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Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by redjasper1: 3:58pm On Nov 28, 2011 |
cap28: It's common knowledge Charles Taylor was a product of the CIA, I came to expose the hand Mr.Pan Africanist Muammar Gaddafi had in the involvment of Thomas Sankara which I did. cap28: cap28: In that perspective you could say Gaddafi was more of a pawn than either Campaore or Taylor he was indirectly and directly used by both the Americans and the French! cap28: MOMO : They all met in Mauritania for a whole day … after a while they were joined by a white man from Paris. The discussions carried on, and then there was another meeting in Libya, where the Sankara problem was discussed some more. What emerged was that if we were to use Burkina Faso as a launching pad, Sankara had to be eliminated. Blaise Compaoré, would become president, and he would help us… SILVESTRO : And was Gaddafi okay with the plan ? MOMO : Yes, yes … please remember, this must all remain confidential. SILVESTRO : Yes, yes… MOMO : If Gaddafi helped Taylor, and France sent word that they were in support of the coup d’état … better yet, if France provided funds and indicated that they would recognise Compaoré’s government, then all was well. Blaise told Guengere, the current Burkinabe army chief to avail a group of commandos, Taylor provided other troops, and the coup was staged. |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by cap28: 4:46pm On Nov 28, 2011 |
red jasper it appears you didnt read the article properly - Charles Taylor was recruited by the CIA to infiltrate african liberation movements all over africa, spy on Qadaffi and overthrow Samuel Doe - Qadaffi was unwittingly roped into a plot to get rid of Sankara - a plot hatched by the CIA and implemented by Taylor and Campaore. what would Qadaffi gain from killing Sankara? On the other hand the americans and the french had a very big axe to grind with Sankara because of his plan to nationalise the resources of his country and his refusal to take on IMF/world bank loans. Even if Qadaffi had foreknowledge of america and france's plan to kill Sankara there was nothing he could have done to stop it - he might have even been their next target if he had tried- after all he had been the target of numerous assassination attempts for ovr 20 years. |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by Beaf: 11:21pm On Nov 28, 2011 |
cap28: You are bloody dense. The World does not run on any formula, most especially not the wildly daft NWO ones you propagate. America used Taylor to get rid of Doe, but Gaddafi had and Taylor had other ideas; Gaddafi wanted to actualise his megalomaniac "king of kings of Africa" idiocy and be the overall boss on the land, while Taylor wanted daimonds. They both killed Sankara to actualise their evil plans and they both got money and backing from France for the pustch. Taylor wanted an army to be able to spread instability in order to steal daimonds, while Gaddafi needed a lieutenant to be able to link his other World Revolutionary Council graduates to unleash instability and set him up as overlord. Both mens plans dovetailed and they inflicted worse atrocities on West Africa than Hitler did on the Jews. America does evil out of national interest, but Gaddafi did evil out of maniacal personal interest. Evil is evil, don't come selling any fools formula; nobody else barks at the Moon. |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by cap28: 10:59pm On Nov 29, 2011 |
Beaf: your slave mentality doesnt allow you to think straight - Libya under Qadaffi had the highest standard of living on the african continent, look around you can you see any other african country with anything near that standard of living? you are so subservient to western ideology that you even make excuses for them when they committ the most heinous crimes - here is how your argument goes: "when europeans and americans committ atrocities its because they want to remain dominant on the world stage but when a pan african arab challenges western hegemony its because he is a mad man" - do you see how flawed your argument is? do you see how inferior you feel to the white man? according to you the white man can kill and destroy as many african nations as he likes because he is only doing it to remain dominant but any non white person who dares to challenge the position of the white man is mad and unhinged - you are so pathetic. the evidence is staring you in the face that charles taylor was helped by the CIA to escape from a maximum security prison, he was also sent to spy on Qadaffi and he was allowed to massacre thousands of his own people all as a result of the help from his godfathers in washington - you better wake up and smell the coffee because the americans can very easily create a nigerian charles taylor, they have succeeded in replacing a legitimate govt in libya with a gang of racist al qaeda criminals - do you think nigeria is immune from such treachery? to date nigeria has managed to escape any attack from the west because it is run by traitors who have sold nigeria's resources off to the western multinationals - in your dim mind you actually think that nigeria is a sovereign nation - sorry to burst your bubble but nigeria is being run and controlled by shell, exxon mobil and the international banking cartels - your nigerian politicians have no say on any important issues they simply follow orders from washington and london - they are totally beholden to their western handlers - you better wake up and start living in the real world chump. |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by igbo2011(m): 11:34pm On Nov 29, 2011 |
