Mugabe for showing that Africans will fight back and are not always
to be toyed with but that is only physically.

Mandela was greater because he conquered the masses mentally. His philosophy was more geared at 'this is south africa, love it or leave it - but we will do this the right way which is stress the importance of equal rights and justice'...

Sure, Zimbabwe "was won" and Rhodesia fell but what is the end result? Because of his tactics, Mugabe's country is in shambles and many of his own people are risking their lives and would rather suffer xenophobic attacks in South African slums than Zim suburbs.

But I still respect Mugabe for basically saying 'we won't take this sh--t anymore on our own soil'

...I'm just rambling really lol.

Zimbabwe's current situation is not "the end result". It is still evolving. The country is already recovering following the failure of western sanctions, this time, with the land and resources more widely distributed to the population, who now have a stake in their country's assets and future. So Mugabe's polices have been a success viewed from a holistic perspective.

Mandela......no wait wait.....Mugabe.... no wait.. Mandela....


Oh hell both of them have good attributes. One was greater in a "sense" than the other and the other was "stronger".

In the long run, Mugabe's "strategy" might just pan out, we just have to wait and see.

The question one should ask is, presently can Zimbabwe survive without South Africa? I don't think so.

cap28:

and you are filth for supporting the very people who enslaved your ancestors and continue to perpetrate mass genocide against africans.

So 20 000 matebele citizens mass murdered by mugabe doesn't concern you? All of you mugabe lovers are generaly sadists and would probably commit the same atrocities if given power. Your hate and desire for revenge has clouded your vision, you hate the white man more than you love your own Africans. smh

osystein:

So 20 000 matebele citizens mass murdered by mugabe doesn't concern you? All of you mugabe lovers are generaly sadists and would probably commit the same atrocities if given power. Your hate and desire for revenge has clouded your vision, you hate the white man more than you love your own Africans. smh

And you're an even bigger sadist for refusing to acknowledge that the Europeans have killed much more than 20,000 Africans throughout the time they have been on the African continent. How many Africans were killed in ivory coast when the French invaded that country recently ? How many have been killed in DRC in the last ten years, all as a result of either direct intervention from the west or through their funding and training of militias in various parts of the continent.

cap28:

And you're an even bigger sadist for refusing to acknowledge that the Europeans have killed much more than 20,000 Africans throughout the time they have been on the African continent. How many Africans were killed in ivory coast when the French invaded that country recently ? How many have been killed in DRC in the last ten years, all as a result of either direct intervention from the west or through their funding and training of militias in various parts of the continent.

So all these atrocities by Europeans nullify the genocide against the matebele people? you people are really funny, why not equally condemn all atrocities against africans and stop worshiping mass murderers like mugabe? As I stated before, you hate white people more than you love your fellow Africans. With people like you, Africa will surely remain the dark continent.

osystein:

So all these atrocities by Europeans nullify the genocide against the matebele people? you people are really funny, why not equally condemn all atrocities against africans and stop worshiping mass murderers like mugabe? As I stated before, you hate white people more than you love your fellow Africans. With people like you, Africa will surely remain the dark continent.

That figure you have quoted is grossly exaggerated and even if Mugabe did indeed kill all those people how come Britain and America said nothing at the time? How come the only time they started jumping up and down was when he started returning stolen land back to its rightful owners. By the way Mugabe's alleged crimes pale into insignificance when placed alongside the atrocities committed by the US and Europe not just in Africa but all over the world. Did you know that the Herero and Namaqua people of Namibia were wiped out in the 1920s by the germans because they refused to give up their land? I wonder why you are not up in arms about that

Scramble for Africa



The Herero and Namaqua Genocide is considered to have been the first genocide of the 20th century.[1][2][3][4][5] It took place between 1904 and 1907 in German South-West Africa (modern day Namibia), during the Herero Wars.

On 12 January 1904, the Herero people, led by Samuel Maharero, rebelled against German colonial rule. In August, German general Lothar von Trotha defeated the Herero in the Battle of Waterberg and drove them into the desert of Omaheke, where most of them died of thirst. In October, the Nama people also rebelled against the Germans only to suffer a similar fate.

