Ubenedictus: unfortunately galatians doesn't has any reference to genesis 2.
Sarah isn't the woman who gave birth to the messiah. Sorry she of genesis nor of jeremiah or isaiah.

And this how you debunked the bible verse i gave you out of your own imagination?

All you want someone that will say it is Mary whether true or false. With Sarah and hagar in mind, read Gal 4:25-26 and see how Sarah corresponds to the free Jerusalem which is the mother of us all and how Hagar correspond to the Jerusalem in bondage. Jerusalem is the woman.

You should be thanking me No! Thank God for me.

Boomark:
I am actually shocked that the images have different/random faces which you guys refer to as one person.
In God's standard, things are made to His specification not by human imagination. Besides in the new covenant, Christ said true worshipers must worship God in spirit and in truth. Don't you know that?

it is interesting that God didn't didn't show moses the faces of the cherubs he asked him to mould. At least people saw Jesus and could describe his features, i could imagine moses telling an artist to mould a cherub the artist had never seen only height and width, that was the specifications!

Besides tell me what you understand by the term "in spirit and in truth".
That aside the main variation in the ancient artworks i know are mainly of art not mainly of features.

Boomark:

And this how you debunked the bible verse i gave you out of your own imagination?

All you want someone that will say it is Mary whether true or false. With Sarah and hagar in mind, read Gal 4:25-26 and see how Sarah corresponds to the free Jerusalem which is the mother of us all and how Hagar correspond to the Jerusalem in bondage. Jerusalem is the woman.

You should be thanking me No! Thank God for me.

sorry my dear sarah is an allegory, a symbol of the new jerusalem, that doesn't in any way mean that the woman in genesis 2 is sarah. Your explanation of scripture is flawed, my dear.

italo:

Thats where you miss it. We dont refer to the images as one person. We refer to them as images of "one person."

An image is not the person and is not supposed to be the person. It is only made to resemble the person as much as possible.

The same way your pictures are not you and can look different from one another. They are only pictures of you, not you.

Also using images does not mean that we are not worshipping in spirit and truth. Otherwise the woman with issue of blood could be said to worship Jesus' garment.

The difference is very clear. Different persons whose images you refer to as one person. My pictures might differ but whoever looks at it will say that this is still boomark.

But this is like the case of the images of Boomark and Obasanjo referred to as the images of one person. How i wish someone can post the different pictures of Jesus. Who authorised the making of such images.

The woman exercised faith in Jesus and does not know what is means to worship God in spirit and in truth.

Ubenedictus: it is interesting that God didn't didn't show moses the faces of the cherubs he asked him to mould. At least people saw Jesus and could describe his features, i could imagine moses telling an artist to mould a cherub the artist had never seen only height and width, that was the specifications!

Besides tell me what you understand by the term "in spirit and in truth".
That aside the main variation in the ancient artworks i know are mainly of art not mainly of features.

"I can imagine Moses writing things he never witness." these are the words of unbelievers. When you say you believe in the Holyspirit, is it for mouth or mere recitation of nicene creed?

With regard to Christ,The apostles said "we regard no man according to the flesh" those who take this advice will never make an image of him. Those who can possibly do that are the type that worshiped Paul, calling him god despite his warning. This is where you borrow what you practice.

Your assumption that people saw and described Jesus is faulty. You don't assume in this kind of thing cos it might turn out that you are bowing to an ordinary man.

Ubenedictus: sorry my dear sarah is an allegory, a symbol of the new jerusalem, that doesn't in any way mean that the woman in genesis 2 is sarah. Your explanation of scripture is flawed, my dear.

Ok...i will wait for you to ask Rome what to say on the matter.

Boomark:
"I can imagine Moses writing things he never witness." these are the words of unbelievers. When you say you believe in the Holyspirit, is it for mouth or mere recitation of nicene creed?

are you saying the holyspirit described the cherub to the artist? Please be clear.
Beside my belief in the person of the holyspirit personal and communal, that means i believe it and share that believe with other christians. The last time i check u guys said d holyspirit is 'God's active force.

