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Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by ACM10: 9:21pm On Feb 10, 2012 |
9jacrip: What else can I say? |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by anonimi: 9:25pm On Feb 10, 2012 |
Katsumoto: This same argument goes on forever about jazz and classical music. A great product will always reach a high percentage of its target market, one way or the other, sooner or later. zmoni: You generally have a lot of Saro people who answer Yoruba names but the younger ones don't know the meaning. Banana Island, which is not far from the capital, Freetown still has direct descendants of slaves who speak some Yoruba phrases till a few years ago when I was lucky to visit the island. 1 Like |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by ACM10: 9:26pm On Feb 10, 2012 |
shymmex: he he he Katsumoto the storyteller |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by isalegan2: 9:28pm On Feb 10, 2012 |
This is getting sooooo off-topic! Yes, I concur that History and Politics almost always go together. I majored in Political Science and half of my electives were History courses. Sorry all. I initially proposed the History section MAINLY because the Politics section here on Nairaland can be a hindrance to effectively discussing some of the issues that we're attempting to address this thread. Now that we have been told that NL is actually leaning towards reducing the number of sections. . . Let's move on and return to the topic. P.S. Negro, you're a determined Omo Eko. But I am not bothered either way. People are becoming aware and a thirst for knowledge will only spring further. The interweb is a huge place. BTW, I think someone else first mentioned History section; I only expanded on his idea. edited |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by NegroNtns(m): 9:36pm On Feb 10, 2012 |
Quote from: OAM4J on Today at 08:32:05 PM We can try and make a case for having some of the threads in Politics section possibly with the library thread. What am not sure will sell is having history section. OAM4J, If you read responses on this thread you will no doubt understand the sentiments and the awakening it has generated. I want you to be open, please do not premeptively shut down the idea. True, some sections are collapsing into more popular and bigger channels on NL but that decision is probably for context and structure, rather than consumption. This initiative will be for the consumption and education of the race. Look at the audience in here. . . we have politicians, historians, writers, lawyers, doctors, administrators, bankers. . . and so on. I am yet to read a Yoruba respondent that did not enjoy or take pride in this Kiriji topic. Tony Spike, God Bless you! There are ideas to open more topics and discuss history. . . .How did the heavy losses in war affect gender balance in society and the resulting kinship and social supports?What were the military formations - Balogun, Otun Balogun, Osi Balogun. . and so on? what does Aare Ona Kakanfo mean and what was the origin of it? Kakanfo must be a place. . .where is it? What does Araba mean and where is the origin of it? Ogboni is our traditional judicial system and its a lodge. . . . what is the creed of their order and why? Now that Ifa and Yoruba culture has spread worldwide is there value to promoting a pilgrimage in Yorubaland? Through these discussions can we bridge understanding and closeness with Yorubas in Cuba, Brazilil, Puerto Rico, Miami, Carolina and other places who are hungry to know more about their ancestral home? Like Katz said, there is a market. . . . and the Yoruba crowd in here are the suppliers, we are only needing a storefront from where the inter-exchange can take place. You and your fellow moderators and Seun as well, have the power and discretion to give us that storefront. Here is the format we are requesting: Nairaland Forum > Nairaland General > Yoruba History. 1 Like |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by NegroNtns(m): 9:43pm On Feb 10, 2012 |
Isale Gan, You had a good idea with that proposal and I support it. As you see, its gaining support. OAM4J's response is a pushback and of course, is expected as part of negotiating. Dont worry bro, we are behind you. I will fire OAM4J if he doesnt make this initiative happen for us. In fact, I tell you what. . . I will personally take the next Yoruba war to his homeland. Somebody tell me how much swords cost these days, I need a double edged! |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by NegroNtns(m): 10:14pm On Feb 10, 2012 |
Just want to mention to people using google to search contents about Oyo. There were varieties of spellings used by Europeans that could not articulate the name properly. Try the following: Awyaw Kingdom, Awyaw Empire, Awyo Kingdom, Owyo Kingdom, and so on. |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by olaak1(m): 10:21pm On Feb 10, 2012 |
Pls talk 2 people like Adebayo Faleti& Prof Akinwumi Ishola they can help u out of ur findings hw be; pls let us know. |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by OAM4J: 10:23pm On Feb 10, 2012 |
