Ur correct our military is superior compared with cameroon

Our human rights record including our justice system is better then cameroons fact even if we are still a developemental state.

We are one of a few countries in the world who dnt hv refugee camps we intergrate them into our society which sometimes leads to social problems.

Go and compare our constitution to any other sub-saharan nation. We don't surpress our opposition parties in and during election nor do we kidknap opposition leaders like cameroon where political freedom is limited, I've read UN reports on Cameroon freedom is still a pipe dream or should I say a nightmare for ur ruling ELITE

gentlemen please everyone talk less politics and more military, that is the topic for this thread, i am not trained in political science and i dont have much to say on this. i am more enjoying the military talk. no politics please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you everyone

snydergp: Ur correct our military is superior compared with cameroon

Our human rights record including our justice system is better then cameroons fact even if we are still a developemental state.

We are one of a few countries in the world who dnt hv refugee camps we intergrate them into our society which sometimes leads to social problems.

Go and compare our constitution to any other sub-saharan nation. We don't surpress our opposition parties in and during election nor do we kidknap opposition leaders like cameroon where political freedom is limited, I've read UN reports on Cameroon freedom is still a pipe dream or should I say a nightmare for ur ruling ELITE

stop embarrassing yourself now its quite pathetic don't make me flood this topic with videos and reports about your savagery,lmao are we talking about the same SA where people rape lesbians to turn them straight,smh the same SA where the capital is ranked highest in term of crime only behind nyc, the same SA where carjacking and armed robbery are operated on daylight smh, the same SA which with all his medical facilities and advancements has the highest rate of AIDS for more than 20years now,the same SA where the president thinks that you can avoid AIDS by washing your pen.is after s.ex,how backward some people can be,are we really talking about the same SA where tourists are killed daily fam spare me the BS never dare throw a stone to someone's house when your own house is made of glass.
You SA should hide your face in shame,because how come with all this efficiency,training,with all these equipment,you are not helping Mali,how come France has to come,when we have a superpower like SA in Africa talk about delusion of grandeur.what's the utility of everything you listed here smh.
You think you the only one who knows how to read,well dare spitting another lie here about my country here and you will see.
On a serious note I can't figure out why someone that powerful or great feels the need to put inferior or non-Advanced(militarily) countries down, usually successful/isuperior countries do not compete or compare themselves with inferior or weak countries.I rest my case

It seems u knw nothing abt regional politics or ur own ECOMOG forces and the fact that Mali falls under ECOMOS meaning that its neighboring states especially nigeria are co operating to ensure regional stability, this applies to SANDF in SADEC and Ethiopia and Kenya in the Horn region.

When was the last time u read a UN report on HIV my ignorant INFIDEL. Because u would've read that SA hiv policies has turned the tide against the desease.

Ok u wanna compare SA's healthcare to Cameroon please just look at ur nations life acspectancy rate compared to SA's u'll find ur answer

Lastly KZN a SA province, its economy is 8times the size of the entire Cameroon. In SA heart transplants are done at public hospital where as in Cameroon u will certianly die if ur not Elite.

By the way why do ur politicians go to France for hypertension treatement a simple lifestyle fat cat condition.

Lesbians in SA enjoy more freedom then in any other african state, even enjoy the right to marry each other something ur nation are 30 years behind that H-rights curve.

Your French outpost are ruled by a DICTATORIAL BAFOON his just as bad as most of our african leaders but atleast my countries leaders are more respected then OUR FRENCH OUTPOST PUPPET

snydergp: It seems u knw nothing abt regional politics or ur own ECOMOG forces and the fact that Mali falls under ECOMOS meaning that its neighboring states especially nigeria are co operating to ensure regional stability, this applies to SANDF in SADEC and Ethiopia and Kenya in the Horn region.

When was the last time u read a UN report on HIV my ignorant INFIDEL. Because u would've read that SA hiv policies has turned the tide against the desease.

Ok u wanna compare SA's healthcare to Cameroon please just look at ur nations life acspectancy rate compared to SA's u'll find ur answer

Lastly KZN a SA province, its economy is 8times the size of the entire Cameroon. In SA heart transplants are done at public hospital where as in Cameroon u will certianly die if ur not Elite.

By the way why do ur politicians go to France for hypertension treatement a simple lifestyle fat cat condition.

Lesbians in SA enjoy more freedom then in any other african state, even enjoy the right to marry each other something ur nation are 30 years behind that H-rights curve.