With regard to Christ,The apostles said "we regard no man according to the flesh" those who take this advice will never make an image of him. Those who can possibly do that are the type that worshiped Paul, calling him god despite his warning. This is where you borrow what you practice.

ofcourse a man is regard according to the spirit and that isn't a prohibition my dear, against images. Your insinuation on type of people are simply your ill informed opinion.

Your assumption that people saw and described Jesus is faulty. You don't assume in this kind of thing cos it might turn out that you are bowing to an ordinary man.

it is not an assumption, there are images of christ dating to the earlier times of christianity, that christ was described isn't an assumption but a conclusion based on historic and archelogical facts.

Boomark:

Ok...i will wait for you to ask Rome what to say on the matter.

a cheap insult, i choose to ignore.
It seem you could takle my response so you had to resort to this.
You were unable to show how the woman in genesis 2 relates to sarah and your response to that failure is d above.
Weldone.

Ubenedictus: are you saying the holyspirit described the cherub to the artist? Please be clear.
Beside my belief in the person of the holyspirit personal and communal, that means i believe it and share that believe with other christians. The last time i check u guys said d holyspirit is 'God's active force.

I see you guys are doubting God with powerful wave of unbelief. God said it will be made according to his specification, do you doubt that? How did they know what a cherub is and its features? Or you think it was made out of mere man's imagination? Don't you believe that God can guide them in making the Ark which is special to Him?

The Holyspirit is the power of God. Haven't you seen that before.

ofcourse a man is regard according to the spirit and that isn't a prohibition my dear, against images. Your insinuation on type of people are simply your ill informed opinion.

it is not an assumption, there are images of christ dating to the earlier times of christianity, that christ was described isn't an assumption but a conclusion based on historic and archelogical facts.

2 Corinthians 5:16.
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth we know him no more.

Delusion has caused more harm than good. Catholics don't heed the truth. Do you think that the apostles that knew about this will go on describing how Christ is so that people will make his image? No!

You don't regard Christ according to the flesh through images which you now use to connect and get closer to him. Those who do this are in the same category with those who worshiped Paul as god. They can easily make his image, saying to themselves, "this is god with us." these are people that have affinity for idol worship.

the images you all make is not that of Christ. If you go on looking for his skeleton and wrapper to use and form his image, then you are not obedient to his words through the apostles.

Ubenedictus: a cheap insult, i choose to ignore.
It seem you could takle my response so you had to resort to this.
You were unable to show how the woman in genesis 2 relates to sarah and your response to that failure is d above.
Weldone.

Sorry my brother. I was just waiting for you to show me how it was Mary is the woman but you were just giving me genesis 2, Isaiah, Jeremiah and i could not see anything.

I will try and link them up for you later today. From genesis to Revelation if possible.

Cheers!

The Woman is Jerusalem(Sarah) Not Mary

Genesis 3:15
New King James Version (NKJV)
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

the seed(not seed) of Satan are those who live according to the flesh. The see of the woman is Christ and all the children of God.

Galatians 3:16
New International Version (NIV)
16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

Galatians 3:29
New International Version (NIV)
29 If you belong to Christ,then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

As a result of being one with Christ, we too are Abraham's seed. I once showed my friend that we have the fullness of Godhead in us through Christ due to oneness with him. I and my Lord are one.

Romans 9:7-9
King James Version (KJV)
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


Galatians 4:22-26
New International Version (NIV)
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave womanand the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to theflesh,but his son by the free woman was born as the result of adivine promise.
24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women representtwo covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: Thisis Hagar.25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.26 But the Jerusalem that is aboveis free,and she is our mother.