Negro_Ntns: I guess you missed this: OAM4J: Bro, what you seek is beyond my powers. Only Admin has the power to create a new section. The starting point is to open a thread requesting for it in general section. If you and many others are able to make a strong case for it, it will be granted. You can also count on my support. Unfortunately bringing the next Yoruba war to my homeland is same as bringing it to your homeland. You, Isale_gan2 and I are from Lagos. I am proudly from Epetedo. Eko o ni baje BTW, Isale gan is not a bro, Isale gan2 is a SHE, I was already discussing with Oba of Lagos about marrying her before she dumped my broke ass for . . . i dont know who |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by NegroNtns(m): 10:52pm On Feb 10, 2012 |
Thanks, will address it to the Admin. Unfortunately bringing the next Yoruba war to my homeland is same as bringing it to your homeland. You, Isale_gan2 and I are from Lagos. I am proudly from Epetedo. Eko o ni baje What part in Epetedo? My mother is from Epetedo and I spent part of my childhood there with my grandparents. Always going between Isale Eko and Epetedo, from Abari in Epetedo to Ebute Ero in Isale Eko. . . I owned that whole sector. It was hard getting in trouble because almost everybody knew my parents and almost always reported my mischiefs. On Isale Gan, thanks for letting me know and I hope you did not miss where she said she and I might be related. |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by delpee(f): 12:31am On Feb 11, 2012 |
Interesting thread! Surely added value to the stories i have heard and the history books i read in the past. @OAMJ4 Since history is no longer a subject in our schools, NL can create a history section where all threads relating to our origin and past activities can be posted. This in addition to the culture section which should focus more on arts, music and our way of life can serve as a good source of information to the younger generation. Also a good source of research findings for interested scholars. Lets help our younger ones learn about their roots better. You have to consider the past to plan well for the future. |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by NegroNtns(m): 12:59am On Feb 11, 2012 |
A request has been submitted to Admin in Nairaland/general section for a Yoruba History home. Add your voice to the initiative. The idea was proposed by Isale Gan. Here is link. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-868158.0.html#msg10169821 Thanks. |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by Kilode1: 2:00am On Feb 11, 2012 |
Since history is no longer a subject in our schools, Really? Secondary School? No way, is this true? When did that happen? |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by isalegan2: 2:38am On Feb 11, 2012 |
Wow! See campaign. But I have to clarify, that I was supporting the move for an all-inclusive History section or subsection (of _ _?), and not one just for Yorubas. No offense. Good luck all the same. OAM4J: You better stop. "Communists" don't care about money or who's a broke bottom and who's driving a benz. Tell another story! You prob don't even know if I'm girl or guy. edited |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by ACM10: 7:35am On Feb 11, 2012 |
Negro_Ntns:https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-490918.2816.html I'm not surprised by the above comment. This is what you get after being fed with katsumoto's feel-good, ethnocentric, supremacist myths |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by tpia5: 3:52pm On Feb 11, 2012 |
history is no longer a subject in our schools, no wonder. that explains a lot. |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by emmatok(m): 10:37pm On Feb 11, 2012 |
nice tread |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by delpee(f): 10:46pm On Feb 11, 2012 |
tpia@: Sorry for the mix-up. Was told that history is still available as an option at O and A levels, included as part of Social Studies at JSS and primary school levels. Not much of what we are learning on NL about the history of our various nationalities is reflected in what they are thought to the best of my knowledge. Current undergraduates/jambites can enlighten us further. Methinks having a history section/subsection where we can read well researched stories of our heroes and villains past will afford many younger ones easy access to information about their roots rather than the biased and divisive stories told by some parents which breeds hatred and bitterness. We are better off understanding how we got to this point to plan how to move forward. At least i have understood how and why Yorubas learnt to be more patient (the ignorant see it as cowardice), more accomodating, fight more diplomatically and strategically even when unarmed (e.g. June 12) and unite as neccesary despite our differences. The strong ties and language affinity of Ijeshas and Ekiti kete is also clear. I would like to learn so much more about Yoruba history along with those of other nationalities . Its good for the future. |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by tarano: 12:02am On Feb 12, 2012 |
