Onlytruth: To all other readers.

We DO NOT believe in the superiority of Igbo over any other tribe in Nigeria.
We simply believe in equal opportunity, justice, peace and progress.
The near lack of the above, and the "victor" mentality is part of the greatest problem facing Nigeria.
Without justice, there is NO WAY NIGERIA CAN SURVIVE.
Simple truth.

So, please ignore those who hate themselves and somehow can't admit it in public.
That I want peace and progress for MY PEOPLE does not mean I hate others.

odumchi: This is the reason why we should be conducting things like this in the Igbo language. It would save us all of this hapless confusion.

Kedu ka ihe a si agbasa ndi awụghi ndi Igbo? Unu na atụpụkwara ha onu make otụtụ ha chọrọ iseda anyi. Ihe a dum bucha ihe na adachi oganiru.

Ihe mbu m chọrọ igwa unu bu ka anyi were ya nwayọ na ebe ndi ife nọ. Anyi ekwesighi iga alusi ha ọgu ma obukwan ikọ ha onu maka ihe a dum na emebi ọdidi anyi na iru ndi nmadu. Anyi achọghi ka ndi ife lee anyi anya si na anyi di iberibe. Unu biko jiri ya nwayọ hapu ha aka ka ha kwuọ ihe ọbula ha chọrọ.

E kwuo mu ọgwu.

odumchi: This is the reason why we should be conducting things like this in the Igbo language. It would save us all of this hapless confusion.

seun:

1. Nairaland is an English language forum. [/b]English happens to be our official language in Nigeria. it also happens to be the language of the web. [b]Please make every effort to use clear English at all times.

odumchi: The thing that baffles me is why this why we are wasting time and energy attemtping to combat individuals who are evidently seeking our ruin.

Seriously, when did this place become an open market for uninvolved people to openly come and field their opinions and input? This place is an Eze Ndi Igbo Parliamentary Office (as the title clearly says) and is meant as a place where the Igbo congregate to discuss issues and seek solutions aided by the use of the Igbo language.

I didn't see any invitations for advisors or critics, so why then are we wasting our time abusing others, arguing over apologies, and fueling the flames of the destruction of the integrity of this place?

In furtherance of the objective of strengthening the bonds between brothers, and re-positioning our unique ethnic group in the midst of the chaotic scenes from the larger Nigeria, a cultural rebirth and awareness is imperative.

This Office -Eze Ndi Igbo NL Parliamentary Office - is therefore set-up for Ndi Igbo, her friends, and allies to suggest ways and manners we can advance our political and economic relationship for mutual benefits.

jason123:

That is a lie and you know it!
We all know what you stand for on this forum!

People like you are what we call "Ndi ogba ka o data ego" - translated (because I can almost be certain that you cannot read Igbo ) it means those who would throw their clans, families and friends under the bus just to win the approval of others, or to appear "fair minded". If you were a man, you would be called something much worse (like efulefu, lol).

BlackPikiN:



Are you freaking outta your mind.

In Nigeria I repeat it is only the Igbo that have their women in elective and sensitive posts.

If I lie, bring your own make I see am.

I repeat it is only the SE women in Nigeria that have continuously fought their to the top without fear and intimidation in the midst of strong willed men.

Again if I lie, state your own facts.




Eze Onlytruth, Point B, ACM10 and the rest, una suppose apologize to Ogugua, she got a say too.

If there's any strong young Igbo lady, I repeat Ogugua bu Ada eji agamba!
Quote mua anywhere.


Gbawe you be mumu as usual. Na to quote and write long nonsense na him dem go dey see you.

Nonsense nincompoop.

BlackPikiN:



Are you freaking outta your mind.

In Nigeria I repeat it is only the Igbo that have their women in elective and sensitive posts.

If I lie, bring your own make I see am.

I repeat it is only the SE women in Nigeria that have continuously fought their to the top without fear and intimidation in the midst of strong willed men.

Again if I lie, state your own facts.




Eze Onlytruth, Point B, ACM10 and the rest, una suppose apologize to Ogugua, she got a say too.

If there's any strong young Igbo lady, I repeat Ogugua bu Ada eji agamba!
Quote mua anywhere.


Gbawe you be mumu as usual. Na to quote and write long nonsense na him dem go dey see you.

Nonsense nincompoop.

odumchi: The thing that baffles me is why this why we are wasting time and energy attemtping to combat individuals who are evidently seeking our ruin.

bayooooooo:
You need to change this mentality that the world is against you. You need to build bridges. Stop propogating heatred.

BlackPikiN:



Are you freaking outta your mind.

In Nigeria I repeat it is only the Igbo that have their women in elective and sensitive posts.

If I lie, bring your own make I see am.

I repeat it is only the SE women in Nigeria that have continuously fought their to the top without fear and intimidation in the midst of strong willed men.

Again if I lie, state your own facts.




Eze Onlytruth, Point B, ACM10 and the rest, una suppose apologize to Ogugua, she got a say too.

If there's any strong young Igbo lady, I repeat Ogugua bu Ada eji agamba!
Quote mua anywhere.