Galatians 4:31
New International Version (NIV)
31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

Hagar is the slave woman and she corresponds to Jerusalem here on earth. Sarah is the free woman and she corresponds to Jerusalem above. Jerusalem above is free and she is our mother(the woman and mother of the children of God and Christ). This things were spoken, relating Jerusalem above to the SEED.

Rev 12:17
American King James Version
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, whichkeep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The woman is the mother of her seed. The remnant of her seed are the children of God and Galatians made us understand that Jerusalem is our mother, ie mother of the seed. This shows that Jerusalem above is the woman not Mary as Catholics erroneously teach.

Boomark: The Woman is Jerusalem(Sarah) Not Mary

Genesis 3:15
New King James Version (NKJV)
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

the seed(not seed) of Satan are those who live according to the flesh. The see of the woman is Christ and all the children of God.

Galatians 3:16
New International Version (NIV)
16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

Galatians 3:29
New International Version (NIV)
29 If you belong to Christ,then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

As a result of being one with Christ, we too are Abraham's seed. I once showed my friend that we have the fullness of Godhead in us through Christ due to oneness with him. I and my Lord are one.

Romans 9:7-9
King James Version (KJV)
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


Galatians 4:22-26
New International Version (NIV)
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave womanand the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to theflesh,but his son by the free woman was born as the result of adivine promise.
24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women representtwo covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: Thisis Hagar.25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.26 But the Jerusalem that is aboveis free,and she is our mother.

Galatians 4:31
New International Version (NIV)
31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

Hagar is the slave woman and she corresponds to Jerusalem here on earth. Sarah is the free woman and she corresponds to Jerusalem above. Jerusalem above is free and she is our mother(the woman and mother of the children of God and Christ). This things were spoken, relating Jerusalem above to the SEED.

Rev 12:17
American King James Version
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, whichkeep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The woman is the mother of her seed. The remnant of her seed are the children of God and Galatians made us understand that Jerusalem is our mother, ie mother of the seed. This shows that Jerusalem above is the woman not Mary as Catholics erroneously teach.

Nice and on point!

ayoku777:

Nice and on point!

Thanks bro.

The truth is been revealed these last days. Let all weigh what they have been believing for soo long.

Boomark:

The difference is very clear. Different persons whose images you refer to as one person. My pictures might differ but whoever looks at it will say that this is still boomark.

But this is like the case of the images of Boomark and Obasanjo referred to as the images of one person. How i wish someone can post the different pictures of Jesus. Who authorised the making of such images.

The woman exercised faith in Jesus and does not know what is means to worship God in spirit and in truth.

So you dont know that the camera is just an advanced technology of making images?

That is why it is closer to perfect, unlike sculptures.

Do you know that there are now machines that can take your dimensions and produce sculptures that are exactly like you?

If these were available in the time of Jesus, all the sculptures would probably be alike.

They are all imperfect images. Period.

Open your mind.

Boomark:

Thanks bro.

The truth is been revealed these last days. Let all weigh what they have been believing for soo long.

Hahaha, Which new truth have you revealed? that Abraham is the woman of Gen3:15? Or that the covenant was not with Abram but with Sarah? Your post at best serves as comic relief.

In Gen3:15, God was clear, "the woman" He said also "her seed". The particular woman even as a thought, a dream of God, has already entered into enemity with the devil. Such a woman can only be described as having the fullness of grace. Sarah was not, she laughed at the angel's prophesy, which was actually more than what caused Zechariah his speech. Even Abraham had to hide his intention on Isaac from her. Mary was called "Full of grace".

Even after sarah was long dead, the prophets continued to wait for the woman and her seed. See Is7:14

"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a
sign. Look, the young woman is with child
and shall bear a son, and shall name him
Immanuel". NRSV

Aha did he just identify the seed? And "the woman too? you didn't see that, did you?

Is there any need talking about Jesus himself, Who continued calling her "Woman" in order for you not to be in this folly? Yet you will not hear. You'll rather prefer to have a disrespectful Jesus as a model for your children.

