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Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by logica(m): 5:20am On Nov 15, 2011 |
"Especially if they are legal". Now, which woman brought under the circumstances we have been discussing COULD POSSIBLY be legal? NONE. So I really don't know how you apply logic. I'm sure you are familiar with set theory. Use it. |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by Kobojunkie: 5:27am On Nov 15, 2011 |
logica: um . . . . . I have not been following whatever discussions YOU have been engaged in. I simply responded to @Stillwater's post on the condition of female hookers. It is my understanding that not all of them are illegals. Unless you can show us all that they all are. Also, set theory does not allow you to MAKE STUFF up, that is why there are proofs attached to most claims. . . I am guessing you are trying to assume that LOGICALLY ALL INDENTURED slaves do not know their right. That is also NOT TRUE! Many a slave has been able to escape slavery by taking advantage of the law in the lands they find themselves. |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by logica(m): 5:55am On Nov 15, 2011 |
Kobojunkie:No. I am saying ALL girls you find smuggled to Italy are not legal. That is one of the facts with which their handlers blackmail them into submission as a matter of fact. Comply or get deported and disgraced. Even if they have "valid" visas, you should know that visas obtained under fraudulent circumstances are to all intents and purposes invalid. |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by Kobojunkie: 6:12am On Nov 15, 2011 |
logica: Might I suggest you go back, re-read what I have posted so far to see how you are still making the same mistake I suggested you were to begin with . . . . here are some simple straights on what I have said so far . . . . a) NOT all female Nigerian prostitutes in foreign countries are there illegally b) Not all female Nigerians in foreign countries are there illegally c) Not all female Nigerians abroad, even those who are legal, know to take advantage of the laws in the new lands they find themselves d) Even smuggled girls(illegal slaves)can, in so many western states, use the law to in the land they find themselves to get away from their masters |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by logica(m): 6:18am On Nov 15, 2011 |
Kobojunkie:Jezuz. It's like a dog chasing its tail. We have gone full cycle back to this: how do you expect an ignorant girl to know the law? |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by Kobojunkie: 6:21am On Nov 15, 2011 |
logica: Just because YOU have chosen to think them all ignorant DOES NOT mean they are. There are numerous cases of smuggled girls escaping, and even helping send their masters to jail. You might want to do some research on that as there was a recent case here of that. Open your mind to the fact that those you have willing concluded are ignorant for life, are likely all not. Mentioning over and over that they are ignorant DOES NOT imply that they really are. This is why I suggest you actually TALK TO them and most of all LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY first, before jumping to conclusions on the individual. Here's one to get you going &s_trackval=GooglePM">http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=WT&p_theme=wt&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0FE165DC423F0322&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date&s_trackval=GooglePM |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by Jakumo(m): 6:28am On Nov 15, 2011 |
All men pay for sex, either directly in cash, or in-directly via a multitude of other ways, means and modalities. Those women who do parlay the barter exchange of cash money for sex into professional careers need not be considered whores, but rather should be regarded as tenured pleasure advisers or carnal knowledge consultants, whose fees are customarily tendered in advance. |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by Jenifa1: 6:31am On Nov 15, 2011 |
Kobojunkie: u have a point but most of these girls are trafficked from rural villages not law school. besides, the main problem for these nigerians in italy seem to be a lack of employment opportunities. even illiterate illegal mexicans in US can find work on farms or menial labor. the nigerians in d documentary seem to have their options limited to prostitution, drugs and crime. |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by Kobojunkie: 6:40am On Nov 15, 2011 |
Jenifa_: Well, the few who have been able to beat the chains, were also trafficked from the villages. So I see no reason why more of them cannot them be informed on how the system works for them. There are those who choose prostit-tution of their own volition. There isn't much one can do about those cases. However, even they need to ensure they take advantage of the system to prevent being mistreated in society for their choice. I cannot for the life of me understand why any girl, illegal or none, would choose to remain a slave, simply because she is afraid of being unemployed.That does not compute . . . not at all. |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by Nobody: 6:43am On Nov 15, 2011 |
So many Nigerian ashewo hustlers in Nigeria/ outside of niGERIA. Some do it for the enjoyment, some for the power, and some for survival. Imagine some of them are even earning higher earnings than successful doctors. Nigerian men are also guilty, maybe even worse. If you frequent the ashewo joint and do diff ashewos in one day or daily, what does that make you? Nigerian men changes partner frequently- womanizer/ player Nigerian women changes partner frequently - ashewo Different labels, same ish. Prostitution is here to stay, leave it as is. if you want to decrease it, talk to your children. Leave other ppl's children to their asheworism, plz. |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by logica(m): 6:48am On Nov 15, 2011 |
