talk2me006:
If u like go hug transformer!
ISLAM wil dominate d world weather u like it or not.
if u disagree let set d battling line btw u and d owner of that islam.

This is the problem I have with Islam, everything is by force, conversion is by force, see how you are talking with authority as if people dont have right to choose what to worship. This is the reason Somalia is burning in the name of Islam. I don't know of any so called Christian country that kill or send people to jail for converting to Islam or denouncing Christianity, but one dare not leave Islam for any other religion otherwise he will be killed.
I'm for freedom of religion, no religion is superior to the other. I still need answers to my many questions about Islam, please respond. Thank you.

No sane person on seeing and hearing what is happening in the world now would love to become a muslim. My wife was a Muslim not until she saw the light and became a christian. You have y

yommy2sure: The biggest inconsistency I found with this Islam is that at least according to the preserved religious books there is agreement that Adam, Abrham, Noah, Lot, David, Solomon etc then Jesus all have Jewish origin then all of a sudden the comforter of the Jews and indeed all mankind after Jesus chose abi God chose him to come from Arab. Thats exactly where the linear graph took some sharp bend called Islam!

My Muslim brother, before you come with your bow and arrow, I LOVE YOU DONT GO TO HELL, SERVE THE TRUE GOD. Avoid the devil and ITS Mechanisim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RAT9KChzdtA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=p67IZrj312Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xdVnILalpeo

Ndata: Chuckles and takes a temporary leave.Will be back later.

Allah is with u surely u wil c d way tru an make it islam 4 life

Mee234: The problem with muslems is that u guys hold ur wrong motion with strong conviction. I read sm1 saying Jesus is a muslem. Have aby of u ever take time to out about islam and the pre-arab muslems?

OH ARE U SUPRISED? JESUS IS OF COUSE A TRUE MUSLIM BECOUSE ALL HIS LIFE HE NEVER ASSOCIATED HIM SELF AS GOD. HE ALWAYS PREACH ONENESS OF GOD AS MOHAMMED DID.

some prominent igbo muslims:

The story of the propagation of Islam in Igboland would not be complete without mentioning some prominent Igbo Muslim leaders. Most prominent was the late Alhaji Suleiman Onyeama who until his death several years ago was the chairman of the Jama’atul Nasril Islamiyya (Society for the Victory of Islam) of Enugu State. Currently, two of the most well known Igbo Muslims are Alhaji Abdulaziz Ude and Alhaji Yahaya Ndu (Nnorom 2003). The latter from Ezeagu Local Government Area of Enugu State was the Presidential Candidate of the African Renaissance Party (ARP) in 2003. The Chief Imam of the mosque at the University of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) is Sheik Adamu Abdullahi Idoko from Nsukka. Nsukka is reputed to be the key base of Islamic expansionism in Igboland (Nnorom 2003). Then Alhaji Dauda Oneagocha is the Chief Imam of the Owerri main mosque in Imo State, which is located near the Government House.

http://www.egodiuchendu.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54:igbo-culture-and-the-prospects-of-islam-in-eastern-nigeria&catid=5:papers&Itemid=11

Wizeboy:
The more you talk the more you show how ignorant you are, I ask you so many question in my last post, but you refuse to answer any of the questions ask, instead you jump on another false and erroneous conclusion. I believe you dont really know what you are saying. I told you not to abuse the prophet but you refuse and start saying nonsense to the prophet which your Bible even confirm.

Now I want you to clarify some of your Bible verses for me. If you didnt clarify this Bible verse this time around, I will assume you are confused and dont know what you are saying (and I will end this discussion here without replying you again).

YOUR BIBLE CONFIRM THE COMING OF PROPHET MUHAMMED

Read the following Bible verse which Jesus said and answer a simple question that follow:

John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever"

John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me"

John 14:26 "But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."

1. Who is the Comforter being referred to by JESUS
2. he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself but what he shall hear (that) shall he speak and he will shew you things to come (Can you deny the fact now that Prophet Muhammed is been sent by it was confirmed by JESUS).


JESUS said he will guide you into all truth (Who is he really referring to?):

In the above verses Jesus (peace be upon him) is quoted as saying "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth." What does Jesus (peace be upon him) mean by "ye cannot bear them now"? If we were to read the Bible, we would find many verses throughout the Bible wherein Jesus (peace be upon him) bemoans the lack of understanding he was constantly greeted with from his disciples throughout his ministry:

"And he(Jesus) saith unto them(the disciples).....O ye of little faith." (Matthew 8:26)

"...and (Jesus) said unto him(Peter), O thou of little faith." (Matthew 14:31)

"he (Jesus) said unto them(the disciples), O ye of little faith." (Matthew 16:

"And he(Jesus) said unto them(the disciples), Where is your faith?" (Luke 8:25)

Notice that these are not common Jews who he is saying these words to, but his own elect disciples. The Bible vividly illustrates how he is constantly going out of his way to simplify matters for them and to speak to them as one speaks to little children. However, even at that, they still misunderstand. He is finally driven to frustration and made to say:

"And Jesus said, Are ye even yet without understanding?" (Matthew 15:16)

and "And Jesus answering said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you, and suffer you?" (Luke 9:41)


HE SHALL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF

"For he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak:" This too is an interesting statement. It reminds us of the verses of Deuteronomy 18:18-19

" I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him." (Deuteronomy 18:18-19)

It is also interesting to read the words of the Qur'an:
"Nor does he (Muhammad) speak of his own desire. It is but an Inspiration that is inspired [unto him]" (The noble Qur'an, Al-Najm(53):3-4)


Let me conclude this section with the following quotation from the Gospel of John:

"These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me. But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you. But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you[i][/i]; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you." (John 16:1-15)

YOUR RELIGION REFUSE TO FOLLOW GOD'S WORD

"Isaiah 65:3 They keep making me angry by sneering at me, while offering sacrifices to idols in gardens and burning incense to them on bricks. (4)They spend their nights hiding in burial caves; they eat the meat of pigs, cooked in sauces made of stuff unfit to eat. (5) And then they say to others, "Don't come near us! We're dedicated to God." Such people are like smoke, irritating my nose all day." (CEV Bible, Isaiah 65:3-5)

Here we see that the pork eaters are so detested by GOD Almighty that He likened them to smoke irritating His Nose all day. This is a very powerful statement regarding eating pork and how detestable it is to GOD Almighty in the Bible. Read further in this chapter:

"12 Your luck will end! I will see to it that you are slaughtered with swords. You refused to answer when I called out; you paid no attention to my instructions. Instead, you did what I hated, knowing it was wrong." (CEV Bible, Isaiah 65:12)

Again, here we see GOD Almighty supposedly affirming that eating pig's meat is something he hates. We further read in this chapter:

"15I, the LORD God, promise to see that you are killed and that my chosen servants use your names as curse words. But I will give new names to my servants. 16I am God! I can be trusted. Your past troubles are gone; I no longer think of them. When you pray for someone to receive a blessing, or when you make a promise, you must do it in my name. I alone am the God who can be trusted." (CEV Bible, Isaiah 65:15-16)

Christians pray to Jesus and seek Jesus, a mere creation of GOD Almighty, for blessings, forgiveness, guidance and mercy. Yet, Isaiah 65:16 strictly prohibits this. (Did you abide by this rule?)

The Bible's overwhelming corruption, even according to it's own theologians!

The Bible's books and gospels, according to its own translators and theologians, were

1. Written by mysterious men.
2. Written by an unknown number of men.
3. Written in unknown places.
4. Written in unknown dates.

5. Paul never even met Jesus Christ in person while the latter was on earth. It is falsely claimed that Jesus appeared to Paul while Paul was on his way to Damascus after the "crucifixion" (Acts 9:2-4. Note: Paul's name used to be Saul. Yet, Paul admittedly wasn't even sure whether the Holy Spirit was inspirning him or not).

6. None of the disciples, even in the false writings attributed to them, ever claimed that their writings were inspired or Divine. Not only that, but we even ironically see that:

Luke for instance, wrote his "gospel" for the sake of another person and not GOD Almighty. See below for details.
The disciples even fought with each others
We read about direct invitations to dinner and other occasions between the disciples in the "books" [1].
According to the commentaries below, all of the books of the bible were altered and corrupted.

The Bible's own theologians even admit that the bible contains "fictions", its original manuscripts "had been lost", and contains "fairy tails and fables".

And, it is also an indisputable fact that the Bible:

Is filled with ample contradictions, man's alterations, corruption, and false scientific absurdities.

Is written in third-party narrations, which is why we find in all of the gospels' titles "This gospel according to....", and countless verses that speak about the disciples and about their activities in third-party narrations, which proves that the books and gospels were certainly not written by them.

This also means that much gossips and exaggerations and fabrications were made up and inserted into the books and gospels. So even if, for instance, some people back then thought that Jesus was crucified, they in reality never actually saw it. It could very well be that they've only heard about it from a neighboring town and believed it. There are certainly in the books and gospels:

Too much gossips.