What about Gal4:4, further identification of the seed and the woman.

Jesus is a seed of sarah just as absolom, ahab etc are as well. When we talk about Jesus and Mary, we talk of the woman and her only seed, who is God Is9:6.

Boomark:

Thanks bro.

The truth is been revealed these last days. Let all weigh what they have been believing for soo long.

Hahaha, Which new truth have you revealed? that Abraham is the woman of Gen3:15? Or that the covenant was not with Abram but with Sarah? Your post at best serves as comic relief.

In Gen3:15, God was clear, "the woman" He said also "her seed". The particular woman even as a thought, a dream of God, has already entered into enemity with the devil. Such a woman can only be described as having the fullness of grace. Sarah was not, she laughed at the angel's prophesy, which was actually more than what caused Zechariah his speech. Even Abraham had to hide his intention on Isaac from her. Mary was called "Full of grace".

Even after sarah was long dead, the prophets continued to wait for the woman and her seed. See Is7:14

"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a
sign. Look, the young woman is with child
and shall bear a son, and shall name him
Immanuel". NRSV

Aha did he just identify the seed? And "the woman too? you didn't see that, did you?

Is there any need talking about Jesus himself, Who continued calling her "Woman" in order for you not to be in this folly? Yet you will not hear. You'll rather prefer to have a disrespectful Jesus as a model for your children.

What about Gal4:4, further identification of the seed and the woman.

Jesus is a seed of sarah just as absolom, ahab etc are as well. When we talk about Jesus and Mary, we talk of the woman and her only seed, who is God Is9:6.

Indeed false prophets and teachers shall arise in the last days.

italo:

So you dont know that the camera is just an advanced technology of making images?

That is why it is closer to perfect, unlike sculptures.

Do you know that there are now machines that can take your dimensions and produce sculptures that are exactly like you?

If these were available in the time of Jesus, all the sculptures would probably be alike.

They are all imperfect images. Period.

Open your mind.

And who commanded who to make the image of Jesus? Paul said we don't know him anymore and should not regard him in the flesh. Catholics disobey this admonition by making images which they are not even sure who it is.

Have you not heard that those who do that are in the category of those that worshiped Paul as god out of ignorance.

My mind is very very sealed to idol worship.

Syncan:

Hahaha, Which new truth have you revealed? that Abraham is the woman of Gen3:15? Or that the covenant was not with Abram but with Sarah? Your post at best serves as comic relief.

And where did you see me write these things? Una love for twisting the scriptures and people's innocent words is unfathomable. Smh!!! For those that don't know how to face the truth.

In Gen3:15, God was clear, "the woman" He said also "her seed". The particular woman even as a thought, a dream of God, has already entered into enemity with the devil. Such a woman can only be described as having the fullness of grace. Sarah was not, she laughed at the angel's prophesy, which was actually more than what caused Zechariah his speech. Even Abraham had to hide his intention on Isaac from her. Mary was called "Full of grace".

Its obvious you don't know what to say. "as a thought, a dream of God" when did God dream dreams about the woman being already in enmity with the devil? You are just imagining what you want.

Even after sarah was long dead, the prophets continued to wait for the woman and her seed. See Is7:14

"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a
sign. Look, the young woman is with child
and shall bear a son, and shall name him
Immanuel". NRSV

Aha did he just identify the seed? And "the woman too? you didn't see that, did you?

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Therefore the Lord himself shall giveyou a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

"A virgin shall conceive" you just identified a virgin that will give birth to a son. We are looking at the woman and the seed according to the promise. You cannot fix Mary in Rev 12. You are also telling the world that Mary is not part of God's children cos the seed includes Christ and all the children of God.

Is there any need talking about Jesus himself, Who continued calling her "Woman" in order for you not to be in this folly? Yet you will not hear. You'll rather prefer to have a disrespectful Jesus as a model for your children.

What about Gal4:4, further identification of the seed and the woman.

