O BOy KAG, uve gone ffffaaarrrr o.

I was asking if you were gay or not, coz it will definitely influence your defense of the lifestyle. And i think it has. I really dont care if you were gay/not, i just meant to get you thinking of the reality of how you were born, a man.

See, you have no basis to, neither are you in a position to rightfully defend the Christian faith if you are not a Christian, coz your defense of the Christian Faith would entail that you rightfully divide the word of truth with the aid of the Holy Spirit, and since you are not ready to accept the truth, you cannot rightfully divide it neither do you have regard for God or His Spirit.

And you didn't get the point, homosexuality is not a recent thing, infact it has existed probably long before the dawn of man, and if you look through history, you would realise that there have been homosexuals in all cultures.

The talk is not whether it has been around for ages., or whether its in every culture, the talk is whether it is right or wrong. Poison has been around since food was available, but its not good for eating, neither are you blameless if you give it to an unsuspecting person as edible food. get it

*Sigh*, Not only are you ignorant whne it comes to science, it seems you are also ignorant about logic. The point was, if things like porn and tv are to blame for homosexuality, then how do you account for homosexuality in animals, and how do you explain homosexuality long befre porn, tv, etc? Not, "humans are copying animals (which they aren't), that's evolution, blah, blah, blah"

Like I said in a previous thread, if you are an example of a God given brain, then it seems I had a lucky escape.

How can I be ignorant about science and logic? Tell me the science and logic behind homosexuality. Explain the details from biology 101 - how it came about, and then tell me whether that science is really science or insanity. I mentioned porn, TV etc, and even many more, becoz these are the source of negative influence in our society today. And i made reference to human copying animals since you were taking a supposed fact that homosexuality among animals was a license for human homosexuality.

Trying to make you see the light on this issue that "God makes no man gay", that its a moral decadence in the society, and that homosexuality is an evil we have to purge, has nothing to do with God giving anyone a brain. Yes, God has given all of us brains, to think, help ourselves, make sane-decisions(with emphasis on SANE), and unfortunately many dont use it appropriately, thats why some can wake up and say they have become homosexuals, and yes, there'll be people to defend them. get it

kimba:

O BOy KAG, uve gone ffffaaarrrr o.

Thursday child maybe?

I was asking if you were gay or not, because it will definitely influence your defense of the lifestyle.

No it wouldn't.

And i think it has. I really don't care if you were gay/not, i just meant to get you thinking of the reality of how you were born, a man.

Good to know.

See, you have no basis to, neither are you in a position to rightfully defend the Christian faith if you are not a Christian, because your defense of the Christian Faith would entail that you rightfully divide the word of truth with the aid of the Holy Spirit, and since you are not ready to accept the truth, you cannot rightfully divide it neither do you have regard for God or His Spirit.

Pish posh. I can partake in christian apologetics, because I happen to know enough about christianity, and happen to hold some of the christian ideals in high regard.

The talk is not whether it has been around for ages., or whether its in every culture, the talk is whether it is right or wrong. Poison has been around since food was available, but its not good for eating, neither are you blameless if you give it to an unsuspecting person as edible food. get it

No, the talk is that it has been around for ages, because it was a response to your ridiculous suggestion that homosexuality was a recent phenomena caused by things like TV, porn, parents working late etc.

How can I be ignorant about science and logic? Tell me the science and logic behind homosexuality. Explain the details from biology 101 - how it came about, and then tell me whether that science is really science or insanity. I mentioned porn, TV etc, and even many more, becoz these are the source of negative influence in our society today. And i made reference to human copying animals since you were taking a supposed fact that homosexuality among animals was a license for human homosexuality.

This, "so now, humans are looking at animals and becoming like them?, O Damn, thats Evolution right there, going back to the beginning!!! Grin Grin Grin, is this Forward or backward evolution? please expantiate Grin Grin", suggests that you are both ignorant about science and logic, especially as you failed to get the point, and I see you missed the point again.

The point I was trying to convey (once again) was, if homosexuality results from porn, TV, parents working late, then how do you explain homosexuality in other animals?

I haven't made any refernce to humans copying animals, nor have I said homosexuality amongst anaimals is licence for homosexuality in humans.

Trying to make you see the light on this issue that "God makes no man gay", that its a moral decadence in the society, and that homosexuality is an evil we have to purge, has nothing to do with God giving anyone a brain. Yes, God has given all of us brains, to think, help ourselves, make sane-decisions(with emphasis on SANE), and unfortunately many don't use it appropriately, thats why some can wake up and say they have become homosexuals, and yes, there'll be people to defend them. get it

I guess I'll ask again, "Sick and sadistic? Pray tell, who is getting hurt/ maimed in a (loving) relationship between two consenting adults?"