@cap28 What do you think about Ngozi Okonjo Iweala? Do you think she is a puppet to the US and she wants to destroy Nigeria's economy or do you think she will make Nigeria better? |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by morpheus24: 11:48pm On Nov 29, 2011 |
igbo2011: Thats sort of a Rhetorical questions isn't it? You already know what he is going to answer. All black people who support any western ideology are puppets. We are just too dim to think for ourselves. Its pratically impossilbe for us to see outside of what we were bamboozled into. Maybe we should just revolt, spill blood and start from scratch again. I am waiting for that revolution. Hope it comes soon as well. All HAIL CAP28!!. 1 Like |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by igbo2011(m): 11:51pm On Nov 29, 2011 |
morpheus24:How many Nigerians are ready to die? The politicians know that most Nigerians are spineless and are too scared. They die from bad roads and bad hospitals but won't die for their country. There was an egyptian guy who is now blind due to the revloution. How many Egyptians are ready to die? |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by morpheus24: 12:03am On Nov 30, 2011 |
igbo2011: The question you should be asking is in this age of free flowing information from multiple sources vis a vis "HISTORY LESSONS", "YOU TUBE"and multiple books on the plunder of Africa, How does the spineless NIGERIAN wield all this information to transform himself into a "spinefull" revolutionary? Its like telling you the "devil exists" What are you supposed to do with that information? Can you destroy "greed" or "the lust for power" or are you just trying to change its dynamics. Hmmmmm?? |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by Beaf: 12:18am On Nov 30, 2011 |
cap28: I have tackled you with logic and posted links with concrete references, but you keep replying with sentimental tosh like the above. Are your life choices based on cheap sentiment or are they based on logic; guess which one wins any contest over and over? You have this foolishly racist idea that America is peopled by whites who are seething at their reins to finish us off. It is an irational fear born of low self esteem, paranoia and shocking avoidance of logic. It is incredible that anyone would start a thread about Gaddafi saving Africa from imperialism, whereas Gaddafi was one of Africa's worst imperialists. Keep barking at the Moon dude. I will keep furnishing you with verifiable facts, logic and links; so here's something to draw another psychadelic response from you (which as usual, will be bursted with the sheer for of logic backed by proof): [size=14pt]Indict Muammar Gaddafi now for War Crimes in Sierra Leone[/size] http://www.thepatrioticvanguard.com/spip.php?article5869 |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by cap28: 1:10am On Nov 30, 2011 |
igbo2011: She is a world bank puppet and an agent of the same destructive economic policies that are destroying africa. she was selected by her bosses at the world bank in america to negotiate the settlement of our supposed debt to the paris club during Obasanjo's first tenure. what obasanjo failed to disclose to the nigerian populace was that we had actually paid OFF ALL OF THIS DEBT TEN TIMES OVER and that we were being shafted for the interest which had been hiked to an astronomical level in order to keep us submerged in debt. Buhari to his credit REFUSED TO pay it as he realised we were being SCAMMED BY THESE CRIMINALS and instead demanded an outright cancellation - this is one of the reasons he was toppled and replaced by IBB. As you know debt is one of the greatest weapons used by the western banks to keep african nations enslaved and its masses impoverished - this is why Qadaffi was hated so much by the west, up until a few months ago Libya had no foreign debt and you can see that because they had no foreign debt they were able to provide a comprehensive social welfare system, very high standard of healthcare and education and the highest standard of living on the african continent. This was primarily because Qadaffi REFUSED TO ALLOW Libya to become a victim of the IMF/world bank debt peonage programme which nigeria remains a victim of. in john perkin's economic hitman he elaborates on the way in which america and europe use african lackeys posing as technocrats to destroy the economies of their own nations. Okonjo Iweala will definitely not make nigeria better as she is serving the interests of her masters in washington and not the interests of her own people. as you can see she is about to plunge nigerians into more misery by unleashing more IMF/world bank shock treatment on the nigerian populace, unfortunately most nigerians are totally ignorant of how western banks use debt to enslave african nations. her role is similar to the role of allassane ouattara of ivory coast - to facilitate the transfer of wealth from her own nation into the hands of her western masters. |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by cap28: 1:59am On Nov 30, 2011 |
