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Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by Yahoo1(m): 4:37pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
alienvirus:...and thats what Christians will tell u too..do u tink reading d koran is fun,just like u luv reading d koran,we Christians love reading the Bible,... |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by bukatyne(f): 4:39pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
Please I Just Opened A Thread And I Need Answers [\b]why do muslims think that the Comforter Jesus Christ Promised is Mohammed?[\b] |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by bright007(f): 4:40pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
alienvirus:bros,hope if u watch jerry eating pork meat,allah will not be angry shaaa ooo!I also hope mohhamad will not be angry if u watch jerry go pig-hunting? 1 Like |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by Saxophemsy: 4:45pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
tbaba1234: ^Muslim means one who submits to God.... Did Jesus submit to God? your bible says he did many times... If that is the case, He is muslim....i've submited to God and am nt a muslim so review ur notion 4 Likes |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by alienvirus: 4:46pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
bukatyne: Please I Just Opened A Thread And I Need Answers [\b]why do muslims think that the Comforter Jesus Christ Promised is Mohammed?[\b] All you need to know is here. Stop wasting bandwidth. nairaland.com/995694/what-bible-say-muhammad |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by CHEUARIN: 4:47pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
Dear Muslims, why all these fanatics? Kindly educate me on the primary goal of Islam? Why is there war between Muslims the world over? Why sucuide bombings even in the mosques? Besides, is there marriage in Heaven: 72 virgin brainwashing? is your god holy? Can he behold iniquity/sexcapades? If he can, who then is your god married to? Where is Mohammad now? Married with 72 virgins, I guess? Some Iman has to find out this? Something does not just add up! Can't you see that anyone can form any religion and surely there will be followers like muslim faithfuls? Any way, I want to use the following simple questions to help you out of dilusion/illusion! Just search for answers with fairness: Is there One true God and many fake gods? Who is Jehovah? Who is Jesus Christ? Where did He come from? Did Jesus truly heal the sick, raised the dead, cast out demons, etc? Did Jesus actually resurrect after revealing His death? Are there evidence of Jesus' reign/impact on earth? Did Jesus act in the capacity and authority of God Almighty (the only true God)? Where is Jesus now? Do you believe that without an original in place, there is no fake? Are genuine Christains following Jesus' footsteps? Is Heaven the abode of only true God? Is there any earthly practise such as marriage and eating/drinking in Heaven? Is there Hell? Where is the abode of the father of deception: Satan? Who will be in Heaven with the Holy and only true God? Who will occupy hell? I found the answers to these questions and hence remain firmly rooted as a CHRIST-follower (Christain) until Jesus comes again! He who wants to go to hell can register anywhere he likes but not in Christainity. Thanks folks and see you in Heaven if you are raptureable! 3 Likes |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by aryzgreat: 4:47pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
yommy2sure: The biggest inconsistency I found with this Islam is that at least according to the preserved religious books there is agreement that Adam, Abrham, Noah, Lot, David, Solomon etc then Jesus all have Jewish origin then all of a sudden the comforter of the Jews and indeed all mankind after Jesus chose abi God chose him to come from Arab. Thats exactly where the linear graph took some sharp bend called Islam! May God bless u 100 times infact i was about writting this, how come the jewish prophets linear graph all of a sudden swerve towards arab? hmmm! How come jesus was talking about an "arab comforter" dat is miles away. Does Jesus have any similarity with muhaMAD? how did muhaMAD comfort d world? with bombs and be-heading? Jesus told peter, "peter on u i will build my church, d gates of hell shall NEVER prevail against it, so if Jesus was talking about muhaMAD as d comforter to come after him and bring islamaBAD, does it mean Jesus was contradicting himself by telling his disciples dat his church can NEVER succumb to d gate of hell nd islam inclusive? 1 Like |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by BrutusOj(m): 4:47pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
