nigeria, partnering with the country responsible for the greatest nuclear disaster in history - chernobyl a system in which the safety measures, rather than control the reaction , accelerated it

a system in which there was a terrible coverup

and russia, the same country that fked us over by building a steel plant in ajaokuta that runs on anthracite - which we can only get from russia

if gej were to announce that he was a satanist, his league of internet muppets would still cheer

meanwhile this is what a recent economist article had to say about nuclear power

http://www.economist.com/node/21549936/comments.?page=2

THE enormous power tucked away in the atomic nucleus, the chemist Frederick Soddy rhapsodised in 1908, could “transform a desert continent, thaw the frozen poles, and make the whole world one smiling Garden of Eden.” Militarily, that power has threatened the opposite, with its ability to make deserts out of gardens on an unparalleled scale. Idealists hoped that, in civil garb, it might redress the balance, providing a cheap, plentiful, reliable and safe source of electricity for centuries to come. But it has not. Nor does it soon seem likely to.

Looking at nuclear power 26 years ago, this newspaper observed that the way forward for a somewhat moribund nuclear industry was “to get plenty of nuclear plants built, and then to accumulate, year after year, a record of no deaths, no serious accidents—and no dispute that the result is cheaper energy.” It was a fair assessment; but our conclusion that the industry was “safe as a chocolate factory” proved something of a hostage to fortune. Less than a month later one of the reactors at the Chernobyl plant in Ukraine ran out of control and exploded, killing the workers there at the time and some of those sent in to clean up afterwards, spreading contamination far and wide, leaving a swathe of countryside uninhabitable and tens of thousands banished from their homes. The harm done by radiation remains unknown to this day; the stress and anguish of the displaced has been plain to see.


Et tu, Japan

Then, 25 years later, when enough time had passed for some to be talking of a “nuclear renaissance”, it happened again (see article). The bureaucrats, politicians and industrialists of what has been called Japan’s “nuclear village” were not unaccountable apparatchiks in a decaying authoritarian state like those that bore the guilt of Chernobyl; they had responsibilities to voters, to shareholders, to society. And still they allowed their enthusiasm for nuclear power to shelter weak regulation, safety systems that failed to work and a culpable ignorance of the tectonic risks the reactors faced, all the while blithely promulgating a myth of nuclear safety.

Not all democracies do things so poorly. But nuclear power is about to become less and less a creature of democracies. The biggest investment in it on the horizon is in China—not because China is taking a great bet on nuclear, but because even a modest level of interest in such a huge economy is big by the standards of almost everyone else. China’s regulatory system is likely to be overhauled in response to Fukushima. Some of its new plants are of the most modern, and purportedly safest, design. But safety requires more than good engineering. It takes independent regulation, and a meticulous, self-critical safety culture that endlessly searches for risks it might have missed. These are not things that China (or Russia, which also plans to build a fair few plants) has yet shown it can provide.

In any country independent regulation is harder when the industry being regulated exists largely by government fiat. Yet, as our special report this week explains, without governments private companies would simply not choose to build nuclear-power plants. This is in part because of the risks they face from local opposition and changes in government policy (seeing Germany’s nuclear-power stations, which the government had until then seen as safe, shut down after Fukushima sent a chilling message to the industry). But it is mostly because reactors are very expensive indeed. Lower capital costs once claimed for modern post-Chernobyl designs have not materialised. The few new reactors being built in Europe are far over their already big budgets. And in America, home to the world’s largest nuclear fleet, shale gas has slashed the costs of one of the alternatives; new nuclear plants are likely only in still-regulated electricity markets such as those of the south-east.

A technology for a more expensive world

For nuclear to play a greater role, either it must get cheaper or other ways of generating electricity must get more expensive. In theory, the second option looks promising: the damage done to the environment by fossil fuels is currently not paid for. Putting a price on carbon emissions that recognises the risk to the climate would drive up fossil-fuel costs. We have long argued for introducing a carbon tax (and getting rid of energy subsidies). But in practice carbon prices are unlikely to justify nuclear. Britain’s proposed carbon floor price—the equivalent in 2020 of €30 ($42) a tonne in 2009 prices, roughly four times the current price in Europe’s carbon market—is designed to make nuclear investment enticing enough for a couple of new plants to be built. Even so, it appears that other inducements will be needed. There is little sign, as yet, that a price high enough to matter can be set and sustained anywhere.
Explore our interactive guide to nuclear power around the world

Whether it comes to benefit from carbon pricing or not, nuclear power would be more competitive if it were cheaper. Yet despite generous government research-and-development programmes stretching back decades, this does not look likely. Innovation tends to thrive where many designs can compete against each other, where newcomers can get into the game easily, where regulation is light. Some renewable-energy technologies meet these criteria, and are getting cheaper as a result. But there is no obvious way for nuclear power to do so. Proponents say small, mass-produced reactors would avoid some of the problems of today’s behemoths. But for true innovation such reactors would need a large market in which to compete against each other. Such a market does not exist.