I guess I'll ask again, "Sick and sadistic? Pray tell, who is getting hurt/ maimed in a (loving) relationship between two consenting adults?"

who is getting hurt, those homosexuals are getting hurt,
the younger generation who hardly know their left from right are getting hurt!!!

kimba:

who is getting hurt, those homosexuals are getting hurt,
the younger generation who hardly know their left from right are getting hurt!!!

How? In what way?

i'm gay by choice and i'm proud of it baby.

@cammy
May I ask: Why by choice?

too much abussive words from a preety queen lik u.
wel, a email address is ziggigm4@yahoo.com. wanna know u the more and not on this site.

ziggi when did you come back from the dead

lol

nah afeni made him gay

@ topic

Not through. God did not make him gay, that is if the same God we are talking about.

The God christians worship would not create people and make some gay because its clearly mentioned in the bible what he thinks of people that engage in that act.

Being gay is all in the mind.

end the topic.it's boring

Yes madam but this gay guys should stop adopting our babies if they can`t impregnate themselves .since they say god created them that way then that same god should ve provided them with uterus.

You guys do you know that some children are not born clearly male or clearly female. Sometimes the doctors and parents have to choose which the child should become, choosing the wrong gender to bring the child up by sometimes leads to homosexuality. i took this psych of gender class and you will be amazed at what is out there that we have no idea about.

Note i am not saying that this is the case for all gays out there i am just saying that sometimes things don't always appear as they seem.

@ yemstar,
i get your point on the people that aren't born clearly as male or female. their situation is different and unique so i would not want to judge them.

@ topic
but i dont think God still made gay people.

right,point cleared
end the topic

Homosexuality is a mental conditioning process for black people but the true origins of homosexuality comes from Europe.

I know some of you are going to be mad at me for saying this but it is true. Gays in Africa or homosexuality amongst black people period is caused by the white influence.

But, white people are naturally homosexuals. Not all white people are practicing homosexuality as a way of life but for them that is a choice. The whites who do practice homosexuality for them it is also a choice but again, Homosexuality is a white mans disease that he can turn on or of at will.

Has anyone read the book "Plato's Symposium?" This books talks about how Plato was a man who had sex with his students, in other words he was a pedophile. Those young boys he had sex with Turned out to be just like him. This was accepted amongst the Greeks as a rights of passage from boyhood into manhood. Women at that time were only looked upon for child baring purposes only. The woman who would bare children for the homosexual white man had to be at the age of 13 to 16 after those ages she was considered as not fit to be looked upon and therefore no longer fit to bare children. All over Europe, statues with little boys standing still as their penis dangle is something common to Europe. Men having orgy's is common as well. Europe is the only place on this planet earth that has a history of pedostry and Homosexuality. White people are the only people on this planet earth who have a warped psychology.

If the gay boy is white he is telling you the truth he was born that way, it is a tradition of his people. But, God had nothing to do with him being that way. If the gay boy is black, he has suffered some type of mental conditioning. Did he ever attend a monastery? Has he ever been molested? Does he have a large white influence? These are some questions that may help to understand, if the gay boy is black.

Ps, Someone said you had to be a Christian in order to participate in this Thread. I am not a Christian but I do believe in what our Ancestors believed, the laws of the Opposites. When The almighty made man the almighty also made woman. Our Ancestors believed in the God and the Goddess. Man can not be fruitful with another man and vice versa for the woman with another woman. Homosexual sex is also unhealthy, it is not good for the male body nor is it good for the female body. Some where down the line homosexual sex will cause physical problems.

In the case of a child born with both male and female Instruments, that is a birth defect in my opinion that is caused by some of the medicines these doctors prescribe. You know that some doctors play God trying to see what they can manipulate and bring about. Any way, those people born that way are not any gender until they reach the age of wanting to have sex, that is when they become to realize what they are. It is the doctor and the parents who decide right away to make a choice on what that childs gender ought to be and that is where the mistake is made. The child should not be treated determind by what people feel that childs gender ought to be. That child should be left alone until that child comes asking questions about his sexuality. People make the mistake of choosing a gender for those particular children born with both male and female Instruments. That child should have the oppurtunity to chose for his self.

omg u sound like u really know what u saying.

Sista:

Homosexuality is a mental conditioning process for black people but the true origins of homosexuality comes from Europe.