Too wide of date gaps by the decades between when the supposed event took place and when it was actually written, by hand, in the corrupt gospels.

Too many unknown people wrote the stories.

Too many Prophecies in the Old Testament that promise that Jesus Christ, the Messiah, will be saved from the crucifixion.

Too many mistranslations and desperate misinterpretations in Isaiah 53 and elsewhere.

This also means that the books and gospels were definitely not inspired by GOD Almighty. Paul, again, even admits that he had his delusions and doubts.

Again, Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran: "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: "This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"

Please read more of this on: http://www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_65_and_66_declare_christianity_false.htm

FINALLY, though you gave me one video. Let me give you some link on how millions of Christians in the West are converting to Islam everyday:

http://www.google.com.ng/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D2NzR4BeEYXU&rct=j&sa=X&ei=m6MbUPjeDcOFhQe2-YHQCw&ved=0CGYQuAIwBQ&q=Christians+that+convert+to+Islam+from+2011&usg=AFQjCNHb1Z6Xh13Wo5bhBKFEmDlqPVGNAA

http://www.google.com.ng/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DaaLu6XqIfpw&rct=j&sa=X&ei=m6MbUPjeDcOFhQe2-YHQCw&ved=0CE4QuAIwAQ&q=Christians+that+convert+to+Islam+from+2011&usg=AFQjCNEOPGKhGvetkc2Z9nklZob4yy2kpA

http://www.google.com.ng/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DoD3ZIqbx4Zs&rct=j&sa=X&ei=m6MbUPjeDcOFhQe2-YHQCw&ved=0CGAQuAIwBA&q=Christians+that+convert+to+Islam+from+2011&usg=AFQjCNFOhaNHraK_Yr6QvA6Vf7UtZtFBSQ

On a final point, you could see that throughout my analysis, I didnt in anyway abuse ISA (JESUS) as we believe is one of our prophet and I will like you maintain that tempo, after reading this and you want to reply me. Please take note that I will only reply to your next comment if only:

1. You answer some questions which I ask you in this comment
2. Make your comment without abusing any prophet
3. And be more polite in your analysis, if not, I wouldnt reply your comment again.

The Bible they are reading today is the revised standard version; men hav revised supposed word of God!The Bible was revised - no controversy. So, the Bible of today is not the bible in use before the revision. Now, which is the "word of God" since the former version has been changed and the RSV contain new additions? If the RSV is the "word of God", then what Christians were reading before the RSV was word of man. U can see why many of what u read in the bible today is suspect and u should not be surprised if the RSV is again altered so that u may hav "New Revised Standard Version". Fact is:the Bible contains lots of word of man being palmed of as from God.

Wizeboy:
The more you talk the more you show how ignorant you are, I ask you so many question in my last post, but you refuse to answer any of the questions ask, instead you jump on another false and erroneous conclusion. I believe you dont really know what you are saying. I told you not to abuse the prophet but you refuse and start saying nonsense to the prophet which your Bible even confirm.

Now I want you to clarify some of your Bible verses for me. If you didnt clarify this Bible verse this time around, I will assume you are confused and dont know what you are saying (and I will end this discussion here without replying you again).

YOUR BIBLE CONFIRM THE COMING OF PROPHET MUHAMMED

Read the following Bible verse which Jesus said and answer a simple question that follow:

John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever"

John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me"

John 14:26 "But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."

1. Who is the Comforter being referred to by JESUS
2. he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself but what he shall hear (that) shall he speak and he will shew you things to come (Can you deny the fact now that Prophet Muhammed is been sent by it was confirmed by JESUS).


JESUS said he will guide you into all truth (Who is he really referring to?):

In the above verses Jesus (peace be upon him) is quoted as saying "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth." What does Jesus (peace be upon him) mean by "ye cannot bear them now"? If we were to read the Bible, we would find many verses throughout the Bible wherein Jesus (peace be upon him) bemoans the lack of understanding he was constantly greeted with from his disciples throughout his ministry:

"And he(Jesus) saith unto them(the disciples).....O ye of little faith." (Matthew 8:26)

"...and (Jesus) said unto him(Peter), O thou of little faith." (Matthew 14:31)

"he (Jesus) said unto them(the disciples), O ye of little faith." (Matthew 16:

"And he(Jesus) said unto them(the disciples), Where is your faith?" (Luke 8:25)

Notice that these are not common Jews who he is saying these words to, but his own elect disciples. The Bible vividly illustrates how he is constantly going out of his way to simplify matters for them and to speak to them as one speaks to little children. However, even at that, they still misunderstand. He is finally driven to frustration and made to say:

"And Jesus said, Are ye even yet without understanding?" (Matthew 15:16)

and "And Jesus answering said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you, and suffer you?" (Luke 9:41)


HE SHALL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF

"For he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak:" This too is an interesting statement. It reminds us of the verses of Deuteronomy 18:18-19

" I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him." (Deuteronomy 18:18-19)

It is also interesting to read the words of the Qur'an:
"Nor does he (Muhammad) speak of his own desire. It is but an Inspiration that is inspired [unto him]" (The noble Qur'an, Al-Najm(53):3-4)


Let me conclude this section with the following quotation from the Gospel of John:

"These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me. But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you. But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you[i][/i]; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you." (John 16:1-15)

YOUR RELIGION REFUSE TO FOLLOW GOD'S WORD

"Isaiah 65:3 They keep making me angry by sneering at me, while offering sacrifices to idols in gardens and burning incense to them on bricks. (4)They spend their nights hiding in burial caves; they eat the meat of pigs, cooked in sauces made of stuff unfit to eat. (5) And then they say to others, "Don't come near us! We're dedicated to God." Such people are like smoke, irritating my nose all day." (CEV Bible, Isaiah 65:3-5)

Here we see that the pork eaters are so detested by GOD Almighty that He likened them to smoke irritating His Nose all day. This is a very powerful statement regarding eating pork and how detestable it is to GOD Almighty in the Bible. Read further in this chapter:

"12 Your luck will end! I will see to it that you are slaughtered with swords. You refused to answer when I called out; you paid no attention to my instructions. Instead, you did what I hated, knowing it was wrong." (CEV Bible, Isaiah 65:12)

Again, here we see GOD Almighty supposedly affirming that eating pig's meat is something he hates. We further read in this chapter:

"15I, the LORD God, promise to see that you are killed and that my chosen servants use your names as curse words. But I will give new names to my servants. 16I am God! I can be trusted. Your past troubles are gone; I no longer think of them. When you pray for someone to receive a blessing, or when you make a promise, you must do it in my name. I alone am the God who can be trusted." (CEV Bible, Isaiah 65:15-16)

Christians pray to Jesus and seek Jesus, a mere creation of GOD Almighty, for blessings, forgiveness, guidance and mercy. Yet, Isaiah 65:16 strictly prohibits this. (Did you abide by this rule?)

The Bible's overwhelming corruption, even according to it's own theologians!

The Bible's books and gospels, according to its own translators and theologians, were

1. Written by mysterious men.
2. Written by an unknown number of men.
3. Written in unknown places.
4. Written in unknown dates.

5. Paul never even met Jesus Christ in person while the latter was on earth. It is falsely claimed that Jesus appeared to Paul while Paul was on his way to Damascus after the "crucifixion" (Acts 9:2-4. Note: Paul's name used to be Saul. Yet, Paul admittedly wasn't even sure whether the Holy Spirit was inspirning him or not).

6. None of the disciples, even in the false writings attributed to them, ever claimed that their writings were inspired or Divine. Not only that, but we even ironically see that:

Luke for instance, wrote his "gospel" for the sake of another person and not GOD Almighty. See below for details.
The disciples even fought with each others
We read about direct invitations to dinner and other occasions between the disciples in the "books" [1].
According to the commentaries below, all of the books of the bible were altered and corrupted.

The Bible's own theologians even admit that the bible contains "fictions", its original manuscripts "had been lost", and contains "fairy tails and fables".

And, it is also an indisputable fact that the Bible:

Is filled with ample contradictions, man's alterations, corruption, and false scientific absurdities.

Is written in third-party narrations, which is why we find in all of the gospels' titles "This gospel according to....", and countless verses that speak about the disciples and about their activities in third-party narrations, which proves that the books and gospels were certainly not written by them.

This also means that much gossips and exaggerations and fabrications were made up and inserted into the books and gospels. So even if, for instance, some people back then thought that Jesus was crucified, they in reality never actually saw it. It could very well be that they've only heard about it from a neighboring town and believed it. There are certainly in the books and gospels:

Too much gossips.

Too wide of date gaps by the decades between when the supposed event took place and when it was actually written, by hand, in the corrupt gospels.

Too many unknown people wrote the stories.

