Of course ISAAC was born

"Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."" - Genesis 22:2

Remember by this time, Abraham has sent Hagar and her son Ishmael away.

So only Isaac was left.

Get your facts right, or don't utter a word on what you do not know !!

I have not read the koran but i have read the bible,according to the bible it was Issac,in my view i will agree with the Muslims. Reasonably the first son was Ishmael NOT Issac,God said that Abraham should sacrifice his ONLY son which was Ishnael,this means that Issac was not yet born.

Read this:

http://answering-islam.org/Morin/ish.html

LagosShia:

My friend you are either doing these things deliberately to waste our time or you are very a dumb person who only copies and pastes.

please mahn,it was from your online Koran. It clearly states that Allah appeared in a stately form and conveyed the message

“Till he was at a distant of two bows”.who is the “he” in that verse? Does the verse say it is Allah? why do you use brackets to interprete it as you like to support your own confusion?

why are you covering up in ignorance,it clearly and i repeat, clearly states that it is ALLAH, and Mohammad saw him and was the first to believe.

The verse is talking about Angel Gabriel and not Allah.

This verse says it was Allah,without compromise, my other verse says it was Gabriel,without compromise.

Now let us read the verses and please pay attention to the last verse:

Quran 53:3-18
“It is not but a revelation revealed, Taught to him by one intense in strength -One of soundness. And he rose to [his] true form. While he was in the higher [part of the] horizon. Then he approached and descended. And was at a distance of two bow lengths or nearer. And he revealed to His Servant what he revealed. The heart did not lie [about] what it saw. So will you dispute with him over what he saw? And he certainly saw him in another descent. At the Lote Tree of the Utmost Boundary -Near it is the Garden of Refuge -When there covered the Lote Tree that which covered [it]. The sight [of the Prophet] did not swerve, nor did it transgress [its limit]. He certainly saw of the greatest signs of his Lord.

On my bolded,is Mohammad the servant of Gabriel or Allah? or is Allah and Gabriel (2) in (1) god?

You tried as much as possible not to include Allah, neither did you prove it is Gabriel.
From the online site I got it, Yusuf Ali's comments even boasted of Allah appearance to his servant in a manly form,and you are here covering their, and the Koran's mess.

the Quran clearly states that Allah cannot be seen:

"Sight cannot reach Him" (6:103).

"Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted".
(Surah al-An'aam: 103)

Many verses says he cant be seen,while some says he can be seen.

Allah SWT said in Surat AlA'raf:

143. and when Mûsa (Moses) came at the time and place appointed by us, and his Lord spoke to him, He said: "O My Lord! show Me (Yourself), that I may look upon You." Allâh said: "You cannot see Me, but look upon the mountain if it stands still In its place Then You shall see me." so when his Lord appeared to the mountain , He made it collapse to dust, and Mûsa (Moses) fell down unconscious. Then when He recovered his senses He said: "Glory be to you, I turn to You In repentance and I am the first of the believers."

I thought Mohammad was the first to believe? Mohammad lied, and the Koran lied too.

LagosShia:

never!

you can only copy and paste nonsense.you can watch these videos about your alleged contradictions on the number of days of the creation and on alexander the great and the setting of the sun:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Dev0OrSGs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8R2rVgD2ok

Why are you directing me to videos instead of your Koran?
Since the Koran is the one and only, I dont need your filty videos.

@Lagosshia, I'm waiting to see what you will come up with next in the light of this fallacy/error.

Judek2:

please mahn,it was from your online Koran. It clearly states that Allah appeared in a stately form and conveyed the message

why are you covering up in ignorance,it clearly and i repeat, clearly states that it is ALLAH, and Mohammad saw him and was the first to believe.

This verse says it was Allah,without compromise, my other verse says it was Gabriel,without compromise.

we are talking here of the same verse in chapter 53 of the Holy Quran verses no 5 & 10. known as "Surat An-Najm".the verse appears with pronouns.what you did is to make use of brackets and inject the word "ALLAH" in a bracket to support your confusion that the verse is talking about Allah appearing to Muhammad.the translation i provided (as you can see it below one more time) does not include brackets.it translates the verses from the orginal arabic verbatim without added interpretation through the use of parenthesis.for you to understand who appeared and who did not,you simply need to read from verse 3 to verse 19 as you can see the passage below.


