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|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by alexleo(m): 7:14am On May 23, 2012|
Hell is the same thing as what we sometimes call hell fire in the sense that if you read the story of the rich man lazarus in the book of john 16: 22-31 you ll see that-
1. Hell is real.
2. Its a place of torment.
3. The rich man in hell said he was tormented by the flame
4. The man in hell also requested Abraham to send one from among the dead to go and preach to His 5 brothers that are still alive.
My brother dont allow the enemy to deceive you about this thing. There is no death that is worse than the spirit man being in everlasting torment of the lake of fire.
Lake of fire is the final place for both satan and sinners where they will burn forever after the final judgment. Even death will be cast there too.
All this flimsy explanations you people are here giving about hell is the devil' deceit. Why dont you keep yourself pure at all times thru the blood of Jesus and free yourself from the fear of hell which is probably why you are trying to paint an easy picture of hell.
Or you think that God will change things because you dont see it the way it is?
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by cyrexx: 7:51am On May 23, 2012|
cyrexx: @ alexleo,
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by buzugee(m): 8:00am On May 23, 2012|
alexleo:the story of lazarus is not real. it is a parable
a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson.
a statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like.
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by alexleo(m): 8:32am On May 23, 2012|
buzugee: the story of lazarus is not real. it is a parable
My friend go and read that portion again. There was no mention of parable there. Wherever Jesus told a parable in the bible it was clearly indicated that its a parable. It usually starts with - 'and he told them a parable'. Did you see any such statement in this portion?
Again did Abraham not exist as a man in the bible times and did Lazarus not exist too? So why are you talking as if they were just ficticious names that never existed but were used for illustrations only?
Its a pity how you people are panel beating the bible just to satisfy your whims and caprices.
Go and read John 16: 21-31 again.
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by buzugee(m): 8:43am On May 23, 2012|
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by alexleo(m): 10:31am On May 23, 2012|
Again you are deceiving yourself here. Read John 16: 21- 31. Psalm 16:10. Mathew 10:28. This were the words of Jesus in the new testament so dont talk about paul using hell to scare you. Was it also paul that wrote the book of psalm and even the book of Matthew and John?
You said that for years people have been dying and none of them has come back to life to say that there is another life after death. Havent you read of several testimonies of people who had a near death experience and some others who were clinically proven dead who later came back to life to testify that heaven and hell are real did you believe any of them? There were even testimonies posted here sometime ago of an atheist who had this same experience and came back to life and repented did you atheists believe? Does this not confirm what was written in John 16 that i asked you to read where the rich man was told that even if one of the dead was sent to go and talk to his brothers they still will not believe. What you people are doing is equivalent to somebody in Nigeria protesting against a policy of the US president. The person ends up wasting his time because his protest will neither scratch Obama nor remove him as president. If you like protest against God all the days of your life. When you die you will see that you only did your self harm and you face the consequences.
And if you think am afraid of hell you are missing it. The bible says - " there is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. It is when your relationship with God is stained with sin that you become afraid of hell.
God made it clear that He is a God of mercy and God of judgment so why are you now quoting that he said he is God of love only. What about the Judgment aspect? You people are deceiving yourselves. Jesus said that there are two ways, one is the broad way that leads to destruction and another is the narrow way that leads to eternal life. He then said that we should follow the narrow way even though there are few that follow it unlike the broad way that has many people following it. The issue of somebody going to hell is not God that choose for you. It is the choice that you make while alive that determines where you end up. If you walk in the broad way surely you end up in hell and if you walk in the narrow way you end up in heaven period. If you want to go to Lagos from Enugu and you follow the way that leads to porthacourt you will definitely find yourself in ph. This things are clear but you people are just hiding in your deceit.
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by belabela: 11:44am On May 23, 2012|
Let me shock you by saying there is nothing like Hellfire. There is hell and there is lake of fire. They are two different things according to the bible.
