hustla:



By all means, care for the vulnerable but it should be done out of love (Rita Dominic spoke about doing this recently) and not as a last resort or because the Gov makes policies to deliberately edge every tom, dick, and Harry towards caring for them. I did not just mention money, I mentioned other factors which will affect the family and upward mobility in the future.

I am certain that 99% of Nigerians if given the global talent visa or ILR from day 1 would not opt for care (I AM NOT SAYING CARE IS NOT GOOD OOOOO FOR THE CARE BRIGADE AND ARMY BEFORE UNA ATTACK ME)

Lexusgs430:


Remember, someone would need to care for us too, possibly when we hit our geriatric zones....... One good turn, deserves another.......😂

How much is money ....... When love/care exists in your heart.......😁

Lexusgs430:


Remember, someone would need to care for us too, possibly when we hit our geriatric zones....... One good turn, deserves another.......😂

How much is money ....... When love/care exists in your heart.......😁

deept:


Mehn!!!! We need to watch our health and try to be financially literate so we don't need to depend on the govt and care when we get older. I'm guessing a lot of us here are 'youngish' and we should start planning for retirement not getting the high paying jobs but how to keep as much of our money as we can and make more.

I'm thinking a life in the UK- money thread will be good

hustla:



By all means, care for the vulnerable, but it should be done out of love (Rita Dominic spoke about doing this recently) and not as a last resort or because the government makes policies to deliberately edge every Tom, Dick, and Harry towards caring for them.

I did not just mention money; I mentioned other factors that will affect the family and upward mobility in the future.

I am certain that 99% of Nigerians, if given the global talent visa or ILR from day 1, would not opt for care [b](I AM NOT SAYING CARE IS NOT GOOD OOOOO FOR THE CARE BRIGADE AND ARMY BEFORE UNA ATTACK ME) [/b]

profemebee:
I know this is my shade

yet again you miss the point

No one is attacking you ... no one is fighting for any care brigade...

We can plan and plan.. life has its own plans and we must adapt and evolve our plans

I don't do care, never done care but will never be insensitive to another career... or someone's career journey

Life is a marathon, not a sprint.. by God's grace, hardwork & luck, we will get to our milestones

Just be more sensitive....

solveabode:
Good day to you all.
Please any tips on how to secure a German visa appointment date?
I have been trying the Tls London to no avail and I have a programme in Berlin in 1st week of June.

Please what can I do to get a date?

Lexusgs430:
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We already have a life and property thread ........ That should be the next layer.........

Although it's already discussed on this pick n mix thread.........😁

hustla:



The good thing though is that the £38K thing does not affect those who have just graduated but I see a sizable number of Nigerian students leaving the UK (a lot have left already or are planning to leave) as most of the policies are downright sinister and meant to restrict your upwards mobility.

I expect things to free up a bit within 1 yr and changes to be made, maybe a bit more stability

Zahra29:


Sinister in what way? Strict perhaps, but also justifiable unless you expect the government to continue to turn a blind eye to unsustainable levels of migration coupled with rampant immigration abuse in certain sectors.

Sinister is what I would call the African and Asian care operators/agencies/brokers who were charging up to £15,000 for a sponsorship certificate that they obtained for less than £300 from the government. Bringing thousands in and having no work to give them (despite so called shortages in the care sector). Sinister are the agents who were attaching fake spouses onto their clients' applications without their knowledge. (Yes I've heard of instances where this has happened), and many other examples. I'm not sure why people are not directing their frustration towards these individuals.


The government isn't boxing anyone into care, in fact the recent policies are designed to restrict the number of immigrants going into care.

The landscape will settle for sure, but gone are the days of "buy 1 cos, get 2 free".

hustla:


......

The good thing though is that the £38K thing does not affect those who have just graduated but I see a sizable number of Nigerian students leaving the UK (a lot have left already or are planning to leave) as most of the policies are downright sinister and meant to restrict your upwards mobility.

That is exactly why I am always against the care thing or staying too long in it, as I see it as a carefully crafted way to push you into being lower class all your life, which will likely affect your kids too unless careful planning is put in place. Long hours away from family, low pay, and interactions with mostly low-class white people who are all out to drag you to their level, eventually it gets to you and your kids by extension.

