i really do not blame the youths for running away. there are a 1001 reasons i cannot begin ti list them but i will try to list the few i can. First i would like to tell you that i am Christian and born again. i attend a pentecostal church in London it is called Kensington Temple (KT) for short.

when i was in Nigeria i knew quiet a number of deeper life people. some of the people who worked for us attended the church.in my own opinion here are some reasons the youths run away from the church

(1) The Children are not allowed to watch television.i cant imagine what i would do without watching TV. I think people should make time for everything your watching TV does not make you a bad person. the TV has the ability to corrupt but it can also educate and there are religious channels that one can watch.i in particular love to watch the Tom and Jerry cartoon. there is nothing pornographic in these cartoons they are just fun to watch. Hotel Rwanda was a good movie and so many others like that. the parents are just depriving their children of harmless fun.

(2) The church or the members do not allow their children listen to secular music . my opinion on secular music is that as long as
the lyrics of the songs do not have any swear words or bad words in them it is OK to listen to them.i love oldies and quite a number of them are not harmful.

(3) Dressing, the men really do not have anything to lose. men dress alike they can be fashionable and still blend into the church. its the young girls i feel sorry for. they are not allowed to be fashionable.they have to cover their heads, arms knees and every part of the body. in that Nigerian heat. in the summer in my church you can never find people covering up like these people do. there are ways of looking decent.and fashionable. i don't think what a woman wears has anything to do with her inside. some people cover themselves from head to toe and are promiscuous. i agree as a Christian girl, lady or woman, one should look decent but i think these people take the dressing to the extreme. and please what is wrong in a woman wearing trousers?Deeper life parents should watch Cristian channels on TV or cable e and see how these people dress.

(4) jewelery is another issue that needs to be dealt with. Why are the women no allowed to wear earrings and rings or why do they not wear them. if they decide not to wear them that is fine but why compel them or make it a rule that they must not be worn.they may say the members are not forced but if a worker or someone who is a member wears earing i am sure that person will get the cold treatment from members.

(5) the women are not allowed to get their hair done.like i mentioned earlier on the average man is not affected.why should a woman not be allowed to get her hair done or relax her hair if she wishes to. the women also have to cover their heads all the time.

(6) i know people will say they are no forced to do all these things. they are not expressly forced but it is done impliedly. imagine a deeper life worker who is female turns up one sunday with her hair relaxed, not wearing the usual hat or a scarf on her head and wearing stud earing's. i can bet you that she would be asked not to work that day.

@ Cabali
lol, lol, it's obvious you're not a member of Christ Embassy--no big, but i assure you once you hear the words coming out of the mouth of the man of God, walahi, nobody will tell you before you start saying "like Pastor said" or "Pastor Chris said" or better yet "Pastor has taught us." The man speaks scripturally, so when you quote him verbatim you can be sure you're speaking scripturally as well, plus, Christ is our foundation, and we also believe the prophet God's given us, and we the members are prospering (2 Chron 20:20). Personally, I'd much rather quote a man of God than quote one of these dead philosophers like Freud and Socrates,

dearzi:

@multioption

Multioption, i don't think it's fair to pick on Christ Embassy simply because of the way some of its members dress. Jesus befriended the tax collectors, and what happened--he was accused of making friends with them, He didn't turn back simply because of who they were or what they did--He saw it as an opportunity to reach out to them, at the end of the day Judas was the thief! my point is this, i've been a member of Pastor Chris' church for 6yrs now, and when i got there, i was nought but a recalictrant teenager, trust me, i dressed just the way you described, but now, when i step out you'll think i'm a minister. They didn't look at me as in "see what this girl is wearing o!" they accepted me, and with time the word changed my mindset, and i had good mentors--mind you they were not half naked men or women. I don't live in Nigeria anymore, but that dress code is still with me. I'm still a Christ Embassy member, and my dress code's really formal, as are the dress codes of a lot of brethrens in that ministry, it means when you went there your focus was on the wrong thing. I was in Nigeria over Christmas and i went to my church, and people still dress decently, so don't judge a whole church based on how a few dress. It's not our place
**** someone said it's better to sin outside the church than inside, i'm so sorry, that's wrong, sin is sin, where you do it doesn't matter--it is still sin. This is why youths are running away from deeper life, you can't force them to adhere to rules, what this generation needs is teaching on how to be Christ minded, and how to handle of the word of life, Col 2:20-23 "Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21"Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence"

Dearie sister! I didn't intend to cast Christ Embassy in bad light! In fact, I enjoy listening to Pastor Oyakhilome, albeit on TV. There's no perfect church because imperfect humans constitute the church! So, my apologies!