According to the bible when a man dies he goes into a place of the dead.This is generally called Hades.(Notes Hades is sometimes used interchangeably as grave). Hades as a place where the souls of the dead go is divided into two parts - Hell and paradise.
Hell is a place of torment ( that may include fire, flames, bugs, worms,etc) according to Jesus (Luke 16:23) but it will be emptied on the great day of the Lord. All the souls in hell will be resurrected and they shall be given their body.
The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. - Revelation 20:13
They will be judged and then thrown into the lake of fire. So they will be thrown into the lake of fire in their body.
Hell is not a place where Satan lives. It is a place where the souls of unrighteous men are kept until the day of judgement. Satan himself would be thrown into the lake of fire.
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. - Rev. 20:10
If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. - Rev. 20:15
That's what the bible says. I know there are many popular lies out there but just get a bible and your questions are answered there
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by alexleo(m): 12:24pm On May 23, 2012|
belabela: @ Poster,
They know the truth but they are just deceiving themselves. Unfortunately, most of them came out from churches that did not give them sound biblical background which led to the slide into disbelieving the bible we will always do our part by telling them the truth while its left for them to take it for their own good or reject it at their own peril.
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by ijawkid(m): 12:42pm On May 23, 2012|
Was d story about d rich man and lazarus a true story or an illustration?
What was d rich mans offense that took him to hell fire??
From that illustraion if we are to look @ it literally d way ur viewing it then it means all rich persons will go to hell fire.....
Because that rich man did nothing to deserve going to d hell fire......
Also abraham is or was not in heaven when Jesus gave this story....
So back to d main discussion:::::
Is hell fire symbolic or literal??
For ur information if u shuld knw d lake of fire and hell fire are not d same things....
So also hell and hell fire are not d same things too.....
Jesus went to hell......
Do you agree
Hell is d common grave of man(hades,sheol)
Jesus stayed in hell for 3days....
Hell fire is a dogma that came after d 1st century.......
Like I said earlier with d quoting of revelations lake of fire symbolizes total destruction,2nd death...
Death itself will be thrown into d lake of fire,so how can that fire be a real one?
Death death death!!!!!!
Not literally burning up somewhere like as if its an oven....
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by ijawkid(m): 12:50pm On May 23, 2012|
Grave will go away but physical death will remain??v?
If there are no graves,then there should be no death....
Or do u hope some1 would die in Gods kingdom
Yes in Gods kingdom our life span would be like that of a tree in that we will love forever....
The only thing hindering us from living forver is death and it is that death that will be thrown into d lake of fire....
Meaning death will be swallowed up forever,meaning there will be no more death(rev 21:3 $ 4)........
Like I asked u na for america too wey death either spiritual or physical would be thrown into??
Abi america na gehenna?
I agree wit ur point to an extent but the america as d location is where I dis agree....
Everlasting destruction is what d lake of fire symbolizes....
Because america too will be thrown into d lake of fire too....
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by cyrexx: 1:00pm On May 23, 2012|
@alexloe and other hell-mongers
i just realise how extremely difficult it is to upload some sense into the already full hard drive mentality of a deeply brainwashed religious mind.
the Bible you are quoting is full of so many errors and contradictions i will be glad to show you, if you want to see.
but you will close your mind to all voice of reason and keep painting your biblical God in the image of a person more wicked than Hitler or the most wicked man on earth.
Such a wicked God you are describing does not deserve any true worship or recognition. even African Gods dont threaten hell fire.
threats of hell in the afterlife will never make you reason like a normal human being again. you will be FORCED to believe anything you were told just to avoid losing your salvation and going to hell.
there is no afterlife, no proofs, no reason to believe that humans have a second life anywhere else apart from the places described by different religions and holy books.
religions capitalise on the basic human fear of the unknown to FORCE people to believe anything they want you to believe or go to hell.
anything that has a beginning must SURELY have an end.
your life in its entirety, including your spirit has a beginning, it must SURELY have an end.
those testimonies you are refering have been proven to be hallucinations and fears of the unknown due to the years of brainwashing those been people has been thru
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by jmoore(m): 1:23pm On May 23, 2012|
what do you offer? You are not this, you are not that. It seems you can't even communicate to whatever you believe in. Always stating what your god should be able to do, who is your god?
