there is a issue, well maybe not god but satan made a man gay

Okay, your view is respected.

allonym:

Ok,

So, you are saying that SOME things that happen are NOT the will of God? In fact, even if you are saying that, that still does not rule out some BAD things being the will of God does it?

So, since God and Satan can be authors of good and evil things, to us humans, there ultimately is no difference between the two.

Where is the "bad" logic in what I said. You posted that some things are not the will of God. You have not answered whether this includes some good things, or only all bad things.

So, let me start afresh, there is good, and there is evil. Their is some, all, and none.

Which one or ones of these are the will of God?

a) All good things and All evil things

b) All good things and SOME evil things

c) All good things and NONE of the evil things

d) SOME good things and ALL evil things

e) SOME good things and SOME evil things

f) SOME good things and NONE of the evil things

g) NONE of the good things and ALL evil things

h) NONE of the good things and SOME evil things

i) NONE of the good things and NONE of the evil things


Answer this question if you can, or tell me if there is some "bad" logic which renders this question invalid. If there is "bad" logic, be kind enough to point it out, instead of just tossing statements into the air.

why would God wish for us to be gay? it is not God's plan for us to be gay it is not even his plan for us to perish cos being gay is violating the rules and the ten commandments of God
in the times/days of sodom God him self was displease by the indecent act so l think sodomy among us is not the will of God for us if he so displeases it.
besides God making him gay is not just a wrong satement it is the worst to say his being gay has to do with his imaginaiton,his thinking and his fantersis while he was still a kid and probably with the people around him so please, stop saying God mad u gay only l wish God him self would send a reply to this thread and speak for himself.

pearldrops:

why would God wish for us to be gay? it is not God's plan for us to be gay it is not even his plan for us to perish because being gay is violating the rules and the ten commandments of God
in the times/days of sodom God him self was displease by the indecent act so l think sodomy among us is not the will of God for us if he so displeases it.
besides God making him gay is not just a wrong satement it is the worst to say his being gay has to do with his imaginaiton,his thinking and his fantersis while he was still a kid and probably with the people around him so please, stop saying God mad u gay only l wish God him self would send a reply to this thread and speak for himself.

You really believe that?

Tell me, how many people did God instruct the Israelites to kill in the bible, AFTER giving the ten commandments? Tell me, how is being gay violating the ten commandments anyway? I never remember learning a Thou Shall Not Be Gay rule? Is this some "missing" commandment that has been hidden from the mainstream christian bible? If God created all people in his image, then wouldn't a gay person be an image of God?

ALLONYM,

To participate in this thread , you must first believe that there is God. From your posts here and elsewhere, I doubt this.

Even when you do believe that there is God, your concept of God must rhyme with that of most Christians (most posters in this forum appear to be Christian, and the original poster/ gay boy of the Question for this thread are apparently Christians).

Otherwise, you are just looking for an argument. And why would you join threads to look for arguments with people?

Assuming that you do believe in God, and that your belief is in line with the Christian belief, let me try to answer to your argument.

Our (Christian) God is a God of choices. God does not create evil but he did create evil choices. This is the essence of the story of Adam being placed in the garden of Eden with the Tree of Good and Evil. In creation, we could have enjoyed bliss (like other animals) if we had not known the difference between Good and Bad.  The tree of Good and Evil symbolizes Choice and conciousness. When man ate it, (in other words when man chose to be a conscious animal) evil entered the world. Man is the only living thin that is conscious and thus the only one that can sin. A lion that kills another animal is not sinning because it does so without consciousness and therefore choice. Only the conscious can sin. Scientists do not really understand why humans are the only conscious living beings. And it is not the size of our brain that it derives from. Its source is still a mystery. Our consciousness has profited us (as we dominate the earth and create skyscapers) but has also les some of us to choose evil.

Did God cause Adam to eat the apple? After all if He had not put the tree there he would not have eaten it. Similarly you may wonder if God did not place a man's prostate in his anus, would male homosexuality exist?

Its all about choices. Good or Evil?

Christians believe that in this situation, God ultimmately sent Jesus as the model of what God wants man to be. True Christianity is to follow Jesus and example and life-views especially comprehending his choice to die for others, if you do so you really do not need any new commandments to find answers to life's choices. The holy Spirit guides you.

If you want you can choose to keep arguing.

t4cash:

ALLONYM,

To participate in this thread , you must first believe that there is God. From your posts here and elsewhere, I doubt this.

Even when you do believe that there is God, your concept of God must rhyme with that of most Christians (most posters in this forum appear to be Christian).

Otherwise, you are just looking for an argument. And why would you join threads to look for arguments with people?