Gbawe you be mumu as usual. Na to quote and write long nonsense na him dem go dey see you.

Nonsense nincompoop.

bayooooooo:

That sounds primitive. You have to invent a new language for that as some of us still understand Igbo.

odumchi: The thing that baffles me is why this why we are wasting time and energy attemtping to combat individuals who are evidently seeking our ruin.

Seriously, when did this place become an open market for uninvolved people to openly come and field their opinions and input? This place is an Eze Ndi Igbo Parliamentary Office (as the title clearly says) and is meant as a place where the Igbo congregate to discuss issues and seek solutions aided by the use of the Igbo language.

I didn't see any invitations for advisors or critics, so why then are we wasting our time abusing others, arguing over apologies, and fueling the flames of the destruction of the integrity of this place?

PointB: Ogugua made her point clearly and passionately which I respect. I also made my point. I explained to her that we are doing exactly same thing she is doing in her Anambra Association in California. Only that she refused to understand.

She was not happy the SE did not participate in the fuel subsidy removal protest; but if only she had counted the number of states that did not participate, I am sure she would have realised that several states (if you like ethnic) group did not participate in it.

Ogugua does not like herd mentality, but he would rather Igbo follow others in a herd mentality way.

Blackpin, I realise she was contradicting herself a lot, and I couldn't continue with the conversation. So I quit.

I see nothing wrong is my exchanges with her. If she thinks otherwise let her state it.

Frankly, I think she got it all wrong. She could have simply email the Eze, and some of her concerns will be privately addressed. But the way and manner of her approach if you ask leaves much to be desired.

By the way don't let Ndu_chucks, and Gbawe confuse you. They are here to incite passion and score cheap points off Igbos as usual. Ogugua is one of us, passionate, and articulate. Whether we agree with all she said or not is a different ball game altogether.
Dalu Nwanne m

Gbawe:

I was wondering how long before we saw the usual tirade about everyone hating you and plotting your downfall. Some of you should get over yourselves and stop the unreasonable display of unsubstantiated paranoia and siege mentality that inversely seek to make other monsters . Most young folks I know are just concerned with getting the best out of life in this talent-driven modern era and have no time hating anyone. In fact it is news to most of them to come here and read that they automatically hate others from different ethnic groups.

Certainly, if you go around saying everyone hates you then you are inviting alienation and disdain upon yourselves.

odumchi:
You misunderstood what I said . No one is propogating any hatred; the fact that I'm here discussing this with you is detracting from the purpose of this thread and is therefore seeking the ruin of this thread. Here is the purpose of this thread as was stated in the first page:

"In furtherance of the objective of strengthening the bonds between brothers, and re-positioning our unique ethnic group in the midst of the chaotic scenes from the larger Nigeria, a cultural rebirth and awareness is imperative. This Office -Eze Ndi Igbo NL Parliamentary Office - is therefore set-up for Ndi Igbo, her friends, and allies to suggest ways and manners we can advance our political and economic relationship for mutual benefits."

Me discussing this with you isn't fulfilling any of those things stated above and is just mere derailment. I won't be discussing this with you any longer.

Gbawe:

Indeed. This is the same chap who once suggested that a Yoruba person can never get a job on merit if in direct competition with an Igbo man. If he has any decency in him he will confess that I indeed took him up on it and told him off about peddling the sort of hollow principles of sectional supremacy Hitler would have been proud of. He never sees individual ability, talent or opinions.

His mission is to move like-minded indoctrinated folks along in clannish herd mentality, paranoia and hatred of others. This is indeed what led to the obscene bullying of Ogugua88 seen here. I cringed when onlylies began it all on the first page only for others to be backing him slavishly and blindly with no decorum whatsoever or consideration for Ogugua88. They have probably succeeded to run her off this forum since they make it clear they deem her a "traitor" mainly for speaking up for joint Nigerian action by holders of the Nigerians Passport seeing their nation being destroyed.

Below is Onlylies at his intimidating and bullying best. Very ugly. He does everything but call her a fake Igbo simply because she will not join the mindless hatred and myopic blanket condemnation of fellow Nigerians from other ethnic groups.

Eze Ndi Igbo Parliamentary Office

PointB:

Ogugua made her point clearly and passionately which I respect. I also made my point. I explained to her that we are doing exactly same thing she is doing in her Anambra Association in California. Only that she refused to understand.

She was not happy the SE did not participate in the fuel subsidy removal protest; but if only she had counted the number of states that did not participate, I am sure she would have realised that several states (if you like ethnic) group did not participate in it.

Ogugua does not like herd mentality, but he would rather Igbo follow others in a herd mentality way.

Blackpin, I realise she was contradicting herself a lot, and I couldn't continue with the conversation. So I quit.

I see nothing wrong is my exchanges with her. If she thinks otherwise let her state it.

Frankly, I think she got it all wrong. She could have simply email the Eze, and some of her concerns will be privately addressed. But the way and manner of her approach if you ask leaves much to be desired.

