Hope isn't a fabrication !!!!

tbaba12345:

With all due respect, that is as ambiguous as it comes:

one physically, One in purpose, one what??

Can you come up with something more explicit? If Jesus was 'God',  He would have made it abundantly clear to his followers,

i get ur point, but dere r many passages in d bible whr Jesus claimed equality with God and dere r also passages whr Jesus humbled himself wiv God,
Jesus has been dere frm d beginning wen God created heaven and earth, Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let "US" make man in our image, means God wasnt alone, God the son(Jesus)  nd God d holy spirit was wiv him,
the Jews also claimed Jesus was blaspheming, all because he told em who he really was.

Funny that all these Africans have taken Western/Middle Eastern Religions to the head and have gone crazy. Look at them! Religious nuts that are known to be amongst the most morally corrupt groups of people on the face of the earth today. Pretenders everyone of you. Charlatans and deceits.

The oldest copies of the book date back to that time, and are written in Spanish and Italian.
Protestant pastor İhsan Özbek said it was unlikely to be authentic.
This is because St Barnabas lived in the first century and was one of the Apostles of Jesus, in contrast to this version which is said to come from the fifth or sixth century.
He told the Today Zaman newspaper: 'The copy in Ankara might have been written by one of the followers of St Barnabas.
'Since there is around 500 years in between St Barnabas and the writing of the Bible copy, Muslims may be disappointed to see that this copy does not include things they would like to see.
'It might have no relation with the content of the Gospel of Barnabas.'
Theology professor Ömer Faruk Harman said a scientific scan of the bible may be the only way to reveal how old it really is.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2105714/Secret-14million-Bible-Jesus-predicts-coming-Prophet-Muhammad-unearthed-Turkey.html#ixzz1nboP5sIX

The oldest copies of the book date back to that time, and are written in Spanish and Italian.
Protestant pastor İhsan Özbek said it was unlikely to be authentic.
This is because St Barnabas lived in the first century and was one of the Apostles of Jesus, in contrast to this version which is said to come from the fifth or sixth century.
He told the Today Zaman newspaper: 'The copy in Ankara might have been written by one of the followers of St Barnabas.
'Since there is around 500 years in between St Barnabas and the writing of the Bible copy, Muslims may be disappointed to see that this copy does not include things they would like to see.
'It might have no relation with the content of the Gospel of Barnabas.'
Theology professor Ömer Faruk Harman said a scientific scan of the bible may be the only way to reveal how old it really is.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2105714/Secret-14million-Bible-Jesus-predicts-coming-Prophet-Muhammad-unearthed-Turkey.html#ixzz1nboP5sIX

pasthedutc:

The oldest copies of the book date back to that time, and are written in Spanish and Italian.
Protestant pastor İhsan Özbek said it was unlikely to be authentic.
This is because St Barnabas lived in the first century and was one of the Apostles of Jesus, in contrast to this version which is said to come from the fifth or sixth century.
He told the Today Zaman newspaper: 'The copy in Ankara might have been written by one of the followers of St Barnabas.
'Since there is around 500 years in between St Barnabas and the writing of the Bible copy, Muslims may be disappointed to see that this copy does not include things they would like to see.
'It might have no relation with the content of the Gospel of Barnabas.'
Theology professor Ömer Faruk Harman said a scientific scan of the bible may be the only way to reveal how old it really is.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2105714/Secret-14million-Bible-Jesus-predicts-coming-Prophet-Muhammad-unearthed-Turkey.html#ixzz1nboP5sIX

My dear Lord Jesus Christ,

I thank u for giving me Life

I thank u for giving me the "Holy Spirit".

Ur the Only Son of God

I LOVE U JESUS.

I am sorry for the black man!

Some people wrote down their fables and you call them gospel

They tell you your legends are false doctrines but Muhammad and Jesus you follow.

allahu akbar

Inspiritum heavinus

Wake up!!!

This god or jehofa or allah that sent no messengers to you, only the white man that came to enslave, is no god for black people.

He is a cruel fiction!

