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Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by andrewza: 9:49am On Jul 24, 2012 |
cheikh: andrewza firstly i am not a Afrikaner i dislike them actually, i find them rude and they blame every body but themselves for all the mistakes. Where the zim settlers where mostly english speaking.Hence the big deiffrense. Has i said before i joined the navy after all the bad stuff but i can give my thought on the matter. The youth uprising where never a real threat All so yes they where youth uprising and had next to nothing with the MK Has for a Australian talking about how we treated the locals he should look at his home first to see how we could have done it even worse.. |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Nobody: 10:37am On Aug 12, 2012 |
^How did you come to be on a Nigerian forum? Just wondering |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Nobody: 10:44am On Aug 12, 2012 |
It is amazing how white people suddenly have concerns for Africans' plight and lives when it suits them, to use it to demonise an African hero. andrewza: 1 Like |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by andrewza: 12:36pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
GenBuhari: ^How did you come to be on a Nigerian forum? Why you talking about my country on your forum. I came here because there are a threads about south africa I generally stay out of your threads that are dealing with internal matters. |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Nobody: 12:44pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
^ Ok. I was just wondering. |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by andrewza: 12:46pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
GenBuhari: I did not demonise a african hero a showed you the true nature of a man. And it has nothing to with skin color and more to do with distance and geopolitics. Most whites don't care about Africa because it dose not effect them. Since I am a south african what happens in Africa effects me a great deal. |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Kenyaphilia: 12:41am On Aug 13, 2012 |
Nwa_Nimo: . . . I think Mugabe is ten times Mandela.Mugabe is definitely greater..Mandela was hijacked by the West and they made a hero out of him as long as he gave them what they wanted...if you haven't seen, whites(within and without South Africa) worship Mandela and they do it for a reason..give me Mugabe any time. But I must add that Mandela could not have played another role other than that of a puppet to South Africa's real masters...at the time of his release, white South Africans controlled pretty much everything and had the best intelligence and military in Africa....I think radically removing white South Africans from their iron grip of South African economy is impossible. Black economic empowerment is also one of the most stupid policies ever conceived...South African economy can be won back through state control and entrepreneurship...the government needs to take over keys sectors like mining, and then they need to invite entrepreneurs from Kenya and Nigeria to help them wrestle the economy back from white grip...just my 2 cents |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Sunofgod(m): 9:11pm On Aug 24, 2012 |
Mugabe introduced an 'indigenization' policy. No mining company can operate without 51% of the company owned by indigenous people. You will never see police mowing down miners in Zimbsbwe - becuase the people own shares in the companies they work for. Compared to South Africa - where after apathied the 'whites' were left with everything they had stolen - including the best lands and mines. Mandela helped cause these prooblems for his people - they are still treated as second class citizens on their land. 1 Like |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Sunofgod(m): 9:12pm On Aug 24, 2012 |
Kenyaphilia: Very correct, |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Nobody: 9:35pm On Aug 24, 2012 |
I started losing respect for Mandela when he divorced his wife within months of his release from prison. A woman who waited 27 years for him. secondly when I realised his personal assisstant was white 1 Like |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Sunofgod(m): 9:46pm On Aug 24, 2012 |
GenBuhari: I started losing respect for Mandela when he divorced his wife within months of his release from prison. A woman who waited 27 years for him. I dont think it was within months of his release - because I met both of them when they came to Nigeria after he was released. I actually shook both their hands and exchanged some words with them when they visited - Anambra.(before the state was divided into Anambra and Enugu states) I think they divorced because 'Winnie' was still a radical and 'Nelson' had turned soft. I'd suspect his personal assistant was/is a spy assigned to keep an eye on him and report to his 'masters' on his utterances. |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by igbo2011(m): 6:49am On Aug 25, 2012 |
Kenyaphilia: Apartheid still affects the Sblack south Africans. The Bantu education act only lets blacks finish primary school. So Nigerians and Kenyans coming would be good. But they cannot compare with white South Africans because we lack TECHNOLOGY!! Africans are smart but we are lacking technology that whites have had for hundreds of years. I have yet to see a train, plane, heavy load boat and other things with high technology made in black Africa (If you can prove me wrong please tell me). YES Nigeria makes buses and cars from Innoson but we need more than that. We need to trade technology with other countries so we can learn how to make our own things. We have great entrepreneurs but we need TECHNOLOGY! Do we even make our own weapons? If America stops giving us guns how would we protect ourselves? Do we make body armor? Do we need helmets? We need to invest in research and development so we can innovate!! |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Nobody: 10:23am On Aug 25, 2012 |
