nairamaniac:
Kobe should be flattered for being at number 11. If not for the effect of the greatest coach ever (Phil jackson), he wouldn't have gotten all those rings.
Walai, If lebron had a coaches as good as Phil, or popovich or pat Riley or lenny Wilkins, he surely would have gotten at least 5 rings.
Those are coaches that revolutionised game plays and strategies.
Those coaches were the second most important personalities in their teams, next to the star players.
If u played the game professionally on any level you would understand and interpret easily what these coaches draw on those boards.
Take it or leave it, the coaching crew of the warriors are way above our era of basketball. I'm not a warriors fan. But what we seeing in them today is equivalent to what we saw when Pep Guadiola took over Barcelona in 2008.
Warriors wouldn't have been this good without Steve kerr. He played under 2 of the greatest coached ever.

nairamaniac:


He should also get a pass for 2011finals when they faced mavs. The team had no direction and no clear leader as at then. Both himself and dwane wade were just taking turns offensively. Their style was bullshit. When the team submitted the offence to lebron to run thru him, we saw what they did from their second year together?

A40, I thot lebron also led both teams in points, assist and rebounds in 2015 finals against warriors.

A40:

4 of those Finals were with 2 of the top 5 picks in his draft class in Miami abeg let's not kid ourselves. He gets a pass for 2007 and to a lesser extent when Love went down in 2015.
The leading both teams happened last season and its a remarkable feat tbvh. However we are also talking about someone that could not guard Jason Terry or a Kawhi Leonard in his 3rd year in the league

A30:

How should Kobe be flattered for being at #11? Kobe for me is top 5 to top 8. The Greatest Laker IMO. He was there through the good the bad and the ugly. Also this your Phil Jackson argument na two way street. He also didn't win any rings without Kobe or M.J so their relationship is a largely symbiotic one.
Its unfortunate that a huge chunk of Kobe's prime had Smush Parker, Brian Cook and Kwame Brown in his lineup. We are talking of bums that barely lasted 5 years in the league

A40:

How should Kobe be flattered for being at #11? Kobe for me is top 5 to top 8. The Greatest Laker IMO. He was there through the good the bad and the ugly. Also this your Phil Jackson argument na two way street. He also didn't win any rings without Kobe or M.J so their relationship is a largely symbiotic one.

Its unfortunate that a huge chunk of Kobe's prime had Smush Parker, Brian Cook and Kwame Brown in his lineup. We are talking of bums that barely lasted 5 years in the league

SmooshCHN:
Actually we should also give credits to Mark Jackson and yes to Steve Kerr and Luke Walton for where we are right now
And BTW all those plays coaches draw, are carried out by the players also. Is Tyronn Lue proven to be a better coach than Steve Kerr? What happened to Spurs in last playoffs, I thought they had the best coach. but We can argue that all day. To the ratings if you pins Kobe's greatness on Phil Jackson, what would you be saying about MJ?? Isn't LeBron then the best to ever play the game already? Hope you understand the sarcasm?

Sircumalot, you put LeBron at No.3 and Kobe is lucky to even smell 12th

You guys comparing LeBron and Michael or even so close especially with Lolawilliams always sparking these kinds of conversations just makes it look like a LeBron hate Thread..
I'm done with these kinds of conversations Tbh.. Let's respect these players.. MJ is a god, LeBron is his messenger, Kobe is a retired Messenger and those guys never had the easy road LeBron had (to rings only, don't start with the "he took weak asś Cavs to finals" (I give him props for knowing his way to success and I wish I knew my way to success this easily already ) The same ghosts KD is chasing right now.

A40:

Lmao. He gets a pass for a Finals series where he scored in single digits in a game? No clear direction, no clear leader after beating the #1 seed 4-1 in the ECF

Of course we saw what he did. Beating the Spurs barely only to get handed a gentleman sweep the following year.

He lost to a 33 and 34 year old Dirk and JET, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Ginobili were just as old if not older

nairamaniac:


He should also get a pass for 2011finals when they faced mavs. The team had no direction and no clear leader as at then. Both himself and dwane wade were just taking turns offensively. Their style was bullshit. When the team submitted the offence to lebron to run thru him, we saw what they did from their second year together?

A40, I thot lebron also led both teams in points, assist and rebounds in 2015 finals against warriors. Or did he do it in like 3 major categories, bar-rebounds?

He should also get a pass for 2011finals when they faced mavs. The team had no direction and no clear leader as at then. Both himself and dwane wade were just taking turns offensively. Their style was bullshit. When the team submitted the offence to lebron to run thru him, we saw what they did from their second year together?

nairamaniac:

In lebron's first year in Miami, he was still being respectful to Dwane wade and to Miami. Never wanted to steal the shine from wade. It was obvious in his plays. He was kinda laid back. Leave stats aside, several analyst saw and sed the same. Lebron was being half of his usual self.

Donlittle:
he should get a pass for 2011? You are obviously a LeBron fan boy. Your dude average like 5 points in the fourth quarter during that finals and went cold through out. So the team had no direction that was why he could l not put points up?

nairamaniac:

You would use 1finals out of 4 in one team to judge and assess his legacy he left in that team.
No matter how bad he was that finals, he clearly made up for it in the next 3 finals.
U are an anti-Lebron fan-Boy.

nairamaniac:


He should also get a pass for 2011finals when they faced mavs.

Donlittle:
are you going to give KD a pass if they get to the finals and he gets laid back, whatever the hell that is and they lose?

Freaking hypocritical statements men. Dude lost to 37 or is it 38 year old Timmy, got shutdown by a third or fourth year player in the league, lost to the dallas mavs with a 34 year old leading that team, but we should keep giving him a pass?

Why don't you just delete all his losses from NBA records and Google so we can say LeBron is 3-0.


Do you give golden state a pass since bogut went down, iguodala was barely himself, and draymond gets suspended?

You know what, let's give love a pass too for his two NBA losses.

While we are also at it, KD should get a pass since he lost in the finals when he was very young.

We should also give Charles Barkley and Stockton and everybody a pass since they all faced a GOD in Jordan.

Mr Pass.

Roland17:


Bro...You just lost me with the highlighted statement.

Why should Bron be given a pass!!!! The fact anyone considers making excuses for the self acclaimed greatest is a weakness that can not be found around MJ's dictionary.

If you have forgotten, let me remind you the Heats, led by Lebron ridiculed Dirk when he fell sick during the series, and of course the German demi-god blazed them single-handedly...They trolled him of his dressing and his style of play, so no..

While the argument about Jordan v Lebron may be justified, it does not mean he is even close to catching the ghost.

“My motivation,” James says, “is this ghost I’m chasing. The ghost played in Chicago.”

Donlittle:

Is NBA league pass free too?

Donlittle:
So I wonder who we are giving league pass again this year.
Since we gotta dash niggaz passes after they lose.
Is NBA league pass free too?

Donlittle:
he lost to the spurs though, don't understand how he made it up in the next 3 finals.

Lost to Timmy, Parker, and ginobili, after their how many year in the league, then he lost to the golden state again. So no bro, I am not judging him from one finals. Judging him from all four.

SmooshCHN:
Now we're all on the same page or almost

SIRcumalot:

what page is that?

nairamaniac:
Page 381

nairamaniac:

In lebron's first year in Miami, he was still being respectful to Dwane wade and to Miami. Never wanted to steal the shine from wade. It was obvious in his plays. He was kinda laid back. Leave stats aside, several analyst saw and sed the same. Lebron was being half of his usual self.

lolawilliams:
I can't believe this league pass of a thing is being taken so serious with some comments, am even seeing memes. Cmon guys.