Beaf: Your blissful ignorance is terrifying - how do you function on a daily basis? you have just posted SOMEONE's OPINION and you are now trying to pass it off as fact and logic - are you sane at all? how many times do you want me to point out to you that Charles Taylor was a creation of the CIA and not Muammar Qadaffi? why have you closed your eyes to the role that the US govt played in creating this monster? why have you completely exonerated them from any blame but have chosen instead to home in on Qadaffi? Why cant you explain to me how it was that Charles Taylor was able to escape from a maximum security prison in the US and surface a few years later in Liberia with millions of dollars in cash and arms? You obviously have zero knowledge or understanding of history or you wouldnt make such breathtakingly dumb statements - it appears you know absolutely nothing about the role that the europeans and americans have played in the genocide of black people - every single war that has been fought in africa has been incited and funded by americans and europeans and still in your fog of ignorance you accuse me of being paranoid about white racism - did you know that the ongoing war in the Congo has claimed the lives of over 6 milion congolese people since 1996 and guess who incited it? can you also guess who is selling arms to both sides in the conflict? Did you know that the US govts official policy on world population control is set out in a US state dept document entitled NSSM 200 - published in 1974 - the document sets out ways in which africa can be depopulated in order for america to have easy access to the natural resources of the various african nations. did you know that some of the recommended mechanisms for the depopulation of african nations were: war, famine , use of biological warfare and economic control through debt enslavement? i dont even know where to start educating you because your ignorance and s.tupidity is so vast. You must be one of those dim witted nigerians that just sleep walk their way through life until reality smacks them in the face. Being aware of racism does not equate to low self esteem or paranoia it equates to self empowerment through knowledge of the truth. Perhaps all those black people that were beheaded and massacred by your NATO backed al qaeda friends in libya were suffering from low self esteem and paranoia - may be thats why they ended up being slaughtered by those NATO backed lynch mobs. im done with you - you are too far gone in your ignorance, i am more likely to get more sense out of a brick wall. |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by igbo2011(m): 2:11am On Nov 30, 2011 |
@morpheus24 Christianity has kept Nigerians waiting for sky daddy to save everyone. Also praying all day without doing anything to solve problems. This is why churches are big business. Instead of building schools and hospitals just a bunch of churches. So Nigeria has politically (controlling politicians), economically (IMF/World Bank/ WTO laws benefit the west and debt goes to the west) , and cultural (enslave the mind with religion or media) imperialism. Slaves on our own land. We dn't control our own oil, we sell oil to the west and all the oil money goes to western banks. Then we buy petroleum products. This same economic structure goes with cotton, cocoa, and other commodities. Export cocoa and buy chocolate, export cotton and buy clothing. This goes to almost all African countries. It is a big plantation. Africans have been building whites wealth for 500 years and what do we get from it? No respect, they stole our history and achievements and took it as theirs. Portray us negatively all the time on the media so young hcildren can be like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybDa0gSuAcg Africans contributed so much to the world which still goes on today and the only thing we think about for our history is slavery. Check out the sungbo eredo from Benin. 2nd largest man made structure in the world and largest earthwork. Is this in any history books? http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/they-all-look-like-all-them/40200-sungbo-eredo-nigerias-hidden-wonder.html If we knew our own history and stopped doing Christianity then we would be in a better situation then we are now. Not just Africa but around the world. |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by igbo2011(m): 2:20am On Nov 30, 2011 |
