Dede1:


The bolded are statements born of idiosyncrasy if not downright foolishness. It goes further to elucidate the notion if you are actual an Igbo person. Again, by any stroke of luck you are Igbo, you must be definitely an efulefu.

It will be a waste of time to insinuate the alleged information about the war handed down to you by your forbearers did not state the Ndigbo and Biafrans held nocturnal meetings and decided to kill politicians of federal republic of Nigeria, slaughter indigenes of northern, western and mid-western regions residing in eastern region and on the July 6, 1967 declared war on Nigeria.

If the above scenarios were not the benchmarks of the story of the war you heard yet arrived to the conclusion “that war was the stupidest thing the Igbos ever did in our history”, a damnable indictment for those who sat in their homes as war was brought to them and only thing Igbo did wrong was to defend their home land, then you are more deluded than I thought.

Again if you think Nigeria will ever get better than you have seen today, I guess you have not truly checked the scare Nigeria/Biafra civil war left on the psychic of Nigerians. When drunkards such as you talk about “revolution and way forward”, I laugh sarcastically.

Okija_juju:

Stubborness and arrogance still remains a trait found in the Igbos,

This is an open forum, I have said my piece, you all can say all you want, In the end, we all want to see the betterment of the Igbos, our methods of going about it is all that differs here.

@ Onlytruth

Ichie, Ekene'm ghi! It dosent matter wether you feel I am Igbo or not, the point still remains that if you and your friends who feel you are more Igbo than I am simply because you carry BIAFRA on your head and can prolly type Igbo better than I, have good ideas on how to make the Igbo people better than they are now, then I suggest you say and stop with the name calling. I have no beef with you and yours. I only said it as I see it.

Dede!!

Biko hapum aka!! Mu na ghi a'de se okwu. I maintain that Ojukwu led the Igbos into a war that we could never have won. But like I said, thats all in the past. You either stay in the 60's and keep debating on who won the war, or you can come into 2011 and start thinking of how to be a major player in the affairs of this country. I have said my piece. BIAFRA is dead, never to rise again.

Dede1:


“those who did not know where they started a journey can not reach their destination”.

Aigbofa:

Where exactly is this your destination? If it is Biafra, you need a better compass and a stronger pair of walking shoes.

Dede1:

Pal, you do not need to worry because I got a better compass and a stronger pair of walking shoes, no make it boots.

Okija_juju:

Iwe e'we na ghi too much o!! I am just talking my own as I see it. Its up to you to either agree, disagree, ignore it or shoot yourself in the head with an Ogbunigwe.

Our people have slowly turned into cry-baby noisemakers. Genocide & Marginalization my Okija-bum. We dont even know what our problems are so how can we find a solution, Keep pointing fingers at others,

Aigbofa:

Godspeed friend. I just had to remind you that last time you embarked on this journey, you got lost in the wilderness, barefoot and with little to eat. So tread carefully.

Dede1:

I got your gist, pal. It is once beaten, shy twice. It is already a new day with modern strategy. As you can guess, wilderness must be avoided and plenty of food abound.

Dede1:


The issue has nothing to do with entrusting anybody with any political task. Awo was not barred from contesting election in Aba or Port Harcourt.
And why would Awo want to contest election in Aba when he was chosen by the yorubas to manage their affairs? Of what benefit would it have been to the yorubas if Awo contest and win election in Port Harcourt? Yorubas chose Awo first and foremost to lead them to greatness by developing the western region in all ramifications.


Zik contested and won free election in Lagos organized by the Yoruba-dominated western region.
And where is your proof? Instead of brandishing your usual rhetoric of falsehoods, present us with the proof for all to peruse. How many seats were won by NCNC in the 1951 regional election in western Nigeria and whilst at it, give us the names of the NCNC candidates that won these imaginary majority seats (41).


The inherent tribal bigotry of Yoruba people jumpstarted the moment they realized NCNC, Zik’s political party, had taken AG, Awo’s political party, to the cleaners during the polling.
Here you go with ibo’s inherent penchant for cunningness. Cleaners ko! Plumbers ni.
Show us your proof or forever proudly wear the toga of a LIAR on this site



It immediately downed on them that Igbo man, Zik, would become first premier of western region. Yoruba tribal bigots shouted Oti o!!
Anyway why would the president of the igbo union want to manage the affairs of the yorubas- a rival group? Was that why the ibos selected Zik to be their leader? Political hegemony?



Hence carpet-crossing and tribal politics were born into Nigeria’s socio-political society.
Carpet-crossing ko! Na mat-crossing ni!!!

Tribal politics came to the fore in 1941 when Zik and his igbo people engineered the internal rumpus that led to the demise of NYM.

