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Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 11:46am On Aug 04, 2023
It is written: there's darkness found in those that choose to walk outside the Kingdom of God: spreading false doctrines across the globe, leading people to their deaths without Jesus Christ there is no other God.
I blame the Watchtower: with their disorderly conduct" their corruption their deceit, their misleading lies and wonders leading those claiming to be Jehovah witnesses, they themselves haven't the slightest idea Jesus Christ Lives in the hearts of every man women and child who have chosen to believe.
Where in fact no other name is above Christ Jesus-no other name can save you-and there's no other name we are baptized with, there's only one LORD and Savor. Jesus Christ.
Religion / Re: My Experience At A Church Today Almost Made Me Cry by brocab: 7:54pm On Jul 06, 2023
Mr no-body went to the Watchtower-that made him cry because he was terrified, because he began realizing they don't worship after God they actually worship after demonic activity they call gods.
janetnwando:
excuse mr 'nobody`, ur post in december, 2015, about 'your ex-perience at a church today made u cry`. Permit me to ask, what is d name of d church ? Where`s it located? (maybe dat church`s familiar to me). Is d church u`re talking about, in barnawa, kaduna? Who`s d G.O of dat church?
Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 7:43pm On Jul 06, 2023
{John 1:6-14} There was a man sent from God whose name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe.
He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world.
He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.
The Jehovah witnesses claim they are God's people, and yet the Word say's His own did not recognize Him. so the Jehovah witnesses do not recognize Him.
Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 2:43am On Jun 26, 2023
i realize the Jehovah witnesses have trouble understanding the written Word of God: but if they were to just open up their dusty old bibles they will see it's written not only in other bibles-its written in their own NWT bible:
{Genesis 1:1} In the beginning {GOD} created the Heavens and the Earth.
{Genesis 1:2} And the {SPIRIT OF GOD} was hovering over the surface of the waters's.
So already we have two beings GOD AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD as One working together both created all things.
{John 1:1} In the beginning the {WORD} already existed, The {WORD WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD WAS GOD}
{John 1:2} He existed in the beginning with {GOD} {GOD CREATED EVERYTHING THROUGH HIM}
So now we have three separated beings {GOD THE SPIRIT OF GOD AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND IS GOD} working together-three beings as One GOD created all things.
Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 9:05pm On Jun 11, 2023
Max claiming to be a sound Bible scholar!, come on Max, you know nothing about the Bible-I would believe your mentally is as a child who have not got the skills as yet' to even understand the truth about the Holy Scriptures, you have not learnt how to read or write them Max.
Maybe a scholar in the occult .
MaxInDHouse:
Misinformed, deluded, arrogant, unquestionably stupid and idiotic churchgoer expecting a reply from a sound Bible scholar!
Keep waiting for reply o! cheesy
Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 9:10pm On Jun 10, 2023
II could believe Max does hear from a spirit: but not the Holy spirit: it's a proven fact the Watchtower is involved in Witchcraft, they do everything that is a abomination against the God we serve.
{1 kings 22:19-23} So it's not surprising if max is listening to a lying spirit: whom God allowed.
Plus do we really listen to Max: everything that max writes, we only find little truth in all what he has to say.
Max doesn't know the scriptures-nor does his comrades that stand by his side defending him, we will always stand by the Word of God defending it, but unfortunately the enemy will always find ways trying to destroy everything God has installed for us,
If Max knew the truth about God's people, he wouldn't be trying to rip down other believers outside his beloved watchtower organisation.{Mark 9:38} “ Now John answered Him, saying, “Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.
Now isn't this the same story with the Watchtower they forbid everybody outside their organisation.
{Mark 9:39} Do not stop him,” Jesus replied. “For no one who performs a miracle in My name can turn around and speak evil of Me.…
So does the Jehovah witnesses listen to the Word of God-"No they prefer to judge condemn and abuse everybody outside their organisation,.
johnw47:


jesus created the angel who later rebelled and became known as satan and the devil



false jw's certainly don't have the Holy Spirit, lost false jw mad max said
the Holy Spirit told him that olaadegbu, emusan and myself is the same person

mad max say's the same thing about many diffrent users, he is paranoid as hell
he said: "the Holy Spirit told me", < making the Holy Spirit to be a liar, very evil indeed

