@Olaadegbu
You call yourself a christian yet it is an atheist who is not subject to the moral high standards of a christian that is exposing your dis-honesty. You really are a dis-grace to the body of christ. It is your likes that give un believers ammunition to ridicule christians.

mazaje:

Your dishonesty is out for all to see. . .Again what was Jesus drinking when the people called him drunkard?. . .

Since when did atheists begin to use God's yardstick to determine who is dishonest?  Since you don't believe in the existence of God don't you think it will be a waste of my time to be discussing what Jesus drank with you?  God doesn't believe in atheists.

mazaje:

Your dishonesty is out for all to see. . .Again what was Jesus drinking when the people called him drunkard?. . .

Interesting, what do you think? Heineken or Star extra lager? Jesus loves you, smile mazaje.

Pastor Kun:

@Olaadegbu
You call yourself a christian yet it is an atheist who is not subject to the moral high standards of a christian that is exposing your dis-honesty. You really are a dis-grace to the body of christ. It is your likes that give un believers ammunition to ridicule christians.

So you think because I don't agree with the accusers of Jesus that He was a glutton and drunkard or that John the Baptist was demon possessed you accuse me of being a disgrace to the body of Christ? I would rather rejoice that you and your atheists friends have joined the accusers of Jesus in condemning me, they said worse than that to Jesus and John the Baptist.

Image123:

Interesting, what do you think? Heineken or Star extra lager? Jesus loves you, smile mazaje.

Does he even believe that Jesus exists? I wonder why these atheists worry their heads on what they don't believe in?

OLAADEGBU:

So you think because I don't agree with the accusers of Jesus that He was a glutton and drunkard or that John the Baptist was demon possessed you accuse me of being a disgrace to the body of Christ?  I would rather rejoice that you and your atheists friends have joined the accusers of Jesus in condemning me, they said worse than that to Jesus and John the Baptist.

Pity - the similar victim angle and twisting of posts to paint yourself as some sort of martyr. It is a pity that atheists can see the truth in this matter yet you can't. Your duplicitous nature is being exposed just like Paul called out Peter for attempting to pander to the whims of the Jews.

Was Paul also an accuser of Jesus then?  

OLAADEGBU:

Since when did atheists begin to use God's yardstick to determine who is dishonest?  Since you don't believe in the existence of God don't you think it will be a waste of my time to be discussing what Jesus drank with you?  God doesn't believe in atheists.

God's yardstick? What does that mean?. . .Ohh, its a waste of time to be discussing what Jesus drank with me but it isn't a waste of time to discuss that Jesus is still seeking for my alleged lost soul, eh?. . .Interesting. . .The verdict is out. .Your inability to answer the question says you know very well that you have been lying to yourself when you say that Jesus did not drink alcohol. . .When the bible clearly says he drank alcohol. . .

The problem is that fundamentalists people keep thinking taking alcohol is the sin, so you can't imagine how Jesus could take alcohol. It is alcoholism or drunkeness that is the sin.

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"For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners."'" (Matthew 11:18 / Luke 7:33-34)

Jesus contrasted Himself with John the Baptist. Jesus said that John did not eat bread nor drink wine, but Jesus did eat and drink.

What was the difference between Jesus and John, that would make Jesus use this contrast as an example?  

Obviously Jesus was saying that HE drank alcohol (which is not a sin, but I'm sure he didn't get drunk, which is the sin) and ate good food.

They called him a drunkard and a glutton because they were looking for an opportunity to accuse him. Seeing Jesus eat and take wine was enough for them to quickly label him. Would they label him if he never came near alcoholic wine?  

And once again, even while dying on the cross Jesus took some alcohol and it was his final drink. Wine Vinegar is NOT non-alcoholic.

"A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus' lips. When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." (John 19:29-30)

debosky:

Pity - the similar victim angle and twisting of posts to paint yourself as some sort of martyr. It is a pity that atheists can see the truth in this matter yet you can't. Your duplicitous nature is being exposed just like Paul called out Peter for attempting to pander to the whims of the Jews.

Was Paul also an accuser of Jesus then?

Don't be too quick to rejoice that atheists and satanists are supporting your stand, what this portrays is that you are in the category of those Pharisees who accused Jesus of being a glutton and a drunkard. If you and your bedfellows accuse me of duplicity how does that differ from what the accuser of the brethren did?

debosky:

Pity - the similar victim angle and twisting of posts to paint yourself as some sort of martyr. It is a pity that atheists can see the truth in this matter yet you can't. Your duplicitous nature is being exposed just like Paul called out Peter for attempting to pander to the whims of the Jews.

Was Paul also an accuser of Jesus then?  