[b]Wallahi,if i were a christian,i would be ashame to read all the comments here on this thread which are a mixture of lies,ignorance and blind religious zeal.

for God's sake,many keep saying the found artifact was written in "ARABIC".obviously,they dont know the difference between ARABIC and ARAMAIC,that is the language Jesus spoke in.

just in case the christians here are too scared and $hitting literally in their pants,let me help restate the points that are of interest in this find:

1.) the find is dated before the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (sa).so it could not have been muslims who "forged" it.

2.) the book is written in ARAMAIC and not arabic.

3.) the book is found in Turkey.and for those doubting the location of Turkey,they should know that the word "christian" was first uttered in Antioch which is in modern day Turkey.

4.) other copies of the "gospel of barnabas" attributed as "muslim forgery" by christians denying what Jesus predicted found elsewhere are not as ancient as this new found.

so dear christians,deal with the reality and swallow your arrogance and fanaticism.
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[b]Wallahi,if i were a christian,i would be ashame to read all the comments here on this thread which are a mixture of lies,ignorance and blind religious zeal.

for God's sake,many keep saying the found artifact was written in "ARABIC".obviously,they dont know the difference between ARABIC and ARAMAIC,that is the language Jesus spoke in.

just in case the christians here are too scared and $hitting literally in their pants,let me help restate the points that are of interest in this find:

1.) the find is dated before the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (sa).so it could not have been muslims who "forged" it.

2.) the book is written in ARAMAIC and not arabic.

3.) the book is found in Turkey.and for those doubting the location of Turkey,they should know that the word "christian" was first uttered in Antioch which is in modern day Turkey.

4.) other copies of the "gospel of barnabas" attributed as "muslim forgery" by christians denying what Jesus predicted found elsewhere are not as ancient as this new found.

so dear christians,deal with the reality and swallow your arrogance and fanaticism.
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Who says jesus was not a muslim is an insane. I defined muslim as arabic language which means someone who submites himself to the will of God.(onigbagbo) in yoruba language. But you people claimed to be christian n now saying

ALLAHU ALIM : GOD IS ALL KNOWING

A generational course awaits he who wants to ADD or REMOVE from the Holy Book.

If Jesus was not the messiah, how can he predict the coming of a messiah who will contradict his teachings. Jesus was gentle, he preached abt 1 man 1 wife, he preached the beatitudes etc Muhammed's teachings are different from these

I have always seen people that make use of abusive words as extremely dull people. Lots of responses to this thread further evidences the austronomical growth in the number of dull people that visit this forum. Can't you give your opinions to issues without attacking one another?

You can be a christain or a muslim and still be a terrible human being with your way of life. I am shocked with the willingness in people to assist one another in number of countries I have visited, regardless of their various religious believes, but what we have in Nigeria is a bunch of self-centered individuals willing to kill over religious discussions. For God's sake how has education affected our lives?

You all need to think!!!

Francis Diote:

If Jesus was not the messiah, how can he predict the coming of a messiah who will contradict his teachings. Jesus was gentle, he preached abt 1 man 1 wife, he preached the beatitudes etc Muhammed's teachings are different from these

I reckon that you know the true teaching of Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) or is it the bogeyman version that they taught you in Christian school or Sunday School?
BTW Muslims don't deny Jesus. It is Christians who deny Prophet Muhammed (PBUH)

jmoore:

Jesus gave a prophecy that false prophets will come and mohammed is one of the false prophets, we already know that. Any contradictory statement from the book they discovered is false

yea. . . and we disregard it in its entirety!

£14 million ke? Why should a photocopy of a page cost £1.5 million? All these archaeological rubbish sef. Na so some people go say dem find a wine for inside a ship wey capsized in the 1800s and will be auctioned at outrageous sums.

hahaha, , i dey laugh Oooooooo,

common that is too cheap.

