BERNIMOORE:

NOW YOU ADMITTED THAT JESUS (the source of christianity) DID NOT TAKE TITHE.

That's not a point. After all he condemn the observation of sabbath and some othe practice of the law but he didn't condemn tithes rather he endorsed it. Besides he took money from followers.

AND IT IS VERY CLEAR NOW THAT,PAUL DID NOT ACCEPT TITHE, YOU CANT PRODUCE ANY BIBLE VERSE ON THESE.
ITS A FACT NOW.

Paul had churches under him. He wasn't dealing with congregation directly he had officials who ran the running of those churches, besides tithes is not for msn . It's Gods. So the language of Paul collecting tithes is wrong. It doesn't belong to the local pastor ,neither the general overseer.

MEANWHILE, APOSTLE PAUL GAVE US HIS REASON,THAT THEY(corinthians) 'ABOUND IN FAITH AND GOOD WORKS' BUT NOT HAVING SUFFICIENTLY, SO HE FEELS NOT TO 'BURDEN' THEM BY LOVINGLY SEEK ASSISTANCE FROM OTHER BRETHREN OUTSIDE OF CORINTH TO COMPLEMENT THEIR LACK ;IS THAT NOT COMMENDABLE?

It's not commendable. That was Paul he knew the truth and he admitted he had that right. But he was dealing with a perculiar situation ,it was his choice . Remember he decided not to marry. It's a choice. Will you make celibacy a law be ause of paul personal descision?

DID HE FORCE TITHE ON THEM, OR DID HE SAY 'THEY ARE ROBBING GOD? NO.
1 COR 8:13-14.

We were not there to know how they ran everything. The point is that . Tithing is a spiritual principle . And like any other spiritual principle ,they are eternal.

PLS SUPPLY BIBLE VERSES THAT PAUL USE TO SUPPORT TITHE,JUST ONE AND I WILL BE OKAY?

I gave one already , you are the one that need to give a single verse where God put an end to tithing. Just one pls

[b]OH,I WILL SUPPLY SCRIPTURES IN BATCHES NOT ONLY ONE,THAT SHOWS TITHE RULE HAS BEEN ANNULED

BUT TO START WITH, CAN YOU REPEAT THE BIBLE VERSE THAT YOU CLAIMED TO HAVE SENT? IM NOT AWARE OF IT,SO DO IT NOW,

FIRTLY, HEBREW 7, START WITH THE ''COMMANDMENT TO RECEIVE TITHE'' IS INSTITUTED UNDER THE LAW COVENANT.

HEBREW 7:5;

5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;


AND THEREFORE (because of its weakness and unprofitableness,)IT WAS ANNULED, (OR ENDED BY NAILING IT ON THE TURTURE STAKE)
COLOSIANS 2:13,14;

13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,

19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

GALATIANS 3:19,21-25.;

22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.


LOGICAL EXPPRESSIONS HERE,WE ARE NOT SPEAKING LATIN,

NOW SUPPLY ME WITH YOUR OWN BIBLE VERSE WHERE JESUS PAUL AND EARLY CHRISTIANS TITHE, OR COMMANDED TO TITHE,NOW.

PLS, SUPPLY THE BIBLE VERSE FIRST BEFORE YOU REPLY POST HERE.PLS.



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HEBREW 7;12,18,19,22.

.12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,

19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

@Koyedemi,

Chuksxp, and others following the tread,

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YOUR QUOTE,
Koyedemi:quote
[quote] Paul’s teaching on giving is based on generous/bountiful giving. 2 Corinthians 9:6-7 (NKJV):
6 But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. 2Cor.8-9.

''He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.''

DOES THIS ABOVE STATEMENT SUGGEST '' PUTTING CASH IN CHURCH,IN TURN INCREASE IN THE GIVERS FINANCIAL BUSINESSES''?ACCORDING TO TODAYS CONCEPT OF ''SOW''.
WHAT DO CHRISTIANS ‘SOW’? (is it cash ‘sowing’ for muiltiplication, or ‘sowing’ in spirit that includes generousity)


TO ANSWER THIS LETS SEE WHAT CONSTITUTES THE THE BIBLE AND CHRIST-ERA 'SOWING' AS USED IN THE BIBLE; Pls read,

Galatians 6:7-9

7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. 9 And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.
NOTE,

{a} For he who ‘’sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption’’,
{b}‘’ he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life’’.

Galatians 5:19-21

{a1}
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[a] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[b] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

{b1}
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

APPLY [a] to[a1] and [b] to [b1] ANSWERS WHAT CONSTITUTES ‘’SOWING’’ AS USED IN THE PARAGRAPH DURING THE EARLY CHRISTIANS.

NOW,LETS SEE AND EXAMPLE OF A ‘CHEERFUL GIVER’ WHO ‘SOW BOUNTIFULLY AND WAS REWARDED BOUNTIFULLY.
ACTS 9:36-41;

36 At Joppa there was a certain disciple named Tabitha, which is translated Dorcas. This woman was full of good works and charitable deeds which she did. 37 But it happened in those days that she became sick and died. When they had washed her, they laid her in an upper room. 38 And since Lydda was near Joppa, and the disciples had heard that Peter was there, they sent two men to him, imploring him not to delay in coming to them. 39 Then Peter arose and went with them. When he had come, they brought him to the upper room. And all the widows stood by him weeping, showing the tunics and garments which Dorcas had made while she was with them. 40 But Peter put them all out, and knelt down and prayed. And turning to the body he said, “Tabitha, arise.” And she opened her eyes, and when she saw Peter she sat up. 41 Then he gave her his hand and lifted her up; and when he had called the saints and widows, he presented her alive.