Your French outpost are ruled by a DICTATORIAL BAFOON his just as bad as most of our african leaders but atleast my countries leaders are more respected then OUR FRENCH OUTPOST PUPPET

Zuma respected? More like embarrassing the whole continent.
Freedom my foot do you rape them yes or no?.well our laws are not hypocrites we don't legalize something to rape innocent people after,with all your technologies you are still at the top of countries with the highest rates of AIDS aren't you? Even Botswana is doing better than you.learn your geography and history dumb black SA if that makes even sense free your mind.there is no country who fought against french more than Cameroon, never heard about the genocide bamileke probably not guess why you are a typical black SA a fool a bunch of fools who brag about skyscrapers when most of them live in slums one of the biggest is Soweto but guess what they will talk about the part they can't even dream about. Why is that we never hear any achievements from a Black SA outside SA ,because without their affirmative action,quota etc they can't do shot.
As for your geography Cameroon is not in Ecowas therefore not in Ecomog.
Like I said before I rest my case keep boasting about stuff that can be bought during war time.

U turned this thread frm a military to a racial and now a nation bashing contest why I don't know. U call Soweto the biggest slum, while u have never even seen the billion dollar developements in that area.

Show me a slum in Cameroon currently that looks like this today

Please fam stop embarrassing yourself,that's not even half of Soweto,I'm not going to expose those people living in the slums you can't hide the truth,we all know what is Soweto.like I said before always eager to show the beautiful side you really want me to expose Soweto lol naaa m not that mean.
I have to clarify something you can't compare Cameroon or any sub-saharan countries with SA you guys had a country a way before us, our countries were made to exploit the natural resources not to please or care about the well-being of the indigenous on the others hands SA esp blacks SA are enjoying a white made countries,naijans can brag about Abuja etc when you guys should shut the help up because you have built and achieved nothing in SA,the region where blacks are the majority are poor.period
Now msawza answers showed I wasn't wrong.he is indeed white.
If you were that great you would compare yourself with Sweden,Canada not with Cameroon gerrit local champion.

Ur Rantings are becoming legendary.

Soweto is being transformed dailly its nomore the socalled slum u speak of or seen in pics. If its still a slum then its our middle class developemental slum

We do compare ourselfs to sweden, bt SA is still considered a developing state where as Sweden and Canada are developed nations and that's a fact.

SA yes is a very unequal society bt on everage per capita are 5times better thn cameroon.

I'm not going to respond to u anymore unless its abt military, so the platform is set for more stupid Rantings

Here's another pic from recent slum upliftment projects in soweto, if africa in ur eyes are not changing the lives of its people then its ur issue not ours even if this developments are slow in general.

By the way this is africa not europe where u hide ur black @ss

You calling soweto a slum? That place is a small city these days. With some very rich areas. Of course there are areas that are poor but to call the place a slum is a sghin you don't know any thing of the region. Any case you want slums go to india there you will find slums.

nigerian military does not favour public display of photos of its weaponry except during rare occasion for public ceremonies, that is the nigerian military tradition. i want to post the few photos you can ever get of nigerian military, few because it is a very secretive force due to its british army doctrine, and you will hardly ever see photo of nigerian military firing live ordinance in weapons exercise.

nigerian military photos above is ATR-42 ocean patrol aircraft for maritime naval operation, escorted by light attack jets.

next is the most modern russian made attack helicopter gunships

that is followed by nigerian navy anti-submarine helicopter on board a warship flight deck

nigerian navy new stealth 95m missile carrying state of the art corvette, two almost ready at china shipyard. delivery soon and fittet with latest electronic warfare, anti-ship missiles, anti-submarine weaponry, ans anti-aircraft missiles. it will carry helicopter on deck. two are coming. and each ship costs $160m

amebo-2 drone UAV 100% made in nigeria already operational, amebo-3 is on the way to be showed to public, bigger and more advanced

nigerian army night warfare troopers with night vision equipments

nigerian helicopter dropping special forces newly trained in israel

nigerian navy missile launch from an attack patrol vessel, very hard to get live weapon firing photos from nigerian military, they dont release them

nigerian navy new special forces training in lagos with british royal navy marine commandoes

second photo is one of the 3 newly delivered nigerian navy israeli made sophisticated shaldag fast attack crafts
flanked by special forces commandoes boats. nigerian navy has over 300 new modern fast attack crafts of various sizes up to missile equipped
sizes and it is the largest fast attack craft fleet in the whole of africa, even egypt cannot match that marine operational force.

nigerian ss espionage new force with world class guns not AK-47

Phalanx CIWS anti-missile defence radar guided weapon on nigerian navy ship NNS THUNDER. a second similiar ship has been ordered. ALL US NAVY ships carry same phalanx to shoot down any incoming missiles or bombs.

