Natasha,,:

 Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest and they are fornication, uncleanness, loose conduct, idolatry . . . drunken bouts, revelries AND THINGS LIKE THESE As to these things I'm forewarning you, . . .'' so if drinking doesn't concern God why should He talk about it, why does he want us to keep it on check not to get drunk?    

Natasha,,:

 Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest and they are fornication, uncleanness, loose conduct, idolatry . . . drunken bouts, revelries AND THINGS LIKE THESE As to these things I'm forewarning you, . . .'' so if drinking doesn't concern God why should He talk about it, why does he want us to keep it on check not to get drunk?    

Joagbaje:

Don't misquote me pls. When I say unclean. I'm talking about ethics not spiritually. So don't link the uncleaness I'm talking about to spiritual uncleaness of galatians  . T

rhymz:

Natasha
since we are in the mood of talking about what glorifies God; does swallowing a hot bowl of Pounded Yam with Oha soup glorify God?
Is it a sin as well.

coogar:

i'll put it to you that he's not.
if you have any evidence against him that he's phoney please bring it out. . . . .
joagbaje is as real as they come. if there's one man of God who persistently matches his words of wisdom with actions on this forum, i would mention his name again and again and again.

so you are saying w@nking is legal for married folks but illegal for unmarried folks? there's a reason it's not listed as a sin in the bible.
it's because the ish would be too vague to be enforced. you cannot say pleasuring one's self is a sin against God. fornication/adultery involves someone else - masturbati[i]o[/i]n does not. the fact that someone thinks of beyonce whilst w@nking does not mean beyonce has Were Intimate with the fellow. beyonce doesn't even know the fellow exists so it's a sin against one's self - not a sin against God as it was explained correctly by pastor chris.

don't get it twisted. . . .some people enjoy w@nking more than sex.

lol coogar you are making things worse, why didn't you answer mu questions, why do peole self-service? what do they intend to achieve while self-servicing?  
Now a lot of people think cos you do it with your self only its not a sin but it seems you have forgotten it is the Temple of God  God dwells in our Body its not your play thing. So how is it a sin to oneself and not God since our body is His temple please explain   Lastly you were talking about thinking of beyonce and so on read Matthew 5:28 I hope you get what I'm trying to say from it   and don't you dare tell me it talks about adultery  

Rhymz your comparison does not tally you can't compare eating food which is beneficail for growth to  masturb@ting which is a substitute for sex    

Joagbaje:

Don't misquote me pls. When I say unclean. I'm talking about ethics not spiritually.

debosky:

I Cor 10:31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.

So yes - you can eat pounded yam and oha soup for the glory of God.

Thanks Debosky   lemme see what rhymz will say this time  

debosky:

I Cor 10:31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.

So yes - you can eat pounded yam and oha soup for the glory of God.

musKeeto:

U don't get JoAgbaje,
JoAgbatically, what he's saying is that it's all spiritual, spiritual fornication (giving mammee water canine), spiritual uncleaness (when your spirit man get boil for armpit), spriitual loose conduct (your spirit too dey waka for night),

Natasha,,:


lol coogar you are making things worse, why didn't you answer mu questions, why do peole self-service? what do they intend to achieve while self-servicing?  
Now a lot of people think cos you do it with your self only its not a sin but it seems you have forgotten it is the Temple of God  God dwells in our Body its not your play thing. So how is it a sin to oneself and not God since our body is His temple please explain   Lastly you were talking about thinking of beyonce and so on read Matthew 5:28 I hope you get what I'm trying to say from it   and don't you dare tell me it talks about adultery  

Rhymz your comparison does not tally you can't compare eating food which is beneficail for growth to  masturb@ting which is a substitute for sex   also read 1 Corinthians 10:31  

coogar:

oga sir, you don't even need to say a word.
people would say all sorts to discredit their neighbours without any shred of evidence or fact. . .and they expect people of their ilk to believe what they say.

rhymz:

"whatever you do" that is all inclusive and could as well mean you could as well self-service if it is done to the glory of GOD. YES, a christian man that refuses to fornicate and instead go for a "Joy Ride" could as well be included in that quote my brother. . . It does not prove anything jare!!

lol is this the best you can come up with this time   the Bible passage shock you atink     Lol I don tire for you rhymz  

ewo chineke me coogar oh please oh where did I say beyonce has sinned? ewo chibuzo oh coogar oh,  I couldn't write all you wrote so I said beyonce this and so on, that was to stand in for the whole statement you made  haba coogar how can you twist things like this  

dare2think:

-sighs-

Let me steal a saying from someone.

If you feel, as a religious person, that you can w@nk in heaven, then by all means please follow your conviction.

The matter is very subjective. Wonder why the bible sometimes dont do specifics, all this commotion would be unnecessary.

Happy wa@nking CE people!!!

coogar:

stop this obtuse reasoning.
the bible clearly tells us there's no marriage and sex in heaven but we still practise it on earth with smiles on our faces.
leave heavenly things to when we get there.

coogar:
?
throughout his lewd act, his mind was focused on his own wife which means his thoughts are pure. . . .has this man committed any sin?
i need answers.[

so you are saying beyonce has sinned because a man from obscurity had wet dreams about her? what the heck are you talking about?
it is the man who has sinned - it does not involve whoever formed his thoughts.
that is my point! a man who Were Intimate himself sinned against himself not his neighbour.

