LordIsaac:
False Prophets!😊

There are no true prophets out there either.

AbuTwins:
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Hebrew 13:8 Replace Jesus with God! Jesus= God!

Jesus Christ is indeed God, but the same Scripture reveals that Jesus Christ is not the God that is YHWH, the God of Israel. the one to whom all the verses you posted in your OP make direct reference.

In the same Scripture, you are presented with the possibility which is that the YHWH image, or at least the image of God — Let us make man in our image — can be created in a Man. God, in the beginning, created man(at least the first man and woman) in His image. so?

beryledibor:
■ If not for her carelessness, she almost made it.

She told you it was carelessness on her part or do you assume it to be that? Also, do you mean she would have made it as if marriage was her ultimate goal or something? She told you this herself?

Houseontherock1:
God is the same yesterday, today and forever! How then did He change? People can have different opinions of Him, but He remains the same with HIS own attributes

Where is the statement in bold taken from?

skotowa:
■ Kobo with his confusional statements, if you ask him now, he will say he is a follower of jesus christ. The word christian was derived from that "christ" anyway. This means that kobo is the only christian on earth, all other people are fake.
Don't bother replying with your bible verses

So any word derived from your name has everything to do with you, right? If a fraudster creates, for instance, an ID for himself and even a bank account using your name, and maybe your NIN, the fraudster and everything he does with that ID and bank account is you, right?

beryledibor:
■ Her parents are divorced, so she and the children living with maternal grandmother. The first of the children was taken by a distant relative. 3 are with grandma. She gave the 5th for adoption. She is now back at home with another baby, making 4 with grandma. My point is that if she's okay, those children will also be okay.

How in the world can you guarantee this particular in this current economic situation for Pete's sake?

wittywriter:
■ Life is never balanced. Wittyness

Instead, Christianity is a religion that is not at all balanced. With over 47,000 denominations and counting, not a single one of them aligned with the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ contained in the Gospels, one need not wonder why it seems every other season/day a new solution is proffered by the same very same people whose previous solution already failed so many before.

The Christian way is always everything but Jesus Christ!

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beryledibor:
■ You won't understand, if I tried to explain, I will expose myself

Understand that you feel impacted and seem to have a problem with the way this particular woman has chosen to live what is her own life? Understand that your posting her story which you seem to have followed a great deal is to get us to believe your circumstance, whatever it may be, is better than hers. I am just curious is all.

beryledibor:
■ I'm just sad for her. From Grass to Grace back to Grass.

Sad for her why? She chose her lot, so, why do you feel she deserves your pity or that it matters to her? I am even surprised that it truly is not the kids you are concerned about. Does feeling sad for her make you feel happy for yourself or what? I am curious!

beryledibor:
■ She started giving birth at 16 years, an unwanted pregnancy that ended her secondary education so I heard… I started following her story when she gave birth to her fifth. As usual, nobody claimed responsibility for the child. She was jobless and had no support from family or her numerous boyfriends. She abandoned the child at a crèche and the owner of the school later adopted the kid. When we heard she was married, we were genuinely happy for her. Everybody deserves a second chance. But we fear for the man. The man even promised her a car if she gives birth to a boy She did give birth to a boy but as fate would have it one of the guests identified her. The guest insisted that the pig can be taken from the gutter but the gutter cannot be taken the pig. To be sure, they conducted a DNA test on the boy. She is now back on the street with 6 fatherless children. Just a young girl of 24 years. Note: Picture for illustration only

So? What is the point behind your telling us her story @OP? Na ofofo you wan do abi wetin?

siant:
Jehovah witness is never a Christian organization

Get over yourself already!

I am not even a Christian and I don't follow your religion or any for that matter. From where I sit, you are more closely aligned with the Jehovah's Witnesses who like you do not believe in the God of Israel and His Son Jesus Christ even though by mouth you all claim to.

According to Jesus Christ, the Father sent His prophets and the tenants beat them and did all sorts of things to them. Then lastly, the Father is said to have sent His own Son, and we know the tenants killed him off. So why would the Father send more prophets after that? You think the Father is some sort of fool or slowpoke since you don't believe any of what Jesus Christ said.

safarifarms:
■ Very funny conclusions. I’m not one who seeks out religion. My communication so far should have made that clear. All these assumptions and postulations you have come up with are addressed by earlier scriptures.
■ You ought to be lost. Even the Pharisees couldn’t understand the Messiah’s death on the cross, that’s why they are still waiting for the Messiah.
■ Lol.
John 10:28-29 (New International Version)
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. [/b]29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; [b]no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
John 17:12 (New International Version)
12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by[a] that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.

If this is truly the case, then help me understand by answering the questions posed.

▶ How can the Words of the one who is God's very Truth — the Words out of God's mouth — not be enough information for one to receive Salvation?
▶ How can God's Law be considered incomplete when it comes to containing the terms and conditions — all that is required — for one to obtain the salvation(s) offered by God? Doesn't that then mean God is incompetent and hence untrustworthy?
▶ Why are the words of Jesus Christ not enough that you seek the words of others instead?

2. Jesus Christ I clearly understand. It is you that I do not understand. You claimed Jesus Christ was influenced by God's Will & Law. I would very much like to understand why anyone would come to such a conclusion regarding Jesus Christ submitting Himself to obeying the Will of His Father.

