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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Tokunbohkinibig: 9:31am On Oct 19, 2014
@@Chukwudi44 and Justcash, let's try to be realistic when it comes to war, there is nothing like Civilian in a war to be honest. Forget about the world politics and propaganda when it suits them. Civilian will always and continue to be used as fighting tools in the hands of their rulers. Let's quickly take a look at second world war; pearl harbour to be precise. Japanese army attacked pearl harbour not U.S mainland but what was U.S response to this attack? I guess your answer is as good as mine - Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Nagasaki was estimated to have about 263,000 people just before it was nuked and these are civilians not soldiers. The same thing repeated itself in Hiroshima with total population of 250,000 civilians.

Civilians in Niger delta/any region ll continue to bear the brunt of insurgency in their respective regions just like what is obtainable in the North east at moment and that has been happening for the past 5yrs.

Frankly speaking, without civilians' support, MEND can't never wage a war against Nigeria state and succeed. No group of people would be able to wage a war against any government without help from their host community. Realistically, It ll be xtremely difficult for OPC to war in ABA or anywhere in South east cos Igbos populace would easily identify them and deal with them mercilessly cos OPC is not fighting for their causes. The same fate would befall Massob in South west too if Massob try anything in South west too; that is power of civilians when they are not involved in anything.

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Lordlexyy: 9:35am On Oct 19, 2014
Justcash:


No, my intention is not to instill fear and eulogize MEND. I don't believe anybody that wants change should be scared of the resistance that will come with it. There will always be resistance to change. If my piece made you scared, then you need to have a rethink about the foundation of your political orientation.

Me scared. Not me. I fear for the poor people in that region that will obviously suffer the consequences of any needless uprising. As it stands now, we can't point to a cogent reason why Mend would want to pick arms against its gov't except for a political reason which they have largely benefitted from. Mend may distrupt the economy for sometime, but we fail to envisage the economic traumer the region will face after the fracas. The battle will eventually be lost by Mend and your prophecy of gloom and doom fails to caption or state the after effect of the war.

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by ba7man(m): 9:40am On Oct 19, 2014
Daft mend will blow up pipelines thereby poluting the soil, water and air of their homelands while getting rich bunkering the oil.

They'll also stupidly use the money they get to invest in Lagos and Abuja at the expense of Niger delta states.

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by AnanseK(m): 9:43am On Oct 19, 2014
Justcash:


That is not possible in the FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF NIGERIA. Check your history.

I'm surprised you don't see this attempt coming. What was the national
Conference for?

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Gbawe: 9:50am On Oct 19, 2014
@OP

No disrespect, but your entire analysis is ridiculed by one point you fundamentally misread. If GEJ loses to a landslide opposition victory, then I would really think it would be virtually impossible for MEND to ferment trouble. It would be obvious to the entire world that GEJ was not prevented from running. It was Nigerians who rejected him overwhelmingly. What would their agitation be based upon and who would support an undemocratic refusal to accept that Nigerians in the majority have clearly chosen their President even if that man is not GEJ?

Never forget that, In the past, it could be argued somewhat meritoriously that the MEND cause was just. You are now remaking them in the image of politically compromised and born-to-rule criminals. There would be no sympathy for MEND under such a drastic 'facelift' and completely revised modus operandi. Most Nigerians would overwhelmingly support that the group be crushed since it now only wants to be anarchic for the sake of it and for the political fortune of one man rather than because of any 'injustice' committed against a people or their land. No one nowhere would stand for a 're-branded' MEND, acting as a political militia group for GEJ and his leadership ambition, blackmailing Nigeria.

The rest of your points, like that above you get very wrong, just show a predilection for scaremongering not predicated on solid cause-and-effect logic.

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by drnoel: 9:58am On Oct 19, 2014
Justcash:


I like your profound optimism, but I really am not affiliated to any political position in 2015. However, as a political and economic analyst with a strong understanding of the dynamics in Nigerian politics, I can assure you that GEJ's liberal political approach (commendable) has erased the power of incumbency in the political calculations of 2015 general elections.

For your information, there are also consequences (mild) if the North fails to grab power in 2015. It is a political stalemate.

Your bat description is unnecessary.

Bros the bat description was metaphoric and not to cause upset. I agree with the writer but with ur comments, I still dey look am one kind one kind. GEJ is going to win, what we don't know yet is how difficult APC will make it for him.