Mathew 19-21;
Remember the young ruler was told by jesus to,

21, ‘’sell all ye have and distribute to the poor.and have treasures in heaven’’,

JESUS DID NOT ASK HIM TO TITHE OR ‘SOW’ THE CASH PROCEEDS BUT THAT HE SHOULD DISTRIBUTE IT DIRECTLY TO THE POOR,SIMPLE. AND THAT SHOWS ‘SOWING IN ‘SPIRIT OF KINDNESS’ WHICH IS NUMBER 5, OF [b1]above.


IT AMAZES ME WHEN PEOPLE DONT TALK OF ''GOOD CONCIENCE TOWARDS GOD IN ALL WE DO'',

SOME DONT CARE ''HOW(the process) THEY GOT THEIR MATERIAL RICHES'' BUT(the product matters)TO THEM

THEY CLAIMED IT IS GODS DOING, EVEN IF YOU OBTAIN WEALTH BY 'FRAUD' SO FAR YOU PRAY AND 'SOW' (according to the modern pastor) .

IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO GOD?

OR IS GOD BLIND TO SEE THOSE 'FRAUD' PROCESS?
Questions begging for answers,

'you cant mock God' 'he sees everything'

SUMMARY: CHRISTIANS ‘SOW’ IN SPIRIT(the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.)

THE SPIRIT MOTIVATES ACTIONS IN CHRISTIANS.








THE NEXT OF YOUR QUOTE;





quote

• Jesus said He did not come to destroy the law (tithing inclusive) but to fulfill it Matt.5:17.

YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME THAT GOD IS A GOD OF 'PURPOSE', HE REVEALED HIS PURPOSE REGARDING THE LAW COVENANT,HOW?

How is the law fufiled by jesus?

It is fufiled to the extent that, his coming to fufil the prophecies has been foretold in the old testament Directed to Abraham that;.

(through your seed ,the nation will bless themselves,and when) .


Galatians 3:19.23-25.

19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator

23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.

24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.


Colossians 2:14


14 blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us. He took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;

THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE OF TITHE WAS AN ISSUE (BETWEEN THE JEW CHRISTIANS WHO LIVED BEFORE UNDER THE LAW,AND THE GENTILES THAT IS NON JEWS CHRISTIANS)
AND THE CONTROVERSY ABOUT,SHOULD THESE NEW CHRISTIAN STILL PRACTICE THE STRICT REQUIREMENTS DEMANDED BY THE LAW EXPECIALLY THE TITHE ISSUE?.
THROUGH INSPIRATION APOSTLE PAUL DELIVERED THE MESSAGE IN HEB 7,
IT WILL INTEREST YOU THAT HE STARTED THE DELIVERY WITH THE 'TITHE ISSUE INCLUSIVE'(pls read the whole chapt.7)

WHERE THE ISSUE WAS INTERPRETED AND LAID TO REST. PAUL A LAWYER,STARTS THE DELIVERY THIS WAY;

'Now beyond all contradiction'

HEBREW 7:7-12.

7 Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by the better.

8 Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.

9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak,
10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.

Need for a New Priesthood

11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

MAT 19:21

,21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

JESUS WOULD HAVE INSTRUCTED THIS YOUNG RICH MAN ''TO HAVE AT LEAST PAY THROUGH THE TITHE PROCEEDURES,INSTEAD JESUS DIRECTED THE PROCEEDS TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE POOR.

NOTE CONCEPT OF ''PERFECTION IN THESE QUOTES BY JESUS;

if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
COMPARE TO;

If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor,

@ Bernimoore,
Tithing has been expounded on other topics so really there is no need for me to dabble into the subject again however I noticed you quoted Hebrews 7:12 and then jumped to verse 18.
Verses 13 to 18 say:

13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. '

Please notice the bolded, are you saying that the annulment of the commandment was of verse 5 (edited) or of verse 16 as I noted you neatly did not mention verse 16?

Also, Heb 7:28 below also explains verse 18 in my opinion:

  28For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.'

Could you explain the bolded verses and how they relate to the disannulment of the commandment going before of verse 18?

@BERNIMOORE

I asked of only one scripture. And of ll the scriptures you quoted. None specifically tithes are nulufied, So pls search again and give only one. I'm not asking about the law ,I'm asking about tithes. Because the tithes principle precedes the law. And it's been proven that certain principles under the law are still valid .

Is there a single verse where God or Jesus,or any apostle says tithing should end? The things that are passed away are the things Jesus fulfilled. Tithing was not a shadow of things to come, it's a principle . Sowing and reaping ,giving is a principle, Honouring parents is a principle, prayer is principle, principles transcend dispensations ,they are eternal

[b]@snowwy,

quote:snowy

Tithing has been expounded on other topics so really there is no need for me to dabble into the subject again however I noticed you quoted Hebrews 7:12 and then jumped to verse 18.
Verses 13 to 18 say:

13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. '

Please notice the bolded, are you saying that the annulment of the commandment was of verse 12 or of verse 16 as I noted you neatly did not mention verse 16?