You are right, he separated from his wife after just 2 years of being released, but divorce was finalised 4 years later. A wife that waited and fought for his release for 27 years, she even suffered all the arrest, harrassment brutality and hardship meted out on her for being his wife over those 27years. That was first thing that disppointed me about Mandela. However having said that, I still think he was played a big role in his peoples freedom from apartheid - nobody can take that away from him. Sun of god: |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by gabbidonbah(m): 3:14pm On Nov 23, 2012 |
nku5:u idiot , u're such a fool n empty bucket.. Abi... |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by faithin9ja: 9:30am On Nov 24, 2012 |
GenBuhari: I started losing respect for Mandela when he divorced his wife within months of his release from prison. A woman who waited 27 years for him. Apart from the fact it was over 2 years after his release, what about the affairs Winnie was having openly and the violence and murder her football supporters club was perpetrating against other black youth? |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by panafrican(m): 12:23am On Nov 25, 2012 |
GenBuhari: I started losing respect for Mandela when he divorced his wife within months of his release from prison. A woman who waited 27 years for him.! where are u from ? If you want to forcibly find reasons to hate Mandela do it openly. As a singer from Cameroon sang " if you have horns bear them openly ( in daylight,not at nightfall) ". [img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTxN3M8hrCwSr5NzGCgY5jno7TM4QWe8jufgRg0PnbyxLydW3HbsA[/img] This being said, one knows many people are upset for Mandela still being alive. U bunch of losers ! |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Nobody: 4:19am On Dec 02, 2012 |
Mugabe for showing that Africans will fight back and are not always to be toyed with but that is only physically. Mandela was greater because he conquered the masses mentally. His philosophy was more geared at 'this is south africa, love it or leave it - but we will do this the right way which is stress the importance of equal rights and justice'... Sure, Zimbabwe "was won" and Rhodesia fell but what is the end result? Because of his tactics, Mugabe's country is in shambles and many of his own people are risking their lives and would rather suffer xenophobic attacks in South African slums than Zim suburbs. But I still respect Mugabe for basically saying 'we won't take this sh--t anymore on our own soil' ...I'm just rambling really lol. |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Nobody: 10:04am On Dec 02, 2012 |
*Kails*: Where are u rambling my dear, in the jungle 1 Like |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Nobody: 3:22pm On Dec 02, 2012 |
snydergp: Lol...I was sleep typing. |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Nobody: 5:46pm On Dec 02, 2012 |
If I was in prison for 27 years , I would probably forgive my wife if she had an affair. In any case it was not proven and there was a lot of malicious propaganda to discredit her. faithin9ja: |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Mtumwa(m): 2:12pm On Jun 21, 2013 |
First of all, I respect Mandela as a humane, wise African leader. Reminder: for over 3 decades he was branded a 'terrorist' by the racist Apartheid regime (27 years in jail, 5+ years as a black activist in Soweto). Only when he said 'forgive them' was he branded 'hero'. Yet Mugabe, for me, is the greater leader coz the needs of the disempowered/victimised majority were met under his rule/leadership. Before land reforms he was knighted by Queen Elizabeth as one of Africa's greatest leaders. After land seizure he is now branded 'villain/dictator' etc. To be loved by the West a leader must put the colonisers b4 his own ppl, when he/she puts Africans first, automatically they're labelled 'irresponsible/vile'. Mugabe addressed social imbalances perpetrated by a racist colonial gvt which systematically empowered Europeans by impovereshing black folks. Only farmers who are white need complain bcoz those not farming are still welcome in Zim. Why shld poor blacks buy their stolen inheritence from descendents of plunderers who fraudulently acquired wealth from under their noses bcoz they held guns to a ppl who still used spears/bow/arrows? Now blacks in Zim can leave an inheritence for their children, a priviledge denied them by unjust policies n action done against them by colonists. During the 1900s both Mandela n Mugabe spoke, fought, lobbied and were imprisoned bcoz they fought for justice which the black majority were being denied. 27 yrs imprisonment for the Mandela & 10 years for Mugabe. 1980 Mugabe says "lets reconcile.. beat guns into ploughshears..let the white folks alone" so became a 'hero'. 