Assuming that you do believe in God, and that your belief is in line with the Christian belief, let me try to answer to your argument.

Our (Christian) God is a God of choices. God does not create evil but he did create evil choices. This is the essence of the story of Adam being placed in the garden of Eden with the Tree of Good and Evil. In creation, we could have enjoyed bliss (like other animals) if we had not known the difference between Good and Bad. The tree of Good and Evil symbolizes Choice and conciousness. When man ate it, (in other words when man chose to be a conscious animal) evil entered the world. Man is the only living thin that is conscious and thus the only one that can sin. A lion that kills another animal is not sinning because it does so without choice. Only the conscious can sin. Scientists do not really understand why humans are the only conscious living beings. And it is not the size of our brain that it derives from. Its source is still a mystery.

Did God cause Adam to eat the apple? After all if He had not put the tree there he would not have eaten it. Similarly you may wonder if God did not place a man's prostate in his anus, would male homosexuality exist.

Its all about choices.

To rectify this situation, God sent Jesus as the model of what God wants man to be. True Christianity is to follow Jesus and example and life-views especially comprehending his choice to die for others, if you do so you really do not need any new commandments to find answers to life's choices. The holy Spirit guides you.

If you want you can choose to keep arguing.

I'm not going to respond to this. Clearly, you are confused about many things.

- You are saying that in order to post in this thread, I must
1) Believe in God
2) Agree with a Christian viewpoint of God

- this is utter bullcrap. Seriously, you are going extremely far on this. These are not requirements to post in this part of the forum. This is not present in the forum rules.

Besides, even if I met your "criteria", that still does not stop me from being able to express the views I'd done. . . so what would be the point? Unless there is an explicit rule that people who have remotely contradictory ideas are not allowed to post the the specific religion sections, then I will continue to express whatever views i feel like.

Unless I advocate something which will lead to bodily harm to someone else, or participation in an illegal activity, there is nothing wrong with bringing up issues people are otherwise uncomfortable or afraid to talk about.

There is another reason why your post is crap, this is NOT even a "Christian" section of the forum. It is religion, and to my knowledge, that includes all forms of belief. . . including nonbelief.

My people say that you use your eyes to share the meat in the soup when eating communually.

It must not be written explicitly for you to realise that your views ought to rhyme with Christianity to participate usefully on this thread (not simply arguing). The majority of people in this forum, and especially this section are staunch Christians. I do not know why. I initially did not realise it but in time, I did and I post with this in mind.

You have confirmed that you are looking for arguments not discussions. Argue on. May I recommend you also find on google more fanitical forums in the web for more delicious arguments.

There is a section called Christianity for Christians in the religion section of this forum.

That means there is EXPLICITLY a section where so called christians can go and attempt to hide.

So, there is NO IMPLICIT understanding that you need to be christian to post in this section. That is total crap. This is the religion section, and that means ANY and EVERY form of belief, including unbelief.

If I was saying these things in the Christianity for Christians threads, then you would have a valid point.

I'm going to quote your post just so you cannot claim not to have made such a non thought out statement:

t4cash:

My people say that you use your eyes to share the meat in the soup when eating communually.

It must not be written explicitly for you to realise that your views ought to rhyme with Christianity to participate usefully on this thread (not simply arguing). The majority of people in this forum, and especially this section are staunch Christians. I do not know why. I initially did not realise it but in time, I did and I post with this in mind.

You have confirmed that you are looking for arguments not discussions. Argue on. May I recommend you also find on google more fanitical forums in the web for more delicious arguments.

It's either gene or environment, no one quite knows if it's ever a gene but it is obviously sometimes environment- either case they should be supported instead of discouraged. Those who are gay are, I believe, called to a life of abstinance and prayer, it's a hard task and my prayers go to those who follow such a path.

alonym are u gay or related to it?
l apprecaite ur views but lets call a spade a spade

Jackie24:

Those who are gay are, I believe, called to a life of abstinance and prayer, it's a hard task and my prayers go to those who follow such a path.

Could you please clarify that notion. How do you reconcile the fact that gays are sexually active to this idea that they are called to a life of abstinence and prayer?

Obviously it's incorrect to say Gays are abstinant, many aren't. Do you know what a calling is? A calling can be ignored. Those who are gay are chosen to follow a harder path whether they follow it or not is their free will.

Whether or not a calling can be ignored is not the issue. Where did you get your information from that gays are 'called' in the first place? Who gave them the "harder path" to follow?

who is calling who huh (lol pardon me)

pearldrops:

alonym are u gay or related to it?
l apprecaite your views but lets call a spade a spade

Not sure what exactly you are hinting at. , unless you are trying to imply that if a gay person is making an argument, you would have license to ignore them.

can GOD ever call some one to be GAY?

