tpia@:

one naira

as i pointed out before, the issue isnt the origin of agbada in itself, but rather the problem of hating on yorubas while at the same time wearing attire which is associated with yorubas.

my own research [going by those photos i posted] shows it seems to be the nationalistic igbos in the past who did such. ie wore attire closely associated with another tribe.

the examples of zik, king onyeama of eke, etc.

they were noted for integration and working with yorubas.

note the quote on ilorin medicine men being brought to igboland.

feel free to prove me wrong though.

The attire is West African attire. Travel to Ghana, Burkina Faso, Togo, Liberia, etc. and you'll see the same people wearing Agbada even if Yoruba is not among the ethnic group found in their countries.  It’s a Sudano-Sahelian creation, which every African group’s especially west African groups picked up; the only thing associated to Yoruba in Nigeria is the name.  An Igbo man like me can change the name to Ezeike and that name becomes a widespread name across SE and SS, do either I or any other Igbo man have the right to claim Ezeike as ours? No.

There are Igbo groups that wore agbada long before their interaction with Yoruba. Those two men wearing agbada has two reason for wearing such attire? It's either they picked it up from their ancestors or the interaction.  How can you be so sure they wore the agbada because of Yoruba?

Nnamdi is an Anambra descendant, Anambra long before their interaction to Yoruba wore Agbada, and I posted the pictures in previous pages.

Man One Naira you are fighting the good fight lmao 3 against one you are a tough man

Crayola1:

Man One Naira you are fighting the good fight lmao 3 against one you are a tough man

One_Naira:

The attire is West African attire. Travel to Ghana, Burkina Faso, Togo, Liberia, etc. and you'll see the same people wearing Agbada even if Yoruba is not among the ethnic group found in their countries.  It’s a Sudano-Sahelian creation, which every African group’s especially west African groups picked up; the only thing associated to Yoruba in Nigeria is the name.

there's no evidence indicating the agbada did not spread from yoruba to other parts of west africa. As i pointed out before, the fulani conquest was what created a sharp demarcade between the groups now called hausa, and the yoruba.

yoruba traditionalists have a short agbada which they usually wear- check the clothing of ancient ifa priests and also yoruba warriors.


btw, do you have any explanation for why the agbada suddenly dropped out of igbo public dressing, if indeed it used to be worn by igbos in the past, as you say.

personally, i suspect the igbos wearing it might have been of yoruba ancestry.

An Igbo man like me can change the name to Ezeike and that name becomes a widespread name across SE and SS, do either I or any other Igbo man have the right to claim Ezeike is ours? No.

are you being sarcastic with this statement?

There are Igbo groups that wore agbada long before their interaction with Yoruba. Those two men wearing agbada has two reason for wearing such attire? It's either they picked it up from their ancestors or the interaction.  How can you be so sure they wore the agbada because of Yoruba?

Nnamdi is an Anambra descendant, Anambra long before their interaction to Yoruba wore Agbada, and I posted the pictures in previous pages.

i've posted the story of king onyeama of eke, who interacted heavily with ilorin mallams and also brought them to igboland.

you do the math.

tpia@:

there's no evidence indicating the agbada did not spread from yoruba to other parts of west africa. As i pointed out before, the fulani conquest was what created a sharp demarcade between the groups now called hausa, and the yoruba.

yoruba traditionalists have a short agbada which they usually wear- check the clothing of ancient ifa priests and also yoruba warriors.

Is it that hard?  Is it that hard to give the rightful owners their credit.  Crayola and someone else posted different link on the origin of Agbada.  It did not start in yorubaland and it did not spread from yorubaland.  Are you trying to claim Yoruba influenced EVERY west African group without migration.

tpia@:

btw, do you have any explanation for why the agbada suddenly dropped out of igbo public dressing, if indeed it used to be worn by igbos in the past, as you say.

personally, i suspect the igbos wearing it might have been of yoruba ancestry.

Whose picture has ileke-idi been posting just to stroke her own ego.  Are they not igbo?  That alone defeats your logic. 

Igbos wearing it ight have been of yoruba ancestry?      Tpia, so everyone has Yoruba ancestry. 

tpia@:

are you being sarcastic with this statement?