@ Mutioption
True there's no perfect church--ironically, we're the church . It's all good, we're all working on perfection. Now, i'm not sure whether you're a bros or a sis, but it's all good, on behalf of my church--apologies are accepted, we may shake now

@Cabali

I enjoy your contribution too much here.

@Everyone
But, is it compulsory for women/Ladies to:

1) Perm Hairs,
2) Wear Shorties,
3) Leave Hair open,
4) Use Lip Sticks etc


[b]In my own opinion, You don't need all these attachments to look beautiful and attractive?


I watched a Church programme few hours ago, it was anchored by a Pastor-Mrs, i was dissapointed in her Hair-do and dressing. What for?

@papa look! do not judge me, i respect God and u probably do not stay in nigeria so u don't know what am talking about!

to make quotes of great men is cool but u don't preach to people like it is pastor chris that made the rules in the bible what happened to christ?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! and one more time - HA!

Calm down! Who judged you!?

I was talking about Nigerians, not you! I was born in that country and I know what the citizens think is cool or not ok!
Don't teach me about my Nigeria. The bible rules and if you know Pastor Chris or better put if you've listened to him enough and know your bible enough (by the way for starters - Are you a born-again?) then, you'll find that he is in love with the bible and points every listener (which will include you the day you start listening) to The WORD.

@ Akolawole, Cabali & Kimba,

Many thanks for ur contribution. I'ld like you to remember that people out there have got lots of negative feelings and beliefs about DEEPER LIFE, so no matter how many write ups u post here wouldnt do any good.

Morover, "youths leaving Deeper Life or not wont take anybody to heaven, neither this write ups nor our churches, it is "thus saith the Lord". My prayer is just that God will in His infinte merscy guide us all through to do His will while here in this world, so that heaven could be gained by us at the end of the day.

Pls let us not use this post to vent words on churches, but let's use it to educate ourselves better and prayerfully too.

We all know that this world is perversed and really going against the word of God, youths and adults are all guilty of these perverseness, so let us check our ways and return to our MAKER


May God help us all

@ Sir Kay,

Well said.

i think the reason the youths are running away from deeper life is because there is no life in the church.u cant dance the way u like,and they sing extremely bpring songs.when u go to the church it will be as if u are in a funeral service.they dont watch television cos they feel it is satanic.4getting the fact that men of God preach on it too.they dont wear anything(shoe,bag or wristwatch )that has any trace of gold.is that not hypocrtica? and they want the youth to stay.no they cant.let us try and be ourselves and bring people to christ instead of chasing them away

@ papa
thanks for the advice bro. Ill keep my posts short and simple.
You know my problem - I type so fast that i forget ive typed like 10pages equiv.

and for your reason for not attending because of Rom 5:20, rather than get deterred by the first part of the verse, ask God for grace for the second part

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Its the fact that God can give you grace to live above sin, that makes living for Jesus most interesting. Anyone, old or young that TRULY loves Jesus will be ready to set himself/herself aside.

@dearzi

someone said it's better to sin outside the church than inside, i'm so sorry, that's wrong, sin is sin, where you do it doesn't matter--it is still sin. This is why youths are running away from deeper life, you can't force them to adhere to rules,

Yes, sin is sin. And truly, no body in the Deeper Life is forcing anyone(member or newcome) to adhere to rules and regulations. Where are the set of rules and regulations. Do they say/teach anything other than what is in the Bible. If we say these youth are running away from the church becoz of rules and regulations which are found in the Bible, then seriously these youths are not ready for God in their lives, in the first place.

it really doesn't matter what you want to see, because God's looking at the heart anyway! not their dressing (not like it don't matter)

Another way to see it is like this:
Jesus said:

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

The whole God-Man relationship is simply put: Love from God to man. Love from man to God. thats all.
God loved man, He sent His Son Jesus to make a way for man's forgiveness of sin. Man never petitioned God to send His son as sacrifice, but God soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo loved man. John 3:16
If man truly loves God, he will put himself(his body, soul and spirit, his ego "I" under subjection/control so that he can demonstrate his love to God. Now the proces of putting my body, soul and spirit under control will definitely be painful to me, but God has gone a step further, the Holy Spirit is around to help me do that, note, God makes a way for us to please Him, so its not too hard to do, in the real sense of the word, if we as Christians want to commit ourselves to loving God.