As for why Jesus Christ died on the cross, well, He told you Himself in the Gospels that it was so that He could gain the Kingdom and all for Himself. Read John 10 and John 16 - 17 for more insight.

3. But, indeed, no one can snatch those whom the Father has given to Him as part of His Kingdom from Him. After all, if you read Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, the one who carried out the sentencing of the goats, the King of Hell, is Jesus Christ Himself. Both the sheep and the goats belong to Him for eternity, and even after sentencing the goats to the place of Eternal Damnation, they remain a part of the domain ruled by Him forever. Why do you not see that?

safarifarms:
■ Oh, I see. You are of the school of thought that believes Jesus and God are different. I can see where you are coming from.
■ Wow. So what do you call someone who teaches? teacher /ˈtiːtʃə/ (noun): a person who teaches, especially in a school.
■ Yes Jesus did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it and he did fulfill it. The Law had a purpose to accomplish which was accomplished (fulfilled). So Jesus indeed fulfilled the law and the prophets. The predictions of the Law and the Prophets concerning the Messiah was realized in Jesus; the holy standard of the Law was perfectly upheld by Christ (unbehalf of those who believe), the strict requirements personally obeyed, and the ceremonial observances finally and fully satisfied. The purpose of the law as a school master was also accomplished. So having served its purpose it became obsolete (according to the Bible). And the Law (works) cannot bring you salvation. It was just a shadow of the new covenant that came through Jesus.
■ I don’t know where the idea of battling hypocrites comes from. I can’t remember claiming he came to battle hypocrites. My only mention of the hypocrites was the context for which he said people should not be called Teachers and he’s the one who identified those people as hypocrites.
■ You mixed things up here. I said that beyond what Jesus teaches, the Apostles were also led by the spirit of to teach more and I added that they are still men and hence fallible.

1. Jesus Christ was not suffering from DID(dissociative identity disorder); He made it abundantly clear in His Gospels that there existed a separation between His Will and the Will of His Father. Jesus Christ is most definitely not YHWH and YHWH is mostly definitely not Jesus Christ even though Jesus Christ is in the Father and the Father is equally in Jesus Christ(they share the same roots as far as that which makes up who Jesus Christ is).

2. But this isn't about the school setting where you have one person over the other, this is instead where you have one servant sent out to bring in another servant from the outside into the master. There is no hierarchy here between the servants; as a matter of fact, the one who goes out to preach is expected to lower himself as a slave world to accomplish His master's task, and as such it is different from what those of the Old Law had in place as far as teaching was concerned. Remember, the Kingdom of God is a Kingdom not of this world and so everything needs to be considered as presented in the teachings of Jesus Christ and not as explained by the world.

3. First of all, Jesus Christ was born an Israelite and all Israelites were required in those days to fulfill the Law. So, when Jesus Christ said He came to fulfill the Law, He meant that He came to do what every Israelite was required to do. As for fulfilling the prophecies regarding His person, prophecies that were made by the Prophets, well, that too happened but not all of it took place before His death. The problem now comes when you claim that the Law of Moses is obsolete when neither God nor Jesus Christ said such things. Even to this day we speak, every Israelite born into this world is born under the weight of that same Law which you claim has been made obsolete. To add to it all, when Jesus Christ returns at the time of the resurrection, He will rule over God's Israel by way of that same Law of Moses which you claim has been made obsolete. I don't know where in Scripture you claim you get that the Law has become obsolete but I can tell you for a fact that that claim is erroneous.

4. By suggesting that Jesus Christ only made those statements because He was surrounded by hypocrites and the sort, you presented a situation where Jesus Christ sort of had a personal issue with them or something. He didn't at all. He came to deliver God's new Law and agreement to the people, and He used everything including trees, herbs, etc, to get His teachings across to His followers and that was simply that.

5. And it is to this that I responded that that is impossible because to teach more would mean they had to add, change, and modify that which Jesus Christ already taught and declared to be God's everlasting Truth. That act would set them against Jesus Christ — antiChrist. Recall, that Jesus Christ warned His followers not to teach any ideas/doctrines and traditions that were not of Him— not in compliance with that which He already set down as Law for them— using His name.

siant:
No, you have a teacher who is always lie ant misleading you

Like I said, 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

My only Teacher is Jesus Christ Himself and according to Him, all of the Prophets were Holy and RIghteous men at the time that God chose them. And He says God was not lying to the people of Israel when He told them that He wished for them to hear Him speak to Moses. Jesus Christ says that all that is revealed of God in Scripture by His Prophets and Jesus Christ are Truths. But since your own belief leads you to believe otherwise, then clearly, we could not be serving or even talking here of the very same God, can we then?

I shouldn't waste my time as I am interested in that which is right in front of me rather than all of these meaningless engagements. That is my reason for quitting at this point.

siant:
Of course, you need to exit or go back to your spiritual leader/ mentor to give you another lie. Because you guys are liar!

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My only Teacher is Jesus Christ Himself and according to Him, all of the Prophets were Holy and RIghteous men at the time that God chose them. And He says God was not lying to the people of Israel when He told them that He wished for them to hear Him speak to Moses. Jesus Christ says that all that is revealed of God in Scripture by His Prophets and Jesus Christ are Truths. But since your own belief leads you to believe otherwise, then clearly, we could not be serving or even talking here of the very same God, can we then?