Also, Heb 7:28 below also explains verse 18 in my opinion:

 28For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.'

Could you explain the bolded verses and how they relate to the disannulment of the commandment going before of verse 18?

Thanks for the priviledge,

FIRST OF ALL HEBREW 7:5;
AKNOWLEDGES THE FACT THAT THE 'LEVI' PRIEST HAVE ''COMMANDMENT TO RECEIVE TITHE'' IS INSTITUTED UNDER THE LAW COVENANT.

HEBREW 7:5;

5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;

vs 13-17;

GOD MONITORED ( THAT JESUS WILL NOT COME THROUGH THE TRIBE THAT 'OFFICIATE AS PRIEST' WHICH IS LEVI,)  TO FUFFIL THE PROMISE GIVEN TO ABRAHAM( through Abraham's seed, God will bless the nation),


BUT JESUS NOW CAME FROM ''A TRIBE WHICH IS NOT LEVI, A TRIBE THAT DO NOT HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY IN ANYWAYWHATSOEVER TO RECEIVE TITHE,OFFERINGS,FIRSTFRUIT,ETC. WHICH IS 'JUDAH' OR 'ROOT OF JESSE' DAVIDS FATHER.IN ISREAL OF OLD.

HEBREW 7;5,12-18.



12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest

16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life.
(VS 16, ONLY HIGHLITES THE METHOD
(VS 17, HERE NOW CONTAINS ''THE OATH'' THAT MADE JESUS THE NEW PRIEST FOREVER).;

17 For He testifies:

“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”


PLS NOTE,

{A}DID JESUS NOT COME FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH?, AND(Verse 14,)SHOWS THAT TRIBE OF JUDAH NEVER OFFICIATE AS PRIEST UNDER MOSES LAW,
SO JESUS WHOSE MOTHER CAME AND TRACED THROUGH THE TRIBE OF JUDAH BECAME THE HIGH PRIEST THE WAY(OR SAME PROCESS) MELCHIZEDECH BECAME HIGH PRIEST.;BY AN OATH.

{B}MELCHIZEDECH WHO OFFICIATE AS PRIEST,BECAME A PRIEST BY AN OATH,AND NOT BY INHERITANCE{LEVI}

NOTE THE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN (A) AND (B) ABOVE 'EXPLAIN THE PROCESS OF CHRIST BECOMING THE HIGH PRIEST BY A DIFFERENT METHOD FROM OLD LEVI PRIEST OF ISREALITES WHO 'BY INHERITANCE' OR AUTOMATIC BY TRIBE BECAME PRIEST,AND THE  ANNULMENT OR SETTING ASIDE OF THE PRECEEDING LAW.

JESUS FURTHER DECLARE THE ''THIS CHANGE''  THAT RENDERS ONLY THE OLD ISREALITE NATIVES AUTHOMATIC 'SONS OF GOD' '' TO THE PHARISEES AND THE HIGH PRIEST WHO STILL HELD TO THE OLD LAW COMMANDMENT,TITHE OFFERINGS FIRSTFRUITS ETC THAT;

MATHEW 21;43-45.

43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.”

45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them.

VS 28, FURTHER STRESED THAT THE LAW MADE MEN HIGH PRIESTS,BUT SUCH MEN (LEVI) PRIESTS BECAUSE THEY ARE IMPERFECT HUMANS.THEY HAVE THEIR WEAKNESSES,Verse 23 point out one of the weakness,which is death. and that prevents the ''continuity of the priest'' (23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing.)


BUT 'A PERFECT PERON' JESUS CHRIST BECOMING PRIEST THROUGH AN OATH, ARRIVED AFTER THE LAW AS PRIEST FOREVER.

TO FURTHER STRESS THE AUTHENTICITY OF THESE IN VS16, 18 AND 28.


GALATIANS 3:23-25.;

23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.


COLOSIANS 2:13,14;

13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;



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@Snowwy,

For a complete analysis of Hebrews 7, you need to read "Should the Church Teach Tithing" by Dr. Russell Earl Kelly.  The book is available for free download on the internet.  You need to read starting at page 153.

Here is the first part of it - referring to HEBREWS 7:

"The First Key Verse Involving Tithing
7:5 And truly they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the offi ce of
the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according
to the law, that is, of their brothers, though they come out of the loins of
Abraham.
This is a crucial verse for understanding the remainder of the chapter,
because the conclusions reached in 7:12 and 7:18 affect this foundational
ordinance.
“Sons of Levi” reminds the readers that the Levitical priests owed much of their
existence and authority to their privilege of receiving tithes. The writer of Hebrews
fi rst reminds his readers where the authority of the Levitical priesthood originated
before he proves that Christ’s authority is greater and replaces the former!
“According to the law” establishes the connection between “tithing” and the
Mosaic Law. Whereas, in Hebrews, neither the word “tithe” nor “law” occurs
before chapter 7, in this chapter “tithe” occurs 7 times (vv. 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, and 9),
and “law” occurs 7 times (vv. 5, 11, 12, 16, 19, and 28). Tithing does not occur
anywhere else in the New Testament after Calvary! A primary purpose of this
chapter in Hebrews is to demonstrate the change of the legal system which established
the Levitical priesthood.
As already mentioned, both the fi rst and last Scriptural occurrence of tithing
involve Melchizedek! Therefore, in order to correctly understand this chapter, one
must observe the vital connection between tithing and the Old Covenant Mosaic
Law. From the context, the word “law,” fi rst used in verse 5, defi nitely must, though
not exclusively, refer to tithing!
“A commandment” refers specifi cally to Numbers, chapter 18. Those who study
Numbers 18 in order to support New Covenant tithing are compelled to discard it
and concentrate on more obscure texts. However, one who takes the time to study
Numbers 18 will soon discover why tithing is not suitable for New Covenant
believers. Since Numbers 18 actually contains the “commandment,” “ordinance”
or “statute” of tithing, it should be carefully studied by every serious Bible student
with the goal of discovering exactly what the Bible says.
Even in our own society, any law which creates a job position must first include
the “provision,” that is, the source of revenue for paying that person for services
rendered. Therefore, the “provision” is the very heart, the foundation, and the
enabler of the person in the position being created by law. Again, Numbers 18
is the “chair,” or “provision ordinance,” of the Mosaic Law which established
the Levitical priesthood and all of its support, including tithing. The connection
explains why tithing is mentioned so often in Hebrews, chapter 7. This
“ordinance” or “statute” of tithing which provided sustenance for the Levites had
abolished the centuries-old tradition which had designated the male head of the
household as the family priest. The tithing ordinance forced Israel to support the
Levitical system through tithes and offerings. It also applied a death penalty on
anyone trying to “draw near” to worship God directly.

@Bernimoore
I wld advice you stop wasting your time debating with Joagbaje. I can assure you that he knows betond reasonable doubt that tithing is not applicable to christians but becos he is a pastor with cec and he benefits from tithes apart from tithes target set for him by his head office, it is not in his interest to admit the truth.

@Bernimoore and garyarnold, thanks for the expose. However, it still shows the chapter is talking about the change of priesthood and referenced tithing according to the law and before the law. Christ's priesthood is similar to Melchisedek's who received tithe from Abraham before the law. (Remember it was recorded that Abraham met a priest only once on his way back from war with his loot, ofcourse that was why he could tithe from the loot only). Jesus wasn't against it but rather said it should not be left undone (he didn't need to add this statement if he was against it).
In other NT books, Paul references OT, uses words like 'power over you' 1 Cor 9:1-13, 'robbing other churches' 2 Cor 11:8. It depends on your conviction but I have a strong conviction on it based on faith, scriptures. To everyone his own.

@Snowwy,

Christ's priesthood is similar to Melchisedek's who received tithe from Abraham before the law.

Only similar in ONE respect - neither Melchisedek's nor Christ's priesthood was created by law. There are no other similarities.

Hebrews 7:18 tells us that Numbers 18 was disannulled. Therefore, the Levitical priesthood (including all it laws, etc., including tithing) was disannulled. It is treated as though there never was a Levitical priesthood. Therefore, the priesthood of Christ follows that of Melchisedek; thus, in the order of Melchisedek.

@pastor kun,and Goshen 360

Thank you my brothers, its very neccessary to purge the knowledge of this people, and you realise that they are taking advantage of people's ignorance.  i have volunteered my time to educate people who wants to know the truth, im not wasting my time, i appreciate your concern. And im still waiting for his reply.

You guys have really shed so much light on this subject, thanks guys!

BERNIMOORE:

@ Joagbaje,,

Quote from joagbaje

HAVING SUPPLIED YOU BIBLE VERSES TO SHOW THAT TITHE UNDER LAW HAS BEEN ANNULED,

YOU SEEM TO BE ADAMANT THAT YOU DONT HAVE BUSINESS WITH THE THE ANNULMENT OF THE LAW EXPECIALLY ABOUT TITHE,

ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE TITHE COVENANT ENACTED AS CONTAINED IN THE LAW COVENANT,HAVING BEEN ANNULED, ANOTHER TITHE SYSTEM OUTSIDE THE LAW ALSO  DIFFERENTLY OPERATES?

DO YOU THINK THAT CHRISTIANS JUST DO SOMETHING OR WORSHIP WITHOUT FOLLOWING THE STANDARD SET BY THE CHRIST AS CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE?

CAN YOU FURNISH ME WITH BIBLE VERSES THAT SHOWS THAT THE 'TITHE' UNDER 'LAW' IS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM THE TITHE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
PLS SHED MORE LIGHT.

I don't really want to repeat myself over . Tithing is a spiritual principle. The structure under the law was strictly for the Jews . The tithes we give today is not based on levitical order. The process or structure is not the issue.

For example the reason Abel offered first fruits  was different from the reason Israel offered first fruits . The way Abraham gave tithes was different from the structure under the law. So the issue is not th process but the principle . So if you want to compare church tithing with levitical ,it doesn't make sense.

[b]@snowwy,

Jesus wasn't against it but rather said it should not be left undone (he didn't need to add this statement if he was against it).
In other NT books, Paul references OT, uses words like 'power over you' 1 Cor 9:1-13, 'robbing other churches' 2 Cor 11:8. It depends on your conviction but I have a strong conviction on it based on faith, scriptures. To everyone his own.

PERMIT ME TO BORROW SOME  LEGAL POINT OF VIEW.

'IF THERE IS NO LAW,THEN THERE IS NO CRIME. BUT AN OFFENDER BECOMES AN ACCUSED IN THE EVENT OF BREAKING A PARTICULAR FORBIDDEN LAW.