Quran 53:3-18
“It is not but a revelation revealed, Taught to him by one intense in strength -One of soundness. And he rose to [his] true form. While he was in the higher [part of the] horizon. Then he approached and descended. And was at a distance of two bow lengths or nearer. And he revealed to His Servant what he revealed. The heart did not lie [about] what it saw. So will you dispute with him over what he saw? And he certainly saw him in another descent. At the Lote Tree of the Utmost Boundary -Near it is the Garden of Refuge -When there covered the Lote Tree that which covered [it]. The sight [of the Prophet] did not swerve, nor did it transgress [its limit]. He certainly saw of the greatest signs of his Lord.[/b]

here is the translation you presented and examine it to see your foul play of placing names where pronouns appear or the foul play of whoever you copied it from:

(Surah 53:5 & 10)
He (Muhammad) was taught by one mighty in power,enduced with wisdom: for he appeared (in stately form)
(10)So did (Allah) convey the inspiration of his servant.
Another translation of the Koran says-
9) Till he (Allah) was (distant) two bows’
length or even nearer,
10) And He revealed unto His slave
that which He revealed.

On my bolded,is Mohammad the servant of Gabriel or Allah? or is Allah and Gabriel (2) in (1) god?

here are your bolded bolded:

1.) "And he rose to [his] true form"
2.) "And he revealed to His Servant what he revealed".

here is what the pronouns mean:

"And he (Gabriel) rose to his true form"
"And he (Gabriel) revealed to His (Allah's) Servant what he (Gabriel) revealed".

note that the pronoun (he) that appears for Gabriel,the letter "h" is not capitalized.while the pronoun (He) that appears for Allah,the letter "H" is capitalized.

then,after the entire narration,the last verse of the narration says it all:

"He (Muhammad) certainly saw of the greatest signs (Gabriel and his revelations) of his Lord (Allah)". note that the last verse (no.19) does not say at all that Muhammad (sa) saw his Lord but it says that Muhammad (sa) saw "signs of his Lord".

You tried as much as possible not to include Allah, neither did you prove it is Gabriel.

i have gone a step further to prove that it is Gabriel (as) that appeared and not Allah.i hope you for once accept the truth of the matter.

From the online site I got it, Yusuf Ali's comments even boasted of Allah appearance to his servant in a manly form,and you are here covering their, and the Koran's mess.

please present the link of the website where Yusuf Ali boasted of Allah's appearance to His servant.i want to examine it if you are truthful.

Many verses says he cant be seen,while some says he can be seen.

no sir.that is not the case.if that is the case it will amount to contradiction.rather,all the verses i presented show that Allah cannot be seen and was not seen.the verses you presented as Allah appearing to Muhammad (sa) is based on your confusion and misinterpretation of the pronouns.

I thought Mohammad was the first to believe? Mohammad lied, and the Koran lied too.

both Muhammad (sa) and Moses (as) were the first believers among their peoples.Muhammad (sa) and Moses (as) did not live in the same period of time.they lived about 2000 years apart.

plappville:

To the bold:It is not my name, i am a full married woman, u are just exposing urself in NL grow up plz,
Not surprise anyway, its an inheritance from your prophet, how those slave women were handled, according to your hadiths. @bashy_demy will insult us as coward, @uplawal will curse us that we will died becos of allah, what else?

you dont have to be parading yourself in the streets for you to behave like one.your husband must really be having a terrible time living with you.our Prophet (sa) had utmost respect for women and according to hadiths i can provide you with.but as for your bible,your so called holy book,here is how women are maltreated:

"Women In Christianity And The Bible"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-821509.0.html

U muslims are taught violence, i wonder how responssible u are talking like tose teenage in a collage.

"Biblical Verses Of Killing And Terror"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-817498.0.html

"Killing Children Is Bible Miracle"!
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-735998.0.html

"Everyone Should Be Stoned In The Bible"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-817500.0.html

"According To The Bible:if Your Wife Saves Your Life,you Cut Off Her Hand"!
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=736626.msg8931460#msg8931460

"the Christian God:blood And Human Sacrifice"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-651811.0.html

"Violent Christians,"turn-the-cheek" Pretenders Burning London And Other Cities"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-732120.0.html

"Weekly Crusaders' Report-this Thread Would Be Updated Regularly"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-732741.0.html

"Norway Christian Terrorist Motive:"to Demand Crusade Against Spread Of Islam"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-719777.0.html

"German Priest Burns Himself To Death To Protest Spread Of Islam"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-551584.0.html

Second bold, sorry,That was done sfter Mohamed came back to his senses. Leave those your stories, u think u can be wiser than Islamic Historian, they love Mohamed far more than u think u do, they just expose what is called the truth, not because they are meant to tarnish Muhammed's image. They are all truth stp decieving urselves, u are all worshiping IDOLs, KAABA'S ORIGINAL IDOLATERY HISTORY REMAINS VALID. No matter how muslim try to paint it white.

if facing the Ka'ba is idolatry then the bible God also supports idolatry:

Daniel 10: 11-12
“Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber towards Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God as he did aforetime.”