Jesus is a seed of sarah just as absolom, ahab etc are as well. When we talk about Jesus and Mary, we talk of the woman and her only seed, who is God Is9:6.

Indeed false prophets and teachers shall arise in the last days.

Eve was referred to as the woman, Gen 3:13. Adam called eve the woman v12. Does this make Eve the woman we are looking for? No! Of course Christ will come out of a woman not out of a man. Women give birth to children. Did you not see how i connected everyone involved in the promise? Do the same or you have nothing to offer.

Mary is not the woman, Jerusalem above is our mother and she is the woman.

Boomark:

And who commanded who to make the image of Jesus? Paul said we don't know him anymore and should not regard him in the flesh. Catholics disobey this admonition by making images which they are not even sure who it is.

Have you not heard that those who do that are in the category of those that worshiped Paul as god out of ignorance.

My mind is very very sealed to idol worship.

You misunderstand Sacred Scripture as usual.

Gal 3: You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified

It seems like the Galatians were looking at a crucifix there. And Paul was very much interested in the earthly Jesus. Elsewhere, he says:

1Cor 1:33: "...but we preach Christ CRUCIFIED"

1Cor 2:2: "For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him CRUCIFIED."

Why is he preaching Christ crucified? Doesnt he know that Christ is reason?

And do you not know that Jesus resurrected and ascended BODILY?

It seems italo and syncan took care of your long post without much trouble, i didn't have to respond. Now try again!

Boomark:

And where did you see me write these things? Una love for twisting the scriptures and people's innocent words is unfathomable. Smh!!! For those that don't know how to face the truth.


Its obvious you don't know what to say. "as a thought, a dream of God" when did God dream dreams about the woman being already in enmity with the devil? You are just imagining what you want.


King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Therefore the Lord himself shall giveyou a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

"A virgin shall conceive" you just identified a virgin that will give birth to a son. We are looking at the woman and the seed according to the promise. You cannot fix Mary in Rev 12. You are also telling the world that Mary is not part of God's children cos the seed includes Christ and all the children of God.



Eve was referred to as the woman, Gen 3:13. Adam called eve the woman v12. Does this make Eve the woman we are looking for? No! Of course Christ will come out of a woman not out of a man. Women give birth to children. Did you not see how i connected everyone involved in the promise? Do the same or you have nothing to offer.

Mary is not the woman, Jerusalem above is our mother and she is the woman.

and you are telling me that jerusalem above gave birth to a son! Try again.

Ubenedictus: and you are telling me that jerusalem above gave birth to a son! Try again.

Are you the one that made that post? Try again.

That is what they say when they have no say. Delusion at work.

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Boomark:


Are you the one that made that post? Try again.

That is what they say when they have no say. Delusion at work.

delusion will be the person saying Sarah suffered birth pang when bearing Jesus! We all know sarah didn't bear Jesus. That was an unsucessful attempt to dribble God's word.

Slaves

Ubenedictus:


delusion will be the person saying Sarah suffered birth pang when bearing Jesus! We all know sarah didn't bear Jesus. That was an unsucessful attempt to dribble God's word.

Gal 4:6
New International Version
But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.

New Living Translation
But the other woman, Sarah, represents the heavenly Jerusalem. She is the free woman, and she is our mother.

You cannot understand or know these things until you flee from delusion.

To start the flight, first, you must stop bowing and kneeling to images of different people who you call Jesus. Same with Mary and others you don't even know.

Boomark:


Gal 4:6
New International Version
But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.

New Living Translation
But the other woman, Sarah, represents the heavenly Jerusalem. She is the free woman, and she is our mother.

You cannot understand or know these things until you flee from delusion.

To start the flight, first, you must stop bowing and kneeling to images of different people who you call Jesus. Same with Mary and others you don't even know.

In the old testament Sarah represents the new Jerusalem which was to come, but sarah is not the person experiencing birth pang giving birth to Jesus.