THAT WHAT ABRAHAM DID WITH THE SPOILS WHEN HE GAVE A TENTH PART   ''PREDATES THE LAW'' GOES TO NO ISSUE AT ALL, SINCE IT WAS LATER  INCORPORATED AND PRACTICED IN THE LAW COVENANT BEARING THE NAME 'TENTH PART'.IT WILL BE WIPED OUT ALTOGETHER WHEN SAME INCORPORATED LAW IS ANNULED.
 
THE FACT THAT ABRAHAM GAVE A TENTH PART OF SPOILS TO MELCHIZEDECH,HE DOES NOT FOLLOW A PARTICULAR PATTERN, AND THEN CANNOT ASSUME A SEPERATE  IMMUNITY OR STAND OUT UNANNULLED  IF HAVING BEEN INCORPORATED INTO AN EXISTING LAW, IT WILL GO AWAY OR CEASE TO OPERATE IF THE LAW IT WAS INCORPORATE ALONG SIDE WITH WAS ANNULLED OR DISENGAGED.

Can you explain further what you feel about 'robbing other churches' in relation to 'tithe', and can you support your strong conviction tied with scriptures that directs christians to tithe, as a standard?



 


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@ joeagbaje,

BEFORE A PARTICULAR PROCESS BECOMES 'A STRUCTURE',IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TESTED AS AND RESOLVED TO BE A STANDARD, CAN YOU MENTION THOSE WHO TITHE ACCORDING TO THE ABRAHAMS STRUCTURE YOU CLAIM?

If the structure under the law was strictly for the Jews, why then does Oyakhilome teach falsely that those not paying tithes today are "robbing God". Afterall the "robbing God" aspect is only tied to the structure under the law! A person following the Abram example but who does not pay tithes cannot be robbing God --- since he is under no obligation to pay tithes!

garyarnold:

@Snowwy,

Christ's priesthood is similar to Melchisedek's who received tithe from Abraham before the law.

Only similar in ONE respect - neither Melchisedek's nor Christ's priesthood was created by law. There are no other similarities.

Hebrews 7:18 tells us that Numbers 18 was disannulled. Therefore, the Levitical priesthood (including all it laws, etc., including tithing) was disannulled. It is treated as though there never was a Levitical priesthood. Therefore, the priesthood of Christ follows that of Melchisedek; thus, in the order of Melchisedek.

You are right, Christ's priesthood was not created by the law of course just like Melchizedek's wasn't, buth tithe was received by Melchisedek, right? Right!

Hebrews 7:6-8:
6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

So if the priesthood of Christ is similar to that of Mechisedek, thus in order of Melchisedek, who received tithe of Abraham, why do you still have an issue with tithing?
Especially since Jesus did not condemn tithe in Mathew 23:23, ? If Jesus said it should NOT be left undone but the weighthier matters like mercy, justice should also be upheld, what exactly is the issue?

@Snowwy,

We know of only ONE instance of a tithe to Melchizedek. Only ONE. And that ONE tithe was not on income, but rather war spoils. Abram had already made a vow that he was going to keep NOTHING from the spoils. Abram merely divided the spoils - a tenth to the king-priest, and the balance back to its original owners. What Abram did was NOT even codified into the later law. According to Numbers 31, God didn't ask for a tenth of war spoils, but more like 1% instead. The scriptures do not tell us WHY Abram gave the tenth, and without knowing WHY, we can only speculate. However, Biblical historians do tell us that it was custom during that time to give a tenth of war spoils to the king.

The present priesthood is NOT similar to that of Melchizedek except that neither was created by law. In the order of is only counting numbers. 1. Melchizedek. The very next one is 2. Current priesthood. The Levitical priesthood is treated as never being there.

And here men that die receive tithes [the Levites]; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth [Melchizedek]. The Book of Hebrews was written BEFORE the Temple was destroyed in 70AD, and until that time, the Jews continued to tithe to the Levitical system.

Jesus could NOT condemn tithing in Matthew 23:23 since they were still under the Old Testament laws. Why would he condemn a law that was still in force? Jesus also did not condemn the other laws in effect at that time.

Hebrews 7:7 (KJV) “And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.”

Abram, the lesser, was blessed by the King-Priest Melchisedek, the better.

Abram gave the tenth to the better.

1 Peter 2:5 (KJV) “Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.”

1 Peter 2:9 (KJV) “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:”

1 - According to the scriptures, priests do not tithe.
2 - As priests, all born-again believers are equal. There is no better or lesser among us. God has not designated any born-again believers to collect His tithe.
3 - To try and “tithe” today is denying that you are a part of a Royal Priesthood.

I don't understand why anyone would want to bring forward an inferior method into a superior priesthood. That totally boggles my mind. Spirit led giving is superior to tithing.

At least with the Mosaic law, we know a little about how tithing worked:
1 - ONLY those who inherited the promised land were commanded to tithe
2 - ONLY from crops and animals
3 - The poor RECEIVED a portion of the tithe.
4 - The poor did not tithe.
5 - There were three different tithes, each with a different definition, each with different instructions, and each with a different purpose.

We don't know ANYTHING about how tithing would have worked under Melchizedek. We don't know if tithing was limited to war spoils, whether it was also on crops and animals, whether the poor benefited from the tithe, etc. etc. So it makes absolutely no sense to try and use Abram's one-time spoils tithe as an example or justification to tithe today.