Too many Prophecies in the Old Testament that promise that Jesus Christ, the Messiah, will be saved from the crucifixion.

Too many mistranslations and desperate misinterpretations in Isaiah 53 and elsewhere.

This also means that the books and gospels were definitely not inspired by GOD Almighty. Paul, again, even admits that he had his delusions and doubts.

Again, Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran: "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: "This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"

Please read more of this on: http://www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_65_and_66_declare_christianity_false.htm

FINALLY, though you gave me one video. Let me give you some link on how millions of Christians in the West are converting to Islam everyday:

http://www.google.com.ng/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D2NzR4BeEYXU&rct=j&sa=X&ei=m6MbUPjeDcOFhQe2-YHQCw&ved=0CGYQuAIwBQ&q=Christians+that+convert+to+Islam+from+2011&usg=AFQjCNHb1Z6Xh13Wo5bhBKFEmDlqPVGNAA

http://www.google.com.ng/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DaaLu6XqIfpw&rct=j&sa=X&ei=m6MbUPjeDcOFhQe2-YHQCw&ved=0CE4QuAIwAQ&q=Christians+that+convert+to+Islam+from+2011&usg=AFQjCNEOPGKhGvetkc2Z9nklZob4yy2kpA

http://www.google.com.ng/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DoD3ZIqbx4Zs&rct=j&sa=X&ei=m6MbUPjeDcOFhQe2-YHQCw&ved=0CGAQuAIwBA&q=Christians+that+convert+to+Islam+from+2011&usg=AFQjCNFOhaNHraK_Yr6QvA6Vf7UtZtFBSQ

On a final point, you could see that throughout my analysis, I didnt in anyway abuse ISA (JESUS) as we believe is one of our prophet and I will like you maintain that tempo, after reading this and you want to reply me. Please take note that I will only reply to your next comment if only:

1. You answer some questions which I ask you in this comment
2. Make your comment without abusing any prophet
3. And be more polite in your analysis, if not, I wouldnt reply your comment again.

The Bible they are reading today is the revised standard version; men hav revised supposed word of God!The Bible was revised - no controversy. So, the Bible of today is not the bible in use before the revision. Now, which is the "word of God" since the former version has been changed and the RSV contain new additions? If the RSV is the "word of God", then what Christians were reading before the RSV was word of man. U can see why many of what u read in the bible today is suspect and u should not be surprised if the RSV is again altered so that u may hav "New Revised Standard Version". Fact is:the Bible contains lots of word of man being palmed of as from God.

Faraidi: you are truely a bastard and a lost soul

Pls my questions are still pending, i need a Muslim's answer like you.


[b]I have been reading this thread and dont seem to get the fight over supremacy of one religion over another. I'm not interested in the supremacy of one religion over another, I I'm only interested in the fundamental human rights of every individual to worship any God or god they so desire without threat to their life by others. I therefore wish to direct my question more to my Muslim brethrens especially the likes of @Sweetnecta, @Wizeboy etc,
1. Why is it that it is Islam that is highly intolerant of people freely converting to other religions and can go to the extent of issuing fatwa on converts or so called blasphemers, even honour killings by family member? I have not seen any so called Christian country killing or sending a Christian who converts to any other religion to jail, but one dare not leave Islam for any other religion in those Muslim countries. Religion should be by choice, isn't it or are Muslims afraid of loosing members that they have to resort to using fear to keep followership?
2. Why is it that Muslims always find it hard to co-habit with people of other religions, they come in settle quietly, but over time, when they grow in number, they begin to cause violent activities? E.g in Burma, in India, Russia and so on. (You may want to justify this one). Though i always say that 'if every muslim can be like the yoruba muslims, there will be relative peace in the world'. In yoruba family, you can find an Immam father and a pastor son and they co-habit peacefully, but same cannot be said of northerners or arab muslims where it seems intolerance is the order of the day as well as indoctrination even from childhood.
3. Why do Muslims always hide under the guise of Islam to term the western world Christians and therefore declare Jihad on non-muslims? Cos the truth is that the fact that former President Bush is a Christian or America and Britain Christian dominated countries does not mean that they are fighting terrorists in the name of Christianity or any other religion. So why does Muslims always incite hatred against Christians when world leaders take political decisions?
4. Agreed that violence is not only limited to Islam, but what I see everyday points to the fact that Islam is akin to violence. Dont get me wrong, i have a lot of Muslim friends and they surely are peaceful, but it seems there is an aspect of Islamic teaching to which when twisted tend to turn people violent and intolerant of other religions.
5. Finally, I know that there are extremests in different religions, but why is it that Islam tend to be the religion with most violence and intolerant of other religions. E.g, Moslems are allowed to practice their religion in the western and non-muslim world to a great extent, but same cannot be said of Muslim countries allowing freedom of other religions in Muslim dominated countries. Instead they resort to calling non-muslims condescending names like pigs and people of the book. Non-muslims are not allowed to practice freely in muslim dominated countries and are always under constant threat both by the masses and government. Non-muslims are highly marginalized.

I will like an answer to all these and why Muslims are o.k with people converting from other religions to Islam, but not the other way round. I believe people should have the right to live their life the way they so choose, but Islam seem not to agree with that. God says vengeance is mine, but in Islam it seems Muslims always want to physically fight for God and forcefully convert people, hence the logical reason they are growing cos people are afraid to die. There are many world religions as we know it today, but Islam is the one most associated with violence and bloodshed.
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Sweetnecta,if you check the history of the civil war you will realise that Gowon was merely a pawn in the hands of the northern moslem power elite.Even Gen T.Y. Danjuma and other Christian middle belt officers who fought on the Federal side were mere tools.Now they know better.
Islam has an image problem.In Nigeria,it is seen as the religion of the oppressor.Christians will let you live in peace and practise whatever faith you profess,but moslems will insist that you convert by force!

noblezone: Its not only the issue of tradition, Islam has a way of turning violence @ the end of the day.

Also, we need to sit down and look critically into the teachings of both Christianity and Islam.

Eg: christianity teaches forgiveness even to the extent of turning the other cheeck rather than revenge, islam on the other hand teaches an eye for eye as patterned in the time of Moses.

So, will Igbo moslems practice sharia? and were will they practice it?

It is time Christians rise up to the occasion and preserve our faith for our children.

accept it or not "islam is a religion of peace. My name is elrufai and i'm not a terorist" the mesage of allah wil reach whom allah's favoured despite unbelievers dont like it

elroofey: accept it or not "islam is a religion of peace. My name is elrufai and i'm not a terorist" the mesage of allah wil reach whom allah's favoured despite unbelievers dont like it

Pls answer my many questions about Islam El Rufai. Thank you

abubello: some prominent igbo muslims:

The story of the propagation of Islam in Igboland would not be complete without mentioning some prominent Igbo Muslim leaders. Most prominent was the late Alhaji Suleiman Onyeama who until his death several years ago was the chairman of the Jama’atul Nasril Islamiyya (Society for the Victory of Islam) of Enugu State. Currently, two of the most well known Igbo Muslims are Alhaji Abdulaziz Ude and Alhaji Yahaya Ndu (Nnorom 2003). The latter from Ezeagu Local Government Area of Enugu State was the Presidential Candidate of the African Renaissance Party (ARP) in 2003. The Chief Imam of the mosque at the University of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) is Sheik Adamu Abdullahi Idoko from Nsukka. Nsukka is reputed to be the key base of Islamic expansionism in Igboland (Nnorom 2003). Then Alhaji Dauda Oneagocha is the Chief Imam of the Owerri main mosque in Imo State, which is located near the Government House.

http://www.egodiuchendu.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54:igbo-culture-and-the-prospects-of-islam-in-eastern-nigeria&catid=5:papers&Itemid=11

You are happy when people convert to Islam, i dont have a problem with that, I'm all for freedom of religion, but why is it that when people leave Islam you declare Fatwa on them? Why? Pls answer. Thank you

I saw a blue unicorn this morning. Do you believe that ?

One thing that is clear is this, whether you like it or not, it is clearly written in the most Awesome book in this universe, "The Bible" John 3:16-21 (people please read)

God gave HIS only begotten son, Jesus Christ; that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

Jesus came to do an awesome task of dying for our sins that we all may be saved and reconciled to the Heavenly Father.

Why is it that people just find it difficult to believe this simple truth. Jesus is the only way, and there is nothing anyone can do about it, it cannot be changed.

I marvel at people talking ill about Jesus Christ, really, Whoever is engaged in his should desist from this evil. The Bible makes it clear in the passage stated above that the workers of evil detest the light because they are just evil and unrepentant. How can a living soul doubt the miracles of Jesus Christ clearly recorded in the Bible? This is truly pathetic and I think whoever is engaged in this should desist from it and ask for forgiveness from God.

Jesus came to this world to give peace, love and salvation and to this end it is recorded in the Bible that Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of GOD, died for our sins on the cross of Calvary. If you don't believe in HIS miracles, it is your choice, but you don't have to talk ill about him.