Its like what they use to tell us in schl: that you cant pass a subject until you like your teacher. Its not that the teacher will single you out for failure, but you will hinder yourself from passing that subject if you hate your teacher because in the first place, none of whatever he/she says(no matter the length of the explanation or the number of examples used) will make sense to you since their is no personal interest in your heart for your teacher and the subject. So the ball is in our court. you see!! Now, God is our teacher and Love is the subject. And we know we cannot serve two-masters.

Remember that Moses out of love and sympathy, defended his people, killed an egyptian(that was wrong anyway), wasnt accepted by the israelites of his physical appearance:

11And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.
12And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.
13And when he went out the second day, behold, two men of the Hebrews strove together: and he said to him that did the wrong, Wherefore smitest thou thy fellow?
14And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known.

later the daughters of Jethro thought he was an egyptian

18And when they came to Reuel their father, he said, How is it that ye are come so soon to day?
19And they said, An Egyptian delivered us out of the hand of the shepherds, and also drew water enough for us, and watered the flock.

A man that loves a woman will do everything he can do just to win her heart. He will call her 24hours a day, ask her if she has eaten even if he himself has nothing to eat, hold the umbrella while shes walking, look descent in front of her, be gentle, talk descently, defend her in public, might even become a street fighter if some guy tries to mess around doing everything just to win her affection,

Imagine if this guy/girl decide to go out and its the guy that dresses up like a garage boy, unkempt hair,dirty clothes etc, the girl will definitely beg-off, or maybe its the girl that dresses as if she was some pick-up girl and the guy happens to come from a descent background, he will first recall: if mom/dad sees me with this, they might think im after prostitutes, so he'll beg off, but at least both of them should be presentable to themselves and to the outside world, thats when they can receive praise, not insults.

my sister, the dressing part mattters. Im not saying you should dress up and cover yourself with a blanket, the ideal is descency. Cover what needs to be covered, period, both for male and female.

Moses was the man God will use, but God had to change his mind-set, his physical appearance/comportment, everything,
Even in our present day, someone that dresses smartly, descently and is in order from head to toe is given some respect(regardless of whether/not he has money in his pocket).

Proverbs 17:28 Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue.

@xphanti

thanks for your list. quite interesting.

The Children are not allowed to watch television.i can't imagine what i would do without watching TV.

Wow, you can't imagine what you would do without watching TV? I have a whole lot of things to do. We didnt attend Deeper Life when we were young and you bet, my dad didnt allow us to watch TV. We had a TV in the house, allright, but the first command was "thou shalt not watch TV". Reason, to help our acadmics. He didnt want us to become addicts. Today, TV is a major sickness in the Western world. I attended a seminar sometime ago, i myself was surprised.

Let me tell you bout myself: we didnt attend DL then. No music until after 5pm. The radio must not even cough. , im talking Mon-Sun. I had a time-table i followed round the clock. If your homework isnt done before 6pm, you are in deep sh*t. We dressed descently, longsleeves/polo t-shirt, no jeans. If you made a mistake and broke the glass cup, immediately announce that yes, i broke it and i am very sorry, you don't get punished. If i see my brother/sister doing something bad, i warned them/viceversa, immediately and if he doesnt change, go tell dad/mom. The second major rule in the house was we must not fight - under no conditions should we fight, not among ourselves nor with neighbors (3) we all eat together, no matter how hungry you are, wait for the rest, except someone is out. Evenings, we go out and play with friends, , no friends over before that time 6pm, 7 dad and mom check the homework, help with whatever we don't understand,  8, we watch tv, 8:30-9pm pray and go and sleep.