Jonah 2:4-7
"Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple. The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head. I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God. When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple".

1 Kings 8:29
"That thine eyes may be open toward this house night and day, even toward the place of which thou hast said, My name shall be there: that thou mayest hearken unto the prayer which thy servant shall make toward this place".

Genesis 28:18
"Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it".

Genesis 31:13
"I am the God of Bethel, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred".

@Lagoshia, here is the website.

Http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/053.asp

53:2 Your Companion is neither astray
nor being misled.
Ma dalla sahibukum wamaghawa

53:3 Nor does he say (aught) of (his
own) Desire.
Wama yantiqu AAani alhawa

53:4 It is no less than inspiration sent
down to him:
In huwa illa wahyun yooha

53:5 He was taught by one Mighty in
Power,
AAallamahu shadeedu alquwa

53:6 Endued with Wisdom: for he
appeared (in stately form);
Thoo mirratin faistawa[/b]

53:7 While he was in the highest part
of the horizon:
Wahuwa bial-ofuqi al-aAAla

53:8 Then he approached and came
closer,
Thumma dana fatadalla

53:9 And was at a distance of but two
bow-lengths or (even) nearer;
Fakana qaba qawsayni aw adna

53:10 So did (Allah) convey the
inspiration to His Servant-
(conveyed) what He (meant) to
convey.
Faawha ila AAabdihi maawha

53:11 The (Prophet's) (mind and) heart
in no way falsified that which he
saw.
Ma kathaba alfu-adu maraa

They even translated it in Arabic.
Your Koran is a 5th hand commodity

"And he (Gabriel) rose to his true form"
"And he (Gabriel) revealed to His (Allah's) Servant what he (Gabriel) revealed".

Maka Chi,!!
@Lagoshia, what you wrote above is very ridiculous.
Why not remove (his) entirely and put Allah's servant
because (his (Allah's) servant) is rather irrational
or go and complain to a Koran editor.

hey Judek,here is the claim you made in the previous post:

Judek2:


You tried as much as possible not to include Allah, neither did you prove it is Gabriel.
From the online site I got it, Yusuf Ali's comments even boasted of Allah appearance to his servant in a manly form,and you are here covering their, and the Koran's mess.

the link you presented did not contain the "comments" of Yusuf Ali and neither did i find him boasting as you claimed that Allah appeared to Muhammad.

so you have lied on Yusuf Ali.you should apologize for that.

Judek2:

@Lagoshia, here is the website.

Http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/053.asp

53:10 So did (Allah) convey the
inspiration to His Servant-
(conveyed) what He (meant) to
convey.
Faawha ila AAabdihi maawha

in the arabic above it says: Fa awha ila Abd[b]ihi[/b] ma awha.it means "and he revealed unto His servant what he revealed".that is translation word for word.the verse in arabic does not include the word "Allah" in arabic.you can confirm from anyone who can read arabic.

and furthermore,the above translation does not prove at all that Allah appeared to Muhammad.it only translated (not word for word) but the meaning of the verse that Allah revealed something unto His Servant which is ofcourse through Gabriel if we are to translate word for word.

another point,based on the translation you copied which is also correct,is that the verse says :"Allah conveyed inspiration to His servant".clearly,the verse does not claim that Allah appeared.that is not in the translation.

Jazakum Lagoshia

bashy_demy:

Jazakum Lagoshia

may Allah (swt) reward you too abundantly!

LagosShia:

you dont have to be parading yourself in the streets for you to behave like one.your husband must really be having a terrible time living with you.[/b]our Prophet (sa) had utmost respect for women and according to hadiths i can provide you with.but as for your bible,your so called holy book,here is how women are maltreated:

[b]"Women In Christianity And The Bible"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-821509.0.html


"Biblical Verses Of Killing And Terror"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-817498.0.html

"Killing Children Is Bible Miracle"!
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-735998.0.html

"Everyone Should Be Stoned In The Bible"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-817500.0.html

"According To The Bible:if Your Wife Saves Your Life,you Cut Off Her Hand"!
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=736626.msg8931460#msg8931460

"the Christian God:blood And Human Sacrifice"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-651811.0.html

"Violent Christians,"turn-the-cheek" Pretenders Burning London And Other Cities"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-732120.0.html

"Weekly Crusaders' Report-this Thread Would Be Updated Regularly"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-732741.0.html

"Norway Christian Terrorist Motive:"to Demand Crusade Against Spread Of Islam"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-719777.0.html

"German Priest Burns Himself To Death To Protest Spread Of Islam"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-551584.0.html

if facing the Ka'ba is idolatry then the bible God also supports idolatry:

Daniel 10: 11-12
“Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber towards Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God as he did aforetime.”