1. Was Barnabas really its author?
This book professes to be a Gospel and alleges that its author was the Apostle Barnabas. We must therefore begin by enquiring who the man Barnabas really was and at the same time must decide whether he is the author of the book we are considering in this booklet. To do this we must make some comparisons between the knowledge that we have of the real Apostle Barnabas in the Bible and the professed author of the Gospel of Barnabas. At the beginning and end of this book two comments appear which immediately assist us in our quest. They are these:

Many, being deceived of Satan, under pretence of piety, are preaching most impious doctrine, calling Jesus son of God, repudiating the circumcision ordained of God for ever, and permitting every unclean meat: among whom Paul also hath been deceived. (The Gospel of Barnabas, p.2).
Others preached that he really died, but rose again. Others preached, and yet preach, that Jesus is the son of God, among whom is Paul deceived. (The Gospel of Barnabas, p.273).
The author of this book uses strong language to denounce the teaching of Paul in particular, especially regarding circumcision; the crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus; and the Christian belief that Jesus is the Son of God. The whole book abounds in discourses levelled against those things which the author particularly takes Paul to task for, and there can be no doubt that the author of this book is poles apart from Paul and his doctrine and is diametrically opposed to his preaching and teaching.

This is the first of many evidences against the authenticity of this book for whoever wrote it expediently appended the name "Barnabas" to it as its author, whereas only a brief reflection on the actual profile of the real Apostle Barnabas will show that he cannot possibly be the author of this book.

Let us briefly go through the history of Barnabas in the Bible. He only appears among the apostles after the ascension of Jesus to heaven when the early Christian Church was taking root in the land of Palestine. As a gesture of faith and love towards his brethren, he sold a field he owned and gave the proceeds to the apostles for distribution at their discretion to those who were in need among the brethren. This gesture of kindness was a great source of encouragement to the believers and the apostles accordingly named him "Bar-nabas", which means "Son of encouragement". Before this he had been known only by his common name Joseph (Acts 4.36).

Here the author of the Gospel of Barnabas makes his first serious blunder for he suggests throughout his book, not only that Barnabas was actually one of the twelve disciples of Jesus during his ministry on earth, but also that he was known by this name "Barnabas" throughout that period of ministry. On more than one occasion in the book we find that Jesus allegedly addressed him by name and the first occasion, which comes particularly early in the book, is this one:

Jesus answered: 'Be not sore grieved, Barnabas; for those whom God hath chosen before the creation of the world shall not perish' (The Gospel of Barnabas, p.21).
Now we have here a patent anachronism which destroys the possibility that this book was really written by the Apostle Barnabas. The apostles only gave him the name "Barnabas" (Son of encouragement) after the ascension of Jesus because of the generous act he had done which had heartened the spirits of the early Christians. But the Gospel of Barnabas makes Jesus call him by this name some three years before he ascended to heaven. This is a serious - in our view fatal - objection to the claim that this book was written by the Apostle Barnabas.

As we press on in our study of the life of Barnabas, however, we find further proofs that destroy the claim that this book was really written by him. The next time he appears in the early events of the Church was on the occasion of Paul's first visit to all the apostles in Jerusalem. Because the apostles knew that Paul had in previous years been a relentless persecutor of the early Christians (primarily because they believed that Jesus was the Son of God!), the apostles and other Christians in Jerusalem doubted whether he really was now converted to their faith. It is indeed a revelation to discover, in the light of the vehement attacks made on Paul in the Gospel of Barnabas, just who it was who went to great pains to assure the brethren in Jerusalem that Paul was really a disciple:

But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared to them how on the road he had seen the Lord, who spoke to him, and how at Damascus he had preached boldly in the name of Jesus. Acts 9.27
We are now confronted with a second serious chain of evidence against the suggestion that Barnabas was the author of the "Gospel" attributed to him. Only seven verses earlier we read that when Paul engaged in public preaching in the synagogue of Damascus, "immediately he proclaimed Jesus, saying, 'He is the Son of God'." (Acts 9.20). When this same Paul came to Jerusalem, it was Barnabas who vigorously defended him as a true disciple of Jesus.