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by nuclearboy(m): 10:04am On Oct 19, 2014
Justcash:


I like the confidence with which you have written. Unfortunately, the dynamics of political backed militancy is way beyond conventional warfare tactics. Boko Haram embark on suicide missions and kill civilians em mass, MEND blow up pipelines that threatens the economic sustainability of the nation. Buhari is not more rugged and heartless than IBB, ABACHA AND OBJ that could not destroy the evolution of MEND from tiny MOSOP and other harmless splinter groups. Like I have told others, you better be careful about what you wish for.

The difference "in this case" is that such would be an outright declaration of war. If you consider what I wrote, I clearly stated that what matters is the winner being TRULY the choice of the nation. In effect, if Nigerians truly want Buhari and then Dokubo says "no, I prefer and insist" on Jonathan. Its the same if we want Jonathan and any Hausa-Fulani (as BH did) says "No, I prefer a muslim". Refer to 2011 and even today. Boko Haram declared war on Nigeria but only got so far because funds for the war effort went into private pockets (there is even a possibility that some didn't even get to the generals) and because government itself politicized everything.

A serious leader with a military hierarchy alive to its role will wipe out any dissent. Please remember that war isn't just rifles - ND Militants are armed (we all know) but Automatic rifles, Machine guns and RPGs are the least in terms of arsenal. If fighting attrition warfare, fine (for a while) but we all just saw what true warfare is like at Konduga. Note also BH has Sambisa aside 3 massive states (land size) and were killing their own people more than anyone else - they had space to roam in. I doubt Dokubo and co will use N-Deltans the same way and the entire region is too small for boko-like tactics.

All in all, reality will soon strike

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Chubhie: 10:09am On Oct 19, 2014
It seems the poor masses are fuckedd cos it is either boko slaughters US all like rams or Mend blows US back to 12th century. Always Pushing poor masses to pick a lesser evil.

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Ediskcab(m): 10:10am On Oct 19, 2014
Justcash:
I am writing this piece without political affiliation. I foresee some horrifying occurrences if Jonathan is voted out of power in 2015.

1. AN ENERGIZED MEND WILL RETURN TO THE CREEKS WITH RENEWED VIGOR TO DESTROY NIGERIA ONCE AND FOR ALL

2. I ADVISE NIGERIANS TO BRACE UP FOR ECONOMIC DOWNTURN, BECAUSE IN A FEW MONTHS AFTER THE LOSS OF GEJ, OIL PRODUCTION WILL BE REDUCED TO ZERO AND NIGERIA'S ECONOMY WILL TAKE A TUMBLE

3. THE NEW GOVERNMENT WILL BE BUSY FIGHTING MILITANCY FOR THE DURATION OF THEIR TENURE, JUST TO STABILIZE THE ECONOMY AND FIND FUNDS TO EMBARK ON DEVELOPMENTAL PROJECTS

4. THE WAR IN THE NORTH EAST WILL BE A JOKE COMPARED TO THE WAR THAT WILL TAKE PLACE IN THE NIGER-DELTA. HAVING LEARNT FROM BOKO HARAM, MEND WILL CAPTURE AND CLAIM VITAL (OIL HUBS) TERRITORIES

5. THE DEBT PROFILE OF NIGERIA WILL INCREASE TO AN UNPRECEDENTED LEVEL DUE TO GOVERNMENT'S RESORT TO BORROWING AND SHORT-FALLS IN THE ECONOMY

6. NIGERIA'S GDP WILL TAKE A TUMBLE

7. THE FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION BY THE NEW GOVERNMENT WILL BE VIEWED FROM AN ETHNO-RELIGIOUS ANGLE AS A WITCH-HUNT, AND ETHNO-RELIGIOUS DIVISIONS WILL WIDEN

8. THE THREAT OF DIVISION WILL BE MORE APPARENT THAN IT HAS EVER BEEN AS COUNTER-MILITANCY SOLUTIONS WILL BE ADOPTED BY NIGERIAN ETHNIC GROUPS

9. I SEE A NEW REGIONAL AND POLITICAL SYSTEM BEING PROPOSED TO REDUCE ETHNIC AND RELIGIOUS BASED SUSPICION, WHICH WILL BE OPPOSED BY A CERTAIN REGION

10. NIGERIA WILL BECOME MORE EXPOSED TO FOREIGN INTERFERENCE

Most Nigerians don't know how dicey the political situation in Nigeria is. Nigeria is in a stalemate. 2015 will indeed redefine Nigeria in all ramifications. I PRAY FOR MY DEAR COUNTRY.


Prophet of DHOOM well done.
U mean another political Boko haram will spring up in the ND?