I shouldn't waste my time as I am interested in that which is right in front of me rather than all of these meaningless engagements. That is my reason for quitting at this point.

siant:
■ It was never the God's plan to speak directly with all the people of Israel. He spoke through the certain people, called prophets. Even, Noah, the first man who the Bible refered to as a prophet had to receive messages from God and deliver them to the people of his time. If it was intention of God to speak directly with them, He would have easily done that instead of sending Noah to them.
God came down on mountain Sinai in the cloud and darkness with great thunder to make the Israelites fear Him and believe Moses His servant. Not that He wanted to speak directly with them. That was why He warned them not to come near the mountain. And He called Moses alone to come over into the darkness.
' And Moses said unto the people, fear not, for God is come to prove you and His fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not'. Exodus 20:20Stop lying.
■ Daniel prophesied the end of the old order and the beginning of new order, not about putting an end to prophecies and vision. You shot yourself in the leg. If there would be an end to vision and prophecy, why did Joel said ' your young will see vision, your old will dream? Why did the same God of the spirit of the prophets gave vision to John to warn the 7 churches in Asia minor?
■ There's no where that the Bible says the prophets of old were holy and more righteous than the new testament prophets. You claim there were more prophet after Christ, you are still saying the new testament prophets were sinners whom God cursed. Perhaps you should give an example.
■ None among all the prophets of old was holy. They were all sinners like every other men. Moses was a murderer and adulterer who married a strange woman contrary to the law that God gave the Israelites through himself, Samuel was never holy, Elijah was a murderer, so also Elisha. Isaiah confessed himself he was a sinner. No body can be pure in the face of God, except through the precious blood of Jesus. Only the righteousness of Christ can make anyone a righteous before God. It is not by your struggles and perfection. The scriptures says, ' He knew no sin, but was made a sin for us, so that by Him, we might become righteousness of God.'

1. What you are saying is that God lied to the people of Israel to cun them to accept Moses as His servant. He never intended to speak directly to them as He said in Exodus 19.

7 So Moses climbed down the mountain and called the elders of the people together. Moses told the elders everything the Lord had commanded him to tell them.
8 All the people spoke at the same time and said, “We will obey everything the Lord says.” Then Moses went back up the mountain and told the Lord that the people would obey him.
9 Then the Lord said to Moses, “I will come to you in the thick cloud. I will speak to you. All the people will hear me talking to you. I will do this so that they will always believe what you tell them.” - Exodus 19 vs 7 - 9

His plan all along was to deceive the people into allowing Moses to be their guide in the desert?

2. You said Daniel prophesied regarding the end of the Old and the beginning of the New. Well, the same end that Daniel had a vision regarding is the very same end that Joel equally wrote of when he announced that God would pour out His Spirit on all the young men and women in the land of Judah(Zion included). I mean there was only one Last Day/Endtime for the Nation of Judah(Zion) — the end of the old order which ushered in the beginning of the new order. And it was during those very same Last Days of God's Judgement against the Nation of Israel(and Judah) in the Land of Canaan under His Old Law of Moses that John, the Revelator, one of the people of Israel in the Land of Judah at the time, wrote his book of Revelation.

3. Now you are trying to insert words into my mouth. First of all, there is no such thing as more Holy and more righteous. What I instead said is that the Prophets of Old were holy and righteous men. Second, there are no New Testament Prophets given that Jesus Christ, the New Testament, never included prophets as part of His Will and Law in the Kingdom of God. Rather, the prophets written in the book of Acts were men and women who resulted from God's Old Testament declaration that He would pour out His Spirit on all in the land during the Last Days.

4. WOW!!

I see now where the bulk of the problem probably comes from so, I think it is best I exit the conversation at this point in time. It has been nice!

SpiritualWealth:
■ Honestly, Can You Inteprete Number 2 For Us ? How Can A So Called Spirit Create Physical Humans In His Own Image ? Then, How Come A Project Control It's Creator By Going Against The Wish of It's Creator ? And Let's Assume Man Faulted By Eating A Singular Apple in The Garden of Eden, How Come God Doesn't Have A Forgiving And Repairing Spirit ? Why Should A Loving God Condemn And Curse His Own Creations Instead of Forgiving, Remodeling, And Repairing Them ? Why All The Absurdities of The World, Despite Having A So-Called Loving God ?

These questions you ask indicate that you wish to judge this God being by parameters and ideas based on your particular standard and understanding. Is this so? You pretty much answered the bulk of your questions there.

SpiritualWealth:
■ Great. You have a different view from majority of the Bible Believers.
■ So, Why Did God Create A People Only To CURSE Their Entire Generation ?

1. This view is in fact as is presented in Scripture itself, without all the subjective interpretations that people seek to color the contents with.

2. He created man for His purpose but man had other ideas and so He abandoned man to his own device is what. Without God manning man's life and living, God pretty much cut man loose to iive as he pleases. .

SpiritualWealth:
∆ So, What is The Essence of Sending Jesus Christ To Die on The Cross To Wash Away The Sins of All These SO-CALLED CURSED Humans ?

Please endeavor to make time out to read the book yourself. Jesus Christ did not say He was sent to die on the cross to wash away the sins of these so-called cursed humans. He said He came for something entirely different from all you assume there.

Buytruth:
Do Religion And Politics Have Power To End EVILDOERS And WORKERS of INIQUITY In The World? Here Is THE ANSWER!

Religion is a political system by which men can garner power and wealth for their particular kingdoms here on earth.