Had God wanted us to tithe today, don't you think He would have told us HOW he wanted us to tithe? We have absolutely NO instructions for tithing on income (whether gross, net, adjusted, etc.). We have NO instructions where to take a tithe today.

All tithing instructions today have been made up by man. None of it is Biblical. The Biblical tithe was on the NET, not gross, and NEVER on anyone's income.

Tithing is the biggest fraud going on in the world today that I know of. I want no part of it.

Being Spirit led, I find myself giving far more than a mere tenth of my income.

BERNIMOORE:

[b]@snowwy,


PERMIT ME TO BORROW SOME  LEGAL POINT OF VIEW.

'IF THERE IS NO LAW,THEN THERE IS NO CRIME. BUT AN OFFENDER BECOMES AN ACCUSED IN THE EVENT OF BREAKING A PARTICULAR FORBIDDEN LAW.

THAT WHAT ABRAHAM DID WITH THE SPOILS WHEN HE GAVE A TENTH PART   ''PREDATES THE LAW'' GOES TO NO ISSUE AT ALL, SINCE IT WAS LATER  INCORPORATED AND PRACTICED IN THE LAW COVENANT BEARING THE NAME 'TENTH PART'.IT WILL BE WIPED OUT ALTOGETHER WHEN SAME INCORPORATED LAW IS ANNULED.
 
THE FACT THAT ABRAHAM GAVE A TENTH PART OF SPOILS TO MELCHIZEDECH,HE DOES NOT FOLLOW A PARTICULAR PATTERN, AND THEN CANNOT ASSUME A SEPERATE  IMMUNITY OR STAND OUT UNANNULLED  IF HAVING BEEN INCORPORATED INTO AN EXISTING LAW, IT WILL GO AWAY OR CEASE TO OPERATE IF THE LAW IT WAS INCORPORATE ALONG SIDE WITH WAS ANNULLED OR DISENGAGED.

Can you explain further what you feel about 'robbing other churches' in relation to 'tithe', and can you support your strong conviction tied with scriptures that directs christians to tithe, as a standard?
 


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@BERNIMOORE,
We are still going round in circles but see my response to garyarnold.

As per 'explaining further' what I meant by 'robbing other churches', I wonder where you gave any explanation at all. You did not even mention it at all but I was browsing on my phone then so let me paste the scriptures I quoted:

1 Corinthians 9:1-15
1Am I am not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
3[b]Mine answer to them that do examine me is this, [/b]
4Have we not power to eat and to drink?
5Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
6Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
7Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
9For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
11If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
12If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
13Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
15But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.

Please note the bolded. I think the scripture is explanatory enough. The only reason why Paul did not use this 'power' was because of them that were 'examining' him so that no man will make his glorying void.
May be you can explain what this 'power' means.


The second scripture quoted:

2 Corinthians 11:7-9
7Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?
8I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.
9And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself.

1 Timothy 5:17-18
17Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
18For the scripture saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

Galatians 6:6
6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things


2 Timothy 2:6
6The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.

Do you see that all these scriptures show that it is a duty to support the work of the gospel and it's ministers? We also have the duty to help the poor and family. None negates the other.

Now, I will like you to please look at the above scripture and explain based on your understanding what this means to you as you seem to know alot about the NT.

Do you see that all these scriptures show that it is a duty to support the work of the gospel and it's ministers? We also have the duty to help the poor and family. None negates the other.

No argument there.  And Paul makes it clear that we should give from the heart, NOT under compulsion.  Paul NEVER says we should "tithe."

garyarnold:

@Snowwy,

We know of only ONE instance of a tithe to Melchizedek. Only ONE.
And that ONE tithe was not on income, but rather war spoils. Abram had already made a vow that he was going to keep NOTHING from the spoils. Abram merely divided the spoils - a tenth to the king-priest, and the balance back to its original owners.
We don't know ANYTHING about how tithing would have worked under Melchizedek. We don't know if tithing was limited to war spoils, whether it was also on crops and animals, whether the poor benefited from the tithe, etc. etc. So it makes absolutely no sense to try and use Abram's one-time spoils tithe as an example or justification to tithe today.

The Biblical tithe was on the NET, not gross, and NEVER on anyone's income.

Being Spirit led, I find myself giving far more than a mere tenth of my income.

@garyarnold,
You still have not answered my question.
However, I picked some of your quotes as seen above  to respond to.

1. We only know of an instance of tithe to Melchisedek as there was just an account of Melchisedek and Abraham met him just once. Agreed?
2. Why did Abraham make the vow, so that the King od Sodom will not say 'He made Abraham rich'. See the context? And Abraham still gave a tenth of this, agreed?
3. The tithe was obviously based on what Abraham had with him at that time which were the spoils of war? Agreed?
4. Please quote in scripture where tithe was on the NET not on GROSS for my learning.

5. Tithe is part of giving, right? So since you give far more that a 'mere' tithe, that is what is required of you as a Christian in the first place (early Christians gave their all) and that was what even happened in the OT. They gave tithes, offerings, firstfruits, various sin/atonement offerings (It is even a surprise that they even had anything left) so I do not see what 'excess' you are giving that is making you feel happy.

garyarnold:

Do you see that all these scriptures show that it is a duty to support the work of the gospel and it's ministers? We also have the duty to help the poor and family. None negates the other.