cap28: Which John Perkins book did you read. Confessions of an economic hitman or America's secret empire? I need to pick those books up to learn more. Outtara used to work for the IMF. But people from the Ivory Coast want Gbagbo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaDRQEal3EU Also if Ngozi and GEJ were not stooges then America would cause more hell. Probably supply terrorists with more weapons to cause wars. Maybe boko Haram vs MEND. They are in Uganda now. If Buhari were president then he would have been overthrown or assassinated by now. Buhari would stand up to imperialism like Mugabe, Gaddaffi, Sankara, and Lumumba. But it could be disaster capitalism like in Iraq. Did you read the book shock doctine by Naomi Klein? ALso in Dambisa Moyo's book Dead Aid she doesn't talk about most politicians being foreign puppets to the west. If they don't accept aid then they most likely die or get overthrown. John Stockwell used to work in the CIA. He helped cause the war in Angola: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3ioJGMCr-Y This thing can happen in Nigeria too |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by morpheus24: 3:38am On Nov 30, 2011 |
igbo2011:And now you have shared this glorious knowledge with us. What am I supposed to do with it? Define who you are, don't let someone else do that for you. There in lies the true beginnings of the African renaissance Morphes says " everything begins with choice" not "cause and effect" |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by Beaf: 3:46am On Nov 30, 2011 |
I will carry out a simple exercise to cross out all the sentimental crap that has no bearing on the topic at hand. cap28: Great! Now Crap 28, would you be kind enough to post something based on cold, hard logic? Surely, thats not impossible for a grown man, leave the hysterical conspiracy babble to those that bark at tree's. Logic is the Worlds brightest gem, you know. Thank you. So far, the following facts remain indelibly established: [list] [li]The US sent Charles Taylor to overthrow Sergeant Doe.[/li] [li]Charles Taylor found the prospect interesting, but the lure of blood daimonds even more so.[/li] [li]Charles Taylor found a ready ally in Blaise Compaoré.[/li] [li]Blaise Compaoré introduced Charles Taylor to Gaddaffi.[/li] [li]Gaddafi was taken in by Charles Taylors plans. They would help him raise a destabilisation force on the cheap that he could use to take over W. Africa.[/li] [li]Gaddafi and Blaise Compaoré quickly came to the conclusion that to realise their evil ambitions, the great Sankara would have to die.[/li] [li]Gaddafi and Blaise Compaoré contacted France, which quickly indicated support and readiness to provide funds and recognition for Compaoré's govt.[/li] [li]Blaise Compaoré organised a putsch using rebels and mecenaries supplied by Gaddafi.[/li] [li]Sankara was killed and Blaise Compaoré took over.[/li] [li]Taylor got his army of Gaddafi supplied mecenaries from Sierra Leone, Gambia, Senegal, Ivory Coast, whom he used to attack Liberia and kick off the civil war.[/li] [li]Taylor opened up more fronts funded by Gaddafi in all diamond producing areas of W. Africa.[/li] [li]Nigeria stepped in massively and scuttled their evil plans.[/li] [/list] Facts verifiable by unambiguously recorded events and solid witness reports back up every point raised above, not the sort of hysterical fuckry that is off the mental health scales that you've been reeling off. 1 Like |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by Beaf: 3:54am On Nov 30, 2011 |
[size=14pt]Sarkozy election campaign was funded by Libya – Gaddafi son http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/16/sarkozy-election-campaign-libya-claim Crap 28, does the above make you look foolish? How does your madmans conspiratorial toolset resolve this? Lol! A new meaning has been givien to the term, cahoots. Gaddafi saves Afica by supporting European imperialist demons. Who come be demon pass na? Di man wen bring demon abi di demon imsef? Demon na demon and Gaddafi na demon. |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by Beaf: 4:05am On Nov 30, 2011 |
Crap 28, this is for you and your fellow rumour mongers! Lol! [size=14pt]Give us back our money! Saif to Sarkozy.[/size] [flash=560,315] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqrhqrCDCIg[/flash] |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by igbo2011(m): 4:29am On Nov 30, 2011 |
morpheus24:Spread the knowledge to other people. Knowing is half the battle, then devising ideas to fix it. Most people in Nigeria don't know this. |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by redjasper1: 5:53am On Nov 30, 2011 |
cap28: Thank you I read the article just fine cap28 and it now appears you have decided to conveniently rope this argument between fact and speculation! The fact is that regardless if Gaddafi had the foreknowledge of America and France's plan, he "wittingly" conspired with Campaore and Taylor to have Sankara murdered. What would Gaddaffi gain from killing Sankara? The fact that Sankara could not be bought off by any amount of money is one reason for Gaddaffi to want him dead, afterall Gaddafi's main tactic throughout sub-sahara Africa has been to buy influence through the Libyan oil wealth! Nationalization of the resources by Sankara to build a strong, incorruptible black nation with the capacity to influence it's regional neighbors is another underlying motive I suspect Gaddafi would want him dead. It's only fair now that I speculate, what would cap28 gain from defending Gaddaffi? |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by redjasper1: 6:13am On Nov 30, 2011 |
