreme Court in the Osun Judgment, is working against APC’s case at the Tribunal right now. And considering that the Osun judgment is as recent as 3 months ago, it is a precedent that the Supreme Court might easily depart from anytime soon.

Nlfpmod
Mynd44

But you forgot something in your write-up, NON SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE

Penguin2:


The IREV was supposed to work at every level of collation.

The Electoral Act did not say the IREV is meant only for Polling Unit level collation.

IREV should be available at both Polling unit, Ward, Local Government, State and National Collation centers. Failure of which, the Electoral Act is breached and the credibility of the election will become questionable.

Or do you have any prove that IREV was meant for only polling unit level collation?

On Nasarawa, engaging you about that is needless since you said PDP agents witness statements are useless because their names were submitted 1 second after INEC deadline. It’s obvious you are relying on stupid technicality.

Oga, irev is a viewing system for the public not for collation.moreover,it is not a collation system.it only displays polling unit results oga.the electoral act states that results will be transmitted to inec server,it didn't say irev.the result transmitted to the server is also on the bvas so showing the snapped image from the bvas is enough.so don't mix the two.irev is not for collation.



I told you again that even if you admit witnesses from toto lga and cancel the lga,apc won

garfield1:



Oga, irev is a viewing system for the public not for collation.moreover,it is not a collation system.it only displays polling unit results oga.the electoral act states that results will be transmitted to inec server,it didn't say irev.the result transmitted to the server is also on the bvas so showing the snapped image from the bvas is enough.so don't mix the two.irev is not for collation.



I told you again that even if you admit witnesses from toto lga and cancel the lga,apc won

IREV is for public viewing to do what?

And did it serve that purpose, supposing that’s the only purpose it was meant to serve?