In total, from 24,000 up to 100,000 Herero and 10,000 Nama died.[6][7][8][9][10] The genocide was characterised by widespread death from starvation and thirst because the Herero who fled the violence were prevented from leaving the Namib Desert. Some sources also claim that the German colonial army systematically poisoned desert wells.[11][12]

In 1985, the United Nations' Whitaker Report classified the aftermath as an attempt to exterminate the Herero and Nama peoples of South-West Africa, and therefore one of the earliest attempts at genocide in the 20th century. The German government recognised and apologised for the events in 2004, but has ruled out financial compensation for the victims' descendants

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_Genocide

cap28:

That figure you have quoted is grossly exaggerated and even if Mugabe did indeed kill all those people how come Britain and America said nothing at the time? How come the only time they started jumping up and down was when he started returning stolen land back to its rightful owners. By the way Mugabe's alleged crimes pale into insignificance when placed alongside the atrocities committed by the US and Europe not just in Africa but all over the world. Did you know that the Herero and Namaqua people of Namibia were wiped out in the 1920s by the germans because they refused to give up their land? I wonder why you are not up in arms about that

Scramble for Africa



The Herero and Namaqua Genocide is considered to have been the first genocide of the 20th century.[1][2][3][4][5] It took place between 1904 and 1907 in German South-West Africa (modern day Namibia), during the Herero Wars.

On 12 January 1904, the Herero people, led by Samuel Maharero, rebelled against German colonial rule. In August, German general Lothar von Trotha defeated the Herero in the Battle of Waterberg and drove them into the desert of Omaheke, where most of them died of thirst. In October, the Nama people also rebelled against the Germans only to suffer a similar fate.

In total, from 24,000 up to 100,000 Herero and 10,000 Nama died.[6][7][8][9][10] The genocide was characterised by widespread death from starvation and thirst because the Herero who fled the violence were prevented from leaving the Namib Desert. Some sources also claim that the German colonial army systematically poisoned desert wells.[11][12]

In 1985, the United Nations' Whitaker Report classified the aftermath as an attempt to exterminate the Herero and Nama peoples of South-West Africa, and therefore one of the earliest attempts at genocide in the 20th century. The German government recognised and apologised for the events in 2004, but has ruled out financial compensation for the victims' descendants

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_Genocide

Anyway, you're a typical mugabe lover, too emotional and with little sense. You only love Mugabe because you feel he stood up to the west, you don't care much if at all about his many crimes. Western leaders don't give a damn that he "stood up" to them, the only people who suffered and continue to are africans. The rodesians were given free land in many African countries including Nigeria.

According to you, any African leader can kill as many of his people as he likes because of the many injustices committed by europeans? Africa will forever remain the dark continent, because of primitive minded people like cap28.

osystein:

Anyway, you're a typical mugabe lover, too emotional and with little sense. You only love Mugabe because you feel he stood up to the west, you don't care much if at all about his many crimes. Western leaders don't give a damn that he "stood up" to them, the only people who suffered and continue to are africans. The rodesians were given free land in many African countries including Nigeria.

According to you, any African leader can kill as many of his people as he likes because of the many injustices committed by europeans? Africa will forever remain the dark continent, because of primitive minded people like cap28.

And you are the one with plenty of sense? A person who can not analyse or reason properly, a person who doesn't look at root causes of problems and can not think for himself?

The only reason why Zimbabweans are suffering now is because of the economic sanctions imposed on the country by the United States and the EU - go and read up about ZIDERA a law passed by the US congress which effectively destroyed Zimbabwe's economy by denying them access to credit facilities. Credit facilities are what countries rely on in order to be able to conduct trade, the US's economy would tank overnight if they did not ha\ve access to credit facilities and yet the same US thinks its okay to deny a sovereign nation access to credit facilities simply because Mugabe decided to return stolen land back to its rightful owners. Mugabe's return of stolen farmland has absolutely nothing to do with the problems that Zimbabwe is experiencing with its economy and everything to do with the sanctions imposed on it by the US/EU.

Unlike you, I base my arguments on facts not ignorance - your whole argument is based on what the western media tell you but you haven't asked yourself whether they have a vested interest in telling you that Mugabe is a brutal dictator. These are the same people who have backed brutal dictators all over the world and still do till today eg Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Chile (under Pinochet) they also backed the murderous regimes of Pol Pot of Cambodia, Suharto of Indonesia, Mobutu of Zaire and are still backing the apartheid regime of Israel therefore their track record should tell you that they couldn't give a damn whether a country is run by a dictator or not, their number one concern is - will we be allowed to take their resources for next to nothing? if the answer is yes we don't give a damn about how he runs the country but if the answer is no then he's a brutal dictator who we need to get rid of.