Jonah 2:4-7
"Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple. The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head. I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God. When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple".

1 Kings 8:29
"That thine eyes may be open toward this house night and day, even toward the place of which thou hast said, My name shall be there: that thou mayest hearken unto the prayer which thy servant shall make toward this place".

Genesis 28:18
"Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it".

Genesis 31:13
"I am the God of Bethel, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred".

[size=16pt]I know it hurt u because of the truth been exposed, but that is not enough reason to show irresponsibility in public place. U will ve more insultive words to use then, because i can't stop exposing the falsehold of ISLAM. [/size]

plappville:

[size=16pt]I know it hurt u because of the truth been exposed, but that is not enough reason to show irresponsibility in public place. U will ve more insultive words to use then, because i can't stop exposing the falsehold of ISLAM. [/size]

keep "exposing" and dream on and i will also do my own exposition.then we shall see where falsehood lies!

provocation will not help your christianity again.not in this forum.i will teach you fools that to discuss religion has nothing to do with provoking and insulting the religions and beliefs of others.you misuse this forum so much and particularly in talking nonsense about Islam.now i have turned the tables on your heads.you will keep crying as my presence will continue to burden you.

LagosShia:

may Allah (swt) reward you too abundantly!

Same to you brother

LagosShia:

hey Judek,here is the claim you made in the previous post:

the link you presented did not contain the "comments" of Yusuf Ali and neither did i find him boasting as you claimed that Allah appeared to Muhammad.

so you have lied on Yusuf Ali.you should apologize for that.

I admit that the link I posted didnt contain a comment from Yusuf Ali. .Its a mistake of another comment,"not Yusuf Ali"

in the arabic above it says: Fa awha ila Abd[b]ihi[/b] ma awha.it means "and he revealed unto His servant what he revealed".that is translation word for word.the verse in arabic does not include the word "Allah" in arabic.you can confirm from anyone who can read arabic.

You can post and claim anything in Arabic,i'm not interested. I'm dealing with the English translation available.

and furthermore,the above translation does not prove at all that Allah appeared to Muhammad.it only translated (not word for word) but the meaning of the verse that Allah revealed something unto His Servant which is ofcourse through Gabriel if we are to translate word for word.

Every sentence on that in literal English claims and points direct finger to Allah. Some included Allah in bracket some did not. It says So did [Allah] convey the inspiration to his servant

This clearly states of the first persons message. He conveyed it to his own servant,by himself not through anybody.
Since Mohammad is not Gabriel's servant or(slave). Or is he?

LagosShia:

another point,based on the translation you copied which is also correct,is that the verse says :"Allah conveyed inspiration to His servant".clearly,the verse does not claim that Allah appeared.that is not in the translation.

[53:4] It was divine inspiration.
[53:5] Dictated by the Most Powerful.
[53:6] Possessor of all authority.From [b]His highest height.[/b]
[53:7] At the highest horizon.
[53:8] He drew nearer by moving down.
[53:9] Until He became as close as possible.
[53:10] He then revealed to His servant what was to be revealed

The same person who is the most powerful,who posses all authority from his own highest height,drew nearer by moving down,until he came close enough,(to the view of Mohammad), so the same person revealed to his own servant what was to be revealed.
Surely Mohammad saw Allah because he came close enough,the other verses states that he saw what he saw,because he saw him the secont time.

Is Gabriel the most powerful? Possesion of all authority from his highest height?
Or is Mohammad Gabriel's servant?

The whole verses is Self explanatery.

Judek2:

I admit that the link I posted didnt contain a comment from Yusuf Ali. .Its a mistake of another comment,"not Yusuf Ali"

You can post and claim anything in Arabic,i'm not interested. I'm dealing with the English translation available.

Every sentence on that in literal English claims and points direct finger to Allah. Some included Allah in bracket some did not. It says So did [Allah] convey the inspiration to his servant

This clearly states of the first persons message. He conveyed it to his own servant,by himself not through anybody.
Since Mohammad is not Gabriel's servant or(slave). Or is he?

my friend your ignorance would not be my limitation.i have told you in arabic there is a pronoun used and not the word "ALLAH".you keep insisting it is Allah that appeared.suit yourself.