kaytytty: i do nt blame d christians because their religion allows them to practice same sex marriage such as lesbianism and gay,it also gives right to prostitution,it also does nt support early marriage but it support casual sex well am nt suprised it was a religion introduced after a long reign of slavery so their souls re enslaved n yet they rejoice in immorality n still they claim they want to b like christ.And nairaland had it last week dat comercial sex workers(ashewo)prostitutes complained dat dia business no longer boom cos of ramadam,meanin dat u n ur muslim brodas patronise dem most.Even if muhamed is oportuned to rise up again,I wu stil not join islam.cos I hate shielding blood 3 Likes |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by alienvirus: 4:49pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
bright007: bros,hope if u watch jerry eating pork meat,allah will not be angry shaaa ooo!I also hope mohhamad will not be angry if u watch jerry go pig-hunting? bright007: bros,hope if u watch jerry eating pork meat,allah will not be angry shaaa ooo!I also hope mohhamad will not be angry if u watch jerry go pig-hunting? Oh no, I hate eating pork! Do you eat that dirty thing? You must be disgusting. |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by bright007(f): 4:55pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
alienvirus:Now tell us d truth:Do u hate eating pork or Allah told u not to eat it? Here is my first question:Will allah be angry if u watch tom and jerry eating pork? Also will Allah be angry if u buy å pig toy for ur child? 2 Likes |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by DBen2: 4:58pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
Muslims in d east r not been marginalised though they r very few in no. Compare to christians ,I know I have meet a commissioner in one of the eastern states,in nsuka igbo moslems population is high .I think we shd focus on personal relationship with people around us not religion ,as a christian I am happy with it but if u relate with gd moslems u will never regret it and they r very honest. The perception of islam in the east is not encouraging though I believe is as a result of frequent crisis in d north wc mainly igbos r victims and northern part is mainly islam . |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by alienvirus: 4:58pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
I hate eating it. Now to you, do u like eating human beings? |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by Yahoo1(m): 5:00pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
A Christian will go out and preach the gospel,he or she wuld preach repentance; accept Jesus christ as ur Lord and personal saviour...seek ye first the kigdom of God,and every other thing shall be added onto you! ,but i do kn that muslim dont just preach repentance,they preach acceptance of islam...does that mean if u accept the religion,then you are guaranteed d Kindgom of God! U worship d true God? Rili? You say d Bible is full of false writtings? Wow....your koran was written by God ryt?...for all i kn koran was written by a human being...who evidently proven committed a lot of sin,killing is a sin ryt?...well mohammed killed! When will u muslims stop acting so self righteous,accepting islam is not an achievement,you are enitled 2 your belief,yeah you can preach that,but in Nigeria in case u dont kn,its a federal state,with diverse opinions,cultures and ethnic groups,...i tink its outrageous 2 wash ur private part b4 u enta a mosque.. 2 Likes |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by sampeter(m): 5:04pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
Taking an objective view of the two 'scriptures'(Bible and Quran) and the two persons (Jesus christ and Mohammed) critically, one would no doubt glean the following: 1. Jesus christ advocate PEACE unconditionally, laying copious emphasis on forgiveness, love, kindness and other virtues as a must to qualify as his follower, But Mohammed emphasis intolerance forceful conquest, and other antisocial conducts, and his own peace is meant to be amongst muslims and not to others. And, on a closer look Islam is synonymous with barbarism and savage, hence it is struggling with mainstreaming in this 21st century and waning with time. I know it wont see the lyt of 23rd century if Jesus tarries, cos then all would have seen the Light. Jesus Christ is THE WAY no controversy. 2 Likes |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by Saxophemsy: 5:07pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
Wizeboy:why make erroneous quotes? Jesus promised the spirit of truth(holy ghost), is muhammad a spirit? 4 Likes |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by talk2me006(m): 5:15pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
odumchi: Islam has failed to maintain a good image in the east for many reasons most important of which being the Nigerian-Biafran war.If u like go hug transformer! ISLAM wil dominate d world weather u like it or not. if u disagree let set d battling line btw u and d owner of that islam. |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by aryzgreat: 5:16pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