T8ksy:

And where is your proof? Instead of brandishing your usual rhetoric of falsehoods, present us with the proof for all to peruse. How many seats were won by NCNC in the 1951 regional election in western Nigeria and whilst at it, give us the names of the NCNC candidates that won these imaginary majority seats (41).

In the quest for political leverage, our loud deadlines and projections on the election of a Nigerian President of Igbo extraction have been mocked by the Nigerian system. Our place on the rung of Federation's power ladder has slid to 5th or 6th level, yet we are the largest single ethnic group in the country. On the social front, the Igbo cultural personality is treated with as much respect by the rest of Nigeria as the regard which animals of the forest reserve for the once-respected red crest of the rooster!

Dede1:


There is no doubt you can read the issue with you is comprehension. Zik might be one of the handfuls of Igbo candidates who won election into western regional house of assembly in 1951 under the platform of NCNC, the rest winners were Yoruba, Urhobo, Eshan, Itsekiri or Edo.

It was a simple fact Zik was the leader of NCNC hence would-be the leader of government and future premier of western region. I guess you realize carpet-crossing in the geographical expression known as Nigeria was tribal invention of Yoruba bigots. If the majority seat won by NCNC in western region during 1951 regional election was imaginary as you want us to believe, what necessitated the shameful carpet-crossing mainly by Yoruba in the western regional house of assembly?

Onlytruth:

@Okija_juju,

I still maintain you are not Igbo; at minimum, you are either a badly raised one or an outright efulefu.
You are entitled to your opinions, and so am I.

I would advise you to mind your section of the country and leave us Igbo alone.

mbatuku1:

You're only sounding like a broken record.

Igbo did this, Igbo did that. What solutions have you proffered?

jason123:

@Okija-Juju
May God continue to reveal the truth to you!

Akanbi_edu:

Yorubas on this forum should stop discussing the BIAFRA episode, its not in Yorubas best interest. Remember the Igbos lost a lot of things in that war and it hurts more when you get reminded all the time by a particular set of people. I don't see northerners going back and forth on this BIAFRA issue on nairaland. This is a major reason the Igbos tend to fight Yorubas more on every issue even though[b] Yorubas have never killed Igbos in numbers like the northerners have done in the past[/b].

Anyone who dosent share your opinions is an "efulefu" abi?! I laff in Arochukwu,
So please, lets bring some sanity back to this discuss, what is the solution to the cries of marginalization, genocide (I still wonder if the people screaming this know what it means sef) and e.t.c. Infact what is it that the Igbos want exactly and what you do say is the solution, Please articulate your points clearly so we can both understand each other and maybe disagree to agree;

Okija_juju:

Lol @ "outright efulefu"  

Anyone who dosent share your opinions is an "efulefu" abi?! I laff in Arochukwu,   

So please, lets bring some sanity back to this discuss, what is the solution to the cries of marginalization, genocide (I still wonder if the people screaming this know what it means sef) and e.t.c. Infact what is it that the Igbos want exactly and what you do say is the solution,  Please articulate your points clearly so we can both understand each other and maybe disagree to agree;


Honey, read and you'll understand.

I hope I am right o. All I'm saying is we have been singing the same tune since forever, using the same tactics yet nothing has changed. I think its time for a different approach. When you hear those who call themselves "TRUE IGBO's" talking, it sounds like they are whining. I'm just saying a new approach is needed.


@ Dede

Ochi a to gbuo la'm,  Nna biko o! Obu mu cho ghi okwu. Iwe ghi adi na oku too much. No use english woundjure me.

I will celebrate the death of Ojukwu as if my worst enemy died. Since that war, NDI igbo have never recovered.


My dear, for how long would we keep dwelling on the past?! Even Liberia has moved past the war. The Rwandan Hutu's have moved past the clear genocidal attacks of the tutsi on them. Why are we still dwelling on this Biafran issue?! Whats even sadder is that kids who never shot or had to run from areial and artillery bombings sef follow dey shout genocide. #SMH!

mbatuku1:

I'm glad you finally admitted that you do not know what you are talking. You see the reason why you need to STFU on this matter?

You have no clue of what Igbos want or the challenges they face as a people, and yet you are making opinionated statements.

Like I said in the first page to the OP, this thread was unnecessary, because I knew it would attract your likes.

The OP does not speak for Igbos and he is entitled to his own opinions.

afam4eva:

It's only in Igboland you'll find people like Okija Juju. They are the brand of Igbos i hate the most. Uttering such arrant rubbish as "Igbos are their own enemy", "Why can't one Igbo candidate step down for the other" bla bla bla. They make such statement to paint their ethnic group black in the midst of other groups just to gain cheap favour. If i may ask this Okija_Mmawu, what have you done for your village or Igboland in general apart from your ignorant rantings.

Onlytruth:

@Okija_juju
So, at least, begin by picking up a book about the events of the past in Nigeria and read profusely. You would become wiser when next you comment on Igbo issues.

As for what we need to do to get what we want, you should begin by listening to and respecting our leaders, and not trying to prove to those who don't care anyway that you are more patriotic than them. That is the single biggest Igbo mistake from the early 50s till date.

Okija_juju:

Afamefuna, Long time.

Nna, we have not reached the point of hatred o!! Thankgod for the anonimity and distance that the internet provides, it would have been difficult for the weak and those whose line of reasoning differed from the norm to actually air their views for fear of a beat-down. You asked what I have done for my commuinity. Nna I will not lie to impress anybody here. I have done NOTHING worth putting on a billboard or getting a chieftancy title for. I do not have the kind of money the likes of Chikason, Innoson, Ogbuawa and Coscharis and co have. I dont own more than a small piece of land. The only thing for which I am proud of is the fact that I have aided 3 Anambra men with whom I schooled with get jobs today (not trading spare parts at iweka o!! Oil and gas jobs). And I am glad that I could be of help to them.

Just so you understand me, I am saying that all this cry of marginalization this, genocide that, has not worked for us. We tried a war, it didnt work either. How about we take a different approach to issues. We boast of some of the biggest (non-government aided) business owners in this country. I have seen and heard of several success stories of Igbo businessmen who have built an empire from 100,000 Naira that their Ogas settled them with. Why dont we ndi igbo start with an economic take-over. Slowly but surely we would get to the very top. All I see is mediocrity. Look at the Anambra state political scene, it is such a big mess. Abia State is still an eyesore. Onitsha has still not reached its full potential (i know the arguement of the non dredging of the river Niger), why wait on the federal government to put things in place for us. I can off the tip of my fingers count three Igbo business men who can pull resources together and float an airline that could run international flights from Enugu. Look a Sam Mbadiwe airport in Imo State? Innoson makes some of the finest locally assembled commuter busses in Nigeria. Even better that TATA busses, yet none of the six igbo states have Innosson busses as their sole public transportation provider. How many Innosson busses are on F.G Onyewe's fleet or Dan Dollars?! There is so much internal work to be done. I agree that on the federal level, the igbos are being put on the back burner, but lets start from home. Look at the spate of kidnapping in Aba, it was so bad they kidnapped an entire bus of children (IGBO Children). I am looking at the smaller things my friend. Forget Abuja, lets focus on home.

Im sorry if I offend you with my comments, but trust me when I say with the present state of affairs at home, we are not ready to cease Nigeria. I do not believe in the utopia called BIAFRA. I still say that dream is dead. Its been almost 4 decades now since the last shot was fired in that conflict, I say we should move on. We have held on to the past for too long. Time to go back to the drawing board and start hatching a new method of approach to our quest for political relevance and dominance.

Akanbi_edu:

Yorubas on this forum should stop discussing the BIAFRA episode, its not in Yorubas best interest. Remember the Igbos lost a lot of things in that war and it hurts more when you get reminded all the time by a particular set of people. I don't see northerners going back and forth on this BIAFRA issue on nairaland. This is a major reason the Igbos tend to fight Yorubas more on every issue even though Yorubas have never killed Igbos in numbers like the northerners have done in the past.

Okija_juju:

Lol @ "outright efulefu"

Anyone who dosent share your opinions is an "efulefu" abi?! I laff in Arochukwu,

So please, lets bring some sanity back to this discuss, what is the solution to the cries of marginalization, genocide (I still wonder if the people screaming this know what it means sef) and e.t.c. Infact what is it that the Igbos want exactly and what you do say is the solution, Please articulate your points clearly so we can both understand each other and maybe disagree to agree;


Honey, read and you'll understand.

I hope I am right o. All I'm saying is we have been singing the same tune since forever, using the same tactics yet nothing has changed. I think its time for a different approach. When you hear those who call themselves "TRUE IGBO's" talking, it sounds like they are whining. I'm just saying a new approach is needed.


@ Dede

Ochi a to gbuo la'm, Nna biko o! Obu mu cho ghi okwu. Iwe ghi adi na oku too much. No use english woundjure me.

I will celebrate the death of Ojukwu as if my worst enemy died. Since that war, NDI igbo have never recovered.