You are so eager to jump to the defence of a people who historically have done nothing but oppress and destroy africans, that tells me a lot about the sort of person you are. Keep jumping on to the bandwagon of condemn Mugabe, these people that you defend are leaving no stone unturned to make your life a living hell.

cap28:

And you are the one with plenty of sense? A person who can not analyse or reason properly, a person who doesn't look at root causes of problems and can not think for himself?

The only reason why Zimbabweans are suffering now is because of the economic sanctions imposed on the country by the United States and the EU - go and read up about ZIDERA a law passed by the US congress which effectively destroyed Zimbabwe's economy by denying them access to credit facilities. Credit facilities are what countries rely on in order to be able to conduct trade, the US's economy would tank overnight if they did not ha\ve access to credit facilities and yet the same US thinks its okay to deny a sovereign nation access to credit facilities simply because Mugabe decided to return stolen land back to its rightful owners. Mugabe's return of stolen farmland has absolutely nothing to do with the problems that Zimbabwe is experiencing with its economy and everything to do with the sanctions imposed on it by the US/EU.

Unlike you, I base my arguments on facts not ignorance - your whole argument is based on what the western media tell you but you haven't asked yourself whether they have a vested interest in telling you that Mugabe is a brutal dictator. These are the same people who have backed brutal dictators all over the world and still do till today eg Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Chile (under Pinochet) they also backed the murderous regimes of Pol Pot of Cambodia, Suharto of Indonesia, Mobutu of Zaire and are still backing the apartheid regime of Israel therefore their track record should tell you that they couldn't give a damn whether a country is run by a dictator or not, their number one concern is - will we be allowed to take their resources for next to nothing? if the answer is yes we don't give a damn about how he runs the country but if the answer is no then he's a brutal dictator who we need to get rid of.

You are so eager to jump to the defence of a people who historically have done nothing but oppress and destroy africans, that tells me a lot about the sort of person you are. Keep jumping on to the bandwagon of condemn Mugabe, these people that you defend are leaving no stone unturned to make your life a living hell.

don't buy the Mugabe ZANU garbage Zimbabwe died way b4 sanctions ESAP and other fatal policies were applied by Mugabe....he inherited a full functional economy but destroyed it himself....check all the parastatals Dairy board, Zesa, NRZ,GMB.....list is long... yes these were all controlled by Mugabes cronies who looted them to bare bones....this was all b4 year 2000 ...google willogate scandal or GMB scandal..war vicitims compensation funds in zim...yes yo hero has appointed the same thieving cronies{by the way he is so corrupt himself his former personal banker is the same chap who presided over the world record inflation}...everyone close to Mugabe is rewarded and yes most of the farms were given to his loyals.... what has changed in Zimbabwe is the colour of the opresser....YES THIS IS NOT FROM CNN come down here in Bulawayo.....the chap(Mugabe) travels to far east for treatment he never uses derelict local hospitals(his policies again was responsible)....he killed the education system and his kids are in the far east and so are his cronies kids....like someone has told you come to Matabeleland and see if your Mugabe is regarded as such..lets stop glorifying evil deeds just because they have been done by a fellow African...if u get time try to find out how he got into power ZANU leadership... u will cringe by the way the ZANU chaps have changed history to suit them...yes right now a Mugabe crony in charge of their partisan mouth piece ZBC(national braodacasting corp) was earning a staggering $40,000 per month yet the rest of the employees have gone for 6 months without pay http://www.newzimbabwe.com/news-13433-Muchechetere+earned+US$27,000+at+ZBC/news.aspx ...he can do all this with Mugabe's blessing

sultan003: And where is zimbwabwe now in
terms of economy? What did mugabe achieve? One thing you dnt know is that whites(70%) control the economy of SA, without them SA will collaspe...

Na lie joor

osystein:

Anyway, you're a typical mugabe lover, too emotional and with little sense. You only love Mugabe because you feel he stood up to the west, you don't care much if at all about his many crimes. Western leaders don't give a damn that he "stood up" to them, the only people who suffered and continue to are africans. The rodesians were given free land in many African countries including Nigeria.

According to you, any African leader can kill as many of his people as he likes because of the many injustices committed by europeans? Africa will forever remain the dark continent, because of primitive minded people like cap28.