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Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 11:17pm On Jun 09, 2023
{Exodus 3:13-15} "But Moses said to God, 'If I come to the Israelites and say to them "The God of your ancestors has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' what shall I say to them?' God said to Moses, 'I AM who I AM.' He said further, 'Thus you shall say to the Israelites, 'I AM has sent me to you.' God also said to Moses, 'Thus you shall say to the Israelites, 'The Lord, the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you: This is my name forever, and this is my title for all generations'"
So if the Word tells us, as it's written< God said: to Moses tell the people His Name "I AM, who I AM" then this proves God's Name is not Jehovah-it's I AM.. I suppose Jehovah is just a name the Jehovah witnesses recognize him as their god.
Just like any other religion who see;s God by a name that was given by man, for them to recognize their god through worldly understanding.
The Jehovah witnesses are no different to the Seven day Adventist, no different to the Mormons, the Jehovah witnesses the Seven day Adventist and the Mormons were all connected to the Freemasons, who of course believed Jesus "THE" Son of God and Lucifer "A" son of God are brother angels.
They worship a different Jesus. one that is not recognized in the scriptures.
They preach another gospel; that has nothing to do with the God we serve, they have another spirit, but not the Holy Spirit.

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Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 11:27pm On Jun 06, 2023
Maximus692:
Jehovah's Witnesses, my God will continue to bless you guys for locating me! smiley
So does this mean the Jehovah witnesses don't have the same God as Max: Max is calling out to his own god to bless the Jehovah witnesses.
How many god's do they have: is their god's recognized something like angels: they believe Michael is Jesus-so obviously it's not surprising, what they believe, fancy having a separate little god for each person?
Moses asked God what name shall I tell the people who sent me, God replied to Moses 'tell My People "I AM who I AM sent you.
{Exodus 3:13-15} "But Moses said to God, 'If I come to the Israelites and say to them "The God of your ancestors has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' what shall I say to them?' God said to Moses, 'I AM who I AM.' He said further, 'Thus you shall say to the Israelites, 'I AM has sent me to you.' God also said to Moses, 'Thus you shall say to the Israelites, 'The Lord, the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you: This is my name forever, and this is my title for all generations'"

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Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 1:56am On Jun 06, 2023
This is why I like writing on this page, when I want to find idiots I seek after Jehovah witnesses, it doesn't matter how many verses we try to explain, they still don't see the light, they don't even realize their own bodies are made up with different organs that functions together to make up just one living being.
So their metal state of minds doesn't functions enough for them to work out how God created all that lives.
{Matthew 13:37} And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man,
{Luke 8:11} “Now the parable is this: the seed is the word of God.
Everything is made up with a seed-once God plants His seed, it begins living, but obviously this is to complicated for the Jehovah witnesses to understand how simple this is.
{Mark 12:27} He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly mistaken.”
So JW you are greatly mistaken, you don't have the knowledge to understand the Word of God.
{John 8:44} The Watchtower dances with the Devil-an organisation they are lairs from the beginning, refusing the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit working together as One-Our Lord came as a man to save ..
The Jehovah witnesses came to steal kill and destroy the Word of God.

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Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 10:23pm On Jun 05, 2023
I didn't think you would understand something that is so simple to acknowledge-you obviously don't understand the Word of God, I realize the Jehovah witnesses don't have the right skills to learn such simple knowledge-I was only trying to help you with some type of understanding, but obviously your understanding of the Word of God is nil. .
I suppose you will never understand this either,.it takes two separate persons, a male and a female to plant a seed 'to have a child.
{Genesis 1:28} God had just finished all His creation, ending with His masterpieces, the very first man and woman, when He told them to be fruitful and multiply
So I suppose you not knowing how the seed works, than maybe you were the only child that was born under a rock, "a rock child where no seed is found.
Aemmyjah:


Your family too are like apple with seed that will still produce
De play

Jesus said his father is greater than himself

Imagine someone in the 21st century using apple to describe the relationship between father and son
Na wa o

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Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 2:16am On Jun 05, 2023
We don't listen to you-nor half of the Jehovah witnesses listen to you either-so really you are a waste of space, everything you put up on line, you can't explain the scriptures properly, you have no understanding what the Word of God is saying, none of what you write on page makes any sense.
Janosky:


What a shameless advertisement for polytheism!