I know some of you are going to be mad at me for saying this but it is true. Gays in Africa or homosexuality amongst black people period is caused by the white influence.

, Homosexuality is a white mans disease that he can turn on or of at will.


If the gay boy is white he is telling you the truth he was born that way, it is a tradition of his people.

If the gay boy is black, he has suffered some type of mental conditioning. Did he ever attend a monastery? Has he ever been molested? Does he have a large white influence? These are some questions that may help to understand, if the gay boy is black.

What an infuriating nonsensical statement , sincerely, i hope you are jus a kid, cause this infuriates me, and is very racist and I am not even white. what studies led you to this conclusion. you need to be hung and tied with ur tongue for making a statement like this?

and ur lil theory about hermaphroditic kids is garbage!!~!


Actually homosexuality existed before the white man came, the romans practiced homosexuality, even our forefathers_{yes i said it}. but the way it was practiced, was different. It had to do with spirits and reincarnation_{long story}. Anyways its the white man the brought anti gay-ism with its missionary work to Africa. Where else do we get the notion that homosexuality is "bad", other than the "bible". realize that i put the bible in quotation marks. so please don't say the white people this white people that. your statements about "plato" are somewhat true. but u have taking the whole situatution and twisted it to explain your phobia and appease your anxiety about homosexuality.

To all those that think homosexuality is a disease - "your problem!!! get a life, leave them alone."

Homosexuality is here to stay, so u better get used to it

if u think i am now a lesbian(homosexual) or always been a lesbian - sorry, but u don't know jack about me. i jus believe in human right. "live and let live"

bluenubian:

omg u sound like u really know what u saying.

What an infuriating nonsensical statement , sincerely, i hope you are jus a kid, cause this infuriates me, and is very racist and I am not even white. what studies led you to this conclusion. you need to be hung and tied with your tongue for making a statement like this?

and your lil theory about hermaphroditic kids is garbage!!~!


Actually homosexuality existed before the white man came, the romans practiced homosexuality, even our forefathers_{yes i said it}. but the way it was practiced, was different. It had to do with spirits and reincarnation_{long story}. Anyways its the white man the brought anti gay-ism with its missionary work to Africa. Where else do we get the notion that homosexuality is "bad", other than the "bible". realize that i put the bible in quotation marks. so please don't say the white people this white people that. your statements about "plato" are somewhat true. but u have taking the whole situatution and twisted it to explain your phobia and appease your anxiety about homosexuality.

To all those that think homosexuality is a disease - "your problem!!! get a life, leave them alone."

Homosexuality is here to stay, so u better get used to it

if u think i am now a lesbian(homosexual) or always been a lesbian - sorry, but u don't know jack about me. i jus believe in human right. "live and let live"

@ Bluenubian


I know you don't think the Romans were black! It infuriates me that you want to defend the white man so bad that you are infuriated.

You don't know what you are talking about. Romans and Greeks are the same people, they are from Europe, look on the map. The Romans and the Greeks are white people, they are not your forefathers, they are the forefathers of white people. African people are not naturally or innately homosexuals. If you don't believe me do the research of Europe and homosexuality. Then do the research of homosexuality in Africa. Pay close attention to the time periods because you will be in for a big surprise.

This topic is getting interesting,

but still God did not make him gay. Whether he is white, black or even blue , God did not make him gay. It is all in the mind.

@ Cammy

At least you are being honest.

This is my opinion. When a woman chooses to be gay it is because she does not want to partake in being subjected the the male ego.

She does not want to put up with his arrogance.

If a woman has a free mind, and she is raised in a house hold where she is taught that she is lower than the man, if she gets a chance to be free of that situation, she may choose to not become romantically involved with men.

There are other reason why she may choose to become gay as well. I have a cousin who chose to become gay and I have a close friend who chose to become gay. They both had different reasons for their choice.

To me when a woman is gay, it is totally innocent. It is just two women playing house. Women have the ability to make each other feel loved and nurtured. When a man is gay, that is a whole different thing because they actually penetrate each other. Once that has been done

@ Blunubian

You have been thourughly brainwashed  if you think Africans needed whites to teach us about anti gayism.

Where do you get your knowledge from? A fairy tale book of the evil black magic? I bet you believe that all is bad comes from black and all is good comes from white.

The white man did a pretty good job on programming you. 