I am a Muslim and i do not believe that Chapter 53 says that God showed Himself to Muhammad (sa).all argument aside,reading the finally verse in the sequence of the narration which is verse no.18 in Chapter 53 shows that God revealed His signs to Muhammad (sa) and it does not say God revealed "Himself".

"He certainly saw of the greatest signs of his Lord".(Holy Quran 53:18)
so if you want to believe it was God that appeared to Muhammad (sa),that would be your christian belief and not a muslim belief.I do not believe God can be seen just the way i do not believe there is any possibility for something called trinity to exist.whatever interpretation you cling on to would be a christian belief and not a muslim one.

quote author=Judek2

[53:4] It was divine inspiration.
[53:5] Dictated by the Most Powerful.
[53:6] Possessor of all authority.From His highest height.
[53:7] At the highest horizon.
[53:8] He drew nearer by moving down.
[53:9] Until He became as close as possible.
[53:10] He then revealed to His servant what was to be revealed

The same person who is the most powerful,who posses all authority from his own highest height,drew nearer by moving down,until he came close enough,(to the view of Mohammad), so the same person revealed to his own servant what was to be revealed.
Surely Mohammad saw Allah because he came close enough,the other verses states that he saw what he saw,because he saw him the secont time.

Is Gabriel the most powerful? Possesion of all authority from his highest height?
Or is Mohammad Gabriel's servant?

The whole verses is Self explanatery.
___________________________

As I posted it,so it is. MOHAMMAD saw ALLAH and it was revealed by him[ALLAH]. This shows how you can twist a simple text.
Its just like a clear childrens' comprehension where everything is literal.It needs not any backing from you or anybody.

And they claim the quran is so easy to understand because of the way it is written. @LagosShia, you even twist your own quran.

I wait for the next trick in your arsenal.

Have you forgotten the first word from the Holy Quran? Eqra

Judek2:

quote author=Judek2

[53:4] It was divine inspiration.
[53:5] Dictated by the Most Powerful.
[53:6] Possessor of all authority.From His highest height.
[53:7] At the highest horizon.
[53:8] He drew nearer by moving down.
[53:9] Until He became as close as possible.
[53:10] He then revealed to His servant what was to be revealed

The same person who is the most powerful,who posses all authority from his own highest height,drew nearer by moving down,until he came close enough,(to the view of Mohammad), so the same person revealed to his own servant what was to be revealed.
Surely Mohammad saw Allah because he came close enough,the other verses states that he saw what he saw,because he saw him the secont time.

Is Gabriel the most powerful? Possesion of all authority from his highest height?
Or is Mohammad Gabriel's servant?

The whole verses is Self explanatery.
___________________________

As I posted it,so it is. MOHAMMAD saw ALLAH and it was revealed by him[ALLAH]. This shows how you can twist a simple text.
Its just like a clear childrens' comprehension where everything is literal.It needs not any backing from you or anybody.

to us the Quran is very easy to read and understand and we thank God.you keep stopping at verse no.10.the sequence of the narration ends at verse no.18.verse number 18 says:"He saw the greatest signs of his Lord".the verse does not say he saw his Lord.

now you have entered into a new game called "exaggeration".you are now using words and using bad translations to distort the meaning of the verse.what do you mean by "possessor of all authority"?is that what appears in the verse? the verse says :"one strong in authority".you can play with words and convince yourself.

the Quran is for muslims and we are happy at the way it is.if you want to interprete it your way even when your eyes have being stretched open to see the light,that is your business.at least i know within my conscience i have done my best to explain it to you and show you explicitly that your interpretation is wrong and it goes against verse no.18 in chapter 53.

Lagosshia after reading this translation from this website and the commentary (http://www.quranenglish.com/tafheem_quran/053.htm) Even the narrators are not sure who the one awesome in power is (Gabriel or Allah). They leaned on gabriel as the one who was all mighty and powerful (another fallacy on their part) but accepted in this regard to be the one who reveals.

I stand to be corrected, Does Mohammed know God face to face, does he interact with God mouth to mouth?

Even you Lagosshia were not happy with him quoting the surah 53 and stopping at verse 10. You said if he read all the way to verse 18 you will get a better picture.

I will also say that using Deut 18, start from verse 15 all the way to the end to get the exact picture of that prophesy. Would you do that for me?