By the way don't let Ndu_chucks, and Gbawe confuse you. They are here to incite passion and score cheap points off Igbos as usual. Ogugua is one of us, passionate, and articulate. Whether we agree with all she said or not is a different ball game altogether.
Dalu Nwanne m

tpia@:
onlytruth and FACE

I totally understand your stand on this thread, but at the same time i have to point out your approach to ogugua could be better.

I'm not particularly close to her and I'm just as surprised by her approval of my post as anyone else (just so you dont think that's why I'm typing this), but i think you were a little too over the top in the way you responded to her presence here.

I'm aware in the general cultural setting, only "verified" and "vetted" members are allowed to participate in meetings such as the one you called for with this thread, which is to say anyone considered an "outsider" or who isnt approved of by the members of the particualr group, isnt expected to make any contribution when matters affecting the home area are being discussed.

However, the analogous "home area' in this instance in nairaland, a web based forum inculcating members from different walks of life and different regions. The hallmark of an effective leader is the ability to work with different and varying levels within his constituency. Some will even appoint people from the opposing faction, to work with them.

I can only summarize my points right now, so what I'm trying to say is, what would be expedient to do is not cut ogugua off because she has a viewpoint you dont approve of, but rather you should try to inculcate areas which you see as her strengths into your proposal (or cabinet for want of a better word), in a way that can be of benefit to what you stated in the opening post of this thread.

You can put her in charge of something- (media, networking, etc, whatever), instead of blocking her completely out and not listening to her opinion. She may be young but that doesnt mean she cant have something to say even if you disagree with it.

afam4eva: Hmmm

Yeske!:
^^^
Mechie onu!

ogugua88:

One would hope Nigeria, as a whole, would benefit, but I am doubtful. Biafra was created to solve the Igbo problem. Instead, we became bigger targets and were ganged upon until Ojukwu accepted defeat and Biafra was dissolved.

If you want my opinion, then I'll dictate it to you.

I have been reading this thread since it was formed and didn't post until today because of a post from Tpia, where tpia mentioned taking up a more widespread cause, with which I agree.

Some feel that Igbos should be the only ones putting their heads together to tackle lack of accountability, peace, and justice. If there was a perfect time to engage other Nigerians in fighting against corruption, injustice, and Boko Haram, that time is now. Nigerians are effected by all three of these things. Igbos are targets of Boko Haram, but other groups are victimized as well. Rather than retreat to our region and focus on ourselves, Igbos should be reaching out to others. Now.

My biggest fear is history repeating itself, and as of now, we seem to be on that track. The formations of Biafra and Ndi Igbo exclusive groups only exacerbates my fears. A very silly example, but I'll give it. My father attends events within the Nigerian community here. As in, every event that comes his way, he tries his best to be there or I'll go in his place, be it Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, or whichever else. What he's told me since I was young is "if you attend no one's function, don't expect anyone to attend your own". This is why I was livid when OnlyTruth and others were defending Igbos and their lack of participation during the protests in January. One of the downfalls of many Nigerians is the "do me I do you" mentality. As Igbos were noticeably absent, others will bear that in mind, especially if Igbos ever find themselves in trouble and in need of assistance or resources.
Some Igbos will be defiant or stubborn and tell you that they don't need other Nigerians helping them. If I read well, Biafrans fought for Biafra alone and were severely outnumbered in terms of soldiers and weaponry. This is life, not a Hollywood film like "300". Passion does not win wars. Outdoing the opposition does, and allies would help. Igbos share a commonality with most Nigerians in that many of us are angry that after 13 years of democratic rule, we have nothing to show for it.

Boko Haram is in Aso Rock and some of those in office fail to see the bombings as criminal, so reaching out to the Nigerian FG is out of the question. The only option I find logical is reaching out to other Nigerians. We all want justice, accountability, and peace. That's easy. How do we get there? This is why I suggested tending to "Nigerian issues" and reaching out to other groups. Therefore, if the time ever comes for Boko Haram and the FG to attack the Eastern region just like others have done before, we will not be alone this time.

The Kano protests were eye-openers and a great example as to how far Nigerians have come. Christians and Muslims held hands and protested. They even formed a peace covenant. When Muslims were praying, Christians stood outside the mosques and protected them. When Christians prayed, Muslims stood outside churches and protected them. I won't forget that, and other Nigerians shouldn't either. We are all tired of being angry at government and angry from being tired of waiting on government to change. If Senators from north, south, east, and west can unite against same-sex marriage, then Nigerians from north, south, east, and west can unite against corruption, injustice, and violence.

Kilode?!:


I applaud your well nuanced sense of justice, fairness and foresight. You demonstrated it exceedingly well in this post.

It is very heartwarming to read indeed.

I must say though that the obvious fears expressed by many of those on the other side of this discussion is understandable, considering the history of this country. Not everyone can rise easily above their fears and pursue a larger broader goal like you expressed here. We will need to continue to be our brothers keepers as we struggle to help our people see the bigger picture.

Again, what you wrote her in a few words is simply a gem ogugua. Well done sis.