It was the white priest and white nones who was molesting little black boys and little black boys that started homosexuality in Africa, that was the white influence I was talking about. The missionary's were used to lewer black people in pretending to be kind, they were wolfs in sheeps clothing. They gave you their religion and told you Jesus was white. Africans began to put behind the old traditions to accept the white mans religion which was a trick. That is why you believe black is bad. That is why you believe the Romans was your forefather. You must be a Catholic christian beliving that one. That is why you really believe that it was the whites that came to purify blacks of homsexuality in the name of God When infact, the whites were already homsexuals when they came to Africa

Little black boys were molested by white men during slavery In America as well as little black girls. that is also another white influence I am talking about.

You need to go and fumigate your mind. Maybe you will return deprogrammed and then you might be open to hearing the truth.

@ sista
People like u make me sick. Am glad we have a choice who we chose to hang around. Don't try to cover up your stupid racist remarks by telling me an brainwashed. That was racist of u and u should be persecuted for that, left to me.
Blaming everything on the white man. I ve said my piece and have nothing else to say to u. If u think am brainwashed that's your problem. At least I don't go around quoting the bible and misinterpreting its contents.

Yes am catholic. What has that got to do with being born gay!!!. Shows how naive u are and quick to pick out, what u call imperfections in others.

So miss perfect. Get off your high horse. cause we all know u aint perfect either. Heck u cud be a child molester. We d nevr know.

Live and let live

Homosexuality is here to stay. Deal with it. And stop blaming all your problems on the whiteman

And look at ur signature. Love ur brothers and sisters, yet u talk all this crap about white people. I guess whites are not considered brethrens. Damn hippocrite!!

bluenubian:

@ sista
People like u make me sick. Am glad we have a choice who we chose to hang around. Don't try to cover up your stupid racist remarks by telling me an brainwashed. That was racist of u and u should be persecuted for that, left to me.
Blaming eeverythingrything on the white man. I ve said my piece and have nothing else to say to u. If u think am brainwashed that's your problem. At least I don't go around quoting the bible and misinterpreting its contents.

Yes am catholic. What has that got to do with being born gay!!!. Shows how naive u are and quick to pick out, what u call imperfections in others.

So miss perfect. Get off your high horse. cause we all know u aint perfect either. Heck u cud be a child molester. We d nevr know.

Live and let live

Homosexuality is here to stay. Deal with it. And stop blaming all your problems on the whiteman

@ Blunubian

I said you must be a Catholic Christan for even thinking that the Romans was your forefather when you are black and they are white. You must be a catholic for believing that and for even thinking that the missionary's came to cleanse blacks of Homosexuality. Did you know those missionary's were of Roman decent?

First of all I was not blaming white people for everything but I did blame them for homosexuality.

Second of all, I didn't quote anything from the Bible as a matter a fact I said nothing about the bible.

You are no different from the rest of the religious fanatics, saying things like I should be persecuted. I bet you would love to have me stoned.

Honestly, I could careless about who is gay and why they are gay. If a person is gay I don't judge them by that, I judge according to character. As I said, I have a cousin who is gay and a close friend who is gay, they are both that way by choice and I love them the same.

This is a open forum to the public and I was joining in on the conversation stating some facts about the origin of homosexuality. Everything has an origin you do know this don't you?

All I did was state historical fact, something that can be proved. You stated no fact, all you did was ambush, using the bible. You boasted some religious make believe world stuff that in my opinion, you have been programmed to state.

You say you have nothing else to say to me?

It was you who spoke to me first, I was just responding. I f you don't speak to me again that would be to soon.

PS, you don't know what a racist is, if you did you would be pointing the finger at your self. Only a racist would try to persecute someone for speaking freely, and for not being in agreeance with them. 
I will have nothing to say to you as long as you don't say anything else to me

bluenubian:

And look at your signature. Love your brothers and sisters, yet u talk all this crap about white people. I guess whites are not considered brethrens. Damn hippocrite!!

@Blunubian


I am not a Christian, the Christian religion is hypercritical that is why most Christians are hypocrites. look at you saying I should be persecuted. How can you be a Christian and advocate all the violent things you said to me? That is what most Christians do. On one hand love god and advocate peace on the other hand if we don't get our way because our way is best and Godly advocate war , Hypocrites.

As I was saying, I am not a Christian so I don't share your belief that all people are my bretherens. If you are trying to kill me and my people, you are not my brethren. I don't believe in turning the left cheek and from the looks of it neither do you.

Save urself some time, call me blue.

I never said the romans were our forefather. I said the ancient romans practiced homosexuality. U twist everything I say to ur advantage. I guess that's ur own defense mechanism.

Usaid I must be catholic and I confirmed that I was. I didn't come here to preach christianity to no one. I was simply answering ur questions. u call me racist is cause I called u racist. Do I sense some guilt?