I don't see any reason why a religion should stipulate death by stoning because of fornication, why people should be killed for not accepting a certain religion. This kind act only shows that the religion is not the way to Heaven. A peaceful religion does not force itself on people or force or mandate people to join it, the Bible says that by their fruits ye shall know them" Matthew 7:20

If a place is peaceful, the natural tendency is that people naturally tend to draw close to that peaceful place. People are free to believe in whatever they all want, but certainly anything that is not peaceful cannot move you forward. bear this in mind, that without JESUS in you and you in HIM, you have no place in the Kingdom of the MOST HIGH GOD.

People should stop deceiving themselves and embrace Jesus Christ, HE is the only way to true freedom, happiness, peace and salvation. Shun any ideology,religion, institution, groups or persons who preaches violence and destruction against fellow humans, it is not the right thing to do, it is not from GOD ALMIGHTY JEHOVAH. THE KING OF KINGS, THE LORD OF HOST, THE OWNER OF OUR SOULS, THE GOD WHO HAVE CREATED US TO WORSHIP HIM ALONE.

yommy2sure: The biggest inconsistency I found with this Islam is that at least according to the preserved religious books there is agreement that Adam, Abrham, Noah, Lot, David, Solomon etc then Jesus all have Jewish origin then all of a sudden the comforter of the Jews and indeed all mankind after Jesus chose abi God chose him to come from Arab. Thats exactly where the linear graph took some sharp bend called Islam!

Tsk..tsk..tsk..tsk.

How can Adam be jew if he's the 1st man? Are you saying we all descended from jews? Going by your twisted logic, it means Moh'd was a jew by lineage innit?

How can Noah be Jew if all archaeological evidence about the great flood is in present day Iraq?

How can Abraham be jew if he is regarded as the father of all nations?

Why can't a prophet come from another tribe if its the same God that created us and we are all equal in front of him or is your God jewish too?

sconsults: [size=22pt] Christians and Muslims should stop trying to prove themselves.the truth is that all of you do not make sense and the doctrines of both religions are as vague as it is stupid, that's why it is by faith that we believe not by sense or logic
Christians believe in a god that was crucified as a common criminal and could not save himself,then claimed that he shed his blood to allow his father to forgive mankind while Muslim believe in the same man but that he did not die.all this men where not even able to determine that the earth was spherical and nothing directly scientific could be attributed to them.stop trying to find logic in your religion because if there was one,everybody would have embraced it by now.an igbo man can choose to be anything he want to be even if he want to worship a goat,it is his choice.religion have not made igboland any better.period[/size]

You said you have never met any learned muslim that got converted to Islam. Here is the testimony of Sultan Muhammad Khan

EARLY LIFE AND STUDIES

My native land is Afghanistan. My late father was a resident of the capital of Logar, which is situated about 50 miles south of the city of Kabul.

My father, Payanda Khan, held the rank of colonel in the Afghan army with the title of "Bahadur Khan". He was known throughout the country as "Colonel Bahadur Khan". My father had two wives. The first was from among his near relatives. She bore him three daughters but no sons. Therefore, lest the family should die out, he married the daughter of Sayyid Mahmud Aqa, who was a member of one of the noblest and most famous families in Afghanistan. My younger brother, Taj Muhammad Khan, and I were the fruit of that marriage. I was born in 1881.

Shortly after the late Amir, Abdur Rahman Khan, came from Russia to the throne of Kabul, he captured six of the notable pillars of the country and sent them away to some unknown destination. Later they were put to death. Among these six was my father. Then a second calamity befell us. For political reasons my two maternal uncles were captured, sent to the state prison in Kabul, and later banished to India. Shortly afterwards, my third uncle together with his mother and servants came to India by the permission of the Amir, while the rest of my nearest relatives remained in Kabul.

On coming to India they settled in Hasan Abdal. Because of further political difficulties our whole family left Kabul and came to Hasan Abdal. After a few months my mother passed away. Eventually, after a reconciliation between my family and the late Amir, Abdur Rahman Khan, all my family except my three uncles and myself returned to our native land.

Later I went to Delhi and entered the Madrasa-i-Fatehpuri to perfect myself in the study of Arabic. At that time the head mawlavi of the school was Mawlana Abdul Jalil, a pure Pathan of the District of Naushera; and the second mawlavi was Fateh Muhammad Khan of Qandahar. By the special kindness of these two gentlemen I soon completed my study of logic and turned to that of the traditions and commentaries. During the day I studied with my classmates. In the evenings I received special instruction from AbdulJalil. Thus, by the grace of God, I mastered these subjects also.

FIRST ENCOUNTER WITH CHRISTIANS

One day, when returning with some of my friends from a walk to the Chandni Chawk, we saw a large crowd gathered at a short distance from our school. Arriving at the scene, we noticed that an argument concerning the doctrine of the Trinity was going on between a Christian preacher and one of the students of our school. The former was finding support for the doctrine in the following verse from the Qur'an:

"And we are nearer to him than his jugular vein" (Qur'an 50:16).

{ All references from the Qur'an are taken from Mohammad Marmaduke Pickethall, THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS KORAN, New York, 1954.}

He was saying that here "nahnu", the first person plural, is used, and that if the unity of God were absolute, the first person singular, "ana", would have been used. Since the student was giving an answer that was not to the point, my friends urged me to answer the argument of the preacher. Accordingly, I stepped forward and said that the first person plural of the pronoun is used according to the Arabic idiomatic usage as an honorific and not as an indication of plurality.

This was the first opportunity I had to meet a Christian in argument. On that very day there was born in me an indescribable eagerness to argue with Christians, an eagerness derived from a deeply rooted fervour and concern for things sacred. Consequently, as far as lay within my power, I began to collect notable books in refutation of Christianity. I made a careful study of many books, and on appointed days I began to go to the Fountain and carry on discussions with the Christian preachers.

One day the English clergyman, who used to come with the preachers, gave me his visiting card and invited me to his house. He was kind enough to say that I might bring my friends with me. Accordingly, in company with two or three friends, I went to his residence. The clergyman was very friendly and courteous. While we drank our tea, we began an interesting discussion on matters of religion. He turned to me and asked: "Do you read the Bible?" "Why should I read the Bible?" said I. "Who would read such an altered book which you people change every year?" At my reply a pitying look appeared on the face of the clergyman, and he said with a faint smile: "Do you consider that all we Christians are dishonest? Do you think we fear God so little that we should keep deceiving the world by making changes in the Holy Scriptures? When Muslims say Christians keep altering the text of the Tawrat and the Injil (the Torah and the Gospel), they suggest that all Christians are dishonest and that they are deceivers of the people. Now this is a serious and unwarranted indictment. Christians believe in the Bible as the Word of God as Muslims do in the Qur'an. Thus, if no Muslim can change the text of the Qur'an, how is it that a Christian can change the text of the Book of the all-wise God, the Holy Bible? If a mischievous Muslim were to be so foolish as to change the text of any verse of the Qur'an, would not all Muslims consider him outside the pale of Islam and publish all the facts about him? In the same way, if some mischievous Christian were to change the text of any verse of Scripture, would not all other true Christians consider him outside the pale of their religion and make public the facts about him? Of course they would! From this you will see that the conten- tion of Muslims that the text of God's Word has been altered is absolutely without foundation and futile. I believe that this contention is held by Muslims who are generally quite ignorant of the Bible and of the faith and doctrines of Christians."

Then the clergyman gave me two Bibles, one in Persian and the other in Arabic, and urged me to read them. We thanked him and departed. To the object of the clergyman, who gave me the Bibles, I paid no attention. My own object in reading the Bible was to pick flaws in it, to prove from it the truth of Islam, and to silence Christians in argument. I did not even read through the Bible from beginning to end, but only those passages which Muslim controversialists quote in their writings. In short, as long as I remained in Dehli, I made it my business to carry on a controversy with Christians.

FURTHER STUDIES

At this time I made up my mind to go to Bombay. There I had the good fortune to meet Mawlavi Hidayat Ullah, who was highly respected in that region as a man of authority and great learning. His home was in Kabul, and he was well acquainted with my family. As soon as we came to know each other in Bombay, he gladly promised to give me instruction. He thought that my regular course of studies was nearly complete and advised me to give more attention to the study of literature. He also gave me permission to use his splendid library. I therefore began this study under his guidance. As the Mawlavi had spent most of his life in Constantinople, Egypt and Arabia, he was an expert in the subject. The fact that he gave me instruction in Persian, which was the mother tongue of us both, made my work much easier.

At this time another fine scholar an expert in logic and philosophy, came from Egypt and was appointed to a professorship in the Madrasa-i-Zakariyya. This was Mawlavi Abdul Ahad, who also belonged to Jalalabad District of Afghanistan. When I heard of his fame, I entered the Madrasa-i-Zakariyya and began a study of the final books on logic and philosophy. The mawlavi treated me as a son and gave me a room next to his own so that I might be able to call on him for help at any time.