May every soul/cabal/group/political party etc wishing Nigeria ill never witness the next general election.

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by bakynes(m): 10:17am On Oct 19, 2014
I have nothing more to say I agree with Gbawe and Nuclear boy.
Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Asoozy: 10:36am On Oct 19, 2014
Sound reasoning.

nuclearboy:
All the threats by the windbag Dokubo are just hot air. Boko Haram achieved what they did because the current president does not have the respect of his Generals, allowed them to steal all the monies meant to inspire the fighting men and make them comfortable. So what did anyone expect? One single battle-hardened battalion from 1 Div has changed the face of the war and BH has again mostly become hit and run. Thats because officers who "enjoyed" the war sent the newbies (poorly armed and with zero coordination) against BH

A Buhari who is revered by the military as the ONLY Man ever to lead Nigeria to war against a foreign country, who practically took over Chad in hours, who will not allow officers steal whats due to his men and who is decisive and clean CANNOT be compared to a GEJ whose generals bought bulletproof vests that couldn't stop stones from a catapult YET who kept quiet because he was afraid of losing support

Eventually, the Asaris will run away or kowtow. Yes, they (Delta militants) will stop Nigeria for 3 weeks but its a cut your nose situation - because they will lose their families, lifestyles, and futures to the environmental devastation of blowing up everything. They will not be welcome anyplace on earth and if you couldn't hide from OBJ, is it GMB you wish to hide from? Their mothers and children will stop them anyway

Its always just been noise. I like the arming though - they have added to Nigeria's stockpiles cheesy because IF Buhari, everyone will be disarmed and that rightly!

Way I see it, what matters is that whoever wins TRULY has Nigeria behind him like Jonathan did in 2011. Any ethnicity opposed to a TRUE WINNER will bend or break

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by helphelp: 10:43am On Oct 19, 2014
Justcash:


This post is not meant to change anyone's voting pattern. It is a revelation of some obvious occurrences that will emerge as a result of a loss by GEJ in 2015. In fact, it will be a shame for anyone to change their plan to honor a candidate with their votes based on this thread. However, if you want change, you must be ready for the consequences of change.

Amnesty is a farce. Militants (generally) make more money from illegal activities in the creeks than from the stipends from government. It is the promise of political control that stemmed their activities.


The consequences of change is imminent.

And not all prophecies come through.

We propose and God disposes. 15yrs under PDP, and we are yet to reap the dividends of democracy.

The fear of what might happen, shouldn't be the reason we shouldn't vote out the PDP.

It's just painful to think the opposition keeps fielding an old cargo to tackle a GEJ.

In as much as I want GEJ out, I would have preferred a younger opposition.

Any ways, I urge everyone to vote right, do not let threads like this cloud your head when you are about to vote.

And for that fellow, that said Nigerians are not gullible, you probably ain't staying here in Naija.

A place where people sell votes for a small bag of rice.

A place where pastors are riding private jets, and church members are still where they are.

A place where a newly elected governor, just appointed a special adviser on stomach infrastructure.

One day, Nigeria will be great again.

God bless Nigeria

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by igwedaboss(m): 11:15am On Oct 19, 2014
CyberWolf:
The issue is that some people are shouting change change,but don't want to pay the ultimate price...For change to occur,it has to be bought and paid for by people's life,especially the protagonist..You cannot fight for change and expect to enjoy it,no it doesn't happen that way..For change to occur,people must give up their life in exchange for the change so that their loved ones will enjoy it..
Clearly stated. @justcash thanks for this insightful thread. I can't believe nl'ders can be this interactive with very little intentions to derail the thread.
I for one respect everyone's view and opinions about this so called prophesy, if you are an open minded person you will see that Nigeria and it's politics is far greater than what only a man can know. Nigeria of tomorrow is only what God can know, even G.E.J is not sure about tomorrow.
That aside, for those who craves for change in Nigeria should be ready for its outcomes and be rest assured that it's not going to be a very peaceful one. In as much I desire change in Nigeria I am yet to see who can strongly bring about that change we all crave for. The opposition party we tend to put our belief in as a lot of question marks hanging over it's head, it's political structure is questionable and their togetherness. That's why it's best you cling to the devil you know than the one you don't know. I'm still yet to choose who to vote for because PDP over their years of rule are yet to show if they have what it takes to bring about that desired change.
About the issue of MEND, trust me if they decide to rise if G.E.J loses in the next coming election it's not going to be easy. A Lot of people say things because you don't know what the MEND can do. I'm not here to brag about them, but if you think hitting the pipelines is the only thing they can do then you have to prove to me that our harbors are very safe and well protected, and believe it or not our harbors hold a very strong part in our economy. So if we so much desire change how ready are we to pick up our selves if MEND decides to strike. Well the Nigerian army may strike all of them down at one point or the other but before then nko? They host lots of weapons, high grade weapons. I was graced to interact with some of them in the south south region, south south ain't no joke even with the kind of money these boys have now is enough to cause an uproar with lots of them going for training abroad. Well because of the war against BH at least G.E.J has equipped the N.A, but the question is, is it enough to conquer the creeks? Desert different from creeks. Let's just hope peace reigns.