1994 Mandela does the same and recieves same adoration. Come 2000 Mugabe says "until resources are controlled/co-owned by the black majority, liberation will not be complete..we fought for land yet the UK gvt defaulted in paying off white farmers, thus we will take back our land by force if need be.. 2 decades is long enough a waiting period to see the double standards of the West..etc" now the 'Knight' was relabelled 'Dictator'. To me Mandela is an icon of tolerance/humanity/ubuntu, Mugabe is an icon of justice/black liberation/black emancipation. The generations to come will speak highly of both, yet blacks in SA will stay poor in a rich country, while their agemates in Zim will inherit wealth so as to wax forward and be great. African resources abound, yet are in the hands of a few blue-eyed elite. We WANT leaders like Mandela, but we NEED leaders like Mugabe if Africa and Africans intend to be financially , psychologically and socially empowered and self-reliant. Political power alone is not enough. Whites run Europe/N America, Asians run Asia; why shouldn't Africans run Zim/Africa? In his song against Apartheid the ex-Wailer Peter Tosh sang "Africa is for black-munn, REMEMBER". until Africans rid ourselves of inferiority complex we can never stand with other races as EQUALS. Until resources in Africa benefit Africans liberation is incomplete, until the injustices of colonialism and slavery of Africans are addressed they will always be unrest in our motherland. Until Africa has 15 or 25 Mugabe's my people will stay underfed, poor, in civil wars, dependent and semi-literate while EU nations line their pockets with the wealth of Africa. Wake up my ppl and see the light. if we dont stand for something we will fall for anything. To conclude.. be humane but grow some balls, get a spine. Peace shouldnt be at any cost, justice is needed. Remember that black slaves remained peacefull in the West and were inhumanely and unjustly mistreated for 400yrs. Why cryout for peace/'stability' when justice is ignored. When the West sang praises for Mugabe we sang along; now they sing hate songs against him but i refuse to sing along. Don't let them fool us, nor 'school us' we have a functional mind of our own and we will use it.{Bob Marley - Could you be loved}. I respect and honour Mandela, but I would choose Mugabe over him anyday. 2 generations from now the truth will be plain for all to see. |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Rossikk(m): 2:39pm On Jun 21, 2013 |
odumorun 1: Interesting question from an enquiring mind that has refused to be colonised by the western media's love in with Nelson Mandela.God bless you a million times over. |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Nobody: 10:30pm On Jun 21, 2013 |
Kenyaphilia: Kenya and Nigeria... Ha ha ha, deluded muds, how about helping yourselves first, Both Nigeria and Kenya has foreigners helping them develop their economies, atleast white South Africans invest their money in SA. 1 Like |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by TheTruthHurts: 5:56am On Aug 11, 2013 |
After killing the white farmers it didn't take long for Mugabe to beg for food from the west, zimbabwe should be left to it's own demise. |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Rossikk(m): 8:24am On Aug 13, 2013 |
TheTruthHurts: After killing the white farmers it didn't take long for Mugabe to beg for food from the west, zimbabwe should be left to it's own demise. Mugabe begged for which food? You must be watching too much BBC. FYI, The land reforms have SUCCEEDED. Blacks are no longer slaves on their land. If you want to dash YOUR land in your village to a white guy, you're free to do so. Zimbabweans say NO. 3 Likes |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Nobody: 4:15am On Aug 15, 2013 |
Mugabe lead the way! |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by sambos994(m): 5:47am On Aug 15, 2013 |
I'd say Mugabe(before he screwed his economy into dust) did more than Mandela did. Mugabe fought in a war while Mandela sat in a prison for three decades. |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Kalvan: 10:31am On Sep 06, 2013 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajPJ9OD7OfQ If you still Support Mugabe after watching this, Then you're an INHUMAN BAST@RD!!! Mugabe is filth. I can't wait for him to Die. We'll dance till the Sun comes up! |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by Kalvan: 10:37am On Sep 06, 2013 |
Mugabe's Thugs attacked and hurt the innocent Farmers. The Man in the Video had to take a Loan to buy his Farm. A Loan that took him 20 years to pay!!! At the end, Mugabe's ZANU PF Thugs burnt down his Farm and also beat him, his Wife and his Son. Who beats up an elderly Man?! Savages! Savages! Savages! Savages! |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by mutambaneshango: 2:12pm On Dec 11, 2013 |
What is better than the other, day or night, salt or sugar, water or food? The Mugabe vs Mandela debate whilst it is insightful, may also turn out to be inciteful. Bith men a humongous political players, and like others before them, divide opinion. People point to the land reclamation as a land grab. If what Mugabe did was a land grab, what then did the europeans do to africa, asia and America? Land manufacture? They scrambled for africa, divided it, plundered it and pillaged at will, and men with courage to reverse that are labeled 'Savages'. Mugabe is no saint, but then who is? Obama? Clinton? The Bushes? Blair? Merkel? Mandela? Mandela was a great man, but so are many others before him and among his contemporaries |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by cap28: 10:11pm On Dec 11, 2013 |
Kalvan: Mugabe's Thugs attacked and hurt the innocent Farmers. The Man in the Video had to take a Loan to buy his Farm. A Loan that took him 20 years to pay!!! At the end, Mugabe's ZANU PF Thugs burnt down his Farm and also beat him, his Wife and his Son. Who beats up an elderly Man?! Savages! Savages! Savages! Savages!who steals land from its rightful owners,murders and rap.es them when they protest and perpetuates themselves in power to rule over these same people in their own land - savages! savages! savages! 1 Like |
Re: Who's Greater - Mugabe (Who Took His Peoples Land Back) Or Mandela (Who Didn't) by cap28: 11:54am On Dec 12, 2013 |
Kalvan: and you are filth for supporting the very people who enslaved your ancestors and continue to perpetrate mass genocide against africans. 3 Likes |
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