Nuclear innovation is still possible, but it will not happen apace: whales evolve slower than fruit flies. This does not mean nuclear power will suddenly go away. Reactors bought today may end up operating into the 22nd century, and decommissioning well-regulated reactors that have been paid for when they have years to run—as Germany did—makes little sense. Some countries with worries about the security of other energy supplies will keep building them, as may countries with an eye on either building, or having the wherewithal to build, nuclear weapons. And if the prices of fossil fuels rise and stay high, through scarcity or tax, nuclear may charm again. But the promise of a global transformation is gone.

theres a lot more - the failures in regulation in japan, the failure of the safety measures in place - the fact that there is no safe storage for nuclear waste per se, the stagnation of nuclear technology.

anyway, with the small minds we have as gej muppets on nl - those sellers of sodis water who are conspicuously absent from threads populated by professionals - can we be suprised?

bayooooooo:

We will be ripe and know as well when we have developed required competence for strict adherence to safety standards and maintenance culture.

and em...when will that be!!

nyabingi:

and em...when will that be!!

wait and find out.

We've not successfully managed oil refineries, I wonder how the nuclear reactor one will be

Look at all these jokas screaming nuclear power. You know all the parameters that would need and have to be covered/considered before venturing into anything nuclear?

Asides, maintenance, work ethics...security is a massive onne. What's our choice of element? Uranium? Basically any radioactive element have to be handled with care. Heck, the waste alone from the process needs to be secured/protected, let alone disposed of properly.

Can Nigeria really handle all that at heer current state? Even 10 yrs to come? Cmon guys, think!

Just typical of y'all. Want to jump on something, cos you see its nice and high tech and the oyibos use it good. But you don't think if you have the foundations for it set.

Nige should just stick to using what shhe has in abundance; Hydrocarbons. Heck, aim towards proper green energy instead, that's high tech in its own right. Maybe not as efficient, but still a starte. Besides, they're getting more efficient as the year goes.

Me o, I do not support this "Nuclear Power Generation" , because Nigeria as a country in terms of security and maintenance is VERY UNSTABLE. Then again, talk about who they're partnering with, and you weep for Nigeria.

Boboribo: Una never fit run Ajaokuta, una wan start another adventure?

Common highway pavement we can't build and maintain properly and we wanna go nuclear engineering...Lolz
When a nuclear power goes out of hand due to lack of proper maintenance which is our specialty in Nigeria, then KABOOM - nuclear bomb! cos our disaster management is next to zero.
Even the radiation would travel as far as ivory coast, Tunisia and Kenya, so the dose would be spread evenly. UK and other advance nation are busy decommissioning theirs, now we want to adopt a tech they are running from.smh

even the Germans are scrapping it. The Japanese are phasing them out , Nigerian's cant even deal effectively with inland oil spillage, cant run any Refinery or steel plant successfully. The Russians don't have a great record on Nuclear power program, Yet some are hailing this as victory. Have we forgotten what happened when the Italians dumped Toxic waste in Koko in Old Bendel state

The level of corruption in the country to I think that Nigeria is not yet mature for this kind of program as a physics student! I can worn that a slite miss handling a nuclear reactor can led to a mass distruction beyond this country. Hiroshima is one very popular area that is not habitable to as a result of nuclear bumb drop at the area!

Another Chernobyl waiting to happen! Hope they build the reactor right bsides Aso Rock or House of Assembly so that when it happens all those corrupt Politicos can be d first to GO!!!!!

We forget the past so soon. These guys are scammers trying to get nigerian loot like b4fore. How come we forgot so quickly that it was the russians that came to set up ajaokuta steel complex for us but vanished into the thin air with our money, and the excuse was the collapse of CCCP (communist russia). The same set of looters now in the corridors of power, trying to lure the same russian bizmen to pull another fast one. just watch it guy...we'll hear the story in future. I know the russian state supports their biz men when they rip-off third world nations like nigeria. History will continue to repeat itself. Lets forget about nuclear power and make kainji and other sources like gas workable.