No argument there. And Paul makes it clear that we should give from the heart, NOT under compulsion. Paul NEVER says we should "tithe."

Thanks that is all that is required. We are to give by faith and not under compulsion too.
So I can give tithe (just as it was not condemned by Jesus) and still make other givings.

Oh, I forgot to add, please show me anywhere in the account of Jesus that he made a statement that was made void due to his death?

Abram’s tithe:
Genesis 14:20 (KJV)  And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
Hebrews 7:4 (KJV)  Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Genesis 14:24 (KJV)  Save only that which the young men have eaten….

Abram gave to King Melchizedek a tenth of the spoils THAT WERE LEFT after subtracting out the food that had already be eaten from the spoils.  Therefore, Abram gave a tenth from the NET spoils, not the gross spoils.

The Levitical tithe:
Leviticus 27:30 (KJV)  And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD’S: it is holy unto the LORD.
Leviticus 23:22 (KJV)  And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God.
Nehemiah 10:37 (KJV)  And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.

We start with the gross (total) crops, subtract the amount left at the corners and any gleaning of the harvest, and also subtract the firstfruits that were taken to the priests, and then tithe on the net amount.

Leviticus 27:32 (KJV)  And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Deuteronomy 14:23 (KJV)  And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.

We start with the gross, or total number of new born animals during the year, removed the firstlings that were to be eaten at the festival, and tithe on the net by tithing the last one out of every ten counted under the rod.

The Festival tithe and the Three-Year tithe:
The crops in both of these tithes are adjusted the same as in the Levitical tithe.

Tithe is NOT taught as giving in the churches I have attended.  It is taught as a payment, as under the Mosaic law.  The Biblical tithe had NOTHING to do with giving.

When one says they "tithe" today, it INFERS the Biblical tithe which it is NOT.  And no one tithes the way Abram did - one time, on war spoils not his regular income, and keeps nothing for themselves.  And since we don't know WHY Abram gave the tenth, we don't know for sure whether it was a "gift" or "given" because of a custom.  So to use Abram as something you are following is just plain dishonest.

@Snowwy,

I don't have time now to find scripture where Jesus made a statement that was made void due to his death.

As far as Matthew 23:23, as I have said before, Jesus said they ought to tithe as they had ON THE HERBS, but Jesus never said they ought to tithe on their income from their professions as teachers and lawyers. Don't take things out of context. Furthermore, Jesus referred to the tithe as MATTERS OF THE LAW.

@garyarnold,
Answer my questions now, quit dodging.
1. Abraham gave a tithe of everything to Mechizedek, based on the account, when he was returning from war, we cannot say if that was before or after his men had eaten from it but it was clearly stated a 'tithe of everything'.

2. Abraham was a man of faith and he gave a tenth to the Priest whom he met once and he did that on his increase as well. Whether he decided to keep it or not, is not the issue.

Too bad if you have an issue with it.

garyarnold:

@Snowwy,

I don't have time now to find scripture where Jesus made a statement that was made void due to his death.
As far as Matthew 23:23, as I have said before, Jesus said they ought to tithe as they had ON THE HERBS, but Jesus never said they ought to tithe on their income from their professions as teachers and lawyers. Don't take things out of context. Furthermore, Jesus referred to the tithe as MATTERS OF THE LAW.

But you have time to argue tithing? If Jesus says do not leave it UNDONE, then sorry that is what I am doing. If you have an issue with it too bad.

As was said earlier, tithe was on ALL/EVERYTHING, increase etc, I am not taking it out of context, it is you that has an issue with it.
As you said, since Jesus said tithe was a matter of the law, He also said so was mercy, justice and faithfulness.
If you tell me that mercy, justice and faithfulness has been done away with then I will know what I am contending against.

Snowwy,

What does tithe of "all" or "everything" mean?

Does it mean everything in the world?
Does it mean everything he owned?
Does it mean everything he brought back with him?
Does it mean he actually worked out a tenth of all the spoils BEFORE he even met Melchizedek?

Use some common sense here.  He gave a tenth of all HE HAD WITH HIM AT THE TIME.  Read the story.

The Holy Bible, New Century Version
Genesis 14:20 (NCV)  And we praise God Most High, who has helped you to defeat your enemies.”  Then Abram gave Melchizedek [i]a tenth of everything he had brought back from the battle[/i].

Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Old Testamen
14:20
And he gave him tithes—A tenth part of all the spoils he had taken from the confederate kings.

I'm not dodging any questions.  It's way past my bedtime.  I will answer your other questions tomorrow.

garyarnold:

Snowwy,
What does tithe of "all" or "everything" mean?

Does it mean everything in the world?
Does it mean everything he owned?
Does it mean everything he brought back with him?
Does it mean he actually worked out a tenth of all the spoils BEFORE he even met Melchizedek?

Use some common sense here.  He gave a tenth of all HE HAD WITH HIM AT THE TIME.  Read the story.

The Holy Bible, New Century Version
Genesis 14:20 (NCV)  And we praise God Most High, who has helped you to defeat your enemies.”  Then Abram gave Melchizedek [i]a tenth of everything he had brought back from the battle[/i].

Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Old Testamen
14:20
And he gave him tithes—A tenth part of all the spoils he had taken from the confederate kings.

I'm not dodging any questions.  It's way past my bedtime.  I will answer your other questions tomorrow. 