Brocab the devotee of two "distinct deities & a ghost." grin grin grin grin

Romans 11:35-36, Jesus Christ came through God his Father.
Brocab, did you come through your father?

These Trinitarians are very desperate to CHANGE the holy scriptures, but they CAN'T TWIST Romans 11:35-36.


@ Mark 13:19 & Revelation 3:14, jessus is the beginning of creation by God.

Mark 13:19 the expression, "the beginning of creation by God", CAN'T be TWISTED.
The same expression stands solidly in Revelation 3:14.

Trinitarians shamelessly coined "God the son" (not in the Bible) for their monumental fraud.
Trinity is a scam.

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Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 10:37pm On Jun 04, 2023
I am not expecting the Jehovah witnesses to understand how simple life is-where life begins, and how it began-but it is quiet simple to have some understanding, about the facts how all life begins..
Now we all come from a seed before we were born, and every living thing God created began with a seed-just like the bible say's Jesus is the seed which He planted before we became a living being.
If I was to pick an apple of a tree, I would find that apple can't grow without the tree supporting it, and the tree wouldn't be able to grow without it's roots supporting it, and the roots wouldn't be able to grow without the seed that was planted.
So now we have only "ONE TREE" that has OTHER members supporting it, first the root's then we have the trunk which grows into a tree, then the branches then the leaves, then it buds, then it flowers then it becomes the apple.
Many members that supports One apple tree, working together, but it's still only One tree.
A apple has three separate parts that makes it one apple, the skin, the fruit inside the skin, and the core, three separate members working together making it One apple.
And don't forget about the seeds found in the core, that produces more apple trees..
So if you can' understand nature: and how many members it needs to make up One apple, then just maybe you could understand the God-head, The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit working together as One.
Aemmyjah:


Brocab came through his father cos he is actually is father. If you don gerrit, forget abarrit grin
Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 3:11am On May 31, 2023
Go out and preach the gospel: What you are not Christian to even realize that..
{Mark 16:15} And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
MightySparrow:



What did the Lord tell you exactly?
Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 3:06am On May 31, 2023
Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 2:55am On May 31, 2023
I know: but they aren't the only ones that come to this page: many people open up to these pages to find truth, and many are saved, the Lord knows we are reaching out spreading the gospel.
The Lord will direct the right people, find the truth they are searching for.
We are no different to a street or a Church preacher, there's always someone out there who will try and debate against the Living Word.
Matter of fact: I am sure we all like the debates, this gives us the time to study, digging more into the Word of God.
Which of course helps us know the Lord better.
Either we are right or wrong-we are here learning the scriptures.
There's so much to learn, I am not concerned about other religious concepts, I realize bibles today read slightly different from each other and it can be confusing at times.
I don't know if you have experienced this before with God?
Now I am not one to try and rip the bible apart, tare it down, but I believe when the Lord speaks to me through my dreams, visions and thoughts and Word. it's He who directs me to scripture, not through my own understanding of the Word, but through His understanding, I am now seeing it come alive before my eye's the living Word of God.
Which of course through His own eye's, I see Black and White, but through God's eye's I am now seeing the Word shown to me, "Living in me.
When God see's us studying His Word, seeking Him: He shows us through His Word what He has installed for us. It could take years before we realize it's God working through us to accomplish our goals. His Changes us for His Glory.
Prophesies are given by God to let His people know the future events, throughout the Old Testament God spoke to all the men and women who recognized His Presents and worshiped Him.
God has not changed, it's us that change, I find myself not doing the old school yard lifestyle anymore. Why? Because I choose to seek after Him. God never Changed-He is, and always will be the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He will continual to speak with His people, just like He did with our ancestors, He will continual to speak with us..
I don't focus upon arguments over the two God's theory, if it was written before 325 AD, before the Holy Spirit was ever mentioned.
I couldn't even tell you when the bible was actually written-I can be guessing like everybody else who thinks he/she have all the answers, I realize the Roman Catholic Church had destroyed many manuscripts, I could look up on line for more information why they chose to hide God's Word away from the people. But it doesn't concern me right now.
New Testament was inspired by the Holy Spirit for the disciple to write the manuscripts, in the old Testament many manuscripts were written by people through dreams, visions and prophesies.
If the Jehovah witnesses want to argue over words that really doesn't make a difference to any of us that have fellowship with God, and if they want to prove God's name is Jehovah, then obviously they are barking up the wrong tree.
God has many Names people from different languages from all walks of life, knew God through their own understanding, none of them recognized God through that Name back then.
The Watchtower had only been running for over 200 years. the spelling of "Jehovah" didn't even exist before that time.
The Spirit of God had always existed, this is all the evidence I need.
MightySparrow:


Don't expect the conceited JWs to give you any audience. Janosky himself is a cut - and - paste blind follower of deluded GB .
The JWs on this platform will always request for a private ' Bible Study ' why can they put all of their arguments here for all to reason out?

Don't expect anyone of them to have any discussion with you. They are cowardly and dishonest.
Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 11:43pm On May 30, 2023
I am not interested in Watchtower literature!
The truth is, the Watchtower don't have fellowship with God Himself, they never experienced dreams or visions, matter of fact none of them have actually heard God's Voice-directing them to scripture.
So it's quite obvious why many religions cults etc finds other resources to gain access into the underworld, they search high and low to gain information who they think God should sound like 'just in their own little minds.
If you people knew: many of us actually hear from God-God Himself directs us to scripture, the very same scripture you refuse to acknowledge.
Of course you wouldn't agree with us, this never happens in your organisation ''God doesn't speak to people.
He speaks to His people one must be born again before he can enter into the Kingdom of God.
And the Jehovah witnesses are not Born Again, so there's no fellowship with the Father who art in Heaven.
Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 11:28pm On May 30, 2023
{Genesis 1:2} The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
After Jesus was crucified the Holy Spirit was then giving to Born again Christians, before the Holy Spirit was found in Aaron's temples, God's spirit have always been around since time began. We know Him: by name 'The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are One.
Thing's changed since Jesus had been crucified: a new Covenant had been made, no longer do we have to visit a temple and ask the Pharisees to ask God for our forgiveness or repentance, no longer do we have to tithe for the remission of sins each year, as it was in the old Covenant law and commandments the Lord had with His people, since, the Holy Spirit was given to man kind-now you may disagree with us sharing the Word of God, you may only see we are debating against the Jehovah witnesses, well this time you are wrong, people from all walks of life open up to these pages 'searching for truth.
It takes 'One at a time, I know many are being saved through Christ everyday, it's no different to street preaching-there's always someone who will debate against the preacher, we are sharing the gospel just like the Lord tells us to do.
MightySparrow:



I know we have agreed not to debate each other. I don't expect any answers from you. I don't want it either.
Your claim is wrong. The early Church Fathers that met in various synods first agreed on two Gods in One, years later Holy Spirit was added.

In your book, you teach 325 AD. It is wrong. You misinform people.

It was a progressive doctrinal development. First, two, about half a century later, the third was added in another reform of doctrines.
There was no Egyptian or Babylonian influences but pure scriptural interpretations and group discussions.

Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 1:18am On May 30, 2023
What is the another meaning of deity?
A god or supreme being. Lord. Almighty. Father. Creator.
Janosky "When attempting to answer the question of “was Jesus created?” there is no better person to look to than Jesus Himself.
During His public ministry, Jesus continually assumed for Himself divine prerogatives.
He continually exercised rights that would never be appropriate for a created being. He said that He was “Lord of the Sabbath” {Mark 2:28} and, since the Sabbath was instituted by God, Jesus’ claim to be “Lord” of the Sabbath was an assertion of deity.
Jesus spoke of His unique, intimate knowledge of the Father {Matthew 11:27} and of the glory He shared with the Father “before the world began” {John 17:5}
Jesus accepted the worship of others {Matthew 14:32–33} and described a future time when He will sit in judgment over all nations {Matthew 25:31–44}
Luke tells us that Jesus went so far as to personally forgive a woman’s sins—something only God can do—and attributed her forgiveness to her faith in Him {Luke 7:48–50}
Jesus’ disciples were equally clear in their belief in Jesus’ deity and uncreated nature.
John tells us that “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word {Jesus} was God” {John 1:1}
After having encountered the risen Jesus, the apostle Thomas exclaimed to Him, “My Lord and my God!” {John 20:28}
Now if the Jehovah witnesses claim to be the disciples of Christ: then why aren't they spreading the truth about Christ now? when in fact the disciples seen and heard everything Jesus said and done-the disciples even claimed, witnessed that Jesus is God Himself.
The apostle Paul referred to Christ as “God over all” {Romans 9:5} and stated that “in {Christ} the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily” {Colossians 2:9}
In the early days of the church, Jesus was both the object of prayer {Acts 7:59} and the One in whose name the forgiveness of sins was proclaimed {Acts 2:38; 10:43}
After having interrogated Christians under the threat of death, the Roman administrator Pliny the Younger wrote in his letter to the Emperor Trajan {c. AD 110)} that “{the Christians} were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light when they sang in alternative verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god” {Letters 10.96}
Jesus, God the Son, was not created. He has always existed; He has no beginning or end. The Son took on human flesh at a particular point in human history {John 1:14}
Christians refer to this event as the Incarnation {“the act of being made flesh”}
This act was integral to our salvation {Galatians 4:4–5; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 9:22}
From the Incarnation onward, the eternal, uncreated Son is both truly God and truly man.
But there was never a time when the Son did not exist.
He was never created. Jesus always was and will forever remain “our great God and Savior” {Titus 2:13}
So Janosky when you are ready to sit down with John 47 or myself, we will direct you in the right direction, you need saving and Christ is the only One who can save you.
Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 12:33am On May 30, 2023
Jehovah’s Witnesses say that Jesus was the first creation of Jehovah and was originally called Michael the archangel.
{Jude 1:9} "But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”
When reading the verse, Michael told the Devil the Lord rebuke you, if Michael was Jesus, just like the Jehovah witnesses say He is, then why didn't Michael say I rebuke you. Obviously Michael was preferring to Jesus as our Lord and savor. The King of kings and the Lords of Lords.
Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 12:22am On May 30, 2023
The Bible teaches that Jesus was not created but was rather the Creator.
“In {Jesus Christ} all things were created: . . . all things have been created through him and for him” {Colossians 1:16}
But Janosky you don't read the bible to even acknowledge such wisdom. it's to much for you to recognize the truth whom Christ is.
Janosky:


What a shameless advertisement for polytheism!

Brocab the devotee of two "distinct deities & a ghost." grin grin grin grin

Romans 11:35-36, Jesus Christ came through God his Father.
Brocab, did you come through your father?

These Trinitarians are very desperate to CHANGE the holy scriptures, but they CAN'T TWIST Romans 11:35-36.


@ Mark 13:19 & Revelation 3:14, jessus is the beginning of creation by God.

Mark 13:19 the expression, "the beginning of creation by God", CAN'T be TWISTED.
The same expression stands solidly in Revelation 3:14.

Trinitarians shamelessly coined "God the son" (not in the Bible) for their monumental fraud.
Trinity is a scam.
Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 12:17am On May 30, 2023
Christians are the light of the world. When was the jehovah witnesses ever recognized as devil worshipers. Was it when they denied Christ as our savor.
MaxInDHouse:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the light of the world! smiley
Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 2:17am On May 29, 2023
Max: this is the Word of God: and the bible is where we retrieve our wisdom and knowledge from, how can anybody believe you when in fact you disagree with the written Word Of God.
Scripture upon scripture there's to many proven facts Jesus is who He say's He is.
Why believe you are Christ like: claiming to be Christian when you disagree with His Word.
You have no solid evidence to prove your facts, the Watchtower have failed to give evidence to prove otherwise that their doctrine is true and correct.
As far as I can remember: the Watchtower had brought only one thing to the world' spreading their false prophesies lies and wonders.