By the time i got to high-school, i was disciplined, no need to be pushed/cajoled around to study/do things. Things came in handy, i mixed with good peeps, didnt get myself into trouble, even when in boarding schl, if the whole class was to be punished for any offense, i always went free,  Not that i was some teachers pet, but I guess they knew what i was/wasnt capable of. In fact my friends in school never invited me to trouble zones,

Now, im greatful for such an upbringing. As i said we were not DL mbrs then and he never outlined any rules from the Bible. if he didnt do such, i wont be where i am today. Now, i have the money and i have the TV, and all the gadgets i can buy, but after CNN/BBC, i get myself busy with other important things. How can i spend 5hrs in front of a TV? when im not sick. Its better to be on nairaland, don't you think

now i bet you would say,what a nice life i had, but there was no Deeper Life, then. I grew up normally, had friends, had my friends, went biing, but i always knew when to draw the line when it came to what was acceptable to be done and what was not.

For my sister, by the time my mom worked on her hair with some excellent braids, she was always the crowd favourite. some of her white friends even came around to get their hair done. did she wear trousers, nope, but she always had shorts underneath just in case she falls over on the swing or somewhere. she doesnt have a problem wearing skirts now. maybe i should post her picture here, you'll be surprised she doesnt have makeup, yet so pretty.

Beat this: Her ears are not pierced and shes not ready to pierce them, im talking 20yrs old. We are all out of home, school, independent should i say, but we've got some values to treasure, Deeper Life or not.

Nothing beats Nature!!!!

funmise:

I think deeper life is vry good 4 bringin up children especially if u want to put the fear of God in them. I am nt disputing other churches bt i was brought up in that church, even though i don't attend d church again, there r somethings that i think twice before doing.
And deeper life is not forcing all its doctrines down anyones throat, you're allowed to wear ear rings, make up, they believe that once you're convienced, no one would tell u not 2 wear ear rings again before u stop.

And I said to you that if you don't conform to theit dressing codes, ushers will give a back seat.
Do you know that?

@ Greatpeter,

Have you attended DL before? Well it's better to say what you see than tell lies about what you don't see, but hear people say. Pls, nothing of such is happening in DL.

Let's not condemn churches, rather let's talk about our salvation and how to make it through to heaven eventually, church or no church.

@ kimba,

So much appreciate your contributions and explanation, but please, staying calm for now I think would do you good. Dragging issues on this topic won't help, nor clear the biased mind people have against DL

basically because them too dey claim sey them holy, which most youths don't wanna recognise wiv!!

Hi people,

I can't really say much about DL because I attended only a few times in Nigeria (some in Abuja - Wuse and Kubwa; and in Uniben, Edo State). What I notice is that they try to conform to everything Kumuyi says and does - even most of the pastors imitate his accent and diction. For all of these things, I commend the labours of DL leaders.

Even so, not all the branches of DL have applause from non-DLites (or D-Lifers  ). I've seen ugly situations in which zealous members have asked 'newbies' to throw away their TV and jewelry, and this amazed me in no way. Mistakes have been made in the past but some have adjusted with time. In Uniben, not all the 'sistas' tie their scarf with such religiousity as one might find in some other branches.

There might be a lot of rigidity and legalism as interpreted by so many of us who are non-Dlites. I should venture to say that the opinions of a lot of people about any denomination are informed by hear-says. But, of course, that may not be correct since my population sample is quite constrained. Young people may not like certain trends they find in the DL churches, but that does not necessarily mean that the church is as way out of touch with our generation. I'll forever be grateful for Kumuyi's consistent pursuit of holiness (Heb. 12:14) - "holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord" - and I most definitely want to see the Lord, whether I'm a youth or not. If I learnt nothing else, that one lesson has not left my heart - and that is the one thing that broke the power of fornication (my strongest sin) from my life. And that was the one thing that drove me to my knees and to the Bible - so that today prayer and Bible study have become a natural part of my lifestyle.

I've enjoyed the discussions about denominations and their practices on this Forum. A lot of us have been asking questions about Cele, Catholic Church, Christ Embassy, the Man in the Synagogue, and now Deeper Life. Denominations no go finish - and who knows which is next? The one thing that we may all agree on is that questions are legitimate if they help us better understand our relationship with God. Sometimes arguments are so passionate that we tend to castigate "them" and defend "our own". Where I might've inadvertently done so, my apologies. As far as the efforts are bringing out the truth in the Bible and dispelling ignorance and heresy, I encourage everyone to keep up the work.