Seems you are getting confused.
You just affirmed what I had been saying. Ofcourse, Abraham tithed on all he had brought from him at that time to the priest who met him on the way, Isn't that all we have been saying?
It's you that has failing to see what I had been telling you, did he think he would meet Melchisedek on the way? Not sure but it was what he had he tithed on? Agreed? Agreed!
It was an 'increase' to him (whether he decided to keep it or not) and he tithed on all! Simple.

When you have the time, probably, when you wake up tomorrow, please show me where Jesus made a statement that was made void after His death, till you answer that, is there any further need for discussion on this thread?

[b]@snowwy,

THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT WE TEND TO MIX THINGS UP,SINCE THERE IS NO PRIOR STRUCTURE  OR PATTERN THAT DICTATE ABRAHAMS ACTION,

AS AT THE TIME THAT ABRAHAM MET MELCHIZEDECK,ABRAHAM DID NOT 'TITHE' TO MELCHIZEDECH, HE GAVE A TEHTH PART OR TENTH PORTION (chech your bible use of word here,did the bible use the word tithe? rather it uses tenth part) BASED ON HIS (ABRAHAMS) PERSONAL FEELING OR APPRECIATION.  

pls STOP USING THE WORD 'ABRAHAM TITHE' HE DID NOT TITHE' BECAUSE THE 'CONCEPT' THAT 'CONSTITUTES TITHE' WAS INNAUGURATED WITH THE LEVI. AND DONE AWAY WITH COMPLETELY.

SO THERE ARE NO 2 FORMS OF TITHE BINDING,THE ONLY BINDING ONE IS BEEN REMOVED.



READ HEBREW 7 VS 2;

2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,”

COMPARE TO VS 5;(when there has been a part of the law refered to as 'tithe')

5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;

SO YOU DONT HAVE TO BORROW THE WORD 'TITHE' BECAUSE IT HAS GONE AWAY WITH THE LAW,

AND WHAT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW THE 'ACT' OF ABRAHAM  BEFORE THE LAW IS THE UNSTRUCTURED 'TENTH PORTION OR PART' A NON BINDING OR JUST SHOW APPRECIATION.

(AS YOU CAN SEE, NO BIBLE PORTION IN THE CHRIST ERA DEMANDS CHRISTIANS TO PAY NEITHER TITHE OR TENTH PART OR PORTION TO CHURCH,NOT A SINGLE BIBLE PORTION.


Snowwy quotes

Do you see that all these scriptures show that it is a duty to support the work of the gospel and it's ministers? We also have the duty to help the poor and family. None negates the other.

WE HAVE DISCUSSED EXTENSIVELY ON THE BIBLE VERSES YOU QUOTED(1 COR 9:1-13) WITH JOEAGBAJE, (a friend on the forum)

IM NOT AGAINST MORAL OR WILLING SUPPORT IN 'SUPPORTING THE GOSPEL' IT IS OUR DUTY NO DOUBT,
BUT
    THE CRIMINAL DEMANDS THROUGH THE AMALGAMATION OF 'USING THE CONCEPT OF THE 'BINDING' TITHE CONCEPT ALREADY DONE AWAY WITH, AND BORROWING WORDS LIKE ''YOU ARE ROBBING GOD'' USED TO THE OLD ISREALITES AS THREATS IF YOU DONT PAY. MIXING THINGS UP TO EXTORT OR MAKING PEOPLE FEEL THAT IF YOU FAIL TO TITHE IN A MONTH,AS IF HELL FIRE IS WAITING FOR YOU.

THIS CRIMINAL AMALGAMATION I REFFERED TO ABOVE IS WHAT MOST CHURCHES AND PASTORS FOLLOW TODAY,AND THEY LIVE THE LIFE OF OPULENCE AT THE EXPENSE OF THE CHURCH.

ABSOLUTE POWER CURRUPTS ABSOLUTELY,
WHERE A CHURCH DEEM IT FIT 'TO BUY A PRIVATE JET' AND SERVICING IT,AND THERE ARE POOR PEOPLE WHO COULD NOT FEED WELL OR THEIR CHILDREN GOING TO SCHOOL, IS THERE AN EQUALISING THERE?BELOW BIBLE VERSE WAS OVERLOOKED BY THE SO CALLED MEN OF GOD,AND THAT IS WHY I USE THE WORD''CRIMINAL''.,read

1 COR 8:13-14.

13 For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened; 14 but by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may supply their lack, that their abundance also may supply your lack—that there may be equality.






AND THERE IS NO COMPULSION AS TO IF YOU GOT TO DO ANY FAVOUR TO HELP A MAN OF GOD THAT IT MUST 'GO THROUGH THE CHURCH',YOU CAN JUST DO IT DIRECTLY WITHOUT GOING OR EVEN IMFORMING THE CHURCH,AND GOD WILL REWARD THE FAVOUR YOU DID IN A NOTICEABLE WAY. MAT 19:21

,21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

JESUS WOULD HAVE INSTRUCTED THIS YOUNG RICH MAN ''TO HAVE AT LEAST PAY THROUGH THE TITHE PROCEEDURES,INSTEAD JESUS DIRECTED THE PROCEEDS TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE POOR.



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I'd like to repeat:

If the structure of tithing under the laws is for the Jews only and has been done away with and if that means that "tithing" today is only in accordance with the example of Abram and not the law:

why then does Oyakhilome say that those not "tithing" are robbing God?