Do you know that is one of the major reasons GOD destroyed Sadom and Gomograh?, then why practice it since is a fact that GOD detsest it himsef. Besides he created women.

eh eh
God don't mk no one gay
he's against homosexuality
it's even in d bible

am really torn when it comes to god making someone gay
there are some guys especially their actions and everything
is not possible for them to be straight, sometimes i beleive that god made them like that
and sometimes i blame it on genetics,
i think it might be base on genetics
something went wrong somewhere, their hormones are all messed
up, orrrr, _{something went wrong somewhere i cant quite say what,}

Yall are sick and headed to hell!!!


God the almighty didnt make any one gay!!!!!!

Well, most people have the same view as yours. . . but differences of opinions or views shouldn't draw your daggers at 'em all as to sentence 'em all to hell. Take it e-z dearie

The God that i know created every one perfect. God did not make anyone gay. he made himself gay. i was reading an atricle on the beastility and these twisted person said he has always liked animals since he was a kid as far as i am concerned it is more like he has always had demons in him since he was a kid. That means prostitutes will say God made them like that and for everthing that is morally wrong, it was created by God like that.
OH PLEEEEEEASE!!!!!

God made every thing perfect

This thread is still going on?

if God makes everything perfect, not everything is made by God, right?

by the time we start defending those who say God made a mistake and they came out gay, then we begin to defend those that say they were supposed to be male but are females.

Did these kind of sick and sadistic I-think-I-am-gay thoughts cross the mind of our grandparents (mothers and fathers)?
When they were farming all day,
tilling the ground, hunting and getting themselves busy?
How could they be gay, when the only Bible they read was in Church,
when they believed in God and he possessed their beings?
when the level of their faiths rose to the point God had to reveal himself personally,
How could they be gay with no TV, no porn, no time to think of the excesses of life,
where was gayhood with no MTV? no parties, no proms,
How could they be gay when getting an education was the height of their life?
How could they be gay with no peer pressure and the frivolities of life,
How could they be gay, when my-mother-means-more-to-me-than-my-friend
How could the thought even cross their mind
How could they be gay when the woman knew how to be a woman,
when from head to toe, you cant but respect her?
How could she give birth to a man and he'll call himself a woman.
How could he be gay when daddy was daddy 24/7,
when daddy saw himself as the head and not the ass,
he couldnt but re-produce a male or female child.

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But now, when daddy and mommy are always in the office,
when breakfast to dinner is always fastfood, chicken and fries,
if he makes too much noise, ill find my way out.
shut up mom, what do you care anyway,
too much of TV, too much porn, too many movies,
our heros are half-naked pop artists,
when the woman has resorted to exposing herself,
our heroes are foul-talking rappers and metallic-head-bangers
even those who grew up in a descent home wish they grew up in the hood,
those born on the bed have resolved to sleep on the floor,
dignity has been thrown to the wind,
the common sense in the days of our fathers is no more common,
too much of education, too much learning, we are at the verge of madness,
we even grew up not knowing the realities of life,
daddy and mommy made all the money, my duty is to spend it,
when the computer and the internet are what we see everyday,
when mommy became "yo mom" and daddy became "ssup dre",
when we are so much relaxed and all the necessities of life are laid out before us,
when we were born with a golden spoon choking our throat and for which we are vomitting,
Truly, our brains cannot exercise itself meaniningfully anymore.
the brain cells became limp when we started eating spaghetti
what is there to think about, than thinking of becoming gay?
its sickening, isnt it?

Did these kind of sick and sadistic I-think-I-am-gay thoughts cross the mind of our grandparents (mothers and fathers)? When they were farming all day, tilling the ground, hunting and getting themselves busy? How could they be gay, when the only Bible they read was in Church, when they believed in Him and he possessed their beings? How could they be gay with no TV, no porn, no time to think of the excesses of life

the world has developed a lot since then. look on the window man

Wow

kimba:

by the time we start defending those who say God made a mistake and they came out gay, then we begin to defend those that say they were supposed to be male but are females.

Maybe God didn't make a mistake, maybe she has a divine plan you don't understand *shrugs*

Did these kind of sick and sadistic I-think-I-am-gay thoughts cross the mind of our grandparents (mothers and fathers)?

Sick and sadistic? Pray tell, who is getting hurt/ maimed in a (loving) relationship between two consenting adults?