Johnwrite:
Most people thinks Angels are spiritual beings bearing the image of a human with large wings, and great light shining all over them, but this will shock you, Angel are undescribable spirits creatures, not even in the image of humans, the limit of our mentality can't even imagine how this spiritual creatures looks like honestly, so we are all wrong if we think Angels are spiritual creatures in the image of a man, take a look at this image, good example of how Angels looks like 😳😳

I am afraid you are wrong! The problem here is this image you have is an attempt to give a literal interpretation to information presented in vision/dream format in Scripture. That rarely works. Yes, angels are spirits since they are eternal beings — they possess the very same Eternal life that born-agains do. But you will be shocked to learn that angels are in fact like human beings.

34 Jesus said to the Sadducees, “On earth, people marry each other.
35 Some people will be worthy to be raised from death and live again after this life. In that life they will not marry.
36 In that life people are like angels and cannot die. They are children of God, because they have been raised from death. - Luke 20 vs 34 - 36

SpiritualWealth:
So, My Questions To My Christians Reading This: Which God Created Men With Female Reproductive Sex Organs ? The Bible Never Mentioned God Creating Men With Female Reproductive Organs Like "Boobs And Vagi-nas".
So, How Come We Have So Many Natural Intersex in The World Today ? Note: I'm Not Talking About "Bobrisky or James Brown" Kind of Persons! I'm Talking About Natural Intersex Here! So, Over To The Brilliant Christians Out There: Which God Created Men With Female Reproductive Sex Organs ?

I am not a Christian but I will respond to you because you mentioned the Bible.

First things first, Scripture has it that only one man was made in the image of God, and that man was Adam. The woman, Eve, who was made from Adam, was also made in the image of God given that Eve was a clone born from Adam. Now after they were made, God certified them good— His seal of approval. However, when Adam and Eve fell, God laid His curse on them meaning they were no longer of the image of God. God is holy and good. That which is cursed is not holy and good and hence not of God.
Second, to the curse on man and woman, God placed another particular curse to ensure that all who are born of Adam and Eve were equally born of reduced/cursed image from their conception -

16 Then God said to the woman, “I will cause you to have much trouble when you are pregnant. And when you give birth to children, you will have much pain...” - Genesis 3 vs 16

The above curse pretty much sealed the fate of all born of a woman into this world. Every human born into this world is born cursed from birth, and that curse manifests itself in numerous different ways, some physical, some mental, some genetic, etc.

So, to answer your question, after God washed His holy, and good hands off man and woman, and even their childbearing, all forms of imperfections became regular places thanks to God's curse. It isn't that they were created by God, but rather that we were all created broken individuals by the curse which was placed by God on man as a result of individuals. And yes, every human being born into this world is born broken.

safarifarms:
■ The laws were meant to be kept out of faith (believe in God) but they tried keeping the laws without believing in God.
■ But Jesus died and nailed the law to the cross so that part is taken away leaving only the part of faith for which we are saved by grace.
Colossians 2:14 (Living Bible)
14 and blotted out the charges proved against you, the list of his commandments which you had not obeyed. He took this list of sins and destroyed it by nailing it to Christ’s cross.
3 & 4: Like I said earlier, there was a context for which Paul held the views and made the suggestions he did at the time and he may not have been enlightened enough at the time. Even other Apostles changed their views on certain things after they got more understanding. This could be the reason he now worked with more women as seen by this salutation that had more women in the list.
■ I can't write off Paul's insightful teachings because of a few mistakes he made. And instead of what you termed Cherry picking, I believe in establishing doctrine at the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses.
2 Corinthians 13:1
This will be my third visit to you. “Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Like I said before, all men are fallible. So doctrine shouldn't be from one instance especially when it has to do with men.
■ For instance, Job after writing 41 chapters, in his last chapter he now wrote what looks like a disclaimer with regret for saying things he didn't know.
Job 42 (New International Version)
1. Then Job replied to the Lord: 2 “I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
3 You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’ Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know.
4 “You said, ‘Listen now, and I will speak; I will question you, and you shall answer me.’
5 My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you. 6 Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes.”
So what do I make of the 41 chapters that he wrote in his time of ignorance? I always remind myself that even though the Bible was written by inspiration, they were actually written by men who are fallible. On another note, I want to commend you for having a meaningful discussion devoid of insults or disrespect as often experienced with religious people who often expect that their views must be forced down on others.

1. Before you attempt to speak regarding faith, at least make certain you have a good Scriptural understanding of the meaning and use of the term.

1 Now there was a famine. This was like the famine that happened during Abraham’s life. So Isaac went to the town of Gerar, to King Abimelech of the Philistines.
2 The Lord spoke to Isaac and said, “Don’t go down to Egypt. Live in the land that I commanded you to live in.
3 Stay in this land, and I will be with you. I will bless you. I will give you and your family all these lands. I will do what I promised to Abraham your father.
4 I will make your family as many as the stars of heaven, and I will give all these lands to your family. Through your descendants[a] every nation on earth will be blessed.
5 I will do this because your father Abraham obeyed my words and did what I said. He obeyed my commands, my laws, and my rules.” - Genesis 26 vs 1 - 5

We learn in Genesis how God approved Abraham of righteousness because of his, Abraham's, faith in God— Abraham was justified by Faith is the popular saying. In the above passage, God tells exactly what the Faith entailed. By living his life in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of God, Abraham had faith in God. Any idea of faith that does not line up with that described by God Himself is not of God.