I guess most of the ppl suportin dis misadventure do not knw much abt nuclear power generation and our choice of Russia equally shows dat we r headed 4 disaster, because dis is a country dat is globaly noted 4 dea low safety standards. Ppl shud google abt the Chernobyl nuclear disaster dat happened in Russia, coupled wit Nigeria dat has not been able 2 maintain basic infrastructure like roads, stadium etc; what a perfect combo 4 mass murder! BTW hw r we goin 2 dispose d radioactive waste dat wud b generated? But finally, if they decide 2 b foolhardy, then FG shud build it in Maiduguiri or Sokoto(d same way they hijack most facilities) so dat in case of any meltdown it wil only affect d boko areas.

wesley80: True, lets only concentrate on gas till we completely run out of gas and then we can start developing Nuclear and other alternative power sources. I'm certain that by then, our super generation of genetically modified two headed citizens wld be "ripe" for nuclear power. Right?

my broda ure corect nd bayoo pls u fogot one thing tel any one argueng wit u 2 site d plant in dia vilage

"Commissioning the N650 million worth Nuclear Researchers’ Hostel" is that what they say they wanna build.another way to build private individual mansions

We're clearly clueless in this country pertaining which directions to take towards the future. The President's advisers should know that just because we can doesn't obviously mean we must. Nuclear power in both its peaceful and otherwise states have been very volatile around the world, why do we now think we are going to tame/master it differently? Especially in a country such as ours, as people have rightly pointed out- with poor maintainance culture. When the chips are down and the pomp and pagentry associated with it by the media have all died down, what stops some technicians going the way of DANA behind closed doors? Inasmuch as I support African countries getting futuristic, I'm not with Nigeria on this issue. We may try more viable sources like our coastlines, wind and solar power development.

I know these PDP trolls have goldfish memory, I hope one word will give them an idea of what the nuclear prog will look like "Ajaokuta"

If Russian nuclear plant consultants have indeed been invited to turn Nigeria into a glowing nuclear wasteland similar to the quarantined and abandoned city of Chernobyl, Russia, then extending that invitation would be the most grievous mistake imaginable, whose deadly legacy would persist at epic cost in lives, for the rest of human existence on planet Earth.

On behalf of ALL who wish to see a Nigeria whose ENTIRE territorial landmass remains FREE from the million-year curse of nuclear contamination, I appeal to Nigerian President Jonathan Goodluck to please REJECT ALL proposals to open a nuclear plant ANYWHERE in Nigeria. Of the many writers on this subject who have expressed shock and dismay at the very thought of Nigeria uncorking the nuclear genie from its bottle, there are BOUND to be a few who have access to President Goodluck, and it is to those highly privileged individuals that I direct this anxious and urgent plea.

The half-life of nuclear waste is measured in hundreds of thousands of years, during which that highly toxic carcinogenic waste is only one small container-leakage away from rendering soil, air and water poisoned, sterile and unsafe for human habitation for thousands of generations to come. The city of Chernobyl and vast areas of land around the nuclear reactor that melted down, is ironically located in Russia, from whence these "nuclear experts" were sent to Nigeria, and that fact alone should send off alarms and raise red flags in Nigeria's corridors of power.

The nuclear exclusion zone that keeps ALL humans out of Chernobyl and its vicinity will NEVER be lifted till the end of human civilization. Those hundreds of square miles around Chernobyl are lost forever to the human race, yet, terrifyingly, what occurred in Chernobyl pales in comparison with the Armageddon-like calamity that could befall a poorly maintained nuclear plant, bearing in mind Nigeria's generally abysmal culture of maintenance in aviation, industry and electrical power generation.

President Jonathan Goodluck, please say a big NO to the Russian nuclear "experts" sent from the luminous dead city of Chernobyl, for they offer Nigeria a deadly poisoned chalice. The arid northern wastes of Nigeria hold enormous potential for the generation of solar power, while Nigeria's Atlantic seaboard offers square miles of shallow continental shelf suitable for wind-turbine farms large enough to light up entire cities.

With low to moderate levels of investment, the generation of combustible methane gas from municipal sewage and livestock waste could, with government encouragement, be harnessed to power gas-fired turbines for the generation of electrical power by the megawatt. With so many practical, safe and sustainable energy options yet to be explored by Nigeria, it would be nothing short GENOCIDAL to permit the introduction of nuclear power plants onto Nigerian soil.

Say NO, Johnny B. Goode. Say NO to Nigeria becoming a glow-in-the-dark nuclear waste-land, and just tell those Russian mafia men to phuck off back to Siberia.