What a contrast we have here with the book we are considering where the author, supposedly Barnabas, takes Paul to task for the very fact that he was proclaiming that Jesus was the Son of God. The true Barnabas was the right-hand man of this very Paul who publicly taught that Jesus was indeed the Son of God. It is this same Barnabas who represented him at Jerusalem and who spared no effort in persuading the disciples there that Paul really was a disciple of Jesus.

Later on in this booklet we shall show that the Gospel of Barnabas was first written not earlier than fourteen centuries after Christ and that the author, whoever he was, simply chose to make Barnabas the alleged author of his obnoxious forgery. The men we referred to earlier, who have made much in-depth study into the origins and sources of the Gospel of Barnabas, have also tried to ascertain why the real author of this book chose to make Barnabas its supposed author. One or two plausible theories have been suggested, but to this day we have not been able to discover why he did this.

But one thing we do know - the actual author of the Gospel of Barnabas could not have made a worse choice for the "authorship" of his book than Barnabas. He has written this book ostensibly as a defence against "Pauline Christianity" (as some put it) and yet he has, probably without serious reflection, chosen as his author the one man we always find at the side of Paul - recommending him at all times as a true disciple of Jesus and endorsing his preaching wherever he went. To put it plainly, the author of the Gospel of Barnabas has chosen as the alleged author of the book he has composed against the teaching of Paul the very man who supported that teaching more actively than anyone else during his ministry. Barnabas was the spiritual blood-brother of Paul. Our real author has, in a second awful manner, made another calamitous blunder by suggesting that the Apostle Barnabas - of all people! - was the author of the fraudulent "Gospel" he has composed.

As we go further into the life of Barnabas this fact comes out even more clearly. When the church in Jerusalem heard that the church in Antioch was growing well, the apostles decided to send Barnabas there to take over the teaching and instruction of the new believers. But Barnabas, of his own volition, decided that he could not handle this by himself, and decided to obtain the assistance of another fellow-believer well-grounded in the faith for this work. Without hesitation Barnabas went all the way to Tarsus in Asia Minor to find Paul and immediately he brought him to Antioch to assist him in the instruction of the church in the city. We read the following of their ministry:

For a whole year they met with the church, and taught a large company of people; and in Antioch the disciples were for the first time called Christians. Acts 11.26
Under the joint ministry of Paul and Barnabas, the disciples were first called Christians - because Barnabas was a true champion of the very "Pauline Christianity" that the Gospel of Barnabas sets out to refute. After this Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem with aid for the brethren because of a famine that was taking place in the days of the Roman emperor Claudius (Acts 11.28-30). After this Paul and Barnabas returned to Antioch (Acts 12.25). They continued to lead the church there and were subsequently sent out by the church to preach the Gospel in the provinces of Galatia (in what is part of Turkey as we know it today).

Wherever they went Paul and Barnabas preached that Jesus was the Son of God and that God had raised him from the dead (cf. Acts 13.33). And yet, the author of the Gospel of Barnabas would have us believe that Barnabas was an archenemy of Paul on these matters! We even find them both proclaiming that the restrictive ordinances of Judaism (e.g. circumcision) should not be forced upon the Gentiles and that they were unnecessary for salvation. A very interesting event in their joint ministry is recorded in these words:

But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brethren, 'Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved'. And when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders about this question. Acts 15.1-2
Certain Judaisers had come among the early Christians stating that circumcision was necessary for salvation. Who do we find debating hotly with them on this point? None other than Paul and Barnabas!

And yet, in the Gospel of Barnabas, we read that one of the "impious doctrines" that Paul was holding to was repudiation of circumcision. That he repudiated it as an essential element of salvation we will readily concede (Galatians 5. 2-6) - but his chief partner in this repudiation is none other than Barnabas! Once again the author has blundered in making Barnabas the author of his deplorable forgery.

Indeed, according to the Gospel of Barnabas, Jesus is alleged to have said to his disciples:

'Leave fear to him that hath not circumcised his foreskin, for he is deprived of paradise' (The Gospel of Barnabas, p.26).
Thus circumcision is an essential element and a prerequisite of salvation in the Gospel of Barnabas and the author obviously assents to this doctrine. But of the real Barnabas we read that he joined with Paul in furiously debating against the doctrine of the Judaisers that circumcision was necessary for salvation. It is quite clear that the real Barnabas was not the author of the book that bears his name and that someone else not only forged this book but misrepresented the name of its author as well.