FURTHER CONTROVERSIES WITH CHRISTIANS

One day during the course of a walk some of us students from our school arrived at Dhobi Talab. There we found some Christian preachers speaking to the people. Immediately my old enmity was aroused as I recalled my previous experience in Dehli. I was on the point of advancing towards the preachers when a fellow student restrained me saying, "Mawlavi Sahib, never mind these people. It is a waste of time to argue with them. These poor fellows neither know how to carry on a discussion, nor are they familiar with the rules of debate. They are paid to do this work and are fulfilling their duties so there is absolutely no use in arguing with them." "I know all about these people", I replied. "They may not know the art and rules of debate, but they certainly know how to lead people astray. It is the duty of every true Muslim to rescue his thought- less Muslim brethren from their plotting and deception." I stepped forward and began raising a host of objections to what they had said. They countered with a flurry of objections to my objections.

The discussion was finally cut short for lack of time. News of our encounter soon spread among the students of the school. They, too, were fired with zeal for engaging in controversy. We went regularly twice a week to meet the Christians in debate. Eventually two C.M.S. missionaries invited us to their home through Mr. Joseph Bihari Lal, their head catechist. While we were there, they suggested to us that the Dhobi Talab was too far for us to reach conveniently, and offered, if we really wanted to find out the truth about Christianity, to open a reading-room near our school, where we might carry on our investigation once a week to our heart's content. I gratefully accepted this offer. When they opened the reading-room, we met them there according to a fixed schedule.

When I perceived that the students in the school and my other friends knew nothing of the Christian religion and were inexperienced in debate, I rented another house on the advice of Mawlavi Abbas Khan Sahib. There we formed a society called "Nadwatul Mutakallimin". The aim of this society was to prepare controversialists against all non-Islamic religions, with special reference to Christianity.

When my instructor saw that I was always involved in controversy and that I had no other interest in life, he came into my room one day after evening prayers. Just at that time I was reading the Injil. He asked me what I was reading. I replied that it was the Injil. He responded angrily: "I fear lest you become a Christian". I was very much provoked at his reply and though I did not wish to seem disrespectful, I could not help saying: "Why should I become a Christian? Does the mere reading of the Injil make one a Christian? I am reading in order to destroy Christianity root and branch, not that I myself may become a Christian. You should encourage me in this matter instead of finding fault with me." He replied: "I said this because I have heard that he who reads the Injil becomes a Christian. Have you not heard what a certain poet has said: 'When he reads the Injil, the heart of the faithful turns away from Islam'?" "This information is inaccurate", I replied. After giving me further counsel, the Mawlavi returned to his own room.

JOURNEY TO ARABIA AND RETURN

This interesting religious conflict went on for some years, when suddenly I became possessed of the desire to make the pilgrimage to Mecca. Immediately I made the necessary arrangements, boarded the steamship, "Shah-i-Nur", for Jeddah, and thence went to Mecca. From Mecca I carried on a correspondence with the late Mawlavi Hassamud Din, editor of the "Kashful Haqaiq". On the day of pil- grimage I put on the pilgrim dress and proceeded to Arafat. On that day I saw a wonderful sight: the rich and the poor, the high and the low, all clad in the same white garment. It looked as if all the dead clad in their shrouds, had emerged from their graves to render their accounts. The sight brought tears to my eyes. But at the same time the thought struck me: "If Islam is not the true religion, what will my condition be on the Day of Resurrection?" Then and there I prayed to God: "O God, show me the true religion and Thy true way. If Islam is the true religion, keep me steadfast in it, and grant me grace to silence the opponents of Islam. If Christianity is the true religion, then reveal its truth to me. Amen."

After a brief visit to Medina I returned to Bombay. During my absence the "Nadwatul Mutakallimin" had disbanded. Immediately upon my return I organized another society in its place. I myself became president of this society, and Abdur Rauf was its secretary. At his house, near Grant Road, our organization held its meetings. One of our rules was that once a week a non-Muslim be invited to address us and that one of our members should answer the argument of our guest. Munshi Mansur Masih used to come regularly to speak for the Christians. Others came to speak on behalf of the Arya Samaj.

A VITAL ISSUE

One day Munshi Mansur Masih addressed us very convincingly that there is no salvation in Islam. The members of our society asked me to answer him. To the best of my ability I tried to prove that there is perfect and certain salvation in Islam. The audience appreciated my address. Yet I knew very well that my own argument left me unconvinced in my innermost being. In fact, as I spoke, I was compelled to admit the weakness of my position. Though I was making much more noise than my antagonist, his voice was thundering in my soul with an indescribable power.

It was nearly 11 p.m. when this discussion ended. I returned home and sat down to think carefully of what Munshi Mansur Masih had said. The more I thought, the more evident it became to me that salvation is the vital breath of religion and its necessary foundation. Without it a religion is not a religion.

Furthermore, I considered that all men agree that man, as his name indicates, is a bundle of forgetfulness, disobedience, and transgressions. His life never remains so pure as to be absolutely free from the stain of sin. Sin has become man's second nature. It is a true saying that "to err is human". The question is how can one escape accountability and punishment? How is one to be saved? What does Islam have to say about it? And what is the message of Christianity? It is my duty to investigate this important matter honestly and without prejudice. Should I find that salvation is certainly to be had through Islam, then I should thank God. How bright my eyes would be and how glad my heart! Otherwise I shall seek that religion which presents a satisfying plan of salvation. When I came to this decision, I fell on my knees in prayer before God and wept bitterly, covenanting that thereafter I should not read the Bible as I had been reading it. I would read it so that I, a miserable sinner might discover the way of salvation.

MY QUEST FOR SALVATION Accordingly, from that day onward I changed my attitude and, as a genuine seeker after truth, began reading and comparing the Bible with the Qur'an. For my further peace of mind I borrowed a copy of the Avesta from a Parsi friend and bought a copy of the Satyarth Prakash. Then I began to compare all these books. After reading the Avesta carefully and talking with Parsi scholars, I became still more dejected regarding the way of salvation, for there is no reasonable method of salvation set forth in this religion.

I turned next to the study of the Satyarth Prakash written by Swami Dayanand Sarasvati, which may be considered to be the most authoritative work in setting forth the doctrines of the Arya Samaj. I read it with the hope that I might find in it that for which I was searching. But instead, I found strange doctrines which made my hair stand on end. I learned from it that God cannot forgive sins. I was amazed at this and concluded that it was absolutely hopeless for anyone to join the Arya Samaj in the hope of gaining salvation. According to the Arya Samaj God could not forgive a man's sins, whether committed before or after his becoming a Arya Samajist. Hence, punishment is inescapable. Furthermore I discovered that the Arya Samaj does not consider salvation to be eternal. It became clear to me that there is no salvation with the Arya Samaj and that, even if salvation were obtained by one way or another, it would not be eternal. Consequently, since salvation is temporal, would not one continually fear that further happiness might be refused to him at any time? When I reached this point and saw there was no salva- tion here for a sinner like myself, I discontinued my study of Satyarth Prakash.

The most weighty task that still confronted me was that of the examination of the Qur'an and the most reliable of the Traditions. Before beginning my search for the doctrine of salvation in these works, I raised my hands to God in prayer: "O God, Thou knowest that I am, and was born, a Muslim, and that generation after generation of my ancestors were born into this religion and have died in it. In it I, too, have received my education, and in it I have been brought up. Therefore, now, remove every obstacle that would prevent me from discovering Thy true way, and show me the way of Thy salvation that, when I leave this transitory world, I may not be displeasing to Thee. Amen."

What I now found out through the study of the Qur'an was only what I had known before: that attaining salvation is dependent upon doing good works. I found many verses which declare this doctrine, but shall note only two of them here:

"But as for those who believe and do good works, for them are the Gardens of Retreat - welcome (in reward) for what they used to do. And as for those who do evil, their retreat is the Fire. Whenever they desire to issue forth from thence, they are brought back thither. Unto them it is said: Taste the torments of the Fire which ye used to deny." (Qur'an 32:19, 20)

"And who so doeth good an atom's weight will see it then. And who so doeth ill and atom's weight will see it then." (Qur'an 99:7,

At first glance these verses are very beautiful and consoling, but in my mind they raised a question: "Is it possible for us to do only good and no evil? Does man possess such power?" When I considered this carefully, and at the same time reckoned with the faculties and passions of man, it became clear to me that it is impossible for man to remain sinless. Nor has he the power continually to do good and only good.