Kobojunkie:Look, the ones that escaped were HELPED; or just decided to take risks which could easily result in death; and then later got illuminated. Which was my point. You think they were just sitting in their darkened rooms in chains and suddenly had light-bulb moments? Immigration Law is not taught in obscure villages in Edo FYI. I will also like to point out to you that prostitution even in countries where it is legal is controlled by criminal and brutal syndicates because it is very lucrative. A girl can't just skip along from no where and start hooking in street corners (even in the US); She will disappear very quickly and will be lucky if her body is ever found. That's what these girls face. Now add that to a huge dose of ignorance. |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by Kobojunkie: 6:53am On Nov 15, 2011 |
logica: If you are UNWILLING to at least ensure you read the posts you pretend to respond to, and make sure you understand, maybe you should stop responding. Does anything in this world HAPPEN IN ISOLATION? Do things AUTOMAGICALLY change without one doing something at least to instigate it, or make sacrifices of one kind or another? Effort is required . . . no one has so far suggested it is not. |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by Jenifa1: 7:12am On Nov 15, 2011 |
Kobojunkie: I don't think the girls are as silly as you paint them. maybe for the luckier girl, a client might fall in love and marry her. or an italian family might take her in. but for most, the opportunity probably isn't there. they have to survive somehow abi. see how they all claim to be "hairdressers" whose hair are they dressing? I doubt there is much opportunity for gainful employment over there for most. to me, they shouldn't even have been brought to italy in the first place. the police ought to clamp down on the traffickers and pimps/ or mafia whatever they called them in the documentary. They are not doing enough at all. |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by logica(m): 7:17am On Nov 15, 2011 |
logica:How has my position changed (the same position you have been countering)? Again, be glad you are informed. See it as a privilege. |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by logica(m): 7:31am On Nov 15, 2011 |
Jenifa_:You see, when we are relatively comfy we begin to see the unfortunate as stu.pid. As pointed out, some of these girls have been threatened with the death of their relatives if they manage to escape. OK, so you escape and you are granted asylum, what next? You think you and your family are safe? They may have even witnessed the killing (or disappearance) of the "troublesome" ones amongst them, so how can they doubt the threat to their loved ones? And if the syndicates are as cunning as some I've heard of, they may send baits to the girls to test them to see if they are willing to escape. Now how do you under the circumstances even identify a genuine help or a trip to your death (and disappearance)? You may also want to wonder how in this present moment some people can still be conned into being taken away to Italy. It still boils down to ignorance (though a few may actually know what they are up against and may think they are sharp enough to find an escape route). Do not think everybody has access to Cable TV or read newspapers, talk less of Internet. It's much more complicated than that. |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by Kobojunkie: 8:16am On Nov 15, 2011 |
Jenifa_: I didn't paint them silly. No, I believe everyone comes equipped with a full functioning brain. What I simply had there was in response to your post that some of them are afraid of being unemployed. My response simply was to point out that I do not believe it is sensible for any girl to choose slavery simply because she was afraid of being unemployed. Sure, there are those who would do exactly that but that does not mean it would make sense to me. Survival is one thing. However, choosing to continue in slavery, after you have learnt of how dead-ended it really is, is another. Jenifa_: While I agree that the authorities are not doing enough. I also place some of the blame on the girls . . . .You would be surprised that even after so many years of our learning what befalls girls who allow themselves move abroad with some of the traffikers, we still have girls who plead ignorance and allow themselves be transported into this life still. I mean it is not like a huge number of them are actually kidnapped. Not the case at all. Anywho, my original comment, in response to @Stillwater, was not directed solely at trafficked beings but at Nigerians in general. We need to learn to take more advantage of the law, and that way we can help educate others on what their rights are in the new world. It is then up to them to choose to use that information to get out of their situation, or accept their fate. |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by nasoj: 2:10pm On Nov 15, 2011 |
ashawo na work |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by lucabrasi(m): 7:27pm On Nov 15, 2011 |
aribisala0:i really don't care one way or another what you think on the subject,all i know of the subject is what i have written,in case you have forgotten you responded to my comment not the other way round . you are entitled to your opinion however valid or flawed they might be ,same has mine if yo can't stomach other people having a contrary opinion to yours then you might very well go live on a deserted island. i will strongly advise you not to place blanket assumptions on any subject whatsoever,it highlights one's ignorance on the particular subject |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by BootyOnMe: 1:45am On Nov 16, 2011 |
I just visited Benin-City. Very impressed to see that the economy is being propelled by ashawo monies. The level of poverty would have decimated the populace. Kudos to the ashawos in the UK from Edo state. . . YOU MAKE ME PROUD! |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by Jenifa1: 5:44am On Nov 16, 2011 |
Kobojunkie: are you an attorney? seems like you will be a great candidate to start an NGO representing these girls. |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by BootyOnMe: 7:13am On Nov 16, 2011 |
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-803797.0.html My fellow Edo ladies. . .this could happen to you. Stop patronizing Nigerian politicians. Go to the UK to sell your arzzzz instead. Avoid Bini men! |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by eleshin(m): 8:47am On Nov 16, 2011 |