The current publishers of the Gospel of Barnabas (Begum Aisha Bawany Wakf) are well aware that the major objective of the Gospel of Barnabas is to counteract "Pauline Christianity". In an appendix entitled "Life and Message of Barnabas" they allege that the passage about the debate on the issue of circumcision reveals a growing rift between Paul and Barnabas. They quote Acts 15.2 (quoted above) and shamelessly comment: "After this rift, there was a parting of the ways" between Paul and Barnabas (The Gospel of Barnabas, p.279). But it is quite obvious that the rift was not between Paul and Barnabas on the issue but between the men from Judea on the one hand who were glorifying circumcision and Paul and Barnabas on the other who were furiously against perverting the freedom of the religion of Jesus with legalistic traditions and restrictions that could save nobody. Because this appendix appears in all editions of the Gospel of Barnabas published today we must say that the whole article is a brazen misrepresentation of the true relationship between Paul and Barnabas. The writer of the article has had to disown conscience in trying to force the theory of the Gospel of Barnabas that Paul and Barnabas disagreed on doctrinal matters.

At no stage is there any evidence that Paul and Barnabas ever disagreed on a matter of doctrine. They once had a minor personal dispute when Paul did not wish to take John Mark on a missionary journey, as he had fallen back on a previous one, to the provinces of Galatia (Acts 15.38-40). This, however, was purely a personal matter which was clearly resolved as we see in other passages of Scripture (Colossians 4.10 and 2 Timothy 4.11). On one other occasion Barnabas was guilty of some religious discrimination with other Jewish Christians in Antioch when they would not eat with the Gentile Christians (Galatians 2.13). Paul censured this strongly but this was also not about a doctrinal matter but one of common fellowship between all Christians no matter what their background. None of these minor disputes had anything to do with the fundamental doctrines Paul and Barnabas so rigidly promoted - the repudiation of circumcision as necessary for salvation, the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and the basic doctrine that Jesus is the Son of God. Rather we have extensive evidence that Barnabas was the prime vindicator of all these doctrines that Paul taught.

Paul's later letter to the Christians of Galatia helps us even more to perceive the truth of this fact. In the second chapter we read that Paul went up to Jerusalem - with Barnabas of course - taking Titus, an uncircumcised Greek, with him as a test case against the necessity of circumcision (Galatians 2.1). But Titus, however, was not compelled to be circumcised - obviously as a result of the persuasive arguments of Paul and Barnabas against circumcision as an essential element of salvation.

Not only did the apostles at Jerusalem agree with Paul and Barnabas that circumcision was unnecessary but, as Paul said, they "gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship" (Galatians 2.9). Once again the sympathy and unity of Barnabas with Paul is plainly revealed and it is obvious that in the early church, whenever the Christians at Jerusalem thought of Barnabas, they must have immediately associated him with Paul.

In the third chapter of Galatians we have further evidence that Barnabas was a Christian in every way and not one who was opposed to Christianity as the author of the Gospel of Barnabas is. Paul, aggrieved that the Galatians were considering such a trivial matter as circumcision as essential for salvation, openly censured them for losing sight of the wondrous and all-sufficient work of Jesus who alone made salvation a reality for men through his atoning death on the cross. He rebuked them in the following words which show quite plainly what the heart of his message to them was:

O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? Galatians 3.1
We must ask: by whom was Jesus Christ "publicly portrayed as crucified" before the eyes of the Galatians? Who first preached to them the Gospel of Jesus? No one else but Paul and Barnabas! So from this letter we have further concrete evidence that Barnabas was a champion of the Gospel which Paul preached. Certainly he was not only an apostle of true Christian persuasion, but in his quest for Christian fellowship chose Paul as his closest companion. Of all people the Apostle Barnabas could not be the author of the Gospel attributed to him!