Let us vote wisely. God bless and happy sunday.

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by wanimo: 11:32am On Oct 19, 2014
If u are a prophet, u are definitely a false prophet based on these 2 reasons. 1) GEJ is going to win next year and all ur blabing prophesies will come to nothing. 2) U dont understand the real dynamism of Nigerian politics, who ever holds the center has the power to use the divide and rule system. What was obtainable 5years ago might not next year. Nigeria is too unique to be easily predictable.
Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by tundemogba12(m): 11:46am On Oct 19, 2014
Prophecy of doom! This shall not be the portion of Nigeria in Jesus name.
Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by wanimo: 11:55am On Oct 19, 2014
rasojie:
Reading this post this morning. I cannot but wonder how deep we have fallen. It is a shame that the 15 years misrule by the PDP Has eaten deep into our brains that we now belive that we cant have a working and functional govt. This a more reason why we need change. NIGERIANS NEED TO SEE THE GLORY OF DEMOCRACY. WE HAVE BEEN TAKEN FOR GRANTED FI TOO LONG. Its time to see a working and functional Nigeria. I am tired of seeing 'cluelessness' being displayed in high places. Truth is we have fallen so deep. Tired of this horror movie called PDP.... ..... I need change. Thats all
pls u seem to 4get that the current majority in the opposition that u support were the same poeple who misruled Nigeria in the PDP, only to run to a new platform to start calling names. Whether u wear monkey coat or agbada or tracksuits, monkey na monkey. Some months back some people were screaming Rribadu/APC, where is Ribadu 2day? We the younger generation that form the bulk of the electorate should be wise to vote individuals and never party.
Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Justcash(m): 12:14pm On Oct 19, 2014
Tokunbohkinibig:
@@Chukwudi44 and Justcash, let's try to be realistic when it comes to war, there is nothing like Civilian in a war to be honest. Forget about the world politics and propaganda when it suits them. Civilian will always and continue to be used as fighting tools in the hands of their rulers. Let's quickly take a look at second world war; pearl harbour to be precise. Japanese army attacked pearl harbour not U.S mainland but what was U.S response to this attack? I guess your answer is as good as mine - Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Nagasaki was estimated to have about 263,000 people just before it was nuked and these are civilians not soldiers. The same thing repeated itself in Hiroshima with total population of 250,000 civilians.

Civilians in Niger delta/any region ll continue to bear the brunt of insurgency in their respective regions just like what is obtainable in the North east at moment and that has been happening for the past 5yrs.

Frankly speaking, without civilians' support, MEND can't never wage a war against Nigeria state and succeed. No group of people would be able to wage a war against any government without help from their host community. Realistically, It ll be xtremely difficult for OPC to war in ABA or anywhere in South east cos Igbos populace would easily identify them and deal with them mercilessly cos OPC is not fighting for their causes. The same fate would befall Massob in South west too if Massob try anything in South west too; that is power of civilians when they are not involved in anything.

MEND fighters are mostly in the creeks and they can maneuver in the deepest and most violent parts of the ocean. The bombardment of villages in the past have proven to escalate than de-escalate their agitation. After the bombardments, foot soldiers head to the villages. They kill, rape and plunder, then they are pointed towards the creeks to fish MEND fighters out. History is replete with tales of horrible deaths and shameful capitulation by Nigerian soldiers. It is indeed something we need to pray against because the Nigerian military cannot curtail the destructive capacity of MEND.

Unlike BOKO HARAM, MEND operates in a fluid manner in the creeks and they take down important economic facilities rather than civilian lives, which is why it takes only a short time for them to win these civilians over. We must pray more than boast.

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Justcash(m): 12:21pm On Oct 19, 2014
AnanseK:


I'm surprised you don't see this attempt coming. What was the national
Conference for?