You remind me of the Nigerian man being interviewed in this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwlILzSt710&list=PLjTwVq1HexZCPECXDJDFSikLOSMQ-Bnqc

spokesJ:

don't buy the Mugabe ZANU garbage Zimbabwe died way b4 sanctions ESAP and other fatal policies were applied by Mugabe....he inherited a full functional economy but destroyed it himself....check all the parastatals Dairy board, Zesa, NRZ,GMB.....list is long... yes these were all controlled by Mugabes cronies who looted them to bare bones....this was all b4 year 2000 ...google willogate scandal or GMB scandal..war vicitims compensation funds in zim...yes yo hero has appointed the same thieving cronies{by the way he is so corrupt himself his former personal banker is the same chap who presided over the world record inflation}...everyone close to Mugabe is rewarded and yes most of the farms were given to his loyals.... what has changed in Zimbabwe is the colour of the opresser....YES THIS IS NOT FROM CNN come down here in Bulawayo.....the chap(Mugabe) travels to far east for treatment he never uses derelict local hospitals(his policies again was responsible)....he killed the education system and his kids are in the far east and so are his cronies kids....like someone has told you come to Matabeleland and see if your Mugabe is regarded as such..lets stop glorifying evil deeds just because they have been done by a fellow African...if u get time try to find out how he got into power ZANU leadership... u will cringe by the way the ZANU chaps have changed history to suit them...yes right now a Mugabe crony in charge of their partisan mouth piece ZBC(national braodacasting corp) was earning a staggering $40,000 per month yet the rest of the employees have gone for 6 months without pay http://www.newzimbabwe.com/news-13433-Muchechetere+earned+US$27,000+at+ZBC/news.aspx ...he can do all this with Mugabe's blessing

You got a good knowledge of Zimbabwe and everything you said here is just raw truth, i went to Zimbabwe before 2000 and was there when the whole economy crumbled and Mugabe single handedly master minded that, it got nothing to do with sanction, his land policy was a good one but carried-out horribly, white farmers holds Zimbabwe economy, they contribute and employ Zimbabweans far more than any other sector.

Mugabe used his thugs called the green boys and the war vets to kill and drive out white farmers and give those farms to his party members. These white farmers are Zimbabwean citizens, many born and grew up in Zimbabwe, is like Nigerians born in US or the UK, they run schools and hospitals within those farms, there are supper markets within those farms. After 1980 Mugabe allowed the integration and white farmers produce what Zimbabweans and indeed other countries eat, Zimbabwe is called basket food of Africa then.
They need no visa to visit the UK, they got the best education in Africa and very educated bunch of people.
Problem started the moment an opposition party called the MDC was formed and big majority of its members are white farmers and they got money and outside influence. Mugabe never wanted a challenge as he saw himself as Zimbabwe liberator, a war hero and Mandela of Zimbabwe.

Immediately he brought a new law removing dual citizenship, this means that white farmers have to chose whether to become Zimbabweans only or the UK, US, South African etc, to do that they have to denounce their citizenship of other countries and pledge allegiance to Zimbabwe.

Now this is the sticking point, election was approaching and to vote you need to be a Zimbabwean, meaning that those MDC members who are yet to pledge allegiance to Zimbabwe can not vote and the process of getting the form was made so difficult that very very few white farmers were able to complete the process before the election.

Mugabe destroyed Zimbabwe, he got rid of opponents by all means, by 2003 Zimbabwe was gone, i lived and studied in Zimbabwe for 4 bloody yrs and i'm not making things up here, i could write pages on Zimbabwe, there is no freedom of speech in Zimbabwe, the opposition can't use the national television for any of their program, no opposing newspaper apart from the govt mouth piece.

The currency was so useless they have to adopt US dollar as their currency.

Don't mind people supporting Mugabe here, non of them will live in Zimbabwe.

justwise: You got a good knowledge of Zimbabwe and everything you said here is just raw truth, i went to Zimbabwe before 2000 and was there when the whole economy crumbled and Mugabe single handedly master minded that, it got nothing to do with sanction, his land policy was a good one but carried-out horribly, white farmers holds Zimbabwe economy, they contribute and employ Zimbabweans far more than any other sector.