Stop playing with scriptures

Ubenedictus:



In the old testament Sarah represents the new Jerusalem which was to come, but sarah is not the person experiencing birth pang giving birth to Jesus.

Stop playing with scriptures

Gal 4:6 Says, the Jerusalem which IS above is free. She IS our Mother. Does this look like something that will happen in the future, something yet to become?

You don't have to wait for Rome before you agree. She IS your mother.

Stop misinterpreting the scriptures.

Boomark:


Gal 4:6 Says, the Jerusalem which IS above is free. She IS our Mother. Does this look like something that will happen in the future, something yet to become?

You don't have to wait for Rome before you agree. She IS your mother.

Stop misinterpreting the scriptures.

sarah is not the heavenly Jerusalem. The heavenly Jerusalem is our mother. But sarah didn't give birth to Jesus with any birth pangs.

Sorry.

Ubenedictus:


sarah is not the heavenly Jerusalem. The heavenly Jerusalem is our mother. But sarah didn't give birth to Jesus with any birth pangs.
Sorry.

We(Paul and I) are talking about spiritual things, not things of the flesh or of carnal reasoning.

Galatians 4:21-26 Revised Standard Version (RSV)

The Allegory of Hagar and Sarah

21 Tell me, you(Ubenedictus ) who desire to be under law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave and one by a free woman. 23 But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, the son of the free woman through promise. 24 Now this is an allegory: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.


The "Promise" is spiritual(not about Isaac from Sarah)

The "Seed" is spiritual(not about Isaac)

The "Woman" who gave birth in pains is spiritual, Rev 12.

Christ became her Seed in spirit.

We became the remaining of her Seed through the spirit, Rev 12:17.

The relationship between woman(Our mother, Jerusalem above), Christ(Seed) and Us(Seed) through the "Promise" is spiritual not carnal(ie no carnal input).

This is how they should be doing it(teaching) for you guys and not mixing up things which only brings confusion. So no body is saying Sarah is the heavenly Jerusalem. She(who is of the flesh) symbolically corresponds to it(which is of the spirit).

Boomark:


We(Paul and I) are talking about spiritual things, not things of the flesh or of carnal reasoning.

Galatians 4:21-26 Revised Standard Version (RSV)

The Allegory of Hagar and Sarah

21 Tell me, you(Ubenedictus ) who desire to be under law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave and one by a free woman. 23 But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, the son of the free woman through promise. 24 Now this is an allegory: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.


The "Promise" is spiritual(not about Isaac from Sarah)

The "Seed" is spiritual(not about Isaac)

The "Woman" who gave birth in pains is spiritual, Rev 12.

Christ became her Seed in spirit.

We became the remaining of her Seed through the spirit, Rev 12:17.

The relationship between woman(Our mother, Jerusalem above), Christ(Seed) and Us(Seed) through the "Promise" is spiritual not carnal(ie no carnal input).

This is how they should be doing it(teaching) for you guys and not mixing up things which only brings confusion. So no body is saying Sarah is the heavenly Jerusalem. She(who is of the flesh) symbolically corresponds to it(which is of the spirit).

you should see me now smiling at you.

So you simply prolonged the topic instead of puting things plainly.

Sarah was used as a symbol (allegorically as you say) of the new Jerusalem, which is above and is free and is our mother, that is True and on that we agree.

The real issue is on rev 12, that is actually a sign discribing real events of a woman about to give birth who at last gives birth to the Christ, you may claim that the woman in that passage is also the "heavenly Jerusalem" but that won't tally with the passage not just because d heavenly Jerusalem doesn't suffer birth pangs but because the passage shows that the dragon tried to harm the woman and she was given protection by the most high, again that does not fit into the narrative of the "heavenly Jerusalem" because dat Jerusalem is safe with God the dragon cannot even attempt to harm it. Unless ofcourse the woman in rev 12 is a different woman.

Your interpretation doesn't fit the passage.