2. I am sorry but this statement of yours makes no sense at all. Are you saying Jesus Christ lied when He said He did not come to change or abolish any part of the Old Law of Moses? Are you saying that somehow Jesus Christ felt the Old Law was tainted and in need of change? This is ludicrous!

3. Here's the problem! These so-called insightful teachings you claim Paul gave to you make Jesus Christ not only appear a liar but Paul a savior of your choosing to Jesus Christ. What you do by proclaiming that Paul came to save the day on behalf of Jesus Christ is suggest that Paul became some sort of an AntiChrist to save Jesus Christ. Does this make sense to you?

You completely ignore the fact that Jesus Christ said none of His followers are to teach their doctrines and traditions — lies — using His name - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13 - all so that you can then assert these ideas of yours which you attribute to Paul(if you ask me most of your interpretations don't even begin to align which much of what Paul said) in the place of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Tell me, how do you not see that by doing so, you have completely abandoned Jesus Christ and choosing for yourself a path different from that set down by Him?

4. Job? The entirety of Chapter 41 of the Book of Job was instead God speaking to Job, not Job speaking to himself! And I don't believe Job was trying to teach any man any lessons. If you examined closely all that Job said, there was nothing wrong to be found before God showed up to respond to him. He spoke in his pain and from a point of assumed abandonment, and God did not reprimand him, Job, for any of that. Go through God's response to see that God instead came from a point of understanding rather than a point of condemnation. Job wanted to make his case before God because he did not understand why God would do all of that to him even after he had dedicated his life to obeying God's teachings and commandments. There was nothing wrong with that. Only after God spoke, did Job realize that even though he had wisdom from God, his understanding still paled in comparison to God's.

Now, the dictionary meaning of the word Inspired is pretty clear on what to think.

in·spire
1. fill (someone) with the urge or ability to do or feel something, especially to do something creative.
"his passion for romantic literature inspired him to begin writing"
▶ create (a feeling, especially a positive one) in a person.
"their past record does not inspire confidence"
▶ animate someone with (such a feeling).
"he inspired his students with a vision of freedom"
▶ give rise to.

Inspire does not mean same as True.

The contents of Scripture are indeed inspired but that in no way makes them all true. The only Truth in all of Scripture — the standard by which all else is to be measured — is the Word of God, and Jesus Christ is the Word of God. He proclaimed His Gospel, the Law, and the Prophets as God's Truth. So, any idea that does not meet those standards is meant to be discarded.

jellybabee:
Is there any married female introvert(extreme )like me in Osogbo living within Osogbo that wishes to hangout for for few hours? Send me a dm n I will reply you pls. Am so bored.... also want to experience hanging out with friends too

Go get yourself a new hobby; get out and volunteer at a school or hospital instead.

safarifarms:
■ So it's not only what Jesus teaches that should be listened to. However, while I'll typically take what Jesus says without looking for collaboration, I won't do same for what any ordinary human being says. The reason is, while Jesus is infallible, all men are fallible. We can see that come to play in the early Church where they initially believed everyone must be circumcised and also thought the Gospel was for the Jews only.
■ But then again the dispensation with which Jesus lived and taught was the dispensation of the Law which also influenced this teachings as the new testament did not yet come into effect.
■ Galatians 4:4 (New International Version)
4 But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law
Hebrews 9:16-17 (King James Version)
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
The teachings of Paul and New Testament focused but then again these people (Paul and the other Apostles inclusive) did not fully understand the New testament at once and they initially mixed the two and kept making changes as their knowledge increased.
■ I won't agree with you about two types of salvation. Salvation is only by grace. But when you are saved, you are called to good works.
Ephesians 2:10
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath beforehand ordained, that we should walk in them.
Colossians 3:23-24
Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.
This portion says you should do the work having at the back of your mind that you will receive an inheritance not that it's the work that would bring the inheritance but that since an inheritance is waiting it should give you more encouragement to do it.
Titus 2:7 (NKJV)
7 in all things showing yourself to be a pattern of good works; in doctrine showing integrity, reverence, incorruptibility,
Titus 2:14 (NKJV)
14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.
Again this portion shows that all those whom he died for should be zealous for good works
Titus 3:8 (NKJV)
8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I want you to affirm constantly, that those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men.
Another emphasis that believers should maintain good works In summary, God is love and whoever says he loves God should also love.

1. Therein lies the problem at the core of the belief of most who seek out religion, this idea that Jesus Christ is not enough. How can the Words of the one who is God's very Truth — the Words out of God's mouth — not be enough information for one to receive Salvation? How can God's Law be considered incomplete when it comes to containing the terms and conditions — all that is required — for one to obtain the salvation(s) offered by God? Doesn't that then mean God is incompetent and hence untrustworthy?

2. Jesus Christ was influenced by the Law into doing what exactly? What in the world does that even mean? Why would something bad come from Jesus Christ submitting Himself to the Old Law of Moses which is equally God's perfect Will in God's Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan? Sorry, I am lost at this point!

3. Just so you know, if you wish to understand Paul, you first need to be grounded in Jesus Christ, and then the ideas expressed by Paul in His Letters would make more sense.