Kimba

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The Children are not allowed to watch television.i can't imagine what i would do without watching TV.
Wow, you can't imagine what you would do without watching TV? I have a whole lot of things to do. We didn't attend Deeper Life when we were young and you bet, my dad didn't allow us to watch TV. We had a TV in the house, allright, but the first command was "thou shalt not watch TV". Reason, to help our academics. He didn't want us to become addicts. Today, TV is a major sickness in the Western world. I attended a seminar sometime ago, i myself was surprised

I was not brought up to watch TV like an addict, when i was growing up there was a balance there is time to playand a time to study. it cant be about books, books, books and books. i can tell you i am disciplined person. i noticed one thing when i got to the university, quite a lot of children who ran wild were those who were not given freedom at home. smoking, drinking, partying like it is going out of fashion,having boyfriends or girlfriends, weeding and doing all sorts of things. Don't get me wrong, not all of them turn that way but quite a lot of them do try to have their fun because when they get home, thats it. there are quite a lot of things you can learn from watching TV, the TV can also corrupt a child but if properly monitored there are so many harmless programmes to watch.

@xphanti

there are quite a lot of things you can learn from watching TV, the TV can also corrupt a child but if properly monitored there are so many harmless programmes to watch.

Agreed!!!!

but the problem part is the "proper monitoring", which the parents dont do, not because they might not have wanted to do it, but because of a simple reason as "they do not have the time", since theyve gotta make 2ends meet for the Child.

The TV is not bad itself, the internet is worse, there a 1001 bad things out there, not even related to TV. But on the control aspect, thats where the church came in, someone said: whatever you dont kill will eventually kill you!!!

funny tho,

i am disciplined person. i noticed one thing when i got to the university, quite a lot of children who ran wild were those who were not given freedom at home. smoking, drinking, partying like it is going out of fashion,having boyfriends or girlfriends, weeding

so smoking and weeding are part of fun?
How many have died as a result of such fun and will die because of lung cancer? are they having fun living on drugs?

too much fun in childhood reduces the amount of fun later in life, it might even cut the life short!!

Kimba, well i must tell you that almost everything invented for man has its good and evil side. you can either use them for evil or good this lies in the hands of every individual. the first thing i would like to mention is the TV, it can be used to educate, learn about God and also used to corrupt. the next thing is the internet. there is an abundance of knowledge on the internet. it makes life very easy, while studying i had quite alot of work that involved different industries, organizations and countries which i would not have been able to complete. apart from academics there are so many Christian websites that can be joined on the internet. on the other hand the internet can also be used for evil there is so much pornography on the internet. but like i said it is left to individuals.

Kimba,
You should have seen hyperactive me on my feet applauding your response. It was great!
That's how to keep it short, except the ones you sent to dearzi & xphanti, maybe to help you,
try to give yourself a restriction to number of lines before you start typing, It'll help.
God bless you, God Bless Deeper Life, God Bless the Church(the world over),
. . .and God bless ME! - ONLY ME!,
lol - just kidding!
God bless y'all!

@xphanti

Kimba, well i must tell you that almost everything invented for man has its good and evil side.

true, true, true, not just almost everything, but everything. some peeps even take the Bible and preach errors out of it.

Yes, Moderation is the answer, and we've just gotta keep on

Prove all things: hold fast that which is good."--1 Thessalonians 5:21

am not saying to quote is wrong, in fact it is examplary to do so. but when members of a church start telling what is good or bad like; i cant do it cos pastor so and so said we should nt! this is criminal! i prefer people say- i cant do it cos the bible says, or cos in the life of christ He did not or the holy spirit would not like it! ur various pastors dont make the rules!

I really hope we all see our various pastors as just empty vessels used by God! they are not special from use cos the book says these signs and even more will follow them that believe!

so, u see just believing and God can use u as much as He does ur pastor.

And I think if there isnt a great difference, inwardly and outwardly btwn the worldly and the born again, then God can as well allow sinners into heaven. the bride of christ has to be different from the jezebel look alikes- this is what deeper life have a problem letting youths believe!

Multioptior,

It is good you have expressed that opinion of urs here. At least it can be dealt with openly.

Point of Correction: 'everything goes' is the wrongest phrase to use in describing Christ Embassy. Where the Word and the Spirit are exhalted above any other thing.

In Christembassy, we put absolute faith and trust in God's Word and the Holy Spirit to build a man. We do not think it is our responsibility but the Holy Spirit's to shapen a man's character and present Him Holy and unblamable before God.