women and men of nigerian army new sahara desert warfare paratrooper regiments heading for air drop operations

nigerian airforce G-222 with jet fighter escorts on the male and female paratroopers in the earlier photo, heading for desert dropping

female and male nigerian airforce paratroop commandants with US rapid responce forces on assualt rife discussions not AK-47. nigerian military consults and trains only with the top ranking world super powers.

nigerian army self propelled artillery palmaria 155mm, i posted this from another an italian page

100% made in nigeria patrol craft NNS-ANDONI built in lagos dockyard by nigerians now serving the navy

Nigerian army has this self propelled italian artillery Palmaria 155mm SPH, the nigerian army photo of palmaria is too heavy to upload because of the kilobytes disk space, so i posted along this one from army of argentina that uses palmaria mobile artillery along with italy and nigeria.

UNFORTUNATELY, NIGERIAN ARMY SELF PROPELLED ARTILLERY, NAVY STEALTH SEA EAGLE CLASS 38M MISSILE OPV NNS ZARIA AND NNS BURUTU PHOTOS ARE TOO HEAVY TO UPLOAD ON THIS SITE, I TRIED MANY TIME BUT THE KILOBYTE IMAGE SIZE IS NOT POSTING, ALSO THE NAVY MISSILE FIRING LIVE DISPLAY PHOTO ON THE OFFICIAL NIGERIAN NAVY WEBSITE IS NOT UPLOADING. I HAD TO COPY ANOTHER COUNTRY'S PALMARIA SELF PROPELLED ARTILLERY TO POST BECAUSE THE NIGERIAN ARMY PHOTO OF PALMARIA ARTILLEY IS TOO HEAVY IMAGE KILOBYTE SIZE AND REFUSE TO UPLOAD. SO I HAVE TO STOP HERE.

Nigeria does not have the privilege of long white rule and transfered european military technology that the south africans got up to 1990 from the apartheid white regime who built that country to their own standard with the believe that they will live there and rule south africa for ever.

Despite having to work on our own from 1960, we were alone 30 years earlier than south africa, and the british pulled out of our military totally, left us no heavy weapons and zero air force, unlike south africa that inherited all the white apartheid weaponry 100% and still uses the white military officers. Despite that, Nigeria has achieved these :

Nigeria has successfully and safely operated a Nuclear Research Reactor (NIRR-1) at the Centre for Energy Research and Training, Zaria (CERT) since 2004, and plans to build 3 nuclear reactors with russian assistance. Big lie we told the world is civilian use, big truth the secretive nigerian military hide is both civil and military nuclear programme, until IAEA raise eyebrow when the inspect what the russians are building now in nigeria's nuclear reactor on abuja's semi-desert area.

Nigerians and british engineers jointly built 1 of our 3 satellites now in space orbit for civil and military use

Nigerian airforce locally 100% built UAV's amebo-1, amebo-2, and now developing amebo-3 unmanned air drones for military air recce.

Nigeria defence industry locally 100% manufactures assualt rifles, RGP, GP machine guns, mortars and amoured personnel carriers at the DICON in kaduna city, we also produce all the ordinance/munitions for the weapons.

Nigerian defence industry also 100% locally produces a new armoured personnel carrier different from the Steyr APC which is under license

Nigerian airforce locally 100% manufactured remote controlled armoured robot tracker for land mines and bomb disposal

Nigerian navy dockyard in lagos locally 100% manufactured NNS Andoni an OPV now sailing in our navy


i have metioned the 7 key factors that are required to do correct military power ranking among nations.

after weapons inventory and manpower quality assessment, you move forward to what soldiers call military simulation which civilians call war games. you have to play the war games to know which country will likely win the war. i challenge anyone to play a war game between nigeria and south africa for the public to read on this website and justify his power rankings.

i will help with a bonus tip, war games use tactics, strategies and doctrice to profer solutions to combat engagement results, simulation (war games) are either heuristic simulations or stochastic simulations. any of the commentators on this site who has the technical ability can go ahead and display his war game.

zimbabwe and kenya did not make my list, because their heavy weapons are too few. numbers matter in war, because it produces overwhelming force which is not easy to defend against, the enemy begins to open up many different battle frontlines and it will stretch a smaller more modern force to break into units or else they become encircled in a pincer attack formation (i am already playing a strategic war game here).