Mugabe used his thugs called the green boys and the war vets to kill and drive out white farmers and give those farms to his party members. These white farmers are Zimbabwean citizens, many born and grew up in Zimbabwe, is like Nigerians born in US or the UK, they run schools and hospitals within those farms, there are supper markets within those farms. After 1980 Mugabe allowed the integration and white farmers produce what Zimbabweans and indeed other countries eat, Zimbabwe is called basket food of Africa then.
They need no visa to visit the UK, they got the best education in Africa and very educated bunch of people.
Problem started the moment an opposition party called the MDC was formed and big majority of its members are white farmers and they got money and outside influence. Mugabe never wanted a challenge as he saw himself as Zimbabwe liberator, a war hero and Mandela of Zimbabwe.

Immediately he brought a new law removing dual citizenship, this means that white farmers have to chose whether to become Zimbabweans only or the UK, US, South African etc, to do that they have to denounce their citizenship of other countries and pledge allegiance to Zimbabwe.

Now this is the sticking point, election was approaching and to vote you need to be a Zimbabwean, meaning that those MDC members who are yet to pledge allegiance to Zimbabwe can not vote and the process of getting the form was made so difficult that very very few white farmers were able to complete the process before the election.

Mugabe destroyed Zimbabwe, he got rid of opponents by all means, by 2003 Zimbabwe was gone, i lived and studied in Zimbabwe for 4 bloody yrs and i'm not making things up here, i could write pages on Zimbabwe, there is no freedom of speech in Zimbabwe, the opposition can't use the national television for any of their program, no opposing newspaper apart from the govt mouth piece.

The currency was so useless they have to adopt US dollar as their currency.

Don't mind people supporting Mugabe here, non of them will live in Zimbabwe.

why would taking away farmland from farmers cause the economy of a country to collapse?

can you explain why the US/EU imposed ZIDERA on Zimbabwe?

The farm produce that you refer to was not being used to grow food to feed Zimbabweans but instead was being used to grow tobacco, flowers , tea and other cash crops FOR EXPORT which were enriching a handful of white Zimbabweans not black Zimbabweans GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT FOR A CHANGE!

I don't give a damn whether those white Zimbabweans have lived in Zimbabwe for hundreds of centuries, can you as a black man get a better job or access to better opportunities in life than a white man in Europe or America? Why should a white man in Zimbabwe own land in a country where the majority of blacks are poor and landless - does that make any sense to you?

any one who is telling you that those white farmers were feeding the Zimbabwean populace is a s.tupid and ignorant liar, get it into your skull that tea, flowers and tobacco do not equate to food.

cap28:

why would taking away farmland from farmers cause the economy of a country to collapse?

can you explain why the US/EU imposed ZIDERA on Zimbabwe?

The farm produce that you refer to was not being used to grow food to feed Zimbabweans but instead was being used to grow tobacco, flowers , tea and other cash crops FOR EXPORT which were enriching a handful of white Zimbabweans not black Zimbabweans GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT FOR A CHANGE!

I don't give a damn whether those white Zimbabweans have lived in Zimbabwe for hundreds of centuries, can you as a black man get a better job or access to better opportunities in life than a white man in Europe or America? Why should a white man in Zimbabwe own land in a country where the majority of blacks are poor and landless - does that make any sense to you?

any one who is telling you that those white farmers were feeding the Zimbabwean populace is a s.tupid and ignorant liar, get it into your skull that tea, flowers and tobacco does not equate to food.

Please don't quote me or reply to my post, i have told you this since 2010, you are one of the most unreasonable individual i have ever come across. I'm quite happy to argue reasonably and in deep about Zimbabwe with matured and open minded members here, i don't argue with hypocrites, conspiracy theorist, 2faced pan-Africans.

Good day.

justwise:

Please don't quote me or reply to my post, i have told you this since 2010, you are one of the most unreasonable individual i have ever come across. I'm quite happy to argue reasonably and in deep about Zimbabwe with matured and open minded members here, i don't argue with hypocrites, conspiracy theorist, 2faced pan-Africans.

Good day.

Just say that you are too dim and s.tupid to answer any of my questions and I will have more respect for you.

You are brainwashed and dim witted there is no doubt about that hence your apprehension whenever you see any of my posts.

Do you understand anything about the history of Zimbabwe, do you understand what it means to be a freedom fighter, do you understand what it means to fight against oppression, of course not - why? because you have spent your entire life on you knees begging to be accepted by the very people who hate your guts.

No peoples can be truly independent unless they are in control of their land . . .

Mugabe understood this . . (even Idi Amin understood this)

NwaNimo1:
. . . I think Mugabe is ten times Mandela.

What about you?

guy...i taught i was alone......exactly my own taughts toooo...