4. This statement fails when you consider that all the sheep and goats spoken of in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 were all born again. (They all had eternal life.) In Matthew 24 vs 13 and Mark 13 vs 13, Jesus Christ taught that only those who stand faithful through it all would be saved(the second salvation). He explained this by way of several parables including the parable of the Good and Trusted Servant. Jesus Christ even admonished His followers to seek first the Kingdom of God(Holiness) and then God's Righteousness, to have all these things — the blessings and rewards of the Kingdom of God including Heaven— added to them. There is a seeking required much the same as the initial seek required for the first salvation. Not everyone who is born-again(first salvation) will make the second salvation. That is clear as far as the Gospel is concerned.

Well, Paul may have described the second salvation in the form of an inheritance but it is a salvation as Jesus Christ instead put it. Either Heaven(Eternal Reward) or Hell(Eternal Damnation) awaits those who are born-again, and it is only earned by the Works done here on earth.

Yes, God is Love but God made it abundantly clear that His Love belongs only to those who obey His teachings and commandments; Those who do not obey His teachings and command will be punished by God. This has been the same way since the time of Adam and remains the same even in Jesus Christ. https://www.nairaland.com/8078671/what-does-god-hate-esau#129739870

As for works of Righteousness, well they are detailed in the commandments explained in the context of Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. Those 6 commands are the keys to the Gates of Heaven which Jesus Christ is written to have promised to Peter and all of His followers. It is only those who have attained righteousness through living life in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ that are capable of carrying out those works as a result. Those commands do not simply happen on their own. Just as Jesus Christ went out doing good works everywhere He went, His followers are also required to go out doing the same if they are to gain Heaven(Eternal Reward) at the end of the day.

safarifarms:
■ There are several admonitions that came out of specific scenarios and doesn't necessarily mean they should be applied to all scenarios. In the book of Mark, Jesus queried why someone called him good and said no one is good except God.
Mark 10:18 (New International Version)
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
Did Jesus really mean that he was not good?
■ In Matthew 28:19-20 and Mark 16:15-16, Jesus says "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all."
So would it mean that people who go teach as Jesus instructed can't be called Teachers? The passage you are making reference to (Matt 23) says ;
8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
■ Jesus also said do not call anyone on earth 'father' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Would that mean you can't call your biological father 'father'? The context with which Jesus made that statement had to do with the teachers of the law and the Pharisees. The earlier part of the passage gives the context.
Matt 23
1. Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.
■ He was dealing with hypocrites who were not practicing what they were teaching. But he later instructed his disciples to teach everyone.
Jesus mainly taught for just 3 years and even said he has many things to say but his disciples didn't have the capacity to bear them at the time.
John 16:12-14 New King James Version (NKJV)
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
So there's more to just what Jesus while he was here....

1. Yes, Jesus Christ meant it that He is indeed not the standard of God; Rather, the Father is the standard of Good, the one who approves all men, including Jesus Christ, of Righteousness(good). Jesus Christ instead said that He is the Father's Way, the Father's Truth, and the Father's Life in John 14 vs 6.

7 The Lord is good. He is a safe place to go to in times of trouble. He takes care of those who trust him. - Nahum 1 vs 7

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17 Everything the Lord does is good. Everything he does shows how loyal he is.
18 The Lord is near to everyone who sincerely calls to him for help.
19 He listens to his followers and does what they want. He answers their prayers and saves them.
20 The Lord protects everyone who loves him, but he destroys all who do evil.
21 I will praise the Lord! Let everyone praise his holy name forever and ever! - Psalm 145 vs 17 - 21

Check out the following Link for a more complete list of the differences between Jesus Christ and the Father https://www.nairaland.com/7110397/gospel-minddump#112519360

2. As Jesus Christ instructed, they are indeed to go and teach others to obey the exact same commandments and teachings He gave to them — His Law. He also instructed them not to teach their own ideas/doctrines and traditions using His name. He warned them that curses awaited those who would use His name to teach what are their own ideas/doctrines and traditions which He proclaimed were lies that were against Him. So, yes, when Jesus Christ sent them out, He didn't send them out as teachers but as His servants to do His bidding and His bidding alone.

3. Recall that Jesus Christ Himself lived His life in direct submission to the Will of His Father, The Law of Moses which happened to be the Constitutional Law in the nation of Israel(and Judah) in the Land of Canaan at that time. And Jesus Christ made it abundantly clear that He did not come to abolish or change the existing Law. Rather, what Jesus Christ did was bring to the people the New agreement/Law/Will of God which was promised by God through the Prophets. Jesus Christ is the embodiment of the New Law and agreement, God's Will in the Kingdom of God. So the context of His teachings was not the Old Law of Moses, but the New Agreement and the Kingdom of God which He, Jesus Christ embodies. Yes, even as He lived His very existence in submission to the Will of His Father which is the Old Law of Moses, Jesus Christ taught to His disciples, and those who would hear Him — not to the people of the Old Law, and especially not to the Pharisees and Sadducees— God's New Will and Law. Therefore, the context of all of His teachings — The Gospel and Law — was not the existing nation of Israel(and Judah) where God's Old agreement is but rather the Kingdom of God where God's New Law(and Will) is.

So, when Jesus Christ asked that none of His followers call any man father here on earth, He, Jesus Christ meant that no man is to, in His name, and the name of His Kingdom, call any man Father.