this is the reason why american forces despite having more sophisticated weaponry, had to land in iraq in large massive numbers of men and equipment to contain the large and massive iraqi military. the americans learned this military lesson from korean war of 1950-1953 in which the american army had to retreat when china entered the war zone with its large army and tried to pincer attack the amrican army. the USA never won the war in korea, they pulled out. you cannot easily win a war with few year 2000 weapons when the enemy out-numbers you with very many year 1990 weapons on a ratio as much as 10:1, especially in land or sea engagements, but air combat may be a different ball game because of mutiple AAM target tracking, but if my Mig 29 carries 5 AAM and i shoot down 5 out of 10 enemy Mig 23, how will i face the remaining 5 Mig 23 jets whose pilots are not fools? and they are all attacking me from 12 o'clock-3 o'clock-6 o'clock-9 o'clock and rear afterburner positions all at the same time? i have played another tactical war game here.

the nigeria military is NOT an outdated force that lacks firepower, the nigerian military is well equipped for modern warfare and no country in africa has better officers and men, not even egypt or south africa. the egyptians have superior weapons i agree, but not superior men. nigerian military trains with only the best in the world and we dont usually publicize all these continous and very expensive training operations with the americans, british, germans, and indians. we train with different super power nations who have fought great wars and we learn the art of warfare from them every year, we have the money and we pay for it, very expensive to do.

any african country apart from egypt and algeria, that thinks it can over-run nigeria in military combat is joking. it will meet an unexpexted defence force and pay the price of under-estimating nigerian military. good military generals dont just attack, they estimate the enemy wholistically, that means all the aspects of the enemies military capacity will be considered to determine if it can be defeated otherwise you enter into a stalemate war like iran-iraq in 1988. we cannot just pick just some special weapons in a country's arsenal to judge who will defeat who. we have to consider all aspects of war as military analysts can think.

when you list weapons inventory and the other of the 7 factors, you have to do military simulation or else your rankings will be wrong. good weapons dont stand up and fight by themselves and win a war, generals have to marshall them, all weapon units and all weapon systems have to be pitched against the enemy in a battlefield simulation before you can judge who is likely to win after all types of medium to heavy weapons have been used for some weeks of full scale combat.

military simulation is technical, any one capable of playing a nigeria vs south africa war game, please go ahead for the public to read, marshall the weapons from heavy first and then to medium, that is the way forces usually engage. you may ignore light weapons from mortars to rifles, those will waste time.

any body ready for this challenge ? thank you

@agaugust- with all the equipment you have displayed, they are still no match to what we have in South Africa. You have made me go down with laughter when you mentioned that special forces brigade is something new in Nigeria. This is evident that Nigerian military is limping 50 good years behind the SANDF. In terms of military technological developments you are still like a new born baby in that department as compared to what SA has achieved technologically without any foreign assistance, you will even want to write a book.

agaugust: Nigeria does not have the privilege of long white rule and transfered european military technology that the south africans got up to 1990 from the apartheid white regime who built that country to their own standard with the believe that they will live there and rule south africa for ever.

Despite having to work on our own from 1960, we were alone 30 years earlier than south africa, and the british pulled out of our military totally, left us no heavy weapons and zero air force, unlike south africa that inherited all the white apartheid weaponry 100% and still uses the white military officers. Despite that, Nigeria has achieved these :

Nigeria has successfully and safely operated a Nuclear Research Reactor (NIRR-1) at the Centre for Energy Research and Training, Zaria (CERT) since 2004, and plans to build 3 nuclear reactors with russian assistance. Big lie we told the world is civilian use, big truth the secretive nigerian military hide is both civil and military nuclear programme, until IAEA raise eyebrow when the inspect what the russians are building now in nigeria's nuclear reactor on abuja's semi-desert area.

Nigerians and british engineers jointly built 1 of our 3 satellites now in space orbit for civil and military use

Nigerian airforce locally 100% built UAV's amebo-1, amebo-2, and now developing amebo-3 unmanned air drones for military air recce.

Nigeria defence industry locally 100% manufactures assualt rifles, RGP, GP machine guns, mortars and amoured personnel carriers at the DICON in kaduna city, we also produce all the ordinance/munitions for the weapons.