When they were farming all day,
tilling the ground, hunting and getting themselves busy?
How could they be gay, when the only Bible they read was in Church,
when they believed in God and he possessed their beings?
when the level of their faiths rose to the point God had to reveal himself personally,

Yes, we all know there were no gay people during the agricultural era, of course *rolls eyes*. this just in, farming prevents homosexuality.

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Don't you get tired of polemic? By the way, porn, tv, and all the other things you mentioned do not cause homosexuality, this is even more clear when homosexuality in other animals is taken into consideration.
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@dracosh

the world has developed a lot since then. look on the window man

Which window? the window of insanity. Dont you think its insane that a man thinks he's a woman?, cmon, the world is educated. These kind of things should have happened during the stone ages, not now?
Its like you're looking at the same window gays are looking at, O Boy, look on, 

@KAG

Maybe God didn't make a mistake, maybe she has a divine plan you don't understand *shrugs*

I can see you are very much disillusioned, Your own god is a She? man pickin get plenty problem o, its not easy, 

Sick and sadistic? Pray tell, who is getting hurt/ maimed in a (loving) relationship between two consenting adults?

Lemme ask you some ?s
1) In all truthfulness, are you gay. Just be very honest. If you are not a gay, ill have a problem with you, because, you're promoting something you aint practicing.
2) If you're gay, then just go on, get a life.

Yes, we all know there were no gay people during the agricultural era, of course *rolls eyes*. this just in, farming prevents homosexuality.

You didnt get the picture I was trying to draw, its like this: In our present day, we are too comfortable, thats why we get to think and become crazy things, like becoming gay, and trying to defend such insanity with the Bible.

Don't you get tired of polemic? By the way, porn, tv, and all the other things you mentioned do not cause homosexuality

like i said above: In our present day, we are too comfortable, thats why we get to think and become crazy things, like becoming gay, and trying to defend such insanity with the Bible.

this is even more clear when homosexuality in other animals is taken into consideration.

Yes, i can see the exact picture you are looking at,,,,,,,,,,,,,remember the you evolved from an Ape thing

so now, humans are looking at animals and becoming like them?, O Damn, thats Evolution right there, going back to the beginning!!! , is this Forward or backward evolution? please expantiate

and who should be taking what into consideration? Humans should be taking the Animalistic way of life into consideration, and bring on the ""values learnt from animals" into the human way of life?

O Boy, you have gone really ffffffffffffffffaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kimba:

@KAGI can see you are very much disillusioned, Your own god is a She? man pickin get plenty problem o, its not easy,

I'm disillusioned because I use She as a descriptor for God? Okay, non-sequitor duly noted.

Lemme ask you some ?s
1) In all truthfulness, are you gay. Just be very honest. If you are not a gay, ill have a problem with you, because, you're promoting something you aint practicing.

In all honesty, I fail to see what my sexual orientation has to do with anything. I may or may not do athletics, but I can still defend athletics; I am not a christian, but I have and can defend christianity, even though I don't practise it. I hope you get the point, my sexual orientation has no bearing on the discussion in this forum

2) If you're gay, then just go on, get a life.

Wouldn't I already have a life if I was gay? A gay life at that . by the way, you didn't answer my question, "Sick and sadistic? Pray tell, who is getting hurt/ maimed in a (loving) relationship between two consenting adults?"

You didnt get the picture I was trying to draw, its like this: In our present day, we are too comfortable, thats why we get to think and become crazy things, like becoming gay, and trying to defend such insanity with the Bible.
like i said above: In our present day, we are too comfortable, thats why we get to think and become crazy things, like becoming gay, and trying to defend such insanity with the Bible.

And you didn't get the point, homosexuality is not a recent thing, infact it has existed probably long before the dawn of man, and if you look through history, you would realise that there have been homosexuals in all cultures.

Yes, i can see the exact picture you are looking at,,,,,,,,,,,,,remember the you evolved from an Ape thing

so now, humans are looking at animals and becoming like them?, O Damn, thats Evolution right there, going back to the beginning!!! , is this Forward or backward evolution? please expantiate

and who should be taking what into consideration? Humans should be taking the Animalistic way of life into consideration, and bring on the ""values learnt from animals" into the human way of life?

O Boy, you have gone really ffffffffffffffffaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Sigh*, Not only are you ignorant whne it comes to science, it seems you are also ignorant about logic. The point was, if things like porn and tv are to blame for homosexuality, then how do you account for homosexuality in animals, and how do you explain homosexuality long befre porn, tv, etc? Not, "humans are copying animals (which they aren't), that's evolution, blah, blah, blah"

Like I said in a previous thread, if you are an example of a God given brain, then it seems I had a lucky escape.