No where did I call u a christian. Cause I call u a hypocrite does not mean am calling u a christian.

I asked u about ur signature. U change topic and start preaching hypocrtical christians to me. Focus girl!! Focus

Read b4 replying pls. As a matter of fact read this 3 times. Cause u are totally taking my words out of context.

Again.
Live and let live. Homosexuality is neither a disease nor a mental disorder.

I don't judge people. Not even u my sister. Believe what u wanna believe. Shows ur level of maturity, acceptance and tact

@Bluenubian

omg u sound like u really know what u saying.

Actually homosexuality existed before the white man came, the romans practiced homosexuality, even our forefathers_{yes i said it}. but the way it was practiced, was different.

I never said the romans were our forefather. I said the ancient romans practiced homosexuality. U twist everything I say to your advantage. I guess that's your own defense mechanism.

Look at the difference between your first quote and your second quote. If you are saying Homosexuality existed before the white man came into Africa, you are in a sense saying Africans were already participating in Homosexual acts first. To back up your theory that blacks were practicing homosexuality you said this next,

Anyways its the white man the brought anti gay-ism with its missionary work to Africa.

Let me finish breaking down your first quote,

the romans practiced homosexuality, even our forefathers_{yes i said it}. but the way it was practiced, was different.

In this quote it would seem as though you are saying your forefathers are Africans but then what would be your point in then saying,

the romans practiced homosexuality, even our forefathers

who would be the forefathers in this sense? because you pointed out the Romans first I looked at as she must not know the Romans were white, because why would you even bring them up if your point was homosexuality existed in Africa long before the white man came? When the Romans are the white man? That is why my response to you was,


@ Bluenubian

I know you don't think the Romans were black!

Usaid I must be catholic and I confirmed that I was. I didn't come here to preach christianity to no one. I was simply answering your questions. u call me racist is cause I called u racist. Do I sense some guilt?

I guessed that you had to be catholic because although I am no longer a catholic, I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic school and all so I have knowledge of what Catholics teach. They teach you that Jesus and Mary was white. They teach you that our forefathers were those great philosophers such as the romans and the Greeks. They teach you that we are all brothers and sisters. The stuff you were repeating based on how you were raised in the catholic religion is the same stuff I used to believe. But, it dawned on me that if we are all brothers and sisters, why don't they acknowledgd us (black people) in their church. I later learned that it was the mission of the catholics to take over, this process is called spiritual warfare. If you believe your creator is white and you are black, you will subconsciously submit to all that is white. This process is call programming. That is how I guessed you were a catholic my sister, I have already been through what you are now experiencing.

No where did I call u a christian. Cause I call u a hypocrite does not mean am calling u a christian.

I asked u about your signature. U change topic and start preaching hypocrtical christians to me. Focus girl!! Focu

s

At no point did I say anything that referred to you calling me a christian. As a matter a fact I was the one who called you a christian and you confirmed it.
As far as expalining to you about my signature I did explain that, I did not over look that apparently you did,



[b]I am very focused however you don't seem to be. In your first response to me, you seemed to be flapping at the mouth without paying attention to the detail of what you were saying. I don't judge either my sister, if you didn't over look it I also told you I go according to Character. I am not arguing with you I believe that we are having an adult conversation. We are both entitled to express our self and that is what we do in these discussions. I love my African sisters and brothers, I wish I could visit Africa more often to be close to you. However, I don't have the funds to travel that way so I use this sight to stay in touch with you. Even when we argue I still feel love. I would rather argue with you every now and then, than to not speak with you at all.

I hope I cleared up my interpretation of what you said and I hope we can move on.

One thing I will not condone and that is the mistreatment of any brother or sister because of the sexual activity they choose to participate in.

eheeh. this is how an evil man will come and say God made him evil. (not that im saying gay ppl are evil) or a pedophile will say God made him like that.

I do not know the mind of God and whoever said this doesnt either. but best believe that a gay lifestyle is wrongful and counterproductive.

@ gigitte

Yes I agree with you. It is so easy to blame God. Your right, pretty soon the pedophiles will be saying that God made them that way. So will the Transvestites

Being gay is not a crime. Homosexuals are happy with their lives while u guys sit here sqirming and crying. U can't do nothing about their lifestyle but hate them, which is pure waste of energy.

lol if they were real happy with their gay lifestyle we would never hear about it! and how they want all this equality and what not
whatever they want to do they should do, wahala starts when they want my kids to start reading about daddy and daddy at age five in school. sorry me too i have wants and needs but most especially rights