The moral philosophers of Arabia have claimed that there are four faculties in man which give rise to all his actions. Of these four, three powerful faculties are working against the spiritual interest of man. There is only one, the angelic faculty, which impels man towards God, or helps him to obey God's commands. But its effects are hidden from man's sight. On the other hand, there is the com- bined strength of the other three faculties, together with the fact that their effects are such that man is at once delighted and motivated by them. Therefore, as the mind of man sees only what is on the surface and cares only for the present, he pays more atten- tion to worldly things and becomes careless of the things of the Spirit and of God. A distinguished Muslim has stated the matter thus:

"I am entrapped in four things, the ascendency of which is the cause of my misery and suffering. These four things are Satan, the world, lust and greed. How may I be free from these when all of them are my enemies? Evil desires allure me and throw me into the dark abyss of sensuality and pleasure."

The three faculties gained mastery over the angelic faculty, and Adam did the thing which God had forbidden him to do. The result has been manifestly inherited by his descendants down to the present time. According to a tradition:

"It is related from Abu Huraira that the Apostle of God said: "When God created Adam he stroked his back, and there fell from his back all the men whom he was creating from his descendants until the Day of Resurrection. And he placed before the eyes of each man of them a flash of light. Afterwards he brought them to Adam. Adam said: "O my Lord who are these?" He replied: "They are thy descendants." And he saw a man amongst them whose flash of light between his eyes astonished him. He said: "O my Lord, who is this? He replied: "David." Then he said: "O Lord, how long hast Thou fixed his life?" He replied: "Sixty years." Adam said: "My Lord increase it from my life by forty years" The Apostle of God said: "When the life of Adam was completed except for forty years, the angel of death came to him. And Adam said: "Are there not yet forty years of my life remaining?" He replied: "Didst thou not give them to thy son David?" Then Adam denied, and his descendants have denied, and Adam forgot and ate of the tree and his descendants have forgotten, and Adam sinned and his descendants have sinned." (Tirmidhi)

From this tradition it is clear that all the children of Adam are assuredly sinners, because Adam's sin has entered into all. Accordingly famous saints and religious leaders have confessed their sins. Thus Adam, the first of all the prophets, and Mother Eve say:

They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If Thou forgive us not and have not mercy on us, surely we are lost!" (Qur'an 7:23)

The prophet Abraham likewise says:

"Our Lord! Forgive me and my parents and believers on the day when the account is cast." (Qur'an 14:41)

The prophet of Islam himself makes this prayer:

"O God, wash my iniquities with snow-water." (Bukhari)

Abu Bakr the first Khalifah of the Prophet of Islam, says in his famous poem:

"O God, how shall I be saved, for there is no goodness in me? I am overwhelmed with iniquities, but am wanting in goodness."

In addition to all these evidences the Qur'an itself holds that all men are sinners:

"Lo! man is an ingrate unto his Lord. And lo! he is a witness unto that." (Qur'an 100:6,7)

In this connection the following thoughts confronted me: the Prophet Jesus also is a man. The Qur'an refers to the sin of the other prophets. But why does the Qur'an record no sin of Jesus? As I found that the Qur'an recorded only the sinlessness of Jesus, I therefore turned to the Injil. Here I found the following verses:

"Which of you convicts me of sin?" (John 8:46).

"For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." (2 Corinthians 5:21)

"For we have not a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weakness, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sinning." (Hebrews 4:14)

"He committed no sin; no guile was found on his lips." (1 Peter 2:22)

"You know that he appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin" (1 John 3:5)

Thus there was solid evidence to prove that with the exception of the Prophet Jesus, all mankind are sinful. Under these circumstances, who was I that I should claim to be able to gain salvation by good works, when many religious leaders and philosophers and saints had failed to run this impossible course?

Again I turned to the Qur'an to examine its teaching about the doctrine of salvation by works. I quote two verses only which make it clear that no human being, no matter what his status be, can escape perdition:

"There is not one of you but shall approach it. (2) That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord. Then we shall rescue those who are kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there." (Qur'an 19:71, 72)

{ (2) Another translation reads: "There is not one of you who shall not pass through the confines of Hell ..." (N.J. Dwood The Koran, Penguin Books Ltd. Middlesex 1959). Still another translation reads: "No one is there of you who shall not go down unto it ..." (J.M. Rodwell The Koran, J.M. Dent and Sons London 1950).}

No one but myself knows with what terror, dismay, and disappoint- ment I read these words. I, a spiritually sick man, was reading the Qur'an as I would consult a physician, that it might offer me the remedy for my sinfulness. But, instead of giving me the remedy, it said to me: "Everyone of you will go to perdition, for this is the absolute duty of thy Lord".

But my natural love and attachment for the faith of Islam forbade me to make haste in making my personal decision. I thought it fitting to seek a commentary on this verse in the Traditions, that I might see what the Prophet of Islam himself had to say on this matter. After a long search, I found the following tradition in the Mishkat:

"Ibn Masud said that the Prophet of Islam said: All people shall enter hell. Then they will come out of it according to their works. Those who will come out first will do so like a flash of lightning, the next like a gale of wind, then like a horse at full speed, afterwards like a swift rider, then like a man springing, and finally, like the walk of a man." (Tirmidhi and Darimi)

The meaning of the previous verse was now clear. It is inevitable that every person should once enter hell and then emerge according to his works. Though the meaning of the Qur'an was plain and was supported by the statement of the Prophet of Islam himself, and though, had I wished, I might have ended my search at this point, yet I thought it best to seek its interpretation in the Qur'an itself. Accordingly, after a long search I came upon this verse:

"And if the Lord had willed, He verily would have made mankind one nation, yet they ceased not differing, save him on whom thy Lord hath mercy; and for that He did create them. And the Word of thy Lord hath been fulfilled: Verily I shall fill hell with the jinn and mankind together." (Qur'an 11:118, 119)

I was so stricken at reading this verse that I slowly closed the Qur'an and became absorbed in anxious thought. Even in sleep I found no rest, for my waking thoughts, taking form in the realms of dreams, made me uneasy. It was unspeakably hard for me to forsake the faith of my fathers; I should have been more willing to forsake life itself. For some time I kept trying to think of some method of evading the problem or some way of escape, so that I might not have to Leave Islam. With this intent I began to search for help in the Traditions. This was no easy matter, for the Traditions are contained in six thick volumes. Moreover, it is a most difficult task to apply the principles of the science of the Traditions to each tradition. Despite these difficulties I carried my work to completion with the help of God.

According to the Traditions, there are three ways of salvation. First, there is absolutely no connection between works and salva- tion. The very worst sinner, who has spent his whole life in breaking God's laws, may enter paradise. The best kind of man, having spent his life in good deeds, may enter hell. The following Traditions speak for themselves:

"Hazrat Anas relates that the Prophet of Islam was riding followed by Maadh. When the Prophet of Islam thrice repeated, "Anyone who honestly believes and repeats: "There is but one God and Muhammad is his prophet," shall never be doomed to the fire of hell, Maadh said: 'O Prophet of God, shall I not proclaim these tidings?' The Prophet answered: 'In that case they will believe in nothing else but this.'" (Mishkat)

On this subject there is a tradition handed down by Abu Dharr, the words of which force the conclusion that salvation by works is meaningless, for even the adulterer and the thief obtain salvation by the mere repetition of the words of the Muslim creed. The tradition runs thus:

"It is related from Abu Dharr that he said: 'I came to the Prophet, and he had a white cloth over him and was sleeping. Later on I came to him after he had awakened. Then he said: "Any servant of God who says: 'There is no God but Allah', and afterwards dies relying on that, will enter heaven." I said: "Although he commit adultery and theft?" he replied: "Although he have committed adultery and theft." I said: "Although he commit adultery and theft?" He replied: "Although he commit adultery and theft." I said: "Although he commit adultery and theft?" He replied: "Although he commit adultery and theft, and in spite of Abu Dharr. "'" (Muslim, Bukhari)

I found another tradition as comforting as a basket of sugar to a child, which promises that, whether a man does good or evil, by means of the repetition of a few words he can obtain paradise. It is as follows:

"It is related from Ubadah bin Samit that the Apostle of God said: 'Whoever bears witness that there is no God but Allah alone, and that He has no partner, and that Muhammad is His servant and His apostle, and that Jesus is the servant of God and His apostle and the son of His handmaid and His word which He cast into Mary and a spirit from Him, and that heaven and hell are true, God will take him into paradise, in spite of what his works may have been!"' (Muslim, Bukhari)

{The reader my kindly bear in mind that Christians do not deny the necessity for doing good works. Christians realize that they are to be always engaged in good works: However their salvation does not depend upon their works for no person can do more than is required of him. Thus no one can do excess works which might serve as an atonement for his evil works. See Luke 17:7-10. (Sultan)}

When I read these traditions, the question came into my mind whether it is just, that one who spent his life in doing evil and never thought of good, should enter into paradise at death, while another who has spent his life in the fear of God, continence, and good works should be cast into hell at death.