GEJ does not have any intention of being a life president. He is aware that he cannot be one. Even if he decides to do it, he will not succeed because Nigeria is not a type of country that a single individual can lord over for life. Those that have tried it are no longer breathing.

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Justcash(m): 12:24pm On Oct 19, 2014
ba7man:
Daft mend will blow up pipelines thereby poluting the soil, water and air of their homelands while getting rich bunkering the oil.

They'll also stupidly use the money they get to invest in Lagos and Abuja at the expense of Niger delta states.


Sadly, you are right.
Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Asoozy: 12:25pm On Oct 19, 2014
Justcash:


GEJ does not have any intention of being a life president. He is aware that he cannot be one. Even if he decides to do it, he will not succeed because Nigeria is not a type of country that a single individual can lord over for life. Those that have tried it are no longer breathing.

But he can. The only group that always agitate against injustice is the Yoruba. All he need do is get rid of those ones. Without the Yorubas He will get what he wants. grin

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Justcash(m): 12:27pm On Oct 19, 2014
nuclearboy:


The difference "in this case" is that such would be an outright declaration of war. If you consider what I wrote, I clearly stated that what matters is the winner being TRULY the choice of the nation. In effect, if Nigerians truly want Buhari and then Dokubo says "no, I prefer and insist" on Jonathan. Its the same if we want Jonathan and any Hausa-Fulani (as BH did) says "No, I prefer a muslim". Refer to 2011 and even today. Boko Haram declared war on Nigeria but only got so far because funds for the war effort went into private pockets (there is even a possibility that some didn't even get to the generals) and because government itself politicized everything.

A serious leader with a military hierarchy alive to its role will wipe out any dissent. Please remember that war isn't just rifles - ND Militants are armed (we all know) but Automatic rifles, Machine guns and RPGs are the least in terms of arsenal. If fighting attrition warfare, fine (for a while) but we all just saw what true warfare is like at Konduga. Note also BH has Sambisa aside 3 massive states (land size) and were killing their own people more than anyone else - they had space to roam in. I doubt Dokubo and co will use N-Deltans the same way and the entire region is too small for boko-like tactics.

All in all, reality will soon strike

Hmmm, I will advise you to read about past operations by MEND. They announce where they want to attack and warn people to leave those targets before they hit them. Unlike Boko Haram, they burn down the economy, not people. They hit the government under the belt.

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Justcash(m): 12:31pm On Oct 19, 2014
Asoozy:


But he can. The only group that always agitate against injustice is the Yoruba. All he need do is get rid of those ones. Without the Yorubas He will get what he wants. grin

I don't think it is only Yorubas that agitate against injustice. It was Northerners that saw through the elimination of Abacha. The interests in Nigerian politics is just too complex for one man to overcome. It reflects in the confusion that is normally faced by Nigerian leaders. Too many hands in the cooking pot.
Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by EldaTimba(m): 12:48pm On Oct 19, 2014
I can't but agree with the op. Should GEJ lose, US prediction will come to pass. Remember GEJ still have months after he probably losses. He will sigh phone funds to MEND and they will buy sophisticated arms which they will successfully use to crumble the economy.

Last bullet:
Nigeria is one because of oil. If oil is gone,nigeria is gone.

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Asoozy: 12:50pm On Oct 19, 2014
Justcash:


I don't think it is only Yorubas that agitate against injustice. It was Northerners that saw through the elimination of Abacha. The interests in Nigerian politics is just too complex for one man to overcome. It reflects in the confusion that is normally faced by Nigerian leaders. Too many hands in the cooking pot.

Tell me why the northerners executed Abacha.
Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by atlwireles: 12:51pm On Oct 19, 2014
[quote author=Omimah post=27263057]
[s]Is that all you can say? You're an Urhobo Niger Deltan, try to organize any movement against Buhari when he wins and see what will be left of you.[/quote[/s]]
Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Justcash(m): 1:06pm On Oct 19, 2014
Asoozy:


Tell me why the northerners executed Abacha.

Executed is a harsh word to use. Elimination is better. Diverse interests and fear of an uncontrollable Despot was the chief reason among many. That, however, is a story for another thread.
Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Tokunbohkinibig: 1:16pm On Oct 19, 2014
I Know this point I am about to emphasise on has been over flogged by different ops here but let me repeat it again for the last time. If MEND decides to go into War with Nigeria state, Niger delta will never be the same again i swear down. I can bet it with anybody here that the militants ll regret their action after the whole drama has ended. The only reason why they succeeded in the past was this marginalisation factor but now that they ve tasted presidency and amnesty, they would be crushed with no mercy. It ll be a full fall out war on militants considering the mood of hausa/Fulanis(60% of our armies) right now. The way these merciless hausa/Fulanis army would ruthlessly wreck havoc on their land ll be unprecedented.