+100

Play the victim and accuse others of getting it all wrong and persecuting you is the name of the game. . .But seriously why do religious people love playing the victim game all the time, claiming martyrdom and manipulating themselves thinking they are manipulating others?. . .Once OLAADEGBU's positions are challenged he starts crying and singing his normal songs of standing for christ while others are standing with the atheist and evolutionists to discredit the bible, trying to systematically promote himself and his delusions as the ultimate truth. . .Pathetic. . .

@Olaadegbu @debosky

The fact that Jesus took alcohol does not mean he was rightly accused as a drunkard.

Not everyone who takes alcohol is a drunkard. A drunkard is a chronic drinker who is continuously under the influence of alcohol.

In the 1st and 2nd centuries, a glutton was a person who regularly attended banquet feasts. All kinds of exotic dishes were prepared like Peacock Brains, Flamingo tongues and Elephant ears. Meals often had up to 100 courses or more. These organised feasts just for the pleasure of consumption also provided private tents where participants could go to vomit up thier food. A long feather was provided to help vomit and aftrwards the person could rest for a while and then resume the eating. These were banquets that lasted for days.

Jesus was recorded to have eaten as a guest in many places, and this was why they called him a glutton: obviously an exaggeration as above. By the same token, for them to have called him a drunkard (in exaggeration nonetheless), he must have been known to take some wine when he dined.

OLAADEGBU:

Don't be too quick to rejoice that atheists and satanists are supporting your stand, what this portrays is that you are in the category of those Pharisees who accused Jesus of being a glutton and a drunkard.  If you and your bedfellows accuse me of duplicity how does that differ from what the accuser of the brethren did?

. . .The bird that never stops giving. . .

OLAADEGBU:

Don't be too quick to rejoice that atheists and satanists are supporting your stand, what this portrays is that you are in the category of those Pharisees who accused Jesus of being a glutton and a drunkard.  If you and your bedfellows accuse me of duplicity how does that differ from what the accuser of the brethren did?

Paul accused Peter of hypocrisy - that is all I am doing here. Can you answer the simple question and move away from this ridiculous name calling you specialise in?

What was Jesus drinking when the people called him a drunkard?

Thelstan:

@Olaadegbu @debosky

The fact that Jesus took alcohol does not mean he was rightly accused as a drunkard.

Not everyone who takes alcohol is a drunkard. A drunkard is a chronic drinker who is continuously under the influence of alcohol.

In the 1st and 2nd centuries, a glutton was a person who regularly attended banquet feasts. All kinds of exotic dishes were prepared like Peacock Brains, Flamingo tongues and Elephant ears. Meals often had up to 100 courses or more. These organised feasts just for the pleasure of consumption also provided private tents where participants could go to vomit up thier food. A long feather was provided to help vomit and aftrwards the person could rest for a while and then resume the eating. These were banquets that lasted for days.

Jesus was recorded to have eaten as a guest in many places, and this was why they called him a glutton: obviously an exaggeration as above. By the same token, for them to have called him a drunkard (in exaggeration nonetheless), he must have been known to take some wine when he dined.

Not in OLAADEGBU's world. . .His holy Jesus never came near alcohol. . . .

debosky:

Pity - the similar victim angle and twisting of posts to paint yourself as some sort of martyr. It is a pity that atheists can see the truth in this matter yet you can't. Your duplicitous nature is being exposed just like Paul called out Peter for attempting to pander to the whims of the Jews.

Was Paul also an accuser of Jesus then?

That I would be persecuted is part of the bargain that I signed up for. If they persecuted my Lord for saying the Truth who am I not to be? The atheists that you said can see the "truth" that Jesus drank alcohol but cannot see the truth as to the reason why Jesus came is what you are rejoicing about. If you really cared about the truth you will be concerned about the state of his soul if he should die without Jesus.

mazaje:

God's yardstick? What does that mean?. . .

God is the Moral Law giver and you don't believe that there a ultimate Moral Law but relative laws made up by men to suit their whims and caprices.  Whose Law are you using as a yardstick to determine someone is dishonest?

mazaje:

Ohh, its a waste of time to be discussing what Jesus drank with me but it isn't a waste of time to discuss that Jesus is still seeking for my alleged lost soul, eh?. . .Interesting. . .

I'll rather discuss how your soul can get saved because you are still better off than those who with their mouth think that God exists but with their actions they live as if He doesn't.

mazaje:

The verdict is out. .Your inability to answer the question says you know very well that you have been lying to yourself when you say that Jesus did not drink alcohol. . .When the bible clearly says he drank alcohol. . .

Do you believe that the Bible is telling the truth?

OLAADEGBU:

That I would be persecuted is part of the bargain that I signed up for.  If they persecuted my Lord for saying the Truth who am I not to be?  The atheists that you said can see the "truth" that Jesus drank alcohol but cannot see the truth as to the reason why Jesus came is what you are rejoicing about.  If you really cared about the truth you will be concerned about the state of his soul if he should die without Jesus.