The transparent unity in the mission and purpose of Paul and Barnabas is finally made even yet clearer by this brief summary of their activities together:

"Devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who spoke to them and urged them to continue in the grace of God (Acts 13.43) , Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly (13.46) , the Jews stirred up persecution against Paul and Barnabas (13.50) , Paul went on with Barnabas to Derbe (14. 20) , Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them (15.2) , and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles (15.12) , then it seemed good to the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas (15.22) , our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ (15.26) , Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord (15.35)"

There is such a contrast between the real Barnabas who through all these events chooses Paul as his companion, and the pseudo-author of the Gospel of Barnabas, who has a positive antagonism to Paul and his teaching, that we cannot help but conclude that the Gospel of Barnabas is a forgery. It was not written by Barnabas but by someone else who made a major tactical blunder in choosing a close companion of Paul as the author of this book.

Two points from within the Gospel of Barnabas also show that the author could not be the real Apostle Barnabas. Firstly, this book makes Jesus constantly deny that he is the Messiah (further treatment of this subject follows later in this booklet) and yet the same book calls Jesus himself the "Christ" (p.2). Now any man with a basic knowledge of Greek knows that "Christos" is the Greek translation of Messiah (a Hebrew word) and that "Jesus Christ" is an anglicised form of the Greek "Iesous Christos", meaning "Jesus the Messiah". The very real contradiction that exists here in the Gospel of Barnabas is further evidence that the author was not Barnabas himself. He came from Cyprus, an island where Greek was the common tongue, and Greek would have been his home language. The real Barnabas would never have made such a mistake as to call Jesus the Christ and deny that he was the Messiah!

Secondly, the author of the Gospel of Barnabas has chosen to know nothing of the ministry of John the Baptist in his book but has deviously taken the testimony of John to Jesus in the Bible and changed it into a supposed testimony of Jesus to Muhammad. Whether Jesus ever predicted the coming of Muhammad or not is not at issue here (see Is Muhammad Foretold in the Bible?, No.5 in this series, for a treatment of that subject). What is obvious, however, to anyone who has read the life of Jesus in the Bible, is that the author of the Gospel of Barnabas has tried to make Jesus a herald of the coming of Muhammad in the very mould of John the Baptist who was a herald of the coming of Jesus, and to achieve this he has put Jesus in the shoes of John and has made him say of Muhammad what John really said of him!

Accordingly the author of the Gospel of Barnabas has had to omit the person and ministry of John from his book altogether. But the clear and consistent account of John's ministry in the Bible (see particularly Matthew chapter 3, John chapters 1 and 3) and the plain endorsement in the Qur'an of the ministry of John the Baptist as a herald of Jesus (Surah 3.39) both expose the deceitfulness of the author of the Gospel of Barnabas. It is certain that the real Barnabas, who was a "good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith" (Acts 11.24), would never have resorted to such falsehood in the cause of truth to which he was so dedicated throughout his life.

We conclude that there is overwhelming evidence that the real Barnabas was most certainly not the author of the book being circulated today in the Muslim world which purports to be written by him. But now let us press on to a brief examination of the internal evidence of the Gospel of Barnabas to see whether it has any credibility at all, or whether it is not really a "bare-faced forgery", as George Sale put it, that has been unwittingly distributed throughout the Islamic world in the service of Satan and his causes alone

[s][/s]Gentlemen enof evidence abound to prove thie fake book is[i][/i]fake

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Too many books were dismissed by the church because they do not meet their developed idea of Jesus. That is why we have only 4 books out of literally hundreds that existed.

I have read a translated copy of the gospel of Barnabas and i do not agree with many things, but if the manuscript found is dated to a time before the prophet; then it is christians that have to answer question. How did it mention the name of the prophet so clearly even though it was before him.

If it is not before the prophet, christians can come up with theories to explain it.

Whether it was written by barnabas or not::

There is significant controversy about the authorship of mathew, mark, Luke and John. We know it wasn't the companions of Jesus.


So I think the most important point is to have a timeline for the manuscript,  If it comes before the prophet like the turks claim it does,  Then it is  difficult to explain it away.

lilliesonwater:

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ur mumu is second to none.