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by cyrexx: 1:35pm On May 23, 2012|
i dont have a god. im not an atheist in the sense of stating that "there is no God"
i believe if there is God. he is definitely not the one described by Bible or Quran, who burns men alive for eternity.
i am what you will describe as an agnostic.
i have not found any evidence to prove the existence of God. but i am open to the possiblity of an Intelligent Designer of Nature
you nko, what do you offer.
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by jmoore(m): 1:56pm On May 23, 2012|
I am a christian, my message is that of Jesus Christ.
Like you said above, your god can't create hell. How do you know he can't create hell? You have setup boundaries that your god must not cross for him to be god. How can a creature set a standard for the creator?
How open are you to a true God? Everything that needs to be said has been said over and over again. Ask and you shall receive, many have done it and God revealed himself to them.
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by cyrexx: 2:04pm On May 23, 2012|
where did i make such statements you accused me of (bolded)
I thought Christians dont lie
i just told you I subscribe to no god, especially the bible or quran's; that doesn't mean i said that Intelligent Deigner MAY not be. i said i'm agnostic
that should be clear enough for an English speaking mind.
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by jmoore(m): 2:08pm On May 23, 2012|
The statement came from your quote below
cyrexx: i believe if there is God. he is definitely not the one described by Bible or Quran, who burns men alive for eternity.
You are sure he will not create hell and send those who reject him to burn for eternity. Should I also explain your post to you?
What's the difference between God and Intelligent designer?
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by cyrexx: 2:21pm On May 23, 2012|
i wish not to derail this thread, several threads have dealt with the issue of Intelligent Design/Evolution/Creation story.
what i am saying is that, to me as a free thinking agnostic, the idea of Vindictive God described by christians is unnacceptable to me, and i give rational proofs (check my earlier posts)
we are talking about eternal hell here, not creation. do you believe hell is eternal and never ending continual excruciating pain made by God to punish people without hope of ever finishing their sentence. i need a yes or no.
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by buzugee(m): 4:55pm On May 23, 2012|
ijawkid:you have to be mindful what bible you read. do you read the KJV ? because hades and hell and grave are used interchangeably in some bibles. take for example http://bible.cc/acts/2-27.htm look at all the interpretations in that verse, some bible call it hades, some hell, some grave.
grave will not go away, suffering ( hell ) will go away. you will still die but after you have lived to the age of a tree ( methuselah type age ) ISAIAH 65 VS 22 "They will not build and another inhabit, They will not plant and another eat; For as the lifetime of a tree, so will be the days of My people, And My chosen ones will wear out the work of their hands. SO IF YOU MAKE IT TO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ON EARTH, THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN LOOK FORWARD TO. A LONG LIFE.
NO YOU WILL NOT LIVE FOREVER IN GODS KINGDOM -ISAIAH 65 VS 20[b] “Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days,or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who fails to reach[a] a hundred will be considered accursed.[/b] ( THIS IS DESCRIBING LIFE ON EARTH ( HEAVEN ) WHEN CHRIST IS RULING FROM JERUSALEM. NOBODY LIVES FOREVER. BUT THERE WILL NO LONGER BE INFANT DEATHS OR OLD MEN NOT LIVING OUT THEIR YEARS. YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD LIVE FOREVER ?