Kind Regards

proo212:

Lagosshia after reading this translation from this website and the commentatry (http://www.quranenglish.com/tafheem_quran/053.htm) Even the narrators are not sure who the one awesome in power is (Gabriel or Allah). They leaned on gabriel as the one who was all mighty and powerful (another fallacy on their part) but accepted in this regard to be the one who reveals.

I stand to be corrected, Does Mohammed know God face to face, does he interact with God mouth to mouth?

Even you Lagosshia were not happy with him quoting the surah 53 and stopping at verse 10. You said if he read all the way to verse 18 you will get a better picture.

I will also say that using Deut 18, start from verse 15 all the way to the end to get the exact picture of that prophesy. Would you do that for me?

Kind Regards

i'm officially done with the subject on chapter 53.you can confuse yourself as you like.but you stand no chance to confuse me or teach me what you dont know.

fools!

chapter 53 of the Quran narrates a story that ends at verse 18.deuteronomy 18:18 whether it starts at verse 0 or ends at verse 100,it is a prophecy.you can interprete as you like and so would i do.the one who sounds reasonable will make sense.

see here for the interpretation:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-819005.32.html#msg9751890

Lagosshia,

Please lets be civil here. I have never insulted you so you shouldn't call me a fool. The passage we are discussing is from your own book in chapter 53. You can try and remove yourself from the discussion which is not an issue for me.

God forbid I teach you the quran because i am not versed in it and i only read it for reference in such a discussion. I don't need to pray before I read it because it is supposed to be easy to understand for the common man.

Please, once again no insults. If the truth is not obvious enough to you, that is also fine, there's no harm done.

proo212:

Lagosshia after reading this translation from this website and the commentatry (http://www.quranenglish.com/tafheem_quran/053.htm) Even the narrators are not sure who the one awesome in power is (Gabriel or Allah). They leaned on gabriel as the one who was all mighty and powerful (another fallacy on their part) but accepted in this regard to be the one who reveals.

I stand to be corrected, Does Mohammed know God face to face, does he interact with God mouth to mouth?

Even you Lagosshia were not happy with him quoting the surah 53 and stopping at verse 10. You said if he read all the way to verse 18 you will get a better picture.

I will also say that using Deut 18, start from verse 15 all the way to the end to get the exact picture of that prophesy. Would you do that for me?

Kind Regards

Well seen, i was about pointing this out

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i'm officially done with the subject on chapter 53.you can confuse yourself as you like.but you stand no chance to confuse me or teach me what you dont know.

fools!

chapter 53 of the Quran narrates a story that ends at verse 18.deuteronomy 18:18 whether it starts at verse 0 or ends at verse 100,it is a prophecy.you can interprete as you like and so would i do.the one who sounds reasonable will make sense.

see here for the interpretation:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-819005.32.html#msg9751890

Heaven awaiting u by all means  , sorry for been confused, pkele!

LagosShia:

keep "exposing" and dream on and i will also do my own exposition.then we shall see where falsehood lies!

provocation will not help your christianity again.not in this forum.i will teach you fools that to discuss religion has nothing to do with provoking and insulting the religions and beliefs of others.you misuse this forum so much and particularly in talking nonsense about Islam.now i have turned the tables on your heads.you will keep crying as my presence will continue to burden you.

Do u read ur posts? U are the provoker,sometimes it seems u write another thing, but do another thing

There is no where i insulted u, i wont do it, even if u ve done that to me several times. I am not against u.
I am jist an anti-false doctrines.

[b]18:15-25:

15The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

16According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

17And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

20But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

21And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

22When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
[/b] here is from 15-22. SO now tell in each Chapter of the Holy Quran none except one start with the name God proof me wrong, but in Bible its not like that.

plappville:

Do u read your posts? U are the provoker,sometimes it seems u write another thing, but do another thing

There is no where i insulted u, i wont do it, even if u ve done that to me several times. I am not against u.
I am jist an anti-false doctrines.

@Blabvile

Bashy-Demy, you've come to this thread to say the same things we've been discussing in the other thread. Nothing changes, you need to give up looking for Mohammed in the bible. You will never find him. I understand your prophet asked you to ask the people of the book what was revealed before but he isn't in the bible.

If so there is no case for your prophet and you need to seek the truth in the word of God, The Bible and get to know the man behind the book. Not as you've always seen him as a.mere prophet but as the begotten Son of God who died for your sins, "That Prophet" you've been searching for in Deutoronomy 18.

Good night and God bless. The choice is entirely yours.