Yes.

tpia@:

i've posted the story of king onyeama of eke, who interacted heavily with ilorin mallams and also brought them to igboland.

you do the math.

King onyeama is an Agbaja descendant, a region found in Enugu. Whom did Enugu groups trade with? Anambra groups, delta igbo, etc. Refer back to Anambra wore Agbada, add in delta igbo, etc long before their interaction with Yoruba.  you do the math

Crayola1:

Man One Naira you are fighting the good fight lmao 3 against one you are a tough man

Aren't you past your bedtime?

Igbos wearing it ight have been of yoruba ancestry?

maybe.

it seems there are igbos who are unaware they might have yoruba ancestry.

they or others are unaware that is.

It’s a Sudano-Sahelian creation, which every African group’s especially west African groups picked up; the only thing associated to Yoruba in Nigeria is the name

btw your argument is a cyclic one.

if the yoruba have oral traditions linking them to the arabian peninsula and/or sudan then why is it a stretch to deduce the agbada is in fact indigenous to them?

tpia@:

btw your argument is a cyclic one.

if the yoruba have oral traditions linking them to the arabian peninsula and/or sudan then why is it a stretch to deduce the agbada is in fact indigenous to them?

Don't mind these folks, there's nothing they would love to hear more than to say Yorubas had no history or tradition before the coming of Islam and the Europeans.

tpia@:

btw your argument is a cyclic one.

if the yoruba have oral traditions linking them to the arabian peninsula and/or sudan then why is it a stretch to deduce the agbada is in fact indigenous to them?

I find that so hypocritical but I’m not surprised. Isn't it the same Yoruba’s whom are quick to deny/insult and even degrade Igbo claims to Jews as a false statement despite it’s being an oral tradition that have been circulating for century but yet you expect us to accept the Yoruba oral traditions linking them to Arabian peninsula as fact, mshweech please. You cannot have it both ways my friend.

If you are open-minded enough to actually learn the history of Abagada and it's origin refer back to Crayola's and everyone else link.

My brothers i tire.if person wan shit,he go compare am with igbo.if person wan chop, igbo.if person wan wear cloth, igbo.na only igbo dey 4 dis country abi una no see tiv,idoma,igala,hausa etc.

tpia@:

i've posted the story of king onyeama of eke, who interacted heavily with ilorin mallams and also brought them to igboland.

you do the math.

Who told you those mallams from ilorin were yorubas?

And i hope you are aware that we igbos also border the northern people so what makes you think we were not getting some attire from them? Also if Onyeama of eke can travel all the way to ilorin from anambra, what makes you think others weren't traveling to hausaland,nupe,etc. and acquiring the sahel wear you people call agbada? You people are so funny i tell ya.

i don't like tribal topics.

Another SICK THREAD! I have always wondererd y the yorubas would not let NdIGBOS BE. I think the yorubas are insecure, else, y should they always slam at the igbos, draw battle lines n post competative threads. Well, my contribution is this; Ndigbo, especially anamberians are business oriented. As bussiness men, Ndigbo are seen in all places (dont be surprise when mars explorers tells us that Ndigbo lives on planet mars, doing business, lol). As an international business man, u should easily integrate into peoples culture, you should understand and practice peoples culture, that is the only way u can excell. Yorubas can never be good business people because of jealousy and the competetive attitude they possess. An example is if u dont integrate into the housa mans culture you would not know that he detests pig meat, doing a pig meat business therefore will be madness. You could loose your customers in the north if they walk into your business arena and meets u eating pork (because 90% of them are fanatics). What am trying to say is that, because of our business nature (especially anambra people) Ndigbo tend to have a multiple personality ability, we use peoples culture to get to them. If u check very well u will notice that most of those Ndigbos in yoruba attire does business in yoruba land (especiqlly lagos). NdIgbo have a very rich culture just like the yorubas, the hausa, and the etc do. But u might not know untill u visit igbo lands, but u yorubas are not really business oriented, u lack the patience to watch one naira grow into billions or naira. My uncle markets china products. It will surprise u to know that he speaks 5 foreing languages- Chinese, inda, iranian language, etc and he does their attire, depending on if he is in china or iran or saudi or etc. But no Chinese man had ever
compared igbo and chinese culture, this is because the western worlds are better than the yorubas in business. U hardly see Ndigbo that does not speak more than one language, its all about business, educated or not.