Judge not nd u shall not be judge! Who determines wat is right or wrong? Or wat is gud or bad? D only reason we av law is because ethics nd religion failed us! All r human inventions for peaceful co-existence.relativism/subjectivism teands to b d most reasonable reality.its ma life if I dnt hurt u den y giv a damn? U call it prostitution dey call it husttling,we'r all husttlers with diff methods. |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by Nobody: 9:53am On Nov 16, 2011 |
BootyOnMe: bad image |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by lucabrasi(m): 5:24pm On Nov 17, 2011 |
i showed a nigerian work colleague who just arrived from italy this thread,and he couldn't stop laughing especially the part where some are making comments that the girls are being forced to prostitute against their will. he said not only do the girls do it without any form of pressure,they jazz themselves up and charm mostly italian men who part with large sums of money as soon as they have slept with the girls, their parents prepare charms for them to use on their patrons and even other parents lobby for the established ones to take their daughter abroad to practice prostitution. he actually got all this from a girl who was still actively in the business,he even catalogued how the craze to build four flats in nigeria drives most of those girls do some so many unprintable, anyone who thinks the girls are being forced needs to remove their rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee!! 1 Like |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by Nobody: 8:06pm On Nov 17, 2011 |
lucabrasi: There are so many casual factors as others have already mentioned on this thread. But even so, it is hard to deny a common denominator to all these cases is a desire to break out of poverty at ANY cost. Prostitution, in the minds of most of these women, is seen a means to achieving a veritable end, to begin with. It is common knowledge that the proceeds of this profession - certainly in the early years when it first took hold in Europe - birthed many sprawling mansions all over Southern Nigeria, with extended communities benefiting from remittances sent by its practitioners. How do we break the cycle now? The Nigerian Government needs to make a clearer commitment, rather than abnegating its responsibilities and leaving the task of educating local communities to NGOs. It is also time the Diaspora, which contributes so much FDI annually, gets proper representation and not simply a non-functioning house-committee. Personally, I would suggest appointing a Czar (it has to be a woman) with a proven track record in the area of women's rights, to head up a new agency with a clearly defined goal of reducing the outflow of young women from Nigeria. I held back from posting the following article last week, but consider it pertinent to the discussion on this thread. [img]http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00981/thomas_981687t.jpg[/img]Source: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/motherofthree-who-sent-schoolgirl-for-sex-with-man-64-is-jailed-for-six-years-2927897.html |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by Kobojunkie: 8:35pm On Nov 17, 2011 |
Jenifa_: Representing them in what sense though? Just kidding . . . I think getting more and more individuals sensitive to the situation many of the foreigners, the gals included, live in(fear of the system rather than embracing it and taking advantage of the benefits therein), then we might get more people helping these girls, and every other newbie out there with information to help them excel. lol . . . I am actually anti-hookery, BUT I understand why women would go that low to fend for themselves or even get their needs(for attention, want, etc.) met. As I have suggested in a previously, I believe to tackle the increase, we need to go back to the root of the issue . . the family unit. |
Re: Shameful Culture Of Prostitution Among Nigerian Females In Europe by lucabrasi(m): 10:02pm On Nov 17, 2011 |
eGuerrilla:@bolded this is precisely where the problem lies, like i stated in one of my previous postings,riches or a good quality of life is relative to an individual's interpretation of it.when a lady is looking to build a mansion or four flats within 3/4 yrs of her sojourn in europe within whatever means she can, that becomes pure greed.in this situation it starts bordering on crime in which case poverty cannot be used as an excuse.because lets be honest where really does it end if poverty is used as an excuse?? there was a time when these women were exploited and trafficked by organised gangs in the 1990s but in the 2000s until the present moment the awareness is so great now that no one can come up to say they didn't have an idea of what they were travelling to europe especially europe for. eGuerrilla:in my own opinion,the causal effects starts from their immediate family and their core values, this has to be tackled because when parents begin to think the only way their female children can survive in europe is through prostitution rather than working hard at a career or business something is fundamentally wrong somewhere,its not like there are no nigerian females in italy and other eu working hard to earn a living,but they more often than not are tarred with same brush due to the activities of the ones prostituting. eGuerrilla:totally agree with this, but the problem again are the nigerian madams who live in italy,they go back to their home states flaunting their wealth to entire the young impressionable girls.the funny thing is that young men are also trafficked in italy as well according to my friend. the older rich nigerian madams bring young virile men from nigeria lock them in their houses and then buys them clothes ,feed and house them e.t.c their only jobs is to be used as sex objects and then taking them to show off and compare at parties. eGuerrilla:lets hope the edo state govt will will begin to take pro active steps matching the european union efforts, hon abide dabiri erewa is supposed to be in charge of diaporean affairs in the federal house of reps but she seems lukewarm eGuerrilla:now that the authorities are on the case,I'm sure the girl will be fully rehabilitated and hopefully recover from the horrific experience having said that cases like this are gradually becoming the minority with the latter above increasingly being the majority |
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