1forall:

Ah why apply so much effort on this matter?

U come expose yourself like this for public :-|

Try Proverbs 17:28 and take it in the best way.

Hope it helps.

Omo_Tier1:

Very good move by the FG. To take it a step further, BA winter schedule to Nigeria SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED until ARIK AIR's RIGHT under the BASA to land and take off to Abuja from heathrow is fully restored.

Further, the FG should commence price fixing and manipulation by both BA and Virgin Atlantic on the LOS-LHR and ABV -LHR routes and they should be made to explain why thier tickets are some 30% cheaper in Ghana than in Nigeria!

To those claiming Arik is crying foul 'cos it can not compete. I guess you are completely ignorant of Arik load factor on LOS-LHR. Before the Heathrow-Abuja landing/take off saga began, Arik Abuja load factor was beginning to grow at a very decent rate! Looking at Arik's plane on LOS-LHR, an Airbus A340-500 (formerly owned by King fisher of India) is by far newer and state of the art when compared to BA's latest which is boeing B777-300ER. Same goes for Arik's B737 on the ABV-LHR route. As per Customer service, BA is worse than Arik, you just need to go see what they make Nigeria bound passengers go through in T5 at Heathrow.

As far as 'm concerned, Virgin Atlantic is a fraud. Flown them once on LOS-LHR route and never again! The are the experts in price fixing, oh recall thier fuel surcharge scam with BA on UK-US routes?

Let me also say that ARIK AIR flying to Gatwick is not an option! Is like asking BA to redirect thier Lagos bound to Ogun! Arik has a RIGHT under the current BASA to land at Heathrow from both Lagos and Abuja  and it is the responsibility of the UK Civil aviation authorities to ensure those landing slots are made available! The UK were not blind when they signed that BASA agreement and equally so, they should honour it!

Enough of UK's flagrant disregard for gentleman's agreement. If they fail to address Arik's landing slot issue, then suspen Virgin flight into Nigeria and allow only BA 3 slots to Lagos only! If any body thinks Nigerians will be the ones to suffer I tell thats absolutely untrue! LOS - LHR is one of the most lucrative flight routes in the world and a big earner for BA especially during the winter, hence BA will be hit hard financially botj items of revenues and dues!

erico2k2:

guy aint we all missing the point, who owns heathrow and the rights to land space and slots, is it not BAA? teh BAA has nothing to do with the UK government, they are owned by share holders but our airport is owned by the FG so is it possible for our govt to negotiate with a public company in the UK?

Omo_Tier1:

Very good move by the FG. To take it a step further, BA winter schedule to Nigeria SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED until ARIK AIR's RIGHT under the BASA to land and take off to Abuja from heathrow is fully restored.

Further, the FG should commence price fixing and manipulation by both BA and Virgin Atlantic on the LOS-LHR and ABV -LHR routes and they should be made to explain why thier tickets are some 30% cheaper in Ghana than in Nigeria!

To those claiming Arik is crying foul 'cos it can not compete. I guess you are completely ignorant of Arik load factor on LOS-LHR. Before the Heathrow-Abuja landing/take off saga began, Arik Abuja load factor was beginning to grow at a very decent rate! Looking at Arik's plane on LOS-LHR, an Airbus A340-500 (formerly owned by King fisher of India) is by far newer and state of the art when compared to BA's latest which is boeing B777-300ER. Same goes for Arik's B737 on the ABV-LHR route. As per Customer service, BA is worse than Arik, you just need to go see what they make Nigeria bound passengers go through in T5 at Heathrow.

As far as 'm concerned, Virgin Atlantic is a fraud. Flown them once on LOS-LHR route and never again! The are the experts in price fixing, oh recall thier fuel surcharge scam with BA on UK-US routes?

Let me also say that ARIK AIR flying to Gatwick is not an option! Is like asking BA to redirect thier Lagos bound to Ogun! Arik has a RIGHT under the current BASA to land at Heathrow from both Lagos and Abuja  and it is the responsibility of the UK Civil aviation authorities to ensure those landing slots are made available! The UK were not blind when they signed that BASA agreement and equally so, they should honour it!

Enough of UK's flagrant disregard for gentleman's agreement. If they fail to address Arik's landing slot issue, then suspen Virgin flight into Nigeria and allow only BA 3 slots to Lagos only! If any body thinks Nigerians will be the ones to suffer I tell thats absolutely untrue! LOS - LHR is one of the most lucrative flight routes in the world and a big earner for BA especially during the winter, hence BA will be hit hard financially botj items of revenues and dues!

erico2k2:

guy aint we all missing the point, who owns heathrow and the rights to land space and slots, is it not BAA? teh BAA has nothing to do with the UK government, they are owned by share holders but our airport is owned by the FG so is it possible for our govt to negotiate with a public company in the UK?

Guk:

Now, am totally convinced that a lot of responders here are educated illiterates who are also too lazy to do simple investigation even with google at their disposal.

This is a move i can never support because it is repugnant and also business disincentive.

(1) Flight is cheaper from Ghana to London. Why is it cheaper?? The tax collected by the Nigerian govt make our tickets more expensive.

(2) BASA allows for 21 flights each to fly in UK and Nigeria. It does not choose the Airport for u. BA used to fly to Kano a few years ago. UK Airlines are fully utilising their 21 slots. Nigeria is not! Who's fault is that
Nigeria claims that it is unfair & will review it. (Likely downwards) I cant begin to list stupidity of such action. What happens if ARIK; AERO; DANA; AIR Nigeria, suddenly can utilise the 21 slots but you have reduced it to spite the British carriers and you cant review until the next review date. You kill your own peoples business.

(3) ACL annually, openly and transparently auction slots to fly into Heathrow via slottrader portal. All airlines bid, there is no mago mago. ARIK, like so many other airlines cant get exactly what they want, they then have to buy in the secondary market. Pure business sense tells u, dont overbid if your passenger load cannot sustain it.(Ask HITV ala EPL)

(4) Gatwick Airport is an alternative. Lots of Airlines use it and bus their passengers to Heathrow at no extra cost. A nigerian is the CEO of Gatwick Airport, maybe he might listen to Stella Oduah's charm.

(5) Local contractors will have their businesses affected by the reduction in flight which may in turn lead to redundancy.

(6) The in flight food provider quoted on our Stock exchange will lose out "minimally"

(7) We are signatories to a number of Airline conventions. You dont just wake up and flagrantly violate them because ARIK loses slots it cant economically sustain. It show an irresponsible govt

( Its an embarrassment to Segun Aganga Min of Trade and Investment who is trying to woo foreign investors. One of the major hinderances to foreign investment in Nigeria is banana republic type of action just taken. Inconsistent policies; Flagrant violation of laid down rules etc

(9) Stella Oduah and ARIK have created a diplomatic mess for Foreign Affairs minister to clean up

(10) Shows how incapable GEJ is as an Administrator. You dont allow your surbodinates to go around embarrassing your govt and nation like this.

(11) For those refering to and hailing Abacha's action then, SHAME on you. Its either you dont know what happened, which is no excuse or you are just plain ignorant. For your info. The British Airport Authority back then denied Nigeria Airways landing rights at Heathrow simply because they did not meet minimum standards. They had been given enough time to work on their aircrafts but chose not to & Nigeria Airways was not the only Airline denied. In retaliation Abacha banned British Airways for 2 years. It was an unhailed move. The eductated; literate and well informed also do not hail this present action. Its an irresponsible one that throws up our thinking as a nation

Guk:

Now, am totally convinced that a lot of responders here are educated illiterates who are also too lazy to do simple investigation even with google at their disposal.

This is a move i can never support because it is repugnant and also business disincentive.

(1) Flight is cheaper from Ghana to London. Why is it cheaper?? The tax collected by the Nigerian govt make our tickets more expensive.

(2) BASA allows for 21 flights each to fly in UK and Nigeria. It does not choose the Airport for u. BA used to fly to Kano a few years ago. UK Airlines are fully utilising their 21 slots. Nigeria is not! Who's fault is that
Nigeria claims that it is unfair & will review it. (Likely downwards) I cant begin to list stupidity of such action. What happens if ARIK; AERO; DANA; AIR Nigeria, suddenly can utilise the 21 slots but you have reduced it to spite the British carriers and you cant review until the next review date. You kill your own peoples business.

(3) ACL annually, openly and transparently auction slots to fly into Heathrow via slottrader portal. All airlines bid, there is no mago mago. ARIK, like so many other airlines cant get exactly what they want, they then have to buy in the secondary market. Pure business sense tells u, dont overbid if your passenger load cannot sustain it.(Ask HITV ala EPL)

(4) Gatwick Airport is an alternative. Lots of Airlines use it and bus their passengers to Heathrow at no extra cost. A nigerian is the CEO of Gatwick Airport, maybe he might listen to Stella Oduah's charm.

(5) Local contractors will have their businesses affected by the reduction in flight which may in turn lead to redundancy.

(6) The in flight food provider quoted on our Stock exchange will lose out "minimally"

(7) We are signatories to a number of Airline conventions. You dont just wake up and flagrantly violate them because ARIK loses slots it cant economically sustain. It show an irresponsible govt

( Its an embarrassment to Segun Aganga Min of Trade and Investment who is trying to woo foreign investors. One of the major hinderances to foreign investment in Nigeria is banana republic type of action just taken. Inconsistent policies; Flagrant violation of laid down rules etc

(9) Stella Oduah and ARIK have created a diplomatic mess for Foreign Affairs minister to clean up

(10) Shows how incapable GEJ is as an Administrator. You dont allow your surbodinates to go around embarrassing your govt and nation like this.

(11) For those refering to and hailing Abacha's action then, SHAME on you. Its either you dont know what happened, which is no excuse or you are just plain ignorant. For your info. The British Airport Authority back then denied Nigeria Airways landing rights at Heathrow simply because they did not meet minimum standards. They had been given enough time to work on their aircrafts but chose not to & Nigeria Airways was not the only Airline denied. In retaliation Abacha banned British Airways for 2 years. It was an unhailed move. The educated; literate and well informed also do not hail this present action. Its an irresponsible one that throws up our thinking as a nation

Guk:

Now, am totally convinced that a lot of responders here are educated illiterates who are also too lazy to do simple investigation even with google at their disposal.

This is a move i can never support because it is repugnant and also business disincentive.

(1) Flight is cheaper from Ghana to London. Why is it cheaper?? The tax collected by the Nigerian govt make our tickets more expensive.

Guk:
(2) BASA allows for 21 flights each to fly in UK and Nigeria. It does not choose the Airport for u. BA used to fly to Kano a few years ago. UK Airlines are fully utilising their 21 slots. Nigeria is not! Who's fault is that
Nigeria claims that it is unfair & will review it. (Likely downwards) I cant begin to list stupidity of such action. What happens if ARIK; AERO; DANA; AIR Nigeria, suddenly can utilise the 21 slots but you have reduced it to spite the British carriers and you cant review until the next review date. You kill your own peoples business.
(3) ACL annually, openly and transparently auction slots to fly into Heathrow via slottrader portal. All airlines bid, there is no mago mago. ARIK, like so many other airlines cant get exactly what they want, they then have to buy in the secondary market. Pure business sense tells u, dont overbid if your passenger load cannot sustain it.(Ask HITV ala EPL)

Guk:
(4) Gatwick Airport is an alternative. Lots of Airlines use it and bus their passengers to Heathrow at no extra cost. A nigerian is the CEO of Gatwick Airport, maybe he might listen to Stella Oduah's charm.

(5) Local contractors will have their businesses affected by the reduction in flight which may in turn lead to redundancy.

(6) The in flight food provider quoted on our Stock exchange will lose out "minimally"

(7) We are signatories to a number of Airline conventions. You dont just wake up and flagrantly violate them because ARIK loses slots it cant economically sustain. It show an irresponsible govt

( Its an embarrassment to Segun Aganga Min of Trade and Investment who is trying to woo foreign investors. One of the major hinderances to foreign investment in Nigeria is banana republic type of action just taken. Inconsistent policies; Flagrant violation of laid down rules etc

(9) Stella Oduah and ARIK have created a diplomatic mess for Foreign Affairs minister to clean up

(10) Shows how incapable GEJ is as an Administrator. You dont allow your surbordinates to go around embarrassing your govt and nation like this.

nothing embarassing there. protectionism is a tool that westen nations use everyday.
it is important to let people know that you can bark and bite as well. at any rate the Brits are only interested in low risk high reward businesses in Nigeria. it is the chinese we need to attract not them.

Guk:

Now, am totally convinced that a lot of responders here are educated illiterates who are also too lazy to do simple investigation even with google at their disposal.

This is a move i can never support because it is repugnant and also business disincentive.

(1) Flight is cheaper from Ghana to London. Why is it cheaper?? The tax collected by the Nigerian govt make our tickets more expensive.

(2) BASA allows for 21 flights each to fly in UK and Nigeria. It does not choose the Airport for u. BA used to fly to Kano a few years ago. UK Airlines are fully utilising their 21 slots. Nigeria is not! Who's fault is that
Nigeria claims that it is unfair & will review it. (Likely downwards) I cant begin to list stupidity of such action. What happens if ARIK; AERO; DANA; AIR Nigeria, suddenly can utilise the 21 slots but you have reduced it to spite the British carriers and you cant review until the next review date. You kill your own peoples business.

(3) ACL annually, openly and transparently auction slots to fly into Heathrow via slottrader portal. All airlines bid, there is no mago mago. ARIK, like so many other airlines cant get exactly what they want, they then have to buy in the secondary market. Pure business sense tells u, dont overbid if your passenger load cannot sustain it.(Ask HITV ala EPL)

(4) Gatwick Airport is an alternative. Lots of Airlines use it and bus their passengers to Heathrow at no extra cost. A nigerian is the CEO of Gatwick Airport, maybe he might listen to Stella Oduah's charm.

(5) Local contractors will have their businesses affected by the reduction in flight which may in turn lead to redundancy.

(6) The in flight food provider quoted on our Stock exchange will lose out "minimally"

(7) We are signatories to a number of Airline conventions. You dont just wake up and flagrantly violate them because ARIK loses slots it cant economically sustain. It show an irresponsible govt

( Its an embarrassment to Segun Aganga Min of Trade and Investment who is trying to woo foreign investors. One of the major hinderances to foreign investment in Nigeria is banana republic type of action just taken. Inconsistent policies; Flagrant violation of laid down rules etc

(9) Stella Oduah and ARIK have created a diplomatic mess for Foreign Affairs minister to clean up

(10) Shows how incapable GEJ is as an Administrator. You dont allow your surbodinates to go around embarrassing your govt and nation like this.

(11) For those refering to and hailing Abacha's action then, SHAME on you. Its either you dont know what happened, which is no excuse or you are just plain ignorant. For your info. The British Airport Authority back then denied Nigeria Airways landing rights at Heathrow simply because they did not meet minimum standards. They had been given enough time to work on their aircrafts but chose not to & Nigeria Airways was not the only Airline denied. In retaliation Abacha banned British Airways for 2 years. It was an unhailed move. The eductated; literate and well informed also do not hail this present action. Its an irresponsible one that throws up our thinking as a nation

Tom Ford:

How can people say BA will not loose?considering the holiday period around they stand to be aversely affected.besides their monopoly is something else thank God for VA

erico2k2:

erm it would be worth to mention that its not just Nigerians who travel dusing these seasons, thier yankee london route is busier than UK 9ja just saying, but in all they gonna loss at some point  but I dont think this is a politicaly correct decission, these shouldhave been left to market forces dont you think so?

blackpanda:

I dont understand this your silly support for an organisation/government that is clearly oppressing you. Are you a donkey or what?
What is your business with who controls what in a foreign man's land? Why make up unecessary excuses for them, when they havent even put forward that excuse to your govt? Abi are you an agent for the british government? Until they tie physical shackles on your hands before your two okpolo eyes will open!

mtscheeeew! Nonsense!!

AjanleKoko:

Nah, not market forces.
Let them adjust to the new regime, and fly only three times a week. Then we won't complain about Arik's 14 slots.
They can send their planes to the US like you said. Fine by us.

Iretia:

(3) ACL annually, openly and transparently auction slots to fly into Heathrow via slottrader portal. All airlines bid, there is no mago mago. ARIK, like so many other airlines cant get exactly what they want, they then have to buy in the secondary market. Pure business sense tells u, dont overbid if your passenger load cannot sustain it.(Ask HITV ala EPL)

Well, this is nonsense!!
The Bilateral agreement was signed between 2 countries. If the British govt decided to appoint a private company to manage the landing slot arrangement on its behalf, that is entire their prerogative. Nigeria however decided not to appoint a private company to manage its own side of the agreement. The point is both countries have their different but unique styles of managing landing slots. Either of them must not use its style of slot management as an excuse to contravene the spirit of that agreement.

Elbowing out of Arik Air from Heathrow due to the influence of market forces is entirely acceptable however reducing BA's landing slot in Lagos due to the influence of People's force is also acceptable. This means that both market forces and people forces are acceptable methods for managing the agreement. The British Govt has no moral justification to criticise Nigerian’s decision to use People’s force to manage its own side of the agreement.

And those who think it was generally unfair targeting BA for the sins of the British govt could be right, I mean why visit the sins of the father on the child? But why was it reported that British Govt was concerned about the reduction of BA's slots?

So what makes it right for the British govt to intervene when BA's landing slot was reduced to 3 and a mortal sin for the Nigerian govt to intervene when Arik Air was disadvantaged by the use of the private TRANSPARENT method by the British Govt to manage the bilateral agreement?

So guy you still going on with this argument, anyway what private company was appionted by the british government to manage teh landing slot? and just enlighten me on where to read or give me an extract for this agreement that was signed into law plzzI think the british govt where concerned cos its a govt of a nation who cut short the landing slot of thier national carrier and not some PLC,
PS there are loads of airlines that where maginalized from landing at Heathrow.