Are You Trying To Post A Letter ??, Big Mumu

LagosShia:

[b]Wallahi,if i were a christian,i would be ashame to read all the comments here on this thread which are a mixture of lies,ignorance and blind religious zeal.

for God's sake,many keep saying the found artifact was written in "ARABIC".obviously,they dont know the difference between ARABIC and ARAMAIC,that is the language Jesus spoke in.

just in case the christians here are too scared and $hitting literally in their pants,let me help restate the points that are of interest in this find:

1.) the find is dated before the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (sa).so it could not have been muslims who "forged" it.

2.) the book is written in ARAMAIC and not arabic.

3.) the book is found in Turkey.and for those doubting the location of Turkey,they should know that the word "christian" was first uttered in Antioch which is in modern day Turkey.

4.) other copies of the "gospel of barnabas" attributed as "muslim forgery" by christians denying what Jesus predicted found elsewhere are not as ancient as this new found.

so dear christians,deal with the reality and swallow your arrogance and fanaticism.
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Still looking for gospels to help Muhammad are ya

2. Evidence of its Medieval Origin
We find much evidence in the Gospel of Barnabas that it was first written in the Middle Ages - many centuries after the times of Jesus and Muhammad.

a). The Centenary Jubilee.

In the time of Moses God ordained that the Jews were to observe a jubilee year twice a century:

A jubilee shall that fiftieth year be to you. Leviticus 25.11
Throughout the centuries this command was observed and the Roman Catholic Church eventually took it over into the Christian faith. About 1300 AD Pope Boniface the Eighth gave a decree that the jubilee should be observed once every hundred years. This is the only occasion in all history that the jubilee year was made to be only once every hundred years. After the death of Boniface, however, Pope Clemens the Sixth decreed in 1343 AD that the jubilee year should revert to once every fifty years as it was observed by the Jews after the time of Moses. Now we find in the Gospel of Barnabas that Jesus is alleged to have said:

'And then through all the world will God be worshipped, and mercy received, insomuch that the year of jubilee, which now cometh every hundred years, shall by the Messiah be reduced to every year in every place.' (The Gospel of Barnabas, p.104).
Only one solution can account for this remarkable coincidence. The author of the Gospel of Barnabas could only have quoted Jesus as speaking of the year of jubilee as coming "every hundred years" if he knew of the decree of Pope Boniface. But how could he know of this decree unless he lived at the same time as the Pope or sometime afterwards? This is a clear anachronism which compels us to conclude that the Gospel of Barnabas could not have been written earlier than the fourteenth century AD.

This also means that the Gospel of Barnabas dates at least seven hundred years after the time of Muhammad and it is in the circumstances of no historical value at all. Although it often makes Jesus predict the coming of Muhammad by name (which is why it is a best-seller in the world of Islam today), as it was written after the death of Muhammad, these "prophecies" are of no interest or value at all. Indeed the Gospel of Barnabas contains many discourses and practices fully synonymous with the basic teachings of Islam - but these too are of no value because the book was written at least seven hundred years after the advent of Islam.

Prophecies that are first composed centuries after the event they foretell has come to pass are of no more interest or value than yesterday's weather forecast. We conclude, from the striking quote about the jubilee year, that the author of the Gospel of Barnabas wrote his book not earlier than the fourteenth century after Christ. Let us press on to examine further evidence of mediaeval features.

b). Quotations from Dante.

Dante was an Italian who, significantly, also lived about the time of Pope Boniface and wrote his famous "Divina Comedia" in the fourteenth century. This was basically a fantasy about hell, purgatory and paradise according to the Roman Catholic beliefs of his times.