Like his Bedouin contemporaries, Muhammad believed in shadowy beings and ghosts. These mythical creatures were known as Jinn. Muhammad spoke extensively about jinns. He told his followers that jinns were made of fire. They stand on each other’s shoulders all the way to heaven to eavesdrop to the conversation of the “exalted assembly” (mala-e a’la). Exalted Assembly, or Assembly of high was a term used by Sumerians to refer to the ancient reunion of gods representing the Sumerian pantheons, presided over by An and Enlil. Muhammad believed that meteorites are missiles thrown by angels to deter jinns from eavesdropping. MuhaMAD was a fairytale master. he postulated the earth was flat low and behold, scientists proved him wrong.... |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by mshd5: 5:28pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
[quote author=Sweetnecta]we have to accept that christianity was not the first religion of the igbos. paganism was. i am guessing when christianity began to creep in, there were back room talks of it being foreign, not natural to the igbo animist spirit. and today, the igbos are calling themselves christian people. i need to let you guys know that there are igbo muslims on nairaland and they are not seeking contracts or favors from any nigerians. i know igbo muslims in my own life, members of my family. islam will enter igbo blood whether you are ready for it or not. it will both home and abroad, abroad meaning "far away land". the civil war headed Gowon for the Nigerian Government and Ojukwu for the part that wanted to leave the union. Both men were christians! to me, it was christian war, through and through and i was alive then, unlike those who the incident was related to. Bayo can laugh all the way, until he is shocked to the truth from God. if noblezone thinks islam always turns violent a. May Allah increase u in knwledge n wisdom |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by tonadoes: 5:35pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
I did enjoy dis trend, quite educative. All tanx 2 Vemmawealth, Sweetnecta and co. Any wise person wld hav seen wer d truth lies after dis long debates. In all we shd learn 2 tolerate one another |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by adezjamz(m): 5:39pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
odumchi: Islam has failed to maintain a good image in the east for many reasons most important of which being the Nigerian-Biafran war.so how come hausa xtian exist? d major prob of u igbos is dat u are unidirectional in ur thinking. even if d door of d paradise is open 4 a fool to c, surely if will miss d way 2 it. datz y many of ur leaders had failed u including d current failure of d nation. May God show u d way. 1 Like |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by Ebeau: 5:55pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
vemmawealth: the worst of mankind must be the one who thinks he knows when actually he knows nothing. oh, so u think u are in the better position to translate the Qur'an to Muslims? u'r making a big mistake. and btw, does that make u feel better about christianity. that sure is. your insecurity keeps you going all around finding faults about Islam. Mind you, Allah says, "Today I have perfected your religion for you, and completed My grace upon you, and approved Islam as your religion." #andnothingmore |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by aryzgreat: 5:58pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
many muslims are leaving IslamaBAD but are scared of death |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by aribisala0(m): 6:08pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
aryzgreat:This is very true but is equally true for the Christians with many similar tales like Jesus ascending UP into heaven. Or a voice from above (HEAVEN) declaring this is my believed son. Tales as ridiculous as they would be now were accepted as Gospel back then. tales of Jesus casting out demons of madness and sending them into herds of swine. In short both of them were filled with Ogogoro !! Just imagine if any of those two jokers was around today?? |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by aryzgreat: 6:14pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