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-55042.0.html Excellent article by one of Nigeria's very own! http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/chinweizu-2.html More excellence for the dune coon lovers enjoy! As we see when we begin to explore history we must explore it objectively in it's entire detail! |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by morpheus24: 4:40pm On Nov 30, 2011 |
red jasper: He's impacting the knowledge of the great leaders of Africa that stood against the imperial military and economic Army of the West sent to devastate the "black" man and bring him to his knees in perpetual servitude ALL HEIL HITL, , oh sorry I meant Cap28 |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by cap28: 11:42am On Dec 01, 2011 |
Beaf: actually the above makes you look like the platinum plated im.becile that you are. have you heard of the word "rapprochement" ? no? well it means: to reestablish harmonious relations. Libya entered into a rapprochement with france, britain and america in 2004 - this led to the lifting of the unjust sanctions that had been imposed on Libya for over 15 years. buying of favours goes on all the time - it goes on in america and britain - in america lobbyists who act on behalf of the multinational corporations buy favours from members of congress in order to ensure that congress implement policies favourable to their businesses the same happens here in the UK - the former owner of Harrods Mohammed Al Fayed once famously said that british MPs are like rented LovePeddlers - you can get them to do whatever you want in parliament provided the price is right. therefore it should come as no suprise to you that Libya financed Sarkozy's presidential elections in order to secure France'support and backing, what you should really be focusing on is France's utter betrayal of Qadaffi. What could be worse than betraying someone who actually paid to get you into your current position? Again i say to you that Qadaffi could not be in cahoots with France if he was planning on introducing a single african currency - a currency i might add that would have put paid to France's economic stranglehold over all of its french west african former colonies. Neither could he have been in cahoots with the imperialists if he had financed the creation of the African Monetary Fund which would have replaced the IMF - again the replacement of the IMF with the AMF would have ended once and for all europe and america's control over the economies of african nations. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?- If i have to list the positive things that Qadaffi did for africa i would say that the above two acts indicate that he is a true pan africanist who wanted to end africa's exploitation by europe and america - shall we contrast that with what your european and american masters have done and are still continuing to do in africa: toppling /assassination of democratically elected leaders who refuse IMF/world bank debt enslavement and neo liberal economic policies which enrich foreign corporations but impoverish their own people. using debt slavery to keep african nations economically backward and dependant sponsoring brutal wars and propping up of tin pot dictators selling arms to both sides of conflicts which THEY incite and initiate sponsoring and arming brutal terrorist groups like al qaeda and charles taylor's NPFL and using them to overthrow and destabilise sovereign nations invading and bombing nations that refuse to be forced on to the IMF and world bank plantation. the list is endless, |
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by Beaf: 3:41am On Dec 02, 2011 |
cap28: After saying the above, you should shut up for good. It is stup!d to continue singing Gaddafi's praises as if he was not one of the imperialist phucking Africa in vile ways. He bought favours from those you call the devil? That makes him a devil too in simple logic; a handler of stolen goods is as much a thief as the thief himself. Contrast that with Sankara who refused to trade, because he was imbued with uprightness, principle, morality, intelligence and love for his people. He was everything Gaddafi never was and even in death, his name remains indelible in the African consciousness; Gaddafi, on the other hand is a rancid dog, spat on, even by his own people. By the way, the favours Gaddafi buy and sold included the death of Sankara and the amputation of babies limbs in Sierra Leone. The favours Gaddafi traded would have seen him in the Hague like a common criminal, if he had not met an inglorious end. Your very own words above, show that you cannot see the wood for the trees and sum you up as the psychedelic bum you are, tugging at the loony fringes. |
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