THE DEATH THAT WILL BE THROWN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE IS SPIRITUAL DEATH NOT PHYSICAL DEATH. YOU HAVE A LOT OF SPIRITUALLY DEAD PEOPLE WALKING AROUND CALLING THEMSELVES ATHEISTS. THESE PEOPLE WILL NOT EXIST WHEN CHRIST RETURNS. THEY WILL BE DESTROYED OR RENEWED. ( THIS IS A SYMBOLIC STATEMENT. ANYTIME YOU SEE LAKE OF FIRE USED IT MEANS WHATEVER IS ASSOCIATED WITH IT WILL BE TOTALLY ERADICATED AND DESTROYED )
REVELATION 21 VS 4 ; YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO INTERPRET THE BIBLE LITERALLY. THAT VERSE SAYS GOD WILL WIPE AWAY THEIR TEARS AND THEIR SHALL BE NO MORE DEATH AND PAIN AND SORROW. THIS IS SPIRITUAL DEATH NOT PHYSICAL DEATH. ALL THESE EMOTIONS ARE SPIRITUAL EMOTIONS. GOD ONLY DEALS WITH THE SPIRIT. MAN DEALS WITH THE BODY. YOUR SPIRIT IS THE ONE THAT SORROWS AND MOURNS AND PAINS AND DIES. WHEN YOUR SPIRIT DIES, IT MEANS IT IS ISOLATED FROM GOD AND LEFT IN DARKNESS. GOD HAS REJECTED YOUR SPIRIT AND AS SUCH YOU ARE IN SPIRITUAL DARKNESS, SPIRITUAL DEATH. WELL ALL THAT WILL STOP IN THE KINGDOM. YOU WILL FOREVER BE SPIRITUALLY CONNECTED TO GOD. ( IF THAT WAS PHYSICAL DEATH, THE BIBLE ALWAYS SPECIFIES THAT. IT SAYS STUFF LIKE, YOU WILL NO LONGER LIVE ETC ETC. BIBLE DOES NOT REFER TO PHYSICAL DEMISE AS DEATH BECAUSE PHYSICAL DEMISE IS NOT DEATH. YOUR SPIRIT STILL LIVES )
DEATH WILL BE THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE ( LIKE I SAID INITIALLY IT IS A SYMBOLIC STATEMENT ) IT MEANS SPIRITUAL DEATH WILL BE DESTROYED.
GEHENNA IS A GARBAGE COLLECTION POINT IN ANCIENT ISRAEL WHERE GARBAGE IS BURNED. THIS IS WHERE THE NAME 'HELLFIRE' CAME FROM. THIS IS THE MYTH OF HELL FIRE. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HELLFIRE. HOWEVER THERE IS A LAKE OF FIRE THAT WILL CONSUME BABYLON.
THIS IS WHAT SPIRITUAL DEATH IS ALL ABOUT GENESIS 2 VS 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. ( SPIRITUAL DEATH NOT PHYSICAL )
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by emöfine2(f): 5:21pm On May 23, 2012|
Jenwitemi: If the burning is happening in the spiritual form, how will the pain be felt since spirits do not possess tactile sensors to feel anything, never mind unbearable pain of burning.
Interesting point...perhaps “hellfire” is just a metaphor i.e. if one lost everything and everyone they loved they may accord that a state of being in hell (at least that was one out of many definitions of this supposed hell that was offered to me by an orthodox)
Just curious do you reckon spirits possess sentiments? i.e. joy/sorrow etc Or would they just exhibit one state of emotion?
Jenwitemi: A small sketch:
Lol..."he" should have used reverse psychology.
I think there is a propaganda when it comes to the preaching of hell and that may have affected the image of the biblical god.
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by buzugee(m): 5:53pm On May 23, 2012|
cyrexx: i wish not to derail this thread, several threads have dealt with the issue of Intelligent Design/Evolution/Creation story.IS THIS YOUR WAY OF TELLING US THAT YOU ARE AN UNSTABLE MINDED PUGNACIOUS LEPRECHAUN ?