All four Gospels say that Jesus was crucified. The story of his crucifixion is given in detail in Mark 15. 21-41; Matt. 27.32-44; Luke 23. 26-43 and John 19. 17-27, Despite this the Quran says Jesus was not crucified. Instead, his resemblance was put over another man (Remember Mission Impossible? Must have been something like that.) and it was that person who was crucified. “And because of their saying (in boast), ‘We killed Messiah ‘Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh,’ – but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of ‘Isa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) But Allâh raised him ['Isa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allâh is Ever AllPowerful, AllWise. )” (Q.4:157-158) Muslims apologists have defended this Quranic error. The Encyclopaedia of Islam writes: The denial, furthermore, is in perfect agreement with the logic of the Qur’an. The Biblical stories reproduced in it (e.g., Job, Moses, Joseph etc.) and the episodes relating to the history of the beginning of Islam demonstrate that it is “God’s practice” (sunnat Allah) to make faith triumph finally over the forces of evil and adversity. “So truly with hardship comes ease”, (XCIV, 5, 6). For Jesus to die on the cross would have meant the triumph of his executioners; but the Quran asserts that they undoubtedly failed: Assuredly God will defend those who believe”; (XXII, 49). He confounds the plots of the enemies of Christ (III, 54). Althoguh most Muslims believe Jesus was raised to heaven alive, a small minority of them, mainly Ahmadi Muslim, say he was indeed rescued but died before his ascension. Mahmoud Ayoub says, The Qur’an is not here speaking about a man, righteous and wronged though he may be, but about the Word of God who was sent to earth and returned to God. Thus the denial of killing of Jesus is a denial of the power of men to vanquish and destroy the divine Word, which is forever victorious.” A problem with this story is the fact that it implies that God is unjust. He tricks people by replacing Jesus with someone else. Isn’t that injustice to that victim? Why would not God save Jesus without playing tricks and sacrificing someone else in his place? It also implies that God is weak. Playing tricks is what the weak does. Why this discrepancy? Why would Muhammad say something that is contrary to all Gospels? It is because Muhammad’s knowledge of the Scriptures was based on hearsay. He personally had not read the Bible. At the time of Muhammad, the Christians of the Northern Arabia and Damascus were Nestorian. They thought that it is impossible to kill the Son of God. Based on this belief they had developed a doctrine that maintained God must have tricked the Pharisees and the person who was crucified must have been someone else who took the resemblance of Jesus. This is how Muhammad came to know about the story of crucifixion. Even though he could read, he was not fond of books and learning. Narcissists think they know everything, and there is nothing anyone can teach them. There are numerous verses that show Muhammad had very little understanding of the Bible. While listening to Christian preachers, particularly in the market of Okaz, during his youth, he heard many Bibilical stories, but because he did not read that book personally, he confused many of its events and protagonists. One example of those confusions is the story of Samaritans and Moses where Muhammad places the Samaritans at the time of Moses when such people had not existed at that time. Another blunder is when he confuses Mary, mother of Jesus with Miriam, sister of Aaron and Moses. These two women lived 1500 years apart. The Quran says. “She brought (the babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms), They said: “O Mary! Truly a strange thing has thou brought! “O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste!” Q. 19:27-28 This error is repeated in verse 66:12 where Muhammad calls Mary, daughter of `Imran. The reason for this blunder is because Mary and Miriam are both translated in Arabic as Maryam. The unlettered prophet pretender heard Jesus’ mother was Maryam and also Aarron’s sister was called Maryam. He thought the two are one and the same. There is evidence to suggest he could read. It is unlikely that Abdul Muttalib would not send him to maktab (school). However, it is also clear that Muhammad was not in love of books. His knowledge about everything, including the Bible is superficial and sketchy MuhaMAD did expo! grab bible by hearsay, grab Torah abraham history and call it koran and claim allah spoke to him about koran. 1 Like |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by khan2012: 6:19pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
Ebeau:Pls U Muslims should answer my question. Why do u like converting people by force? I have been reading this thread and dont seem to get the fight over supremacy of one religion over another. I'm not interested in the supremacy of one religion over another, I I'm only interested in the fundamental human rights of every individual to worship any God or god they so desire without threat to their life by others. I therefore wish to direct my question more to my Muslim brethrens especially the likes of @Sweetnecta, @Wizeboy etc, 1. Why is it that it is Islam that is highly intolerant of people freely converting to other religions and can go to the extent of issuing fatwa on converts or so called blasphemers, even honour killings by family member? 