I am only citing Chad and Civil war as a case study here, no intention to tribalise this tread. Do you think Igbos don't have access to the same Creek during the civil war? They did but it was a full war so there was no hidden place. Can these illiterates Dokubo and his likes be more intelligent and smart than Ojukwu who was trained in one of the best military schools in the world? Can militant mobilise as much people as Ojukwu did? Can they have the same support Ojukwu enjoyed with his kinsmen? I guess the answer to all these questions are No(s) and this ll tell you how much they would be pounded by Nigerian army.

Listen, both US and Britain ll always choose Nigeria over any militants cos of their stakes in Nigeria and these stakes have been in existences for years. South Sudan has oil but millions of them have been killed over years before........

Asari and his likes' properties would be seized either here in Nigeria or Benin Republic. And trust me, life ll be unbearable for them. It's obvious to entire world now that these guys only care about their pockets not the Niger deltans unlike before when we all believed that they are fighting for developments in their region.

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Asoozy: 1:28pm On Oct 19, 2014
Justcash:


Executed is a harsh word to use. Elimination is better. Diverse interests and fear of an uncontrollable Despot was the chief reason among many. That, however, is a story for another thread.

Potatoe -potato.

Uncontrollable despot you say? Now tell me what would have brought that about.

No, let's discuss it here, it's all related.

You're not trying to shy away from the true facts here, are you now?

Give honour to whom it's due abeg!

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by twosquare(m): 1:33pm On Oct 19, 2014
Tokunbohkinibig:
I have said this before and i ll repeat it again, MEND had the support of people outside and within that region before Jonathan became a Nigerian president. People within and outside that region felt that they were marginalised and abandon over the years but having been given presidency and amnesty for the past five years has now changed the whole equation against MEND as at today.

Thousands of souls ll be lost Unprecedentedly in that region if MEND try anything funny and I can see these rich militants disappearing to thin air cos of their wealth, they wouldn't want to die like chickens. Niger delta ll be the battlefield; the entire region will turn out to be a mini Mogadishu in Somalia. Those Hausa/fulani soldiers.......

If MEND goes to war with Nigeria state, it ll be disastrous for MEND and d entire region cos Nigeria government will not only deal with MEND alone but the entire region. Trust me, Odi ll be a child play to what would happen this time around.

Unlike previous government, the new government ll ruthlessly deal with MEND having learnt from their past history and boko haram insurgency.


0have been reading comment all through but this got my attention. Yes it will be disastrous bu think of this: the scenario of MEND fighting the government won't be like Odi...coz odi is just a group of harmless civilians(even the main culprits were not caught). But MEND scenario is diffrent coz it will be like u and a guy is fighting and that guy was able to get hold of ur P.enis and scrotum...won't you beg him knowing that a force from his hand will ruin ur life? The oil we have now in niger-delta is the Scrotum of Nigerian economy....and any attempt to use brutal force will bring the nation down to her death. No income: disorganized and social unrest and full scale war.
And sorry, the Nigeria of today is divided...no one will fight Hausa/fulani battles this time around. Not yoruba nor igbo, nor ijaw nor middle beltan soldiers...everybody knows how to answer Im papa name when the worst come to worst.
Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Justcash(m): 1:34pm On Oct 19, 2014
Gbawe:
@OP

No disrespect, but your entire analysis is ridiculed by one point you fundamentally misread. If GEJ loses to a landslide opposition victory, then I would really think it would be virtually impossible for MEND to ferment trouble. It would be obvious to the entire world that GEJ was not prevented from running. It was Nigerians who rejected him overwhelmingly. What would their agitation be based upon and who would support an undemocratic refusal to accept that Nigerians in the majority have clearly chosen their President even if that man is not GEJ?

Never forget that, In the past, it could be argued somewhat meritoriously that the MEND cause was just. You are now remaking them in the image of politically compromised and born-to-rule criminals. There would be no sympathy for MEND under such a drastic 'facelift' and completely revised modus operandi. Most Nigerians would overwhelmingly support that the group be crushed since it now only wants to be anarchic for the sake of it and for the political fortune of one man rather than because of any 'injustice' committed against a people or their land. No one nowhere would stand for a 're-branded' MEND, acting as a political militia group for GEJ and his leