garyarnold:

@newmi said, "Don't you think those who teach tithing and practice tithing do it because they believe it and are convinced of it."

I am pretty sure those who practice what they believe to be tithing do it because they believe they are doing what the Word teaches.

I am not convinced that those who teach tithing believe what they teach. Being a Money & Finance Minister, I have had meeting with many pastors. One admitted to me that he knows tithing ended at the cross, but he said he must teach it the way he does in order to bring in enough money to run the church. Two others listened to my arguments, then did their own research and came to the conclusion that tithing ended at the cross, but both of them continued teaching tithing, but both stopped using the robbing God threat.

I am aware of other pastors who have privately admitted they know that tithing ended at the cross, but they also say if they don't teach it, they won't bring in enough money to keep the church going.

Based on just my own experience, I draw the conclusion there are many pastors who are dishonest.

Those following this blog should notice that the tithers either can't or won't DEFINE Christian tithing. Of course if they do, it would have to be a definition made up by man.

Some want to say you tithe on "increase." Well, if that is true, if during the year your house increases in value, do you tithe on that increase? How about if your family increases in size? Suppose you add on a room to your house increasing it's size? How about the increase in value of stock owned?

If you are going to tithe on "increase" do you reduce the increase by any decreases during the year?

If you say Christians should tithe on their income, is it gross income, net income, or some other type of adjusted income?

OR, do you say it is up to each individual to decide how to tithe, in which case I can reach in my pocket, find ten pennies, and if I give one, I have given a tenth of what I had; therefore, I tithed?

God was clear in His tithing definition and instructions. Man is wishywashy in his defining of tithing. Pastors don't even agree. Some say gross income while others say net income. Some say you tithe on your tax refund while others say you have already tithed on it. Some include gifts and inheritances and some don't. Some are so deceiving they actually ask, "Do you want a gross blessing or a net blessing?"

IS GOD THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION? If God wanted us to tithe today, don't you think He would have made the instructions clear? WHY all the confusion IF tithing is required, expected, or even recommended today?

BERNIMOORE:

@garyarnold,

THATS THE SUMMARY (in blue) ALSO YOU FORGOT TO ADD THEIR FREQUENT FRUSTRATING REMARKS IN QUOTES; ''you are getting confused'' ''please give rest to yourself. ''Our discussion on tithe has ended per my previous post to you''.
THEY REACT AFTER THEY HEAR YOU HITTING THE POINT AND EXPOSING THEM.EASY,EASY PLS.

garyarnold:

Every church I have attended teaches tithing. All of them. It wasn't until a few years ago when my pastor asked me to teach a Sunday School Class in finances that I began my study of tithing.

garyarnold:

I was shocked to find that everything I had been taught about tithing was wrong. It bothered me much, and I set up a meeting with my pastor. My pastor listened to my arguments against tithing, then said he believed tithing was proper, but he agreed to do his own research. A few weeks later, he stopped teaching robbing God, then gradually stopped teaching tithing BUT would not let go of the term tithing. He started teaching free-will giving, but calling it tithing. He didn't want his congregation to know his teaching had been wrong.

BERNIMOORE:

@ amor4ce

YOU SAID APOSTLES TITHED? WHERE DID YOU EVER SEE THAT?

SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM WITH ONE BIBLE VERSE TO SHOW APOSTLES ''giving first fruits and tithes '' AND IF NOT JUST KEEP QUIET AS ACCEPT YOU ARE WRONG OR DONT KNOW.SIMPLE

Snowwy:

@Bernimoore, I apologise since my remarks have been frustrating you.
You have your convictions and I have mine. I can back up mine with the bible, even if you disagree, so let everyone be persuaded based on the word.

@Finance Minister garyarnold, you have your defence in the Word, I have mine. To each his own.
Probably, we'll have cause to discuss again in other christian matters.
God bless all.

tpia@:


This constant whining is very annoying and aggravating and personally, if i were a pastor (THANK GOD I'M NOT), I would personally pray to God to shut the mouths of these irritants who are always going on and on about why people should not pay tithes.

If you chrsitians (so called) refuse to pay your tithe when it is needed (how may pastors have jets or are living large for goodness sake), then its my belief that God can use even a muslim, an atheist or any other stark unbeliever to provide funds for his work.

tpia@:

And use the proceeds to fund housing for the homeless.

Just showing you its not everything you can understand or predict in this life.

If a church is having financial difficulties which aree a direct result of the members refusing to pay tithe for whatever reason then imo the pastor and church leadership should consider this a wakeup call- either they need to pray for financial empowerment for the members, pray for healing for the church in case the problem is caused by strife, witchcraft or generational curses, or consider the fact that maybe God wants the ministry to mvoe in a different direction.

MrBible:

[size=13pt]Jesus gave us an eye witness account of what was put in the offerring bag, if tithe is money then Jesus would have mentioned it too.
Mark 12:41
41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts.[/size]

As long as your church is not threatening you with hellfire for not giving tithe (or even if it is)- you are free to spend YOUR MONEY as you wish.

BERNIMOORE:

@ Mr bible,

WHO DID JESUS GAVE KUDOS AS THE BEST DONATOR, THE RICH OR THE POOR?,REMEMBER, ITS ON VOLUNTARY GIVING, NOT BASED ON TITHE OR COMPULSION OR NECCESITY.

JESUS NEVER ASK FOR TITHING,DID YOU KNOW THAT? SHOW ME JUST ONE BIBLE VERSE THAT HE DIRECTED HIS DISCIPLES OR CHRISTIANS TO TITHE.

Can you therefore say with all confidence that they, except perhaps Matthew, never in their lives paid tithes? You know that such would amount to disregarding God's commandments. Where do you think the New Yam Festivals and the likes originated

Can this remark of yours be associated with the will of the Father? Did the Messiah ever speak to His people thus? The apostles were born as children of Israel and they grew up with the Levites and the Temple in their midst. Can you therefore say with all confidence that they, except perhaps Matthew, never in their lives paid tithes? You know that such would amount to disregarding God's commandments. Where do you think the New Yam Festivals and the likes originated?

garyarnold:

That comment, by itself, shows that tpia hasn't bothered to read this entire thread. ALL OF US against the FALSE TEACHING of tithing BELIEVE IN GIVING.

Our focus is NOT money. It's FALSE TEACHING.

Tpia has it backwards. It is tithing-teaching pastors who whine amount money. If they had a little faith, they would know that God will provide for His Church. But when pastors lack that faith, they instead turn to teaching lies. I have yet to belong to a local church where the pastor wasn't constantly whining about money.

goshen360:

My brother, It's all about biblical truth and not your own interpretation of the bible. The fact that certain things are recorded doesn't make them a practice for us in this christian age that we live in today. If your words highlighted are true, then celestial church people will be right by taking people to bath in the river or beach and people selling snake or breakthrough oil and mantle will also be right. So my brother, its about sound biblical teachings/doctrines.

"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear". 2 tim. 4:3 (NIV)

garyarnold:


That comment, by itself, shows that tpia hasn't bothered to read this entire thread. ALL OF US against the FALSE TEACHING of tithing BELIEVE IN GIVING.

goshen360:

Hey, some people will use the highlighted to justify pastors looking at money people give in the church o. I have seen this many times and this is the scripture verse they always quote.