4. I am afraid this is not the case at all. Jesus Christ was not sent to deal with anything. Yes, there were hypocrites in the land at the land; there has never really been a time in the land when there weren't any of those. Go back to the time when Moses had to lead the people of Israel through the desert to see. These people were stiffnecked from even then but that never stopped or stood in the way of God's plan, not even Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ came as God's New Will and Covenant in addition to heralding the end of the time of the Old Law in the Land - the final Judgment of God against the nation of Israel(and Judah) in the Land of Canaan. He did not come to fight or battle with the hypocrites and those who refuse/reject God. He came to deliver the new Law and He concluded this when He announced on the cross that it was finished — mission accomplished. He even went ahead and told you that His Word was everlasting — unchanging — meaning no man had the power to add/change or remove from any of that which He had declared and given to His followers. He is God's Law after all and it is against God to change or modify His Law in any way or form.

If you review all that Jesus Christ said of the Spirit of God whom He would ask His Father to send to those who love Him - John 14 vs 15 - 26 & John 15 vs 26 - 27 & John 16 vs 4 - 16 - you would come to understand how and why it is erroneous to even perceive that the same Spirit of God would teach an idea that contravenes Jesus Christ in any way. God is not a God of confusion. The Spirit of Truth is submitted in His Will to Jesus Christ and as such would never teach any idea that contradicts or contravenes Jesus Christ. Yes, He teaches so many things including the Law of the Prophets to explain all that Jesus Christ taught to His followers but He would never teach any idea that does not conform or agree with Jesus Christ. Again, because He is the same Spirit of Truth that is Jesus Christ.

iyerebenita993:
It is well

Stop telling yourselves this lie at least!

Emm4:
...The same Bible made it plain that GOD IS LOVE!
Can a loving God still hate? ...

God is indeed Love. However, God said His love belongs only to those who obey His teachings and commandments — His Law. It is only to those who love him — those who obey His Law — that He promised His Love.

9 “So remember that the Lord your God is the only God, and you can trust him! He keeps his agreement. He shows his love and kindness to all people who love him and obey his commands. He continues to show his love and kindness through a thousand generations,
10 but the Lord punishes people who hate him. He will destroy them. He will not be slow to punish those who hate him.
11 So you must be careful to obey the commands, laws, and rules that I give you today.
12 “If you listen to these laws, and if you are careful to obey them, the Lord your God will keep his agreement of love with you. He promised this to your ancestors.
13 He will love you and bless you. He will make your nation grow. He will bless your children. He will bless your fields with good crops and will give you grain, new wine, and oil. He will bless your cows with calves and your sheep with lambs. You will have all these blessings in the land that he promised your ancestors to give you. - Deuteronomy 7 vs 9-13

So, it is in error that you conclude that because God is Love, therefore he must show said Love to all mankind. That claim is born of the arrogance of men.

The same is true in Jesus Christ. The love of Jesus Christ is only available to those who love Him - John 15 vs 9 - 15.

sonnie10:
■ My position is that there is no person without a mouth. I want to be wrong on this ascertain.

God hears the very thoughts of men so technically there is no person without a mouth. The lack of a literal mouth does not mean a person has no voice to be heard by God.

safarifarms:
■ The grammar used for the childbearing in connection with salvation (in the translations that are perceived to mean so) do not seem straight forward enough for me to believe it means what it's perceived to mean. For me I don't take doctrine from one scripture especially where many other scriptures hold a different view to that. In this case several other writings of Paul himself suggests otherwise in very clear terms unlike this one that looks a bit ambiguous (and interpreted differently by some translations).
■ Paul's consistent teaching on Salvation is through grace and not of any works (not even child bearing which is ridiculous).
■ Concerning the issue of Women being treated as less than men, it appears it had to do with a particular situation of many false teachings from which he formed a personal opinion based on (well a flimsy scenario of) Eve being deceived. And he even made it obvious that it's his own opinion though he appeared to also encourage Timothy to do same.
■ But if you look at Romans 16:1-16 where he salutes coworkers in the faith, majority of them were women.

1. Jesus Christ warned His followers not to take teachings from men but from Him. He did insist that He alone is Teacher to all those who belong to Him reiterating what God Himself said of His new agreement in Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34. So, literally cherry-picking through Paul's "doctrines" is already problematic when you consider what Jesus Christ, and the Father —YHWH— said.

2. Even that statement is problematic since Jesus Christ did not say there was only one Salvation. If you read through the Gospels, you would realize that the first Salvation which is the salvation by Grace, only came with the guarantee of Eternal Life - John 3 vs 1 - 18. There is a second Salvation that is only obtainable by way of Works and that only guarantees Eternal Reward(Heaven) to those who meet the requirement; Eternal Damnation(Hell) is guaranteed to those others who fall short of the Works requirement - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. So, again, making the views of Paul more than what they amount to playing around with one's life and time here on earth.

3. When it comes to Jesus Christ, under no circumstances is any of His followers to treat men and women differently.
▶ In John 15 vs 7 - 12, Jesus Christ called on His followers to abide in Him so that He abide in them.
▶ Jesus Christ equally informed His followers that the Kingdom of God is inside and all around those who are born-again.
▶ Jesus Christ also warned them not to try to store Old wine in New wine skin meaning they are not to attempt to appease others by abiding with the Old Laws when they are meant to stand firm in the New Law instead.
So, when you read that a follower of Jesus Christ held an opinion that was counter to that proclaimed by Jesus Christ, it should raise alarms as that is a violation of the Law that is Jesus Christ.