Inasmuch as people are brought in to the true liberty of christ, there is a prevailing atmosphere of Love and the fear of the Lord which the Holy spirit pours in our congregation.

That is why anyone looking at us from afar will wonder how we exercise order in the House of God; It is by the Spirit.

Let me talk about myself, I first went to church in jeans, a jacket and an earing in my ear and a cap on my head. As far as I was concerned, i needed God  and i came to him just as i was.

Not long after i joined church, certain changes could be noticed in my appearance.  I began to dress for the job,  Clean and Presentable as the reality of my being an ambassador of the highest order finally dawned on me. No one ever talked to me about my dressing then. I was only led of the spirit. This sholud not then cause me to begin to teach that a christian should not wear this or that.

Like Jesus, our hands are opened and our gates ajar to welcome all who are weak, sin-sick and weary. We teach them until Christ is formed in them. We make them become what they never thought they could become.

[i]Just for the records, [/i]We do not get sexually aroused in church at Christ Embassy. That is not possible because of the presence of the Spirit that is so tangible. Or did you have any such experience attending church at Christ Embassy or while wathcing  on TV? That will have to be dealt with as a personal problem.

You do not need to come to church to lust. It is an inside thing ok?  If you do not deal with it, you will still use your imagination to lust even if  women dressed like lagbaja.


I think our congregation looks just like the one Jeus had. Not a set of people who have been made to look in a certain way by a man.

To give a man a set of rules will not cure him of the problem he has within him. The work must begin from inside first.

That way, when God does the building through his Word and his Spirit, u will never settle for less; whether you have bretheren around watching you or not.

In our congregation, just like Jesus', the rich, dignitries, the poor, beggers, harlots, drunkards, young and old, all come to drink of that same Holy spirit.

In my own opinion though, i sincerely think we are the best dressed congregation around.

@cabali

And I think if there isnt a great difference, inwardly and outwardly btwn the worldly and the born again, then God can as well allow sinners into heaven. the bride of christ has to be different from the jezebel look alikes- this is what deeper life have a problem letting youths believe!

who is responsible for putting a great difference, inwardly and outwardly between the born again Christian? is it any Church's doing or God Himself.

IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY CHURCHES YOU GO TO

YOUR MIND MATTERS TO GOD MOST

GET SAVED

& SWIM YOUR WAY THROUGH THE GATES OF HEAVEN

OK ?

PLEASE, LET US ALL WATCH WHAT WE SAY WITH OUR MOUTHS

WE NEED TO WATCH WHAT WE SAY ABOUT THE CHURCH OF GOD

@ Donnie
Preach it brother! who'd have thunk it! that you had a pierced ear!!! but it's all good--i can relate, from minute skirts in my girlish moments, and indifferent emsemble in my ya ya ya moments, to a full time Ambassador of the gospel outfit, it's only the Word that can do that! even in my casual moments now, i know that i have to represent Christ, when i was in FUTA i read a poster on a door "How you dress is how you'll be addressed," that got me thinking and i knew it was time to cover up some skin and dress respectfully, it's only the Spirit of God that can convict a man.

Donnie, Please tell me you're a Pastor or atleast a cell leader!?

How you dress is how you'll be addressed

Great words there @dearzi, one of our Pastors mentioned that during a leadership training. Only leaders, have that kind of mentality.

kimba:

@cabali
who is responsible for putting a great difference, inwardly and outwardly between the born again Christian? is it any Church's doing or God Himself.

u r the one responsible in making the difference cos u r the one who puts on those clothes and make up. all am saying is christians should be christlike thats all

I see that some people do not need the Holy Spirit to be Holy. They are naturally Holy. They do not even need Jesus to die for sin, they can live right by themselves. They are already too holy for the blood or the Spirit.

Well, i believe in the God that justifies the ungodly,

and i also believe the scripture tha says:

i will put my Spirit within you and cause you to walk in my stautes, and you shall keep my judgements and do them.

For it is God who worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure

selah,

its all got alot to do with freedom.with deeper life? there'll be no more tv,miniskirsts,earrings,and all those worldly things that trip youths.the examples are inexhaustible.

i believe if u trully believe in heaven and hell and the meaning of making it to heaven, u will not consider all that lack of freedom, , u will infact stop tv, miniskirts and all if u trully know these things will prevent u!

better in heaven with an arm than hell with two