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^ My knees shook in fright as I read your piece until I realised u prolly are just an alarmist - yes you are! The dangers of toying with nuclear energy are well documented and anyone that has chosen to go down that path knows exactly what he's getting himself involved with; so does GEJ and the entire potential nuclear energy team of this country, I stand corrected but I do not believe any of you know more about the dangers of nuclear power than those advocating for its adoption. BTW, Chernobyl is in Ukraine and yes the Japs just restarted the Fukushjma plant despite the anxiety of the public! Leadership isn't just about making populist decisions, its about making tough choices and riding the storms that are sure to follow, trusting your judgement and expecting to be vindicated at the end. Call him stupid, call him dull and the rest expletives u all know too well but he's always been vindicated at the end despite the very shortsighted uproar at the beginnings!

kiyosaki1: On point the GEJ apologists like brag and co don't seem to analyse issues and situations before coming to be defending any program set up by the FG just because its proposed by an arm of the FG do not make it a sustainable venture we all know our safety and maintenance culture is nothing to write home about or let's look at it in this way another means of providing foods for beaf bosses do I may be wrong

See this intellectually squalid rat catcher.
You are very stup!d for including my name in your unintelligent post.
A monkey can speak better English and write better sentences than. Bro, were you found in the zoo?

All I see on this thread is post after post that confirms why we are not developed. We just love our awuf without challenging ourselves sha.
Those who own and successfully run nuclear installations are not spirits, but flesh and blood like us.

If anyone is claiming to be of inferior stock that can neither be disciplined nor mentally creative enough to do what individuals belonging to other countries and races have been doing for donkey years now, they should de the rest of us who dare to succeed a favour and leave the country.

Nigeria MUST develop and the only way to do that is take bold steps like other countries before us have. Those countries did not acquire the ability to maintain nuclear plants from running scared.

Beaf:

There are nuclear plant designs that don't need flowing water these days. And we have rivers even in the far North, if water is to be the limiting factor of the design and strategy we choose. The plants can be anywhere, even in Abuja.

Pray tell, how are the fuel rods in these waterless nuclear plants cooled? Please stop deceiving people all over NL. The idea of nuclear plants in Nigeria at this point in time is ill advised and must be vigorously resisted.

The same Russians have been developing Ajaokuta since the early 70s and we all know that the project has become a boondoggle.

Locate the plant in the North and it becomes the greatest gift to BH terrorists, locate it in the SE and haters may use it to finally put a nail in the Biafran coffin, locate it in the SS and a crazy MEND terrorists can put it to very "good" use. An accident in such a plant located in the SW could wipe out thousands of good people of the SW.

GEJ might as well go ahead and drop bombs in "choice" locations across Nigeria so that we can go to reconstruction mode now, instead of postponing such to a few years after the first accident in a nuclear built 5 years from now. SMH

@Jakumo, bayoooooo, and others are very much on point.

ndu_chucks:

Pray tell, how are the fuel rods in these waterless nuclear plants cooled? Please stop deceiving people all over NL. The idea of nuclear plants in Nigeria at this point in time is ill advised and must be vigorously resisted.

Please do not be offended if before my reply, I say that it is a mark of foolishness to argue about things one has no knowlege of. Maybe you are foolish, or maybe you think you are setting id!ot traps in a vain attempt to snare those much smarter than you.

Dunce.

Educate yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_metal_cooled_reactor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas-cooled_fast_reactor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium-cooled_fast_reactor

There are many more nuclear reactor design types that do not need water, but those examples should be enough to make you jump up and slap yourself... Tawai!!!

ndu_chucks:

The same Russians have been developing Ajaokuta since the early 70s and we all know that the project has become a boondoggle.

Locate the plant in the North and it becomes the greatest gift to BH terrorists, locate it in the SE and haters may use it to finally put a nail in the Biafran coffin, locate it in the SS and a crazy MEND terrorists can put it to very "good" use. An accident in such a plant located in the SW could wipe out thousands of good people of the SW.

GEJ might as well go ahead and drop bombs in "choice" locations across Nigeria so that we can go to reconstruction mode now, instead of postponing such to a few years after the first accident in a nuclear built 5 years from now. SMH

@Jakumo, bayoooooo, and others are very much on point.

Crap.

If anyone ever comes up with a bigger collection of absolute nonsense than the above, they might as well apply for a place in the Guiness Book of Records.

Beaf:

Please do not be offended if before my reply, I say that it is a mark of foolishness to argue about things one has no knowlege of. Maybe you are foolish, or maybe you think you are setting id!ot traps in a vain attempt to snare those much smarter than you.

Educate yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_metal_cooled_reactor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas-cooled_fast_reactor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium-cooled_fast_reactor

Mallam Beaf just made me laugh so I will take it easy on him.

If water is a problem in your village where the nuclear plants and their reactors will be located, abeg where una go find the molten salt, liquified fluoride thorium, etc for una reactor?

BTW, you could have done better than wikipedia. I would have appreciate you posting graphics and sighting more reliable sources to support your post. What has happened to your zeal for graphics? Dude you are hilarious.

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lol! The sad effects of foot in mouth disease.

Next time, argue only about shiit you know (maybe stuff like counting stones); in fact, if you crank up your brain, you will realise that this is deja vu.

"Deja vu" happens to dunces, cos they never learn, bro. Lol!

If there is any truth at all to the rumor that Oga Beaf has a line of communication to the Nigerian presidency, I plead with him in the name of all the inhabitants of the Nigerian federation, and in the name of countless generations yet unborn, to prevail upon Jonathan Goodluck that it would be an infinitely safer option for Nigeria to explore any and all energy alternatives that do NOT entail the use of nuclear material.

The dangers of nuclear power enormously outweigh any benefits that its proponents would cite, and then there is the million year curse of nuclear waste that even the most advanced nations on Earth have NOT solved. All that spent radioactive waste MUST be sealed in containers that must NEVER leak for the rest of all time. That is a very tall order to fill by ANY standards, and one shudders to contemplate the fate of a Nigeria in which designated nuclear waste sites face the test of time, corrosion and the elements.

Nigeria is blessed with abundant sunshine from which vast solar power reserves can be tapped, while the sewage effluent from her burgeoning population can be converted into methane suitable to feed a nationwide network of gas-fired electricity generating turbines. Adding to those un-tapped sources of power the offshore wind-turbine farm potential, and there really is NO compelling reason to roll that radio-active nuclear dice, with the lives and very existence of so many present and future generations of Nigerians and West Africans at stake.

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Bro, sadly I have no line to GEJ.

As for nuclear waste, there are newer reactor designs that do not generate dangerous waste (breeder reactors), so that point is mute.

Yes, we can and should harness our abundant natural energy resources; sunshine, waste, wind, ocean etc, but none of these will give us the serious bang for buck we need in the energy sector; thats the crux of the matter. We need to be on an exponential development curve like since yesterday or the day before.

^^^

LOL at exponential development curve for a country with no top notch nuclear engineering program. I laugh in self annihilation. May be dem Chinese can do it for us at exorbitant price.

Viva La Chinko!!!

@Beaf,

You r a pathethic liar!

U cited half info just to favour your unethical side of ur argument as usual. Shifting sources to suit ur momentary satisfaction. Today u r citing wiki, tomorrow u will criticize another person citing wiki against u. If its not wiki, its Sahara reporters. Such a double faced worm.

I giv it to u dat u hav ideas about sciences, but sounding like an authority and insulting other non science oriented people is kind of foolishness u find among chalatans like u. Those who truly know take time to educate and don't dabbled about in unethical political sentiments. But it will b too much for me to think so highly of u as u r obviously alien to such character regime. Only a literate political jobberman who is directed by vain pangs of his belly and twitches between ur crotch is what u r...don't worry we know u so well.

Now to where u fouled, those coolant u cited r called primary coolants. In some plant processes u can have up to secondary and tertiary coolants. In nuclear plants, d primary coolant Is molten sodium or any of d above coolant u cited. "heavy water" is d secondary coolant used to cool d primary. It's basically water but due to its function has been exposed to heavy radiation from d molten sodium cooling d fuel rods. Then d tertiary coolant which is water is used to cool d heavy water, all these In closed heat Exchange system. Finally Is d open cooling using cooling towers (those massive concrete towers with vase-like look that r common in nuclear plant pix) which draws water from large water body to run its cycle.

Now u r the red-eyed and frothing mouthed shameless liar that needs to get himself slapped. And don't u dare go cite wiki for me on such subjects again or from any site where an oyibo has managed to type something online because u r not fit or qualified to assess my technical competence on such Issues. Neither r u in class of my peers dt can review my opinions on such. Not everybody is a political chalatan, u hear?

Ur Stupidity can sometimes be annoyingly unavoidable

Nigeria?

Nuclear power?

God forbid bad thing

Russia is good at certain things. But if you want to do nuclear power, partner with someone who has a track record of SAFETY.

France might be a good choice.

Not somebody who almost wiped out his entire country due to mistakes (Russia)

What about the Nuclear deal we supposedly signed with Iran some months ago? How did that one go? We also signed a power deal with Germany, and with US, and I believe India is the recent one. how did all that go?