@Ileke-Idi

Yoruba were not the first SOUTHERN group to be introduced to Islam. Yorubas were the FRIST NIGERIAN group to be introduced to Islam via Lagos, before Hausas. Hausas never learned Islam from Yorubas, dont overwork that your brain.

Makes me appreciate how we still keep unity between Christianity and Islam even up till now.

Through the Emirate Airlines I suppose?

tpia@:

king onyeama of eke [c 1870 - 1933]




his story here:

http://www.ikemefunaanyanechi.4t.com/whats_new.html

And in what world is a tunic known as a Grand Bou Bou?

tpia@:

there's no evidence indicating the agbada did not spread from yoruba to other parts of west africa.

Why do you like spreading bullshit? So Saudi Arabia adopted Yoruba dressing, or was it that the Yoruba were the original Saudis as you claimed before?

tpia@:

maybe.

it seems there are igbos who are unaware they might have yoruba ancestry.

they or others are unaware that is.

Are you not satisfied with claiming Benin? You want to claim Igbo for Yoruba, when Yoruba didn't even exist as a word 500 years ago. As you continue your ignorance you will continue to be bombarded with reply's that put you in place.

^My point is just because the agbada is found elsewhere doesnt mean its not indigenous to yoruba.

Yoruba has been linked to sudan and the arabian peninsula (not arabs) long before now.

tpia@:

^My point is just because the agbada is found elsewhere doesnt mean its not indigenous to yoruba.

Yoruba has been linked to sudan and the arabian peninsula (not arabs) long before now.

It has been linked to the Arabian peninsula through who? Odudwa the Arab? And Agbada will never be indigenous to West Africa, just like a suit and tie will never be Indigenous to Africa.

Just to put things back:

[center][img]http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/africa_islam_87.jpg[/img][/center]

Anyway, I believe the main issue here is you cant be hating on yorubas while wearing clothing specifically associated with them.

So, i hope we can move on from there.

Ileke-IdI:

White man has legitimised your culture. Easily impressed by white people.

tpia@:

Anyway, I believe the main issue here is you cant be hating on yorubas while wearing clothing specifically associated with them.

So, i hope we can move on from there.

I hope you can move on from claiming things that don't belong to your culture, like an Islamic grand bou bou or a generic tunic, or people who are not of the same ancestry as you, like the Igbo. It would make your nairaland experience a lot more pleasant and saves embarrassment.

By the way how did the Yoruba "traditional dress" transform from this:

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To this:

[center][img]http://africa.si.edu/exhibits/styles/images/Drewal5319lg.jpg[/img][/center]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

those are aso okes anit they

by the way give me a link to this. because that is not yoruba
[img]http://africa.si.edu/exhibits/styles/images/EEPA-EECL-5709lg.jpg[/img]

thanks

tpia@:

one naira

as i pointed out before, the issue isnt the origin of agbada in itself, but rather the problem of hating on yorubas while at the same time wearing attire which is associated with yorubas.

my own research [going by those photos i posted] shows it seems to be the nationalistic igbos in the past who did such. ie wore attire closely associated with another tribe.

the examples of zik, king onyeama of eke, etc.

they were noted for integration and working with yorubas.

note the quote on ilorin medicine men being brought to igboland.

feel free to prove me wrong though.

Only on NL people think Igbos hate Yorubas and vice versa. You people should separate internet from reality, unless that's your reality sha.

It's just fashion people. Fashion in Nigeria has changed. Anybody can wear anything.
Like I said before, it's of recent Yoruba's started wearing this kind of gele. Maybe madam Kofo was the inspiration. lol.

[img]http://3.bp..com/-ERIHla7jXjE/Tkw23rbkjRI/AAAAAAAAAD8/g7HbLy7EWCQ/s1600/gele-photoshoot-behind-the-scenes32.jpg[/img]

The colorful geles are a recent modification from not even Nigeria. Geles used to look more like the top picture, but they have been modified to look like this now. That is fashion. Yoruba did not start it. That is why in your weddings you were aso-oke and Igbo and south south wear them more in their weddings.