Now in the Gospel of Barnabas we read that Jesus allegedly said of the prophets of old:

'Readily and with gladness they went to their death, so as not to offend against the law of God given by Moses his servant, and go and serve false and lying gods'. (Gospel of Barnabas, p.27).
The expression "false and lying gods" (dei falsi e lugiardi) is found elsewhere in the Gospel of Barnabas as well. On one occasion it is Jesus again who supposedly uses these words (p.99) and on another it is the author himself who describes Herod as serving "false and lying gods" (p.267). Nevertheless this expression is found in neither the Bible nor the Qur'an. What is interesting, however, is that it is a direct quote from Dante! (Inferno 1.72). Many of the descriptions of hell in the Gospel of Barnabas (pp. 76-77) are reminiscent of those in the third canto of Dante's Inferno as well.

Likewise the expression "raging hunger" (rabbiosa fame) is also reminiscent of the first canto of Dante's Inferno. Both speak of the "circles of hell" and the author of the Gospel of Barnabas also makes Jesus say to Peter:

'Know ye therefore that hell is one, yet hath seven centres one below another. Hence, even as sin is of seven kinds, for as seven gates of hell hath Satan generated it: so there are seven punishments therein'. (The Gospel of Barnabas, p.171).
This is precisely Dante's description found in the fifth and sixth cantos of his Inferno. We could go on and quote many more examples but space here demands that we press on to other evidences that the Gospel of Barnabas was written in the Middle Ages. One striking quote must be mentioned, however, because in this case the Gospel of Barnabas agrees with Dante while contradicting the Qur'an. We read in the Qur'an that there are seven heavens:

He it is who created for you all that is in the earth. Then turned He to the heaven, and fashioned it as seven heavens. Surah 2.29
On the contrary we read in the Gospel of Barnabas that there are nine heavens and that Paradise like Dante's Empyrean - is the tenth heaven above all the other nine. The author of the Gospel of Barnabas makes Jesus say:

'Paradise is so great that no man can measure it. Verily I say unto thee that the heavens are nine , I say to thee that paradise is greater than all the earth and all the heavens together'. (The Gospel of Barnabas, p.223).
Clearly the author of the Gospel of Barnabas knew Dante's work and had no scruples to quote from it. Accordingly we have further evidence that the Gospel of Barnabas could not have been written earlier than the fourteenth century - hundreds of years after the times of Jesus and Muhammad. It is accordingly a worthless forgery which should be disowned as such by every Muslim who believes in his heart that no lie can be of the truth.


[i][/i]very obvious

Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani

What language is this ,can anyone help and what does it mean.

I think ONE thing the Jews and Muslims agree on is there is ONE god NOT three

As for my people,Yoruba,kai we get aam flenty,flenty and I like am

The More the Merrier!

Any time any person vel me for NL I fit send Ogun,Soponna or Sango to MEND am!

expect more of such fake signs and lying wonders

Muslims are getting desperate for real. Jesus claims not to be the messiah? What a weak attempt at sounding genuine, it is a shame.

interesting but illogical.

If Jesus as widely disputed  by Muslims is not the Son of God or the Way the Truth and the Life,

then
         he is an untruthful person,

if he is an untruthful person

then
      why believe any of his predictions,

If Jesus is not an untruthful person as widely disputed by Muslims  and this message is authentic then he is the Son of God and is the Way, the Truth and the Life and Prophet Muhammad is in deed a prophet and Jesus remains as the only way to God,

My advise is to not try to support one religion with evidence from another,

That Logic does not work because he did not write any book Jesus. Everything we know about him is second hand

Truth is most so called Chritians have never asked the question

WHO WROTE THE BIBLE's different books and who compiled them.
Fortunately the answers are out there. There is no secret.

Saint Paul as he is now called NEVER claimed that his letters were intended to be Scripture !WHO made that decision and how?
Spending 2-3 hours researching this subject will convince you it certainly is NOT the word of God any more than the Nigerian National Anthem or Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart

ridgeman:

interesting but illogical.


My advise is to not try to support one religion with evidence from another,

But that is exactly what Muslims do,  first of all they plagiarised and twisted some bible stories, then they plagiarised gnostic gospels like that of Barnabas and still they will not leave us alone, they are still looking for anything that has a Christian bias to try and help validate that Muhammad is a true prophet. Shocking !!!

I have not seen 1 Christian quote the Quran to help Jesus Christ.