Nigerian airforce locally 100% manufactured remote controlled armoured robot tracker for land mines and bomb disposal

Nigerian navy dockyard in lagos locally 100% manufactured NNS Andoni an OPV now sailing in our navy

i have metioned the 7 key factors that are required to do correct military power ranking among nations.

after weapons inventory and manpower quality assessment, you move forward to what soldiers call military simulation which civilians call war games. you have to play the war games to know which country will likely win the war. i challenge anyone to play a war game between nigeria and south africa for the public to read on this website and justify his power rankings.

i will help with a bonus tip, war games use tactics, strategies and doctrice to profer solutions to combat engagement results, simulation (war games) are either heuristic simulations or stochastic simulations. any of the commentators on this site who has the technical ability can go ahead and display his war game.

zimbabwe and kenya did not make my list, because their heavy weapons are too few. numbers matter in war, because it produces overwhelming force which is not easy to defend against, the enemy begins to open up many different battle frontlines and it will stretch a smaller more modern force to break into units or else they become encircled in a pincer attack formation (i am already playing a strategic war game here).

this is the reason why american forces despite having more sophisticated weaponry, had to land in iraq in large massive numbers of men and equipment to contain the large and massive iraqi military. the americans learned this military lesson from korean war of 1950-1953 in which the american army had to retreat when china entered the war zone with its large army and tried to pincer attack the amrican army. the USA never won the war in korea, they pulled out. you cannot easily win a war with few year 2000 weapons when the enemy out-numbers you with very many year 1990 weapons on a ratio as much as 10:1, especially in land or sea engagements, but air combat may be a different ball game because of mutiple AAM target tracking, but if my Mig 29 carries 5 AAM and i shoot down 5 out of 10 enemy Mig 23, how will i face the remaining 5 Mig 23 jets whose pilots are not fools? and they are all attacking me from 12 o'clock-3 o'clock-6 o'clock-9 o'clock and rear afterburner positions all at the same time? i have played another tactical war game here.

the nigeria military is an outdated force that lacks firepower, the nigerian military is well equipped for modern warfare and no country in africa has better officers and men, not even egypt or south africa. the egyptians have superior weapons i agree, but not superior men. nigerian military trains with only the best in the world and we dont usually publicize all these continous and very expensive training operations with the americans, british, germans, and indians. we train with different super power nations who have fought great wars and we learn the art of warfare from them every year, we have the money and we pay for it, very expensive to do.

any african country apart from egypt and algeria, that thinks it can over-run nigeria in military combat is joking. it will meet an unexpexted defence force and pay the price of under-estimating nigerian military. good military generals dont just attack, they estimate the enemy wholistically, that means all the aspects of the enemies military capacity will be considered to determine if it can be defeated otherwise you enter into a stalemate war like iran-iraq in 1988. we cannot just pick just some special weapons in a country's arsenal to judge who will defeat who. we have to consider all aspects of war as military analysts can think.

when you list weapons inventory and the other of the 7 factors, you have to do military simulation or else your rankings will be wrong. good weapons dont stand up and fight by themselves and win a war, generals have to marshall them, all weapon units and all weapon systems have to be pitched against the enemy in a battlefield simulation before you can judge who is likely to win after all types of medium to heavy weapons have been used for some weeks of full scale combat.

military simulation is technical, any one capable of playing a nigeria vs south africa war game, please go ahead for the public to read, marshall the weapons from heavy first and then to medium, that is the way forces usually engage. you may ignore light weapons from mortars to rifles, those will waste time.

any body ready for this challenge ? thank you

@agaugust- with all the equipment you have displayed, they are still no match to what we have in South Africa. You have made me go down with laughter when you mentioned that special forces brigade is something new in Nigeria. This is evident that Nigerian military is limping 50 good years behind the SANDF. In terms of military technological developments you are still like a new born baby in that department as compared to what SA has achieved technologically without any foreign assistance, you will even want to write a book.

agaugust: Phalanx CIWS anti-missile defence radar guided weapon on nigerian navy ship NNS THUNDER. a second similiar ship has been ordered. ALL US NAVY ships carry same phalanx to shoot down any incoming missiles or bombs.

I thought tht ur missrepresentation of posts have stopped bt clearly I'm was missguided or mistaken.

The NNS Thunder is an old OPV or should I say defanged USN Cutter and not a warship like the 1 true warship in NN's ARADU and thts a fact.

The Phalanx CIWS was removed from the NNS Thunder fact Please stop posting LIES. The Hamilton Class Cutter AKA NNS Thunder is a 1970's cold war relic and the NN with all the money they have could've boagh a brand new 300m dollar mid range frigate which will be far more cost effective.

On the issue of nuclear power and weapons developement it takes 7-10 years just to commission 1 nuclear plant with a 5000MW capacity not to talk of enrichment of uranium and the implications there of. SA has had a plant and 2 research and enrichment facilities for over 45 years now. The Russians are no good if u wanna build a plant.

@Aguagust why do some of u keep on reffering to whites assive they alone build SA and that Black Labour played no part in its developement because the facts in reality says this is b*llsh*t because we all know who mixed the mortar and gravel.

Here is SANDF's answer to the Palmaria 155 artilary gunner