[img]http://3.bp..com/-PIGQP9aHqxY/Tkw210Qdp9I/AAAAAAAAAD4/RvjQJY1Hx74/s1600/Ade+Adetayo.png[/img]

Someone said Igbos called it Ichafu. That is why in most Igbo weddings and South South weddings they wear them more. You people should stop using internet to know the Nigerian culture, go to Naija. Everyone knows the stereotypical yoruba dressing is aso-oke, and south east to be the george and the gele. That is the Nigeria I grew up in. Let's not twist fact. I think Madam Kofo actually paved way for Yorubas to start embracing this type of gele.

See Dakore's wedding.





Igbo Wedding
[img]http://cdn.bellanaija.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Ngozi-Ekezie-and-Wale-Akintujoye-Bella-Naija002-400x600.jpg
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Even this paper-gele is becoming old school. What people wear now has this lacy texture to it in Nigeria.

This is a Yoruba girl getting married. Her sisters wore Igbo style of dressing, double wrapper george and lace top. The gele they are wearing is the modern modification of old school geles. It has a lacy texture. That is what is reigning now in Naija.



These material the girls on the side of the bride would pass for george.



On a closing note, Igbo people are not one dimensional, you can do whatever you like, wear whatever you like. It's all fashion. Afterall this is an Igbo couple on their wedding day, lol.



Same with Yoruba people. I'm sure I've seen the Indian style dressing in a couple of Yoruba weddings.

stillwater:

Only on NL people think Igbos hate Yorubas and vice versa. You people should separate internet from reality, unless that's your reality sha.

It's just fashion people. Fashion in Nigeria has changed. Anybody can wear anything.
Like I said before, it's of recent Yoruba's started wearing this kind of gele. Maybe madam Kofo was the inspiration. lol.


The colorful geles are a recent modification from not even Nigeria. Geles used to look more like the top picture, but they have been modified to look like this now. That is fashion. Yoruba did not start it. That is why in your weddings you were aso-oke and Igbo and south south wear them more in their weddings.

Someone said Igbos called it Ichafu. That is why in most Igbo weddings and South South weddings they wear them more. You people should stop using internet to know the Nigerian culture, go to Naija. Everyone knows the stereotypical yoruba dressing is aso-oke, and south east to be the george and the gele. That is the Nigeria I grew up in. Let's not twist fact. I think Madam Kofo actually paved way for Yorubas to start embracing this type of gele.

See Dakore's wedding.





Igbo Wedding


These material the girls on the side of the bride would pass for george.



On a closing note, Igbo people are not one dimensional, you can do whatever you like, wear whatever you like. It's all fashion. Afterall this is an Igbo couple on their wedding day, lol.

[img]http:///VOGUE-600x399.jpg[/img]

Same with Yoruba people. I'm sure I've seen the Indian style dressing in a couple of Yoruba weddings.

You are right my sister.

You look very pretty you know.

I don't get the contention. First of all, none of these attires are "traditional"; they're 'neo-traditional'. Secondly, virtually all cultures in Nigeria/West Africa transformed to this "neo-traditional" that we're seeing now. Search "African Attire" online and it will give you results from different areas, displaying similar development into this 'neo-traditional'. Now, of course there might be some uniqueness from one culture to the next, and of course diffusion will occur from one culture to another. Aside from those small, individual details, no one can claim anything.

alj_harem:

^^^^^^^^^^^^

those are aso okes anit they

by the way give me a link to this. because that is not yoruba

thanks

You're right. What about this one:

ok So from all that has been said I can conclude that Nigeria has got no attire of their own Yorubas, Igbos and hausas all stole their attire from other regions. Since no one is ready to accept that a particular attire is peculiar to the other tribe.

ezeagu:

You're right. What about this one:

yes another material called aso fufu. back in the 17-18 th century

u can read more here

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=rdDKeMEwPdMC&pg=PA341&dq=clothes+in+18th+century+Nigeria&hl=en&ei=SMfKTseUIoiv8AOa2JB3&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=clothes%20in%2018th%20century%20Nigeria&f=false

you can also read the igbo part there as well.

farochron:

ok So from all that has been said I can conclude that Nigeria has got no attire of their own Yorubas, Igbos and hausas all stole their attire from other regions. Since no one is ready to accept that a particular attire is peculiar to the other tribe.

It is called revisionism, but we all know the truth.