The yoruba kiriji war is just history repeating itself, in the mid to late 19th century Ibadan was the executor of Alafin Oyo edicts in yoruba land, earlier, Owu Iponle was the executor of alafins edits in yoruba land, Owu was destroyed in a genocidal war, from all directions, Ibadan faced the same fate but survived,, |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by Ufeolorun(m): 12:59pm On Feb 12, 2012 |
Give way please! |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by favouredjb(f): 1:49pm On Feb 13, 2012 |
SUbscribing, carry on katsumotu n co |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by richylaw(m): 2:10am On Feb 16, 2012 |
Wow, after a loooooooooooooooong time I feel totally relieved because I could read a well focused thread. While most of the information, references and accounts given on this thread are not new to me. I feel impressed and proud to have strong history enthusiasts pouring out knowledge uncontrollably here considering the effect of modernization on this generation. Furthermore, this may be a Yoruba history focused thread, but it is equally an avenue to propel a constructive approach in reviewing other African and world cultural histories. Kudos to the starter, Kats, Negro, Isale gan and a host of others for a serious and educative job well done. |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by favouredjb(f): 2:14pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
thanks guysssssssssssssssss, ;d ;d ;d ;d,proudly omo oduduwa |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by ektbear: 1:55am On Feb 21, 2012 |
Regarding my comment about making this "History of the Yorubas" book publicly available, here is what I have so far: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/40560748/hty.pdf (2 megabyte PDF) Going to require a lot effort to fix the OCR errors, though. Hopefully i can figure out a way to distribute this work among many people, wikipedia style. . . If I do figure out such a way, then perhaps some of you would be interesting in helping. |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by Kilode1: 2:15am On Feb 21, 2012 |
ekt_bear: I'm not a techie, but I'm ready to help, sign me up. I can learn and I can type when I'm free. |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by ektbear: 2:23am On Feb 21, 2012 |
Sweet. I'm using latex for the typesetting, since it allows rendering of diacritic marks easily (and also produces much sexier looking books than any other solution.) When I find a good way to collaboratively edit the tex, I'll set things up, post here again and then get in touch with you. Will probably be a couple weeks or so though. . . not much free time these days ;/ |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by Kilode1: 2:46am On Feb 21, 2012 |
^ Ok I'll keep checking back then. Yes make it sexy, we need people to access and use it easily. BTW, do you know if the copyright has expired on the book? I know it's valid for about 20+ years or so in some jurisdictions then it can enter into the public domain stage. |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by ektbear: 2:56am On Feb 21, 2012 |
his book was published in the 1910s or 1920s, so it is now in the PD |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by DuduNegro: 3:18am On Feb 21, 2012 |
ekt_ , Good job and yes, I would be willing to help but I have a question. Would it not be a good thing, beside fixing the typo errors, to also have a universal understanding or at least a deliberation towards creating some understanding on the roots and meaning of names and titles. For instance, the name Adimu, as well titles such as Seriki, Are and so on. In addition, how far do you want to go in identifying and including historical materials for all lands and people inclusive in the commonwealth of Yorubaland? |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by ektbear: 4:48am On Feb 21, 2012 |
Those are all probably admirable goals. Mine is much less ambitious. . . I just want to basically produce a high-quality version of Johnson's book, one comparable to say this. But instead make this version freely available online for download, reading, etc. So the name of the game is: 1. Compare page X (X=1, 2, etc) of this PDF above to corresponding page of the book scanned PDF 2. Note any errors/typos from the OCR process 3. Fix errors |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by Kilode1: 5:42am On Feb 21, 2012 |
^ Good plan. |
Re: The Yoruba Kiriji Wars (1877 - 1893) by DuduNegro: 6:35am On Feb 21, 2012 |
ekt_, I applaud your initiative and effort. Every step anyone of us who pride in the legacy of Oduduwa take toward elevating and improving the Yoruba appeal to the world, no matter how small it is. . . .is a monumental leap and must be acknowledged and given recognition. Thanks for clarifying and I will still help if Im needed. |
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