Natasha,,:

 Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest and they are fornication, uncleanness, loose conduct, idolatry . . . drunken bouts, revelries AND THINGS LIKE THESE As to these things I'm forewarning you, . . .'' so if drinking doesn't concern God why should He talk about it, why does he want us to keep it on check not to get drunk?    

Joagbaje:

The mastubation thing is a biological matter, dealing with urge or pressure. But the imagination of the mind is a different thing , that can be termed as lust. A man does not need to have imagination to mastubate . What of virgins who mastubates , do they have any intimate experience to Imsgine? What of those who have wet dreams?

see ya'll laterz     *I would have finished cooking by now*    

goshen take care
rhymz ,Joe and Coogar happy married life  

Joagbaje:

The mastubation thing is a biological matter, dealing with urge or pressure. But the imagination of the mind is a different thing , that can be termed as lust. [b]A man does not need to have imagination [/b]to mastubate . What of virgins who mastubates , do they have any intimate experience to Imsgine? What of those who have wet dreams?

dare2think:

Really, so self-service can come from 'nothingness'!!!
Something must have activated that need to self-service in the first place. Thoughts?

I dont feel its wrong to self-service at the thought of your wife/husband, impossible not to have thoughts to mastubate. C'mon now people, I assume we are all adults here.

Can you just wake up and start self-servicing!! Urge transforms to thoughts. or vice-versa

Ps Jo ,virgins can self-service at the thoughts of the opposite sex. Ask teenagers in puberty! (dont tell me you are that naive)

Natasha,,:

urge? so who tells you, you have an urge? your butt? hello the brain is the centre of life, everything starts there how are you going to know you long for something without your brain? so everything still boils down to your thoughts how on earth can I be doing something as masturb@tion and not think of sex or related  stuffs?

see ya'll laterz     *I would have finished cooking by now*    

goshen take care
rhymz ,Joe and Coogar happy married life  

Sex is God's invention. He is the mastermind behind it—and His creation is worth far more to Him than it is to us. This beautiful expression of love was created out of His own heart, as a gift to be experienced between a husband and wife. It is only in marriage that this manifestation of intimacy can be fully enjoyed in the depth for which it was created.

"Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and the sexually immoral" (Hebrews 13:4, NIV).

"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge" (Hebrews 13:4, KJV).

The more beautiful and unique something is (like intimate intercourse), the more power it holds over our lives, either for good or bad influence. That is why it is so easy for the devil to corrupt the most precious of God//'//s gifts. When we become more in love with the gifts than the One who endowed them, the things that were designed to bless us begin to destroy us instead. Yes, God cares about what we do with our bodies, in public or in private. He doesn//'//t want us to abuse ourselves in any way.

In fact, an older definition of self-service is "self-abuse." Although more modern dictionaries may no longer carry this definition, they are still linked together under self-abuse:

Self-abuse noun[/b]¹

1. Abuse of oneself or one//'//s abilities.
2. self-service.

1 Corinthians 6:18 (NIV) further confirms this, saying that unlawful intimate relations defile our own bodies. "Flee from intimate immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body."

[b]"Isn't it still better to self-service than to commit fornication?"

The easy answer to this question would be, "Yes, it is better to self-service, because at best it corrupts only one person. It certainly is the lesser of two evils." However, why would a loving, holy, all-powerful God abandon you to a situation in which you have to choose any evil, whether it be "lesser" or "greater?" To really answer this question, we must again go back to God's original plan for sex.

First of all, self-service will not truly relieve the intimate pressure that one may feel. It may for a short moment, but in the long run it only creates a deeper desire and capacity for sex, which will lead to more self-service. If you let yourself become enslaved to a intimate high, you will find that you need to go to increasingly extreme acts to maintain the same degree of excitement. There are even ungodly sex therapists who recommend self-service as a way of increasing intimate desire, not lessening it. This creates a vicious circle, like the junkie who craves a "fix," but is only temporarily satisfied. The more he indulges in his dependency, the more ensnared by addiction he becomes. This is the nature of all sin. That is why Jesus declared that all who sin become a slave to sin (John 8:34).

goshen360:

Let those who says masturba.tion is NOT sin simply because it is not specified in word as sin in the bible kindly answer these question below:

Does the word "Abortion" appear in the bible and what makes it a sin?
Does the "sex-trading" or "Prostitut.ion" appear in the bible and what makes it a sin?
Does the word "Indecency" appear in the bible and what makes it sin?

Let them asnwer the above questions and they should be able to prove to us masturba.tion is not a sin because the word, "masturba.tion" doesn't occur or it's not specified in the bible.

Shaking my head and waiting for answers

Joagbaje:

The mastubation thing is a biological matter, dealing with urge or pressure. But the imagination of the mind is a different thing , that can be termed as lust. A man does not need to have imagination to mastubate . What of virgins who mastubates , do they have any intimate experience to Imsgine? What of those who have wet dreams?

coogar:

it doesn't need to be activated by any thought.
what activates wet dreams that marked a teenager's puberty? come on. people are different and people have different thresholds of emotions.
that you need to think of your sexy neighbour to w@nk does not mean everyone is programmed that way.

dare2think:

lol, another jab again. Cooger, wetin I do you.

what activates wet dreams that marked a teenager's I dony know, you tell me.

So, you mean one can just start w@nking without a preceding thought or 'catalyst'?

care to explain?

coogar:

it's simple biology.
every man wakes up with a wood every morning - is that because my mind is perverse or because of my hormones?
now if someone with little threshold decides to act on his Situation and w@nks in the bathroom, has that man sinned?

would you rather have him fornicate or r@pe an unsuspecting babe walking across the street?