Secondly, it is shown in the Traditions that salvation is depen- dent on the mercy of God so much, that the Prophet of Islam himself is a needy beggar of this mercy. Unless God have mercy upon him, the Prophet himself cannot obtain salvation through works. One tradition is as follows:

"Abu Huraira reported that the prophet of Islam said: 'No one of you will enter Paradise through his good works.' They said: 'Not even you, O Apostle of God?' 'Not even I,' he replied, 'unless God cover me with His grace and mercy. Therefore be strong, and morning and evening, nay, every moment, try to do good. "' (Mishkat)

Compare also the following Tradition:

"Jabir reported that the Prophet of Islam said: 'No good works of yours can ever secure heaven for you, nor can they save you from hell - not even me, without the grace of God. '"

From the above Traditions I gathered that no one can obtain salvation unless God's mercy rests on him. This comforted me a little but at the same time I began to think: "If God is merciful, He is likewise just. If God should forgive by the exercise of His mercy alone, he would be evading the demands of His justice and righteousness. Such an evasion of His justice would indicate a defect in the being of God. Certainly such an act would be unworthy of the glory of God."

The third thing that became dear to me from the Traditions was that even the Prophet of Islam cannot save anyone, not even his daughter Fatimah or his relations. Hence, the idea that the Prophet would intercede for the faithful, which I thought would surely prove correct, was proved wrong.

One tradition runs thus:

"Abu Huraira related that when the verse, 'Cause thy near relatives to fear', was revealed to the Prophet of Islam, the Prophet arose and began to proclaim: 'Oh people of the Quraysh, and you sons of Abdul Manaf, and you Abbas son of Abdul Muttalib, and you, Safiyyah my aunt, I cannot save you from the punishment of the Day of Resurrection. Take care of yourself O my daughter Fatimah; you may use my property, but I cannot save you from God. Take care of yourself.'" (Bukari)

So, after an extended and penetrating study of the Traditions, there remained nothing more for further research. In sheer fear and desperation I closed the books of the Traditions also and thus prayed to God: 'O God, my Creator and my Lord who knowest the secrets of my heart better than I know them, Thou knowest how long I have been seeking Thy true religion. I have carried my investiga- tion as far as I have been able. Now therefore, open to me the door of Thy knowledge and Thy salvation. Grant that I may enter into the company of Thy people who are well-pleasing unto Thee so that, when I enter Thy glorious presence, I may be exalted and content. Amen."

In this desperate and depressed state of mind I again began to read the Holy Injil with the idea of correcting any possible defects in my investigations. As I opened the Holy Injil this time, my eyes fell on these words:

"Come to me, all who labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." (Matthew 11:28)

I cannot say how I happened to alight upon this passage in the Gospel according to Matthew. I did not intentionally seek it. On the other hand, it was not a chance occurrence; it was the God-given answer to my hard labour and sincere investigation, For a sinner like me, it was indeed the supreme proclamation of good news. This life-giving verse had a tremendous effect upon me. It brought me peace, comfort and joy and immediately banished all uneasiness and uncertainty from my heart. The Messiah claims: "I will give you rest". He shows how salvation depends on Him. He does not merely point to a path which is above or beyond Him. But He says:

"I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but by me". (John 14:6)

Yet the question came to my mind: "Can one have confidence in this extraordinary claim of Christ?" I concluded that one could rest upon it, for in the first place Christ is accepted by the Muslims as sinless, glorious in this world and the next, the Word of God, and the Spirit of God. These and other such descriptives applied to Jesus indicate perfection. Secondly, according to Christians He is perfect God and perfect man, free from all base passions and worldly ambitions. Hence it is impossible that Christ, who, accor- ding to both Muslims and Christians possesses the highest qualities, would sin or do anything unworthy of Himself.

Then I began to ponder how Christ promises to give me salvation. To set my mind at rest, I began to search through the Holy Injil and came upon this verse:

"Even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many." (Matthew 20:28)

On reading this verse, I discovered how God offers salvation. Christ gave His life for us sinners. This is a marvelous way to which the world can show no counterpart. Scores of men have founded religions in this world, but no one of them claimed that his death will serve for the forgiveness of sins. Christ alone not only made this claim but also fulfilled it.

At this thought I fell into a state of ecstasy. The picture of Christ and His love for men made an indelible impression on my heart. But while I was absorbed in this ecstasy, another question came to my mind: "What was the need of Christ's sacrifice and atonement? Could He not have given salvation without giving His life?" After a little further thought I found the answer to this also: God is both merciful and just. If Christ had promised salva- tion without giving His life, the demands of mercy would certainly have been fulfilled. In order to satisfy the demands of justice also, Christ paid the ransom, which was His precious blood. In this way God has manifested His love for us.

"In this is love, not that we loved God but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the expiation for our sins." (1 John 4:10)

In short, I continued my investigation in the New Testament, and read it several times from beginning to end. In the course of this reading I found hundreds of verses and scores of parables which proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that salvation (which is the very heart and purpose of religion) is available only through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. I quote here only one passage:

"Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks o those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world be held accountable to God. For no human being will be justified in His sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. But now the righteous- ness of God has been manifested apart from law, although the law and the prophets bear witness to it, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction; since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, they are justified by His grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as an expiation by His blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in His divine forbearance he had passed over former sins" (Romans 3:125)

MY DECISION AND CONFESSION

Accordingly, after completing investigations which I have de- scribed. I came to the conclusion that I would become a Christian. Under these circumstances it appeared to me to be honourable to present the whole matter before the society, that they might con- sider it and that I might be free from any charge of pursuing my investigation in secret.

I went to the meeting as usual. It was again the turn of Munshi Mansur Masih to speak. Before he began to speak, I interrupted by stating that on this occasion I myself would speak against Islam. Then I proceeded to describe the results of my many years of research. The officers of the society were amazed at my words but took comfort in the hope I would make the rebuttal to my own address. When I finished and took my seat, the vice-president said: "We hope that the president himself will make his own rebuttal to his unfavourable address " Again I arose and said: "Listen to me, my friends. What I have explained to you is not something which is superficial and fabricated. It is a matter which is certain and decisive, based on years of investigation. To be more specific, it began on that day when Munshi Mansur Masih addressed us on the subject of salvation. At that time I promised God that henceforth I would read the Holy Bible, not as I had read it previously but as a seeker after truth, so that the way of truth and righteousness might be revealed to me. Accordingly, setting aside prejudice and philoso- phical quibbling, I compared with one another the Avesta, Satyarth Prakash, the Bible and the Qur'an. I came to the conclusion that salvation is to be found in Christ only. That is all I have to say. If there is any defect in my investigation, I shall be grateful if any of you gentlemen will point it out. On the other hand, if you yourselves wish me to make the rebuttal to these arguments, I tell you frankly that I cannot answer them. Nor is there hope of an answer from anyone else."

I left the meeting, as it was not prudent for me to remain there longer. Munshi Mansur Masih immediately followed me. When he over- took me, he threw his arms around my neck and began to shed tears of joy, saying in a trembling voice: "You must come home with me tonight. It is not safe for you to spend the night alone in your room." I replied that the officers of my organization were educated gentlemen, and that I need fear nothing from them. "Of course", I added, "there are others which one must fear. I shall come to your house before daybreak. If I am not there by that time, you may kindly come to my lodging."

After making this arrangement, we separated. I went to my room, bolted the door from the inside, and extinguished the light. I sat down, immersed in thought. I shall never forget the fearful fancies and the spiritual struggle of that night. It was a night of deci- sion, a night of most desperate testing. At times the thought confronted me that, if I should become a Christian, I should lose my country, my inheritance, my rights, my family, my friends - in short everything. I was also bothered by the idea that becoming a Christian would mean entering a world where manners and all else would be different from that to which I had been accustomed. Sleep was impossible that night. Finally I said to myself: "Sultan, consider that you are the child of an hour and the world is fleeting. When you die, your country and your inheritance will be of no benefit to you, nor will your family and friends be of help to you. All these belong to this world alone. Nothing but your faith can go beyond the grave. Therefore it is not wise to forsake eternal life and spiritual happiness for the sake of this transitory life." Then I bowed my knees before God and offered this prayer: "O omni- potent, eternal God, searcher of hearts, I yield myself to Thee. Accept this offering and protect me from all the snares of the devil and from spiritual dangers. Remove from my heart the world and its desires. Grant me courage and strength that I may be able to confess Thine only Son Jesus Christ publicly before all men. Hear and accept my prayer for the sake of Jesus Christ. Amen."

After I had finished this prayer, I felt somewhat drowsy and slept for a short time. When I awoke, I felt altogether happy and cheerful. No shadow of the former worry and uneasiness bothered me. The day was breaking. I quickly washed and left for the home of Munshi Mansur Masih. When I arrived there, I found he had been very much worried because I had not come. He knew that I was accustomed to tea at that hour and had already prepared some for me. After I finished tea, we talked things over for a short time and then enga- ged in prayer. After prayer we went to the home of Padre Ledgeard.