2. Why is it that Muslims always find it hard to co-habit with people of other religions, they come in settle quietly, but over time, when they grow in number, they begin to cause violent activities? E.g in Burma, in India, Russia and so on. (You may want to justify this one). Though i always say that 'if every muslim can be like the yoruba muslims, there will be relative peace in the world'. In yoruba family, you can find an Immam father and a pastor son and they co-habit peacefully, but same cannot be said of northerners or arab muslims where it seems intolerance is the order of the day as well as indoctrination even from childhood. 3. Why do Muslims always hide under the guise of Islam to term the western world Christians and therefore declare Jihad on non-muslims? Cos the truth is that the fact that former President Bush is a Christian or America and Britain Christian dominated countries does not mean that they are fighting terrorists in the name of Christianity or any other religion. So why does Muslims always incite hatred against Christians when world leaders take political decisions? 4. Agreed that violence is not only limited to Islam, but what I see everyday points to the fact that Islam is akin to violence. Dont get me wrong, i have a lot of Muslim friends and they surely are peaceful, but it seems there is an aspect of Islamic teaching to which when twisted tend to turn people violent and intolerant of other religions. 5. Finally, I know that there are extremests in different religions, but why is it that Islam tend to be the religion with most violence and intolerant of other religions. E.g, Moslems are allowed to practice their religion in the western and non-muslim world to a great extent, but same cannot be said of Muslim countries allowing freedom of other religions in Muslim dominated countries. Instead they resort to calling non-muslims condescending names like pigs and people of the book. Non-muslims are not allowed to practice freely in muslim dominated countries and are always under constant threat both by the masses and government. Non-muslims are highly marginalized. I will like an answer to all these and why Muslims are o.k with people converting from other religions to Islam, but not the other way round. I believe people should have the right to live their life the way they so choose, but Islam seem not to agree with that. God says vengeance is mine, but in Islam it seems Muslims always want to physically fight for God and forcefully convert people, hence the logical reason they are growing cos people are afraid to die. There are many world religions as we know it today, but Islam is the one most associated with violence and bloodshed. 1 Like |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by Onlytruth(m): 6:20pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
The fact remains that Igbo are Christians because Christianity makes sense to them and "marries" into Igbo natural worldview and belief system. Igbo have long believed in "Egbe bere Ugo bere"(let the kite perch and let the eagle perch too-live and let live) even before Christianity set foot in Igboland. Islam does not truly believe in Egbe bere ugo bere. It spread mainly through jihadic conquests. Islam is charged to propagate by violence, and that strikes at the CORE of the Igbo spirit of free choice and egalitarianism. To me, an Igbo who say he is a Moslem is like a sheep who thinks that by hunting and eating meat with lions long enough he could become a canivore. Islam is predominantly in the Arab and semi-arab worlds for a reason. The Spaniards fought the Moors constantly for 700 years and in the end kicked them out of Spain. Today, Spain is a Christian country. They could have become Muslims, but they are not. lol The same basic rejection of Islam by the Spaniards is type of a basic rejection of Islam by the Igbo. The rejection is natural and basic. Onye Igbo would rather revert to traditional African beliefs than convert en masse to Islam. Such mass conversion will NEVER happen in Igboland, even in a 1000 years. So, I go with those who say that about 9.99% of the so called Igbo Muslims are actually contract seekers and business deals men. 2 Likes |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by khan2012: 6:23pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
tonadoes: I did enjoy dis trend, quite educative. All tanx 2 Vemmawealth, Sweetnecta and co. Any wise person wld hav seen wer d truth lies after dis long debates. In all we shd learn 2 tolerate one anotherpls wht is the truth? why does Islam force people to convert and issue fatwa on people that denounce Islam? |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by Nobody: 6:25pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
Islam, Moslem. I dey laugh ooo |
Re: The Challenges Of Igbo Muslims by Nobody: 6:25pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
@aryzgreat. See what Years of brainwashing can do to a human being. how dare you accuse islam of beleiving in spirits. May be you meant christianity. Muslims beleive in the Existence of Jinns (spirits).but we dont worship them. But christians worship spirit/ghost called holy ghost. This is a universally known fact |
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