Jesus Christ Is God

{John 1:14; 5:17–18; 10:30, 36–38; 12:45; 14:7, 9–11} John would emphasize the deity of Christ throughout his Gospel
{Revelation 19:13} In the book of Revelation, John reintroduces Jesus as the “Word of God”

Jesus Christ Is Eternal

John describes Jesus as pre-existent. Jesus was in the beginning with God means He was already present in {Genesis 1:1} when the universe began. He has always existed {John 8:58}
The writer of Hebrews applies {Psalm 102:25–27} to Jesus:
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundation of the earth and made the heavens with your hands.
They will perish, but you remain forever. They will wear out like old clothing. You will fold them up like a cloak and discard them like old clothing. But you are always the same; you will live forever” {Hebrews 1:10–12}

{John 17:5, John 17:24} Jesus Himself revealed in prayer that He shares in God’s eternality: “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began”
{Revelation 1:8} Again, in the book of Revelation, Jesus declares, “I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end. . . . I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One”

Jesus Christ Is Creator

{John 1:3, John 1:10} Jesus was in the beginning with God means that Jesus was not a created being but an active co-Creator with God.
The term for “with” in the original Greek expresses a living, dynamic union in the closest, most intimate sense.
John could not state it any more precisely: “God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him”
{Colossians 1:16} The apostle Paul confirms, “For through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see—such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him”

Jesus Christ Is God the Son

Jesus was in the beginning with God also supports the doctrine of the Trinity. Jesus is God, yet He was “with God.” Jesus is distinct in His personhood from God the Father; He is God the Son. They are One but not identical. They interact with one another.
The world was created by God through Jesus: “There is one God, the Father, by whom all things were created, and for whom we live. And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created, and through whom we live” {1 Corinthians 8:6}

Max: this is the Word of God: every Christian have it written down in the bibles, do you still disagree.

As members of the Trinity, the Father and Son act distinctly but in close collaboration with one another {Genesis 1:1–3, John 1:1–3}
{2 Corinthians 4:6} “ The apostle Paul further describes this collaborative action in “For God, who said, ‘Let there be light in the darkness,’ has made this light shine in our hearts so we could know the glory of God that is seen in the face of Jesus Christ”
Jesus reveals “the visible image of the invisible God” {Colossians 1:15–17}
{Hebrews 1:3} “The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command”
Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 1:05am On May 29, 2023
Max:
{ Psalms 33:6} By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.
Max: It was the Word: that created the heavens. And who is the Word Max: John introduces Jesus as “The Word” {John 1:1}.
{Genesis 1} In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
In the beginning God spoke His Word: Jesus is the Word Max:
{John 1:1-3} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made”
So if the Word was God: then Jesus and God are One, and if Jesus and God are One then the Spirit of God are One with them.
{John 1:14} “The Word” (Logos in Greek) is an undeniable reference to Jesus Christ, as the Word was made flesh.
If the Word was made flesh: then Jesus {Word} was the beginning of creation.
John would emphasize the deity of Christ throughout his Gospel {John 1:14; 5:17–18; 10:30, 36–38; 12:45; 14:7, 9–11}
{Revelation 19:13} In the book of Revelation, John reintroduces Jesus as the “Word of God”
Max: you can argue facts-but without evidence you haven't got a leg to stand on-your organisation can't prove your facts that every religion would agree upon, "you can't prove you are right and the bible is wrong, "there are to many Scriptures that gives as the evidence that proves whom the Word is, the Word became flesh. Just as the scriptures tells us {Jesus is the Word from the beginning of time}
Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 7:29pm On May 27, 2023
In my bible it talks about three persons-the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, and I am reading the King James version.
Max: the New World Translation Watchtower bible only mentions Jehovah-little about Jesus, very little about the Holy Spirit and nothing about the Father.
{Matthew 28:19} Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
Now Max: had you ever wondered why this verse was written? the Lord wrote baptize them in three names, the Father the Son and the Holy spirit. "In three names. Max:
And yet you claim your bible only speaks of Jehovah and Jesus two separate people.
My bible tells me, Jesus became a man and God is Spirit.
I realize: if you were Born Again: you would be able to understand, how simple it sounds-three working together as One.
But I am not expecting you to know this type of knowledge, that even a Child could understand it.
MaxInDHouse:


The word "TRINITY" was gotten from pagans in ancient Egyptian, Babylonian and Greek mythology so the committee that established Roman Catholic Church adopted the concept in order to gain approval among pagans but it has nothing to do with God's word Bible!

There are only two persons the Bible talks about throughout the Bible:
©Jehovah the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! Exodus 6:2-3
©Jesus of Nazareth who is the Messiah sent by Jehovah! Deuteronomy 18:18-19; Act 3:22

God's Holy Spirit is not a person but the energy God uses to accomplish His purposes, it's noticed when God is at work! Genesis 1:2

That's why Jesus told his disciples the two main entities they need to know in person:

"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ" John 17:3

So it's the knowledge of only two persons are needed for salvation not three, God's Holy Spirit is not a person.

Thanks, God bless you and may you have PEACE! smiley

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Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 2:18am On May 27, 2023
Today was an interesting day, while speaking with the neighbors, I had noticed Jehovah Witnesses were door knocking around the neighborhood, strangely enough the neighbors dog began barking as the Jehovah Witnesses were walking our way.
While the dog was barking the Jehovah Witnesses turned around and walked the other way.
It amazes me about the animal kingdom, they really know how to pick up senses-especially when they feel en-danged, something they sensed was un natural, spirituality they knew something wasn't right.
Well as a Child of God I also sense the same feeling about the Jehovah Witnesses-there's a spiritual danger we need to be aware off.
Normally this dog is usually friendly towards the neighborhood, not even those delivering the post are worried, but as soon as the Jehovah Witnesses decide to walk our streets the dog was going mental, the dog was lining himself up for an attack, the dog was protecting, If the dog wasn't on a lead-the dog would have ripped them apart.
I suppose this is a good reason why people have pets-they sense the danger before many humans-I myself can't see the un-natural,so obviously the dog sensed an un-natural presents evil presents-either, on or above the Jehovah Witnesses, matter of fact when I was looking at the Jehovah Witnesses from a short distance-it was like looking at a dark cloud, their light doesn't shine.
Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 11:21pm On May 25, 2023
This shows how difficult it must be for you Max: you can't think of anything else to say: you haven't got any scripture to back up your theory Max.
At least we have the Word of God, which of course it backs up our beliefs: you haven't got that Max.
People are crying out Max: they need Christ to save them, we are born again believers-we were given the Holy Spirit He gave us the power { the Word of God} to help bring them to Christ, your refusal against Christ and the Holy Spirit doesn't give you that power Max: you can't give people that promise 'they are now saved in Christ:
{Ephesians 2:7-9} In order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast.…
Max: have you read verse "9" we are not saved by works. so your boasting about your works is useless.
Max: What should happen in the life of a believer who has truly believed and responded to the gospel?
Peter talks about the proper results of salvation, read what he says:
{1 Peter 1:22} “Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth”
Max: he says we have been “purified” by “obeying the truth,” he is talking about our salvation through faith in Christ.
The same Christ you refuse to acknowledge Max:
{Romans 10:9-10} Peter seems to be calling our “faith” obedience. God has called us to believe in the Son as our Lord and Savior.
Do you realize Max: you disagree with the Word of God-you would prefer to be part of the Watchtower who forces people to be saved through works to build up the Watchtowers foundation: the very same organisation that refuses Christ to be Lord and savor.
Don't you realize Max: coming to Christ is free of charge-no labor for any organisation is required.
You are preaching another gospel Max: one that cannot save you.