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by buzugee(m): 5:54pm On May 23, 2012|
emöfine2:HEY HEY NOW GIRLFRIEND * african american way of saying 'hello' *
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by emöfine2(f): 6:37pm On May 23, 2012|
Hey Hey bible basher * "heathen" way of saying hi*
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by buzugee(m): 6:49pm On May 23, 2012|
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by joe4christ(m): 7:02pm On May 23, 2012|
God bless you for the above, let those who have ears hear with them, no one can force God on you all, so it's your responsibility to make your choice and you'll be responsible for your decission.
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by cyrexx: 7:41pm On May 23, 2012|
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by buzugee(m): 8:07pm On May 23, 2012|
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by cyrexx: 9:16pm On May 23, 2012|
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by ijawkid(m): 9:30pm On May 23, 2012|
buzugee: you have to be mindful what bible you read. do you read the KJV ? because hades and hell and grave are used interchangeably in some bibles. take for example http://bible.cc/acts/2-27.htm look at all the interpretations in that verse, some bible call it hades, some hell, some grave.
So u indirectly just cancelled d hope of eternal life here on earth....
Please how would u explain psalms 37:29?
If we live like methuselah and then die then why did Jesus die in d 1st place?
I thought d reason was for us to gain eternal life...........
Oboy physical death will not be heard of in Gods kingdom....
Not @ alll....
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by alexleo(m): 10:21pm On May 23, 2012|
1. The bible did not tell us that the rich man's story was a parable.
2. If you read that portion luke 16:30. From the rich man's response in this verse it shows that he already knew that what brought him to hell was non repentance thats why he said that one should be sent from the dead to his brothers so that they will repent so as not to join him in that torment.
3. The rich man didnt go to hell because he was rich but because he did not repent as u can see from his coment in verse 30. Was Abraham not rich in his life time and was he in hell with the man?
4. The bible said that in hell the rich man lifted up his eyes and saw lazarus on Abraham's bossom being comforted. Also Abraham told him there is a gulf between them. So if Abraham was not in heaven or in paradise where was he?
5. Read mathew 10:28 and see what Jesus said about hell. Doesnt it conform with what the rich man experience? And how does this statement of Jesus in this portion mean that hell is just an illustration?
6. Its some people that call it hell fire probably because of the rich man's story where he talked about being tormented in the flames. Read luke 16;24 but bible called it hell. Wether it is called hell or hell fire the main thing is that its a place of unbearable torment.
7. Friend go and read revelation 20:10-15 you will see that the devil , the false prophets and the beast were cast into the lake of fire. Then hell delivered the dead it was harbouring and they were all judged and whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. And in that chapted it said they ll burn forever and ever so why are you still doubting the words of God just because it doesnt fit into the picture of what you think?
Now if you say that the story of people in hell was just an illustration why did revelation now say that hell will give up the dead its habouring to be judged and why did Jesus say its a place of destruction of the soul in mathew 10:28 if you say its just the grave?
My brother, let me tell you the devil can go to any extent to give people a false interpretation of the bible so as to lure them into eternal damnation. You seem to be sliding into such deceit just like the atheists but mind you that God's word stands wether any of us doubt it or believe it. May God help us.
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by Ptolomeus(m): 10:23pm On May 23, 2012|
cyrexx: .TROLL SPRAY !
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by buzugee(m): 10:26pm On May 23, 2012|
ijawkid:there will be eternal life on earth for those who make it. however eternal life means the eternal life of your spirit not your body. whether you choose to believe it or not, the spirit is reincarnated back onto the earth in a different body every third or fourth generation. as such you have eternal life. your spirit lives forever and returns back to the spirit world and back to earth alternatively like a yoyo. up and down. up and down. up and down. that is eternal life. you dont stay on earth in the same body forever. that is biologically impossible
|Re: How Will Hellfire Burn The Damned, Christians? by buzugee(m): 11:11pm On May 23, 2012|
Ptolomeus:yeah for the internet trolls otherwise known as the atheists lol
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