4. The salutes in Romans 16 vs 1 - 16 do not change the fact that Paul could have equally saluted them all while holding on to the notion that women were lesser beings than men. All across religion today, women are saluted in all corners yet women are still not regarded as equals by the same men even then. So why would you assume that by offering salutations to a crowd of mostly women, Paul was somehow absolved of opinions expressed in other parts of his letters?

safarifarms:
■ How will you relate this with these other explicit teachings that see male and female as equal;
Gal. 3 Verses 28 to 29
[28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female;for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
[29] And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
1 Corinthians 11:11-12 (New International Version)
11 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman.
12 For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.

1. 1 Timothy 2 contains statements that are attributed to the person of Paul, right? So, it matters little that elsewhere it is found that the same Paul is written to have aligned himself with Christ as well. My stand remains that what is written in 1 Timothy 2 is without question not like that declared by Jesus Christ to be of His Kingdom.

▶ Paul's thoughts, expressed in the passage here from Galatians 3, are in alignment with that proclaimed by Jesus Christ in His Gospel.

23 Before this faith came, the law held us as prisoners. We had no freedom until God showed us the way of faith that was coming.
24 I mean the law was the guardian in charge of us until Christ came. After he came, we could be made right with God through faith.
25 Now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law to be our guardian.
26-27 You were all baptized into Christ, and so you were all clothed with Christ. This shows that you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
28 Now, in Christ, it doesn’t matter if you are a Jew or a Greek, a slave or free, male or female. You are all the same in Christ Jesus.
29 You belong to Christ, so you are Abraham’s descendants. You get all of God’s blessings because of the promise that God made to Abraham. - Galatians 3 vs 23 - 29

▶ However, Paul's thoughts expressed in the passage that is 1 Corinthians 11 vs 1 - 16 should be questioned because much of this reads like an attempt to insert whatever traditions existed among the people of the time into that which is of Jesus Christ, an act which is against God — sin.

2 I praise you because you remember me in all things. You follow closely the teachings I gave you.
3 But I want you to understand this: The head of every man is Christ. And the head of a woman is the man. And the head of Christ is God.
4 Every man who prophesies or prays with his head covered brings shame to his head.
5 But every woman who prays or prophesies should have her head covered. If her head is not covered, she brings shame to her head. Then she is the same as a woman who has her head shaved.
6 If a woman does not cover her head, it is the same as cutting off all her hair. But it is shameful for a woman to cut off her hair or to shave her head. So she should cover her head.
7 But a man should not cover his head, because he is made like God and is God’s glory. But woman is man’s glory.
8 Man did not come from woman. Woman came from man.
9 And man was not made for woman. Woman was made for man.
10 So that is why a woman should have her head covered with something that shows she is under authority. Also, she should do this because of the angels.
11 But in the Lord the woman needs the man, and the man needs the woman.
12 This is true because woman came from man, but also man is born from woman. Really, everything comes from God.
13 Decide this for yourselves: Is it right for a woman to pray to God without something on her head?
14 Even nature itself teaches you that wearing long hair is shameful for a man.
15 But wearing long hair is a woman’s honor. Long hair is given to the woman to cover her head.
16 Some people may still want to argue about this. But we and the churches of God don’t accept what those people are doing. - 1 Corinthians 11 vs 2 - 16

Let's get the facts straight as far as the Old Law of Moses on this issue of head coverings. The Law of Moses never required that men not wear head coverings at all. And the same Law never in fact required women to cover their heads. Yes, it was customary for women in the region to do so but that tradition was never of God and as such should not have been **added** as though it were. Recall, it sin against God to add, remove, or change His Law, Old or New.

Let's then proceed to look at the entries in the passage

● Verse 2 - 3 claims that the man is the head of a woman. This is not true in Jesus Christ given that Jesus Christ made clear in His Gospel that He alone is Head/Authority/Master over the males and females in His Kingdom. So, the claim made there violates Jesus Christ
● Verse 4 which claims a man disgraces himself if his head, while prophesying(an act that is linked to the Old Law) or praying, is covered does not work at all when put against the Old Law and the New Law. So, I am not certain why Paul introduced this at all.
● Verse 5 equally contains an outrageous claim that is not linked with that contained in either the Old Law or the New Law.
● Verse 6 claims that it is shameful for a woman to cut off or shave her hair. The Old Law does not say anything of the such neither did Jesus Christ mention a woman's hair in all.
● Verse 7 of course means absolutely nothing when you consider the facts of things. The only man who was made in the image of God was Adam. Eve was made from that one man, and both of them attested to be of good quality by God. Recall, that God is good, and He deemed Adam and also Eve to be of good quality as He made them. Now, after Adam fell, every man, and woman born from them were born under the curse— not good. So, the claim that a man— not Adam, in this case,— is God's glory is not of Scripture at all. So, the claims that follow in verses 8 - 10 all fall short of Scripture. Eve was never commanded to cover her head in the presence of the Angels in the Garden, so I am not even certain where this would have worked.
● The argument he then goes on to present in verses 11 through 15 based on these ideas that fall flat when put up against Scripture, makes little to no sense when you truly examine it all as one piece as it all should be.

So, in summary, what is contained in Galatians 3 makes sense when put beside that which is Jesus Christ. However, what is contained in the passage of 1 Corinthians 11 vs 1 - 15 failed woefully when put up against that which is written in Scripture from even the beginning — Genesis — to the end— Revelations.