. . .Where did he say he is rejoicing over anything, pls can you show me?. . .When will you stop putting words into people's mouth?. . .That's a sign of being fraudulent. . .

OLAADEGBU:

Does he even believe that Jesus exists? I wonder why these atheists worry their heads on what they don't believe in?

He knows that Jesus exists bro.

OLAADEGBU:

Does he even believe that Jesus exists?  I wonder why these atheists worry their heads on what they don't believe in?

He knows that Jesus exists bro.

OLAADEGBU:

God is the Moral Law giver and you don't believe that there no ultimate Moral Law but relative laws made up by men to suit their whims and caprices.  Whose Law are you using as a yardstick to determine someone is dishonest?

Which God exactly?. . .Your God is the moral law giver yet we have your God giving laws that inspire our(christians inclusive) repulsion, eh?. . .Interesting. . .Men decide what is moral and what is immoral. . . . Reality points to that at least. . .I use the yardstick set out by men to determine what is honest and what is dishonest. . .

I'll rather discuss how your soul can get saved because you are still better off than those who with their mouth think that God exists but with their actions they live as if He doesn't.

Your actions have betrayed you here, your actions says you are a hypocrite and a liar. . .

Do you believe that the Bible is telling the truth?

I am simply repeating what the bible says, whether I believe it or not is irrelevant. . .You are the one trying to spin what it says and make it say something else, that action is what is termed as lying. . .

Image123:

He knows that Jesus exists bro.

Even you don't know whether Jesus existed or not. . you only BELIEVE he existed and that's where it ends. . It begins and ends with BELIEF. . .

debosky:

Paul accused Peter of hypocrisy - that is all I am doing here. Can you answer the simple question and move away from this ridiculous name calling you specialise in?

Don't be too quick to identify yourself with Paul.  Paul corrected Peter and I don't see how that makes Paul an accuser of the brethren.

debosky:

What was Jesus drinking when the people called him a drunkard?

Since you believe that Jesus drank alcohol because His accusers called Him a drunkard, do you also believe John the Baptist was demon-possessed because his accusers labelled him so?

OLAADEGBU:


Since you believe that Jesus drank alcohol because His accusers called Him a drunkard, do you also believe John the Baptist was demon-possessed because his accusers labelled him so?

He asked you a simple question. will you answer it or not?. . .Again. . .What was Jesus drinking when the people called him a drunkard?. . .

OLAADEGBU:

Since you believe that Jesus drank alcohol because His accusers called Him a drunkard, do you also believe John the Baptist was demon-possessed because his accusers labelled him so?

That's rather straightforward though. Jesus drank alcohol and so they called him a drunkard. John was a wild man of the spirit, eating locusts and wild honey and spreading the gospel without any concern for mundane affairs; and so they would call him a demon-possessed person.

mazaje:

Not in OLAADEGBU's world. . .His holy Jesus never came near alcohol. . . .

So you think forcing alcohol into Jesus' mouth gives you the green light to go on a drinking spree? My friend, if you want to drink no one is stopping you just don't use the Bible as your excuse.

OLAADEGBU:

So you think forcing alcohol into Jesus' mouth gives you the green light to go on a drinking spree? My friend, if you want to drink no one is stopping you just don't use the Bible as your excuse.

Use the bible as an excuse . . . Are you kidding me?. . .

mazaje:

. . .Where did he say he is rejoicing over anything, pls can you show me?. . .When will you stop putting words into people's mouth?. . .That's a sign of being fraudulent. . .

He claimed that you could see the "truth," is that not worth rejoicing over?

Image123:

He knows that Jesus exists bro.

Does he? No wonder why he practically dwells in the religion section. God still doesn't believe in atheists.

The thread has been taken over by ad hominem posts.

Nothing more to see here.  

OLAADEGBU:

He claimed that you could see the "truth," is that not worth rejoicing over?

Sure not me alone, other christians saw it as well. . .What was Jesus drinking when the people called him a drunk?. . .The fact that you don't want to answer it says a lot. . .

mazaje:

Which God exactly?. . .Your God is the moral law giver yet we have your God giving laws that inspire our(christians inclusive) repulsion, eh?. . .Interesting. . .Men decide what is moral and what is immoral. . . . Reality points to that at least. . .I use the yardstick set out by men to determine what is honest and what is dishonest. . .

Fishy Morality indeed.

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mazaje:

Your actions have betrayed you here, your actions says you are a hypocrite and a lair. . .

What actions? The moment you realise what hypocrisy and lies mean that is the day that you will be free indeed.

mazaje:

I am simply repeating what the bible says, whether I believe it or not is irrelevant. . .You are the one trying to spin what it says and make it say something else, that action is what is termed as lying. . .

The Bible you don't believe in tells you that lying is a sin. Are you still not using the Bible as your moral yardstick?