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Religion / Re: What Are The Benefits Of Praying In Tongues? - Joseph Prince by brocab: 2:07am On May 25, 2023
Is Joseph Prince Christian?
Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 1:43am On May 25, 2023
Now we realize your many comrades have abandoned you, so we will go easy on you: now be wise and open up the Word of God: do you realize Max: many who have opened this page have learnt the scriptures through us, now many didn't understand the Word of God before, but now they are learning the scriptures, and now they have began to open up their bibles asking Jesus into their hearts, many are now saved in Christ.
Now I don't believe your teachings could bring anybody to Christ-when in fact you refuse to accept Christ as our savor.
So what gospel you have brought to this page is just gibberish: makes no sense to anybody who is in their right mind.
If you knew Christ: you wouldn't be rubbishing everything that is written in the Word of God.
Adding your own gibberish that none of it is scriptural, if only you knew what path you are walking down Max: maybe then you will realize you are taking yourself and your family further away from God Himself.
So if I was you: I would be taking notes: your family with you will not die peacefully, you will die denying Christ as our Lord and savor, do you realize it's your denial, your refusal is a sin against God Himself.
If I was you I would think hard about it...

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Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 12:50am On May 25, 2023
Unfortunately we are here defending Christ: you may not agree with it-but that's why we are here Max. ''We realize you don't have enough sense to even try to understand it, but that's what we do.
Now we Christians know you haven't the slightest idea who Christ is-but we are here to teach you through Word who Christ is.
Now it's up to you, to either open up your bible and learn the Word of God, just as it's written: or you can test the Words we write-just like the Bereans did when Paul spoke God's Word.
{Acts 17:11} These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.
So we are going to leave this to you to decide Max: you either take note and learn the scriptures, just like we do every time we read our bibles, spreading the gospel around the globe. or just keep on ignoring it 'refusing to acknowledge the truth what the scriptures say about God Himself.
And Max: no one cares about your denomination where you are from, we care about spreading the truth to the nations:
If you are in the way or not, we will defend what we know. Don't forget Max: we are from the four corners of all nations, I am not from Naira.
MaxInDHouse:
Walahi talahi at times it's fun drilling into the skulls of some atheists claiming believers.
At the mention of Jehovah's Witnesses they're tormented and they will start typing gibberish as if they have something worthwhile to say but in reality they're just envious of the one and only group practicing Christianity! cheesy

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Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 3:54am On May 24, 2023
{Ephesians 2:5} even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ {by grace you have been saved},
It just shows how Spiritually dead the Jehovah witnesses are: if they knew through Grace we have been saved-then just maybe they would have a chance to survive. If they stay on course believing everything the Word of God has in stall for us all.
{Christ saves us}

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Religion / Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 12:28am On May 24, 2023
They are practicing something: but it aren't got anything to do with the scriptures concerning Christ.
MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah's Witnesses: The one and only group practicing Christianity!

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Religion / Re: Would Someone Go To Hell If He Doesn't Do Water Baptism? by brocab: 6:23am On May 22, 2023
{1 Corinthians 10:1-3} I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud, and that they all passed through the sea.They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food…
Year by year they brought their products to the temple for the remissions of their sins.
Don't forget the Holy Spirit would show Himself when Aaron the high priest entered into the chambers.
Through Jesus we have the Holy Spirit in our hearts-He teaches us all things to know about the scriptures of understanding. We don't need to travel to the temple to ask the priest for our forgiveness of sin. We can ask the Lord for our forgiveness in the comforts of our homes.
{1 Peter 3:20-22} who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water. And this water symbolizes the baptism that now saves you also not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to Him.…
So the man on the cross was baptized, he just needed to believe Jesus to be saved.
JeSoul:
Common now Chukwudi smiley you know different.

What water baptism did the thief on the cross next to Jesus go through? yet Jesus promised him he would be with Him together in paradise that day.

The woman caught in adultery. Did Jesus tell her "go and be baptized in order to escape hell"? No. He simply said "go and sin no more". Water Baptism is a part of the faith, a symbolic act. It is by no means a requirement to be saved.

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