My dear, for how long would we keep dwelling on the past?! Even Liberia has moved past the war. The Rwandan Hutu's have moved past the clear genocidal attacks of the tutsi on them. Why are we still dwelling on this Biafran issue?! Whats even sadder is that kids who never shot or had to run from areial and artillery bombings sef follow dey shout genocide. #SMH!

T8ksy:

So if the ibos keep bring up the biafran war, the yorubas should just shut up because according to your thought process, the ibos lost a lot and as such are entitled to pesist in boring us silly with stories of "genocide", "starvation", sheer revisionism ati bebelo, etc etc.

Fyi, we yorubas lost a lot too maybe not on the same grand scale as the ibos but yes, we suffered many losses too. However, the war was not our war. we never wanted war whereas the ibos wanted war and did everything possible to make sure that the situation would not be resolved through dialogue.

Dede1:
Let me tell you that the reason is hidden behind Nigeria/Biafra civil war. This is a food for thought.        

Eko Ile:

As usual, I'll ignore the rest of your mindless and doodoo rants.


Before independence, we had our separate regions and were developing according to our various potentials and capabilities.

Before independence, ibo people had the opportunity to have their own biafra or whatever you people call it just by doing your own thing, it is also a fact that the SW didn't want any part of Nigeria or all 3 regions under the same umbrella called Nigeria.

Zik and ibo people obviously didn't like that idea so they teamed up with the North to take away your biafra dream from you years before ojukwu dumbly went to war to undo what Zik and ibo people saddled the whole of southern Nigeria with.

Zik and ibo people killed their own biafra dream years before it started, they killed southern Nigeria from the get go

ibo people again sent Nigerian on a blood letting spree when they slaughtered military and political leaders from other tribes, but spared their own kinsmen, even ZIK as the president of Nigeria was tipped off so he ran off to look at his own country boil out of control while sipping wine in a foreign country.

After the blood bath, Nigeria hopelessly handed power to another ibo man when the country asked Aguiyi-Irons to be the head of state and hoping to see justice and punishment dished out to the blood thirsty murderers and seditionists, the same new ibo head of state slapped Nigerians in the face by letting them go free which in turn led to the retaliatory massacre of ibo people up north.

Time and time again, ibo people are always displaying the fact that they ibo people have no set core principles, can not and never should be trusted, ibo people dug their own grave and are still digging it till this very minute.

in 1979, ibo people have the grand opportunity to rectify their errors and goofiness, but as usual, they ran under the northern malam's babariga just for another ibo man to be made another second fiddle via ekwueme who as usual, didn't transfer the dividends of his dubious encounter and vice presidency to his people back home.

Now, while the SW is staying true to it's core beliefs, sense of independence and self determination, ibo people are still lost, they are still looking for relevance with under the same northern  babariga.


The way I see it and according to your history, ZIK caused biafra because the option to form the state of biafra was on the table or shall I say in ibo people's hands, they didn't even have to fire one single bullet, but zik denied ibo people that opportunity so every time you clowns open mouth to talk about biafra or blame other people, first look in the mirror.

The same lack of self worth and identity that plagued you back then is still there till this very second.


That is your food for thought.

Dede1:

I thought everybody on this debate was rounded in the sphere of social order. Unfortunately, your line of argument tends to defeat my notion. I had read about acts of kidnap from all nukes and crannies of the cesspit called Nigeria. There is no doubt an undiscerning onlooker to the craps you have vomited on this thread will readily conclude that kidnap is the brainchild and exclusive handiwork of Ndigbo in Nigeria.

You definitely looked foolish in attempt to sound human. Look pal, you are free as air to celebrate the death of Ojukwu even while sitting on your head. The fact that you helped schoolmates secure jobs and had the effrontery to announce such petty endeavor to the world buttresses the stream of thought you have shown on this issue. If you were employer of these imaginary schoolmates you highlighted, you would have clogged Internet with delusional euphoria born out of idiosyncrasy.

In fact, I am surprised you are yet to foolishly insinuate shoes, sandals and slipper made in Aba were the major cause of joint pains and arthritis in Nigeria.

I really do not care if you are aged enough to understand yourself. However, you have stated a member of your forbearers intimated you with fairy tales about Nigeria/Biafra war. Let me play a devil’s advocate along with you that Ojukwu should have succumbed to the aggressors, probably you will not be here today arguing and spewing crap because your mother could be among the girls willfully despoiled by those who had shown they could despoil and maim any Igbo or eastern regional woman in northern region of Nigeria.

Have you momentarily asked yourself why are Nigerians so dormant in the face of worst socio-politico-economic oppression ever seen anywhere on earth? Let me tell you that the reason is hidden behind Nigeria/Biafra civil war. This is a food for thought.