The padre was surprised at our early arrival. Munshi Mansur Masih proceeded to tell him that I had come to be baptized. At first he thought we were not in earnest. But when he heard what had taken place on the preceeding night, he immediately rose and embracing me, said: "I knew that if you would read the Bible seriously you would surely become a Christian. Thank God that you have been convinced." He then promised to baptize me three days later and advised me during the interval to memorize the Ten Commandments, the Apostles' Creed and the Lord's Prayer. He further counseled me not to stay among Muslims. Upon his invitation to stay either with himself or with Munshi Mansur Masih, I decided to accept the second alternative.

When Sunday came, the whole church was filled with Muslims. Seeing the danger, Mr Ledgeard postponed my baptism. Finally, by the grace and mercy of God, I was baptized on the 6th August 1903, in St. Paul's Church, Bombay. My baptism took place in the presence of the following persons: Rev. Canon Ledgeard, who baptized me, Munshi Mansur Masih, and two other gentlemen whose names I cannot now recall. Immediately after the ceremony I was sent to Kanpur, since it was dangerous for me to remain in Bombay.

When I became a Christian, a wonderful change took place in my life. My speech, actions, and whole manner of life were so trans- formed that a year later, when I visited Bombay for a short time, my Muslim friends wondered at it. They marveled at my mildness, for they knew how easily I used to lose my temper.

Before I became a Christian, I recognized sin to be sin. But I did not realize, as I do now, what a dangerous and destructive force sin is. Although I am still merely a weak man and a handful of dust, yet, when I have sinned, I cannot describe the shame and sorrow with which I am filled. Immediately I fall on my face and with tears I repent and beg for forgiveness. This attitude can be acquired only by the recognition of the atoning sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. Sin. cannot be removed by repentance alone. It must be cleansed by the sacred blood of our Saviour. For this very reason the world, which makes light of sin, is daily approaching nearer and nearer to destruction.

Though Satan war against me with all the power at his disposal, I am not in the least disturbed because I believe that Christ has crushed his head. Satan cannot harm Christ's faithful servants, nor can he prevail against them. May God, the Creator of heaven and earth, the Searcher of hearts, turn the hearts of my Muslim brethren as He turned mine, and give them vision, so that they too, remem- bering the Day of Judgment, may realize their deep spiritual need and come into the fold of the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

I am, my dear Muslim brothers,

Your spiritual well-wisher

Sultan Muhammad Khan

who cited world war in this context.plz that war was political not religious but muslim extremists give no damn killing with Allah in their mouths.Did i hear islam in the east? may be with magic power.mmmmmmmmm , we hate permanent enemies cropping up among our people cos of a religion cloned with 'peace'

mu2sa2: The Bible they are reading today is the revised standard version; men hav revised supposed word of God!The Bible was revised - no controversy. So, the Bible of today is not the bible in use before the revision. Now, which is the "word of God" since the former version has been changed and the RSV contain new additions? If the RSV is the "word of God", then what Christians were reading before the RSV was word of man. U can see why many of what u read in the bible today is suspect and u should not be surprised if the RSV is again altered so that u may hav "New Revised Standard Version". Fact is:the Bible contains lots of word of man being palmed of as from God.

U be muntulah!

and thou cometh! KJV and you came! RSV

please tell me any difference btwn the above? You know d truth but decide to die in islam bc ur papa will decree a fatwa on u if u change, many yoruba muslims are converting to xtianity in droves, a gud example is pastor Tude bakare, Bishop oyedepo, u remeber sunny okosun? them plenty, u can join b4 its 2 late

i just can help but caution everybody on this thread to be careful of what he/she post. (christains inclusive)
1. the bible says dat 'JUDGE NOT SO THAT U MAY NOT HE JUDGE.
2. why will anyone compare JESUS CHRIST WITH MOHAMMED. the difference is clear. my reasons:
A. JESUS is LORD and Mohammed is a mere prophet.
B. Even Mohammed and islam testify of CHRIST(even though they only acknowledge him as a prophet of God but CHRIST never prophesis about Mohammed..CHRIST said that 'i will send you a comforter( THE HOLY SPIRIT ) to guide and be wit you till i return.
C. JESUS CHRIST is the PRINCE OF PEACE while Mohammed is known to be a worrior.
D. JESUS said "ALL POWER IN HEAVEN, ON EARTH AND BENEATH THE EARTH BELONG TO ME, AND IN MY NAME ALL KNEE MUST BOW AND EVERY TONGUE CONFESS (Mohammed inclusive)
lastly, the TRUTH is there for all to see and everyone has got the right to choose his faith. let God be the judge




PEACE

@Abubello, Alhaji abdulazzez Ude is late. However, he erected a huge mosque @ unity estate egbeda and that's where you'll see the igbo Muslims in lagos.
@topic, the ignorance, fooolishess and lies coming from some of the posters here is mind boggling. And worrying.

Lollycutie: its obvious u neva studied d bible,u are jst a critic i wont b surprised 2 learn u wer paid to write dis cock and bull story.May God have mercy on ur blasphemious soul.

Lol @ ''paid to write this''. but the post i quoted showcases the result of extensive study of the Bible dear! I think its YOU who hasnt studied the bible. Open the good book & read the verses quoted & come back to tell me if those contradictions are there or not.

alienvirus:

I heard some parts of Ibo eat human beings. An Ibo girl who washes my glass cups in office testified to that. Is it as a result of the Cannibalistic part of the bible? Islam is ready to remove that from Iboland!

Look at this HIV patient zero trying to start tribal war here. better luck next time.
talking about people eating people, how did you get your screenname? isnt it by letting mallam chop you on allen avenue? he gave you the virus and now you want to spread that poison here.
dem talk say aids no dey show for face, this olodo go tattoo am for forehead, your own don finish

Oh no, I hate eating pork! Do you eat that dirty thing? You must be disgusting

Ebi ni o pa imale ti olowun o jeh elede.

Igbo muslims just want to marry multiple wives and hold women in bondage. ha also before OBJ get contracts.

It is always amusing watching both sides go at it. They counter each other's ridiculous points with even more ridiculous points.

The back and forth between sweetnecta and vemmawealth on the first two pages have to be the most nonsensical nonsense I have read in awhile. One says the Bible predicted the Prophet's coming and gives us a long azz Bible section with only HE, HIM and SPIRIT as proof? Abeg for those of us who don't practice mind reading why the heck does that prove anything??

Then we have the Bible thumper in the person of the lovely Vemmawealth going on and on about nothing. . . Her main contention is that women aren't promised 72 virgin men. This blantant chauvinism is evidence that Islam is not the real religion. And if that isn't proof enough the Prophet's seizures, which is a clear case of demon possession (duh), definitely seals it.

Each side portraying their religion as the gentlest of all gentle doves and the rest of us are supposed to suspend disbelief or pretend we don't know the havoc both of wrecked on society's minds, bodies and souls.

Good times I tells ya! !

I have asked this question many times and never gotten an answer. How do you the Bible/Koran to prove a point to someone who doesn't believe in it?

khan2012: This is the problem I have with Islam, everything is by force, conversion is by force, see how you are talking with authority as if people dont have right to choose what to worship. This is the reason Somalia is burning in the name of Islam. I don't know of any so called Christian country that kill or send people to jail for converting to Islam or denouncing Christianity, but one dare not leave Islam for any other religion otherwise he will be killed.
I'm for freedom of religion, no religion is superior to the other. I still need answers to my many questions about Islam, please respond. Thank you.

Islam is not by force. am just emphasizing that islam destiny cannot be change.Islam is the only true religion and that its wing spreads across the continent.
it is the christians that always trick people to their religion by sugaries things.
Or hav u forgotten pastor oyedepo who wanted to trick his muslim sister wt wealth to his religion?
moreover, somalia and other muslims dominated area are only striving to defend their faith from westerner.

khan2012: This is the problem I have with Islam, everything is by force, conversion is by force, see how you are talking with authority as if people dont have right to choose what to worship. This is the reason Somalia is burning in the name of Islam. I don't know of any so called Christian country that kill or send people to jail for converting to Islam or denouncing Christianity, but one dare not leave Islam for any other religion otherwise he will be killed.
I'm for freedom of religion, no religion is superior to the other. I still need answers to my many questions about Islam, please respond. Thank you.

Islam is not by force. am just emphasizing that islam destiny cannot be change.Islam is the only true religion and that is why its wings spread across the continent.
it is the christians that always trick people to their religion by sugaries things.
Or hav u forgotten pastor oyedepo who wanted to trick his muslim sister wt wealth to his religion?
moreover, somalia and other muslims dominated area are only striving to defend their faith from westerner.

the first thing that will happen to any Igbo muslem d moment he converts to islam is EXCOMMUNICATION.
they only join it for d monetry aspect anyway