I expect things to free up a bit within 1 yr and changes to be made, maybe a bit more stability

deept:


Mehn!!!! We need to watch our health and try to be financially literate so we don't need to depend on the govt and care when we get older. I'm guessing a lot of us here are 'youngish' and we should start planning for retirement not getting the high paying jobs but how to keep as much of our money as we can and make more.

I'm thinking a life in the UK- money thread will be good

jedisco:


Ultimately, macroeconomics policies play a much more significant role in attainment than individual grit e.t.c.
Finally, those who remain would still become Brits and have all the welfare options available. They also have their mental health to look after, can go on professional longterm sick and with little wealth might ultimately need to depend on the state in old age.

Wouldn't surprise me the next move would be to increase ILR time to 10 years - milk the cow. More folks paying visa fees e.t.c


So far, we've not seen any forward planning from the government. Just knee-jerk reactions when quarterly migration data is released. Only severe shortages e.g HGV drivers or systemic issues e.g with universities would force their hand. Right now, focus is the lost election.

Zahra29:


Sinister in what way? Strict perhaps, but also justifiable unless you expect the government to continue to turn a blind eye to unsustainable levels of migration coupled with rampant immigration abuse in certain sectors.

Sinister is what I would call the African and Asian care operators/agencies/brokers who were charging up to £15,000 for a sponsorship certificate that they obtained for less than £300 from the government. Bringing thousands in and having no work to give them (despite so called shortages in the care sector). Sinister are the agents who were attaching fake spouses onto their clients' applications without their knowledge. (Yes I've heard of instances where this has happened), and many other examples. I'm not sure why people are not directing their frustration towards these individuals.


The government isn't boxing anyone into care, in fact the recent policies are designed to restrict the number of immigrants going into care.

The landscape will settle for sure, but gone are the days of "buy 1 cos, get 2 free".

Zahra29:


Sinister in what way? Strict perhaps, but also justifiable unless you expect the government to continue to turn a blind eye to unsustainable levels of migration coupled with rampant immigration abuse in certain sectors.

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missjekyll:
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/mar/12/overseas-students-undermining-uk-higher-education-warns-cleverly


It seems Mr Rohypnol is not done with us yet. 😕. He ll flog this dead horse until it rots completely. However, for each stroke his party ll drop 2 points in the polls. I so decree

hustla:



Again, I do not care about what they do to the care sector, COS sellers and fake dependents (sellers and fake ones will be found out), I am concerned about the long term policy effects on would be settlers.

And No, the policies arent designed to reduce those heading to care depending on how you look at it, it's designed to edge people in care towards filling holes in the NHS.

Ask yourself why the UK is the only ome that has these policies in place. Policies like increasing fees to £3K for apps for recent graduates after paying £15K is sinister and wicked.
Openly bashing the student populace and treating them like scavengers and scroungers for applause from your citizens is sinister.

Increasing rates to £38K when the average salary for even citizens isnt up to that is sinister and wicked.

Once more, the UK is the only country among the developed ones that does this.

E get why

Meanwhile this was yesterday

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/mar/12/overseas-students-undermining-uk-higher-education-warns-cleverly

hustla:



Well, focus is truly the elections.. I think they'll still win anyways.

I'm also do think they'll likely increase the years required to get ILR (which will backfire).

Remains to be seen if the policies they have changed Will be reverted but i doubt though given that the public will see them as unreliable and not to be trusted

Time will tell

jedisco:


The government here is not worried about ending abuse but rather restricting who perpetrates the abuse to themselves and also appearing tough on immigration as a last ditch attempt at the next election. Reports of rampant abuse have been in the media for years yet they looked on until numbers balooned.

You don't seem to care about the rogue agents that were profiteering off the plight of fellow immigrants, but you're annoyed that the government decided to clamp down?

The main issues started when the care visa route was introduced a couple of years ago. Before then, immigrants had been working in care for decades and there was none of this blatant abuse

Why was the salary treshold for care workers retained at an abysmal 20k when the wider treshold was increased?

Why have they made carers the only immigrant group who would be unable to bring family over hence restricting their right to family life?

Because the care sector is the work visa route that has been exploited. It's not possible to buy cos for a doctor or nurse or electrical engineer, plus the entry requirements are more stringent. However the care route became a free for all and the government figures showed that 120,000 dependants accompanied 100,000 workers on the route just last year, constituting the largest contribution to the jump in immigration figures.

All this ensures the government pays the least for social care by ensuring a streamlined supply of poorly paid care workers. This still does nothing to adress the abuse everyday care workers face- something that'd be sorted by higher pay

Yes, the government has been pressured to increase the sector pay, mainly because this would make it more attractive to residents and reduce reliance on foreign labour.

It's not just care work that is poorly paid. NHS Clinical roles as a whole, hence all the protests.


Ultimately, even the COS for even the new roles would still be sold on the black market.

I very much doubt it. Any firm that requests COS allocation now has to be audited and regulated by the CQC. They also have to provide evidence to the home office that there is a genuine vacancy and available work for the candidate. This is why there has been a dramatic drop in the number of care cos being issued.

Lexusgs430:


Money and time was spent building this institutions...... If you want to benefit from the system, you must pay2play.....

Let's interpolate this situation...... We should blame our political class, for the mess they have caused, leading to this massive migration and alternative seeking syndrome.......

When labour is not rewarded, labour would shift to alternative places.......

Remember, the UK did not force anyone to migrate.... We decided to pay the price to play......😁

I remember attending college, paying only £20.... Whilst my Chinese colleagues paid over £1500......😂

They happily paid the £1500, because loads of them everywhere........🤔😁

jedisco:


Don't be so sure. Suella had whispered it and her minions said afterall, the US...

All they need do is latch on to a case of extremist violence, ramp up anti-muslim rhetoric and bring it as the solution. They'd say it'd encourage integration and ensure only those who have imbibed 'British values' are allowed to stay. Folks would cheer afterall they made their decision while feeding on salary increase funded by immigration fees.

hustla:



True

Sometimes I wonder how they let in people who are now asking for Sharia in their neighborhoods in while constantly insulting students who bring in money and pay taxes

Maybe lack of focus

missjekyll:
Who is calling for sharia in the UK? Where? Did i miss that article?

So far as we know ,Everyone is welcome to the UK so long as you meet the criteria.
We aim to keep it that way no matter what the extremists on both sides think.

hustla:


You don't need to look far


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4POgIgkIjQ8?si=u1tmK15TuMhm-oII

Zahra29:

jedisco:


No need going adhominem.
This is hardly about my take on the care sector which has always been consistent. British taxes should pay for British care. If we need to rely on external workforce, they should be appreciated. Rather than use the care route as another form of modern slavery, it should be scrapped. If that means income tax goes up 75% or council taxes has to increase by 10% annually to pay for the ever balooning adult social care, so be it.

The new rules only instutionalise that exploitation. For decades the sector has been supported by migrant labour. It has only just come to the fore thanks to Brexit.
Finally, after 5 years of hard work on minimum wage with no family, they'd still become Brits and see that they've contributed more to the economy in 5 yrs than some of the folks they were waiting on did.

jedisco:


No need going adhominem.
This is hardly about my take on the care sector which has always been consistent. British taxes should pay for British care. If we need to rely on external workforce, they should be appreciated. Rather than use the care route as another form of modern slavery, it should be scrapped. If that means income tax goes up 75% or council taxes has to increase by 10% annually to pay for the ever balooning adult social care, so be it.

The new rules only instutionalise that exploitation. For decades the sector has been supported by migrant labour. It has only just come to the fore thanks to Brexit.
Finally, after 5 years of hard work on minimum wage with no family, they'd still become Brits and see that they've contributed more to the economy in 5 yrs than some of the folks they were waiting on did.

Samguine:


Use this - https://visabot.eu/uk

It will cost you though. But you will surely get an appointment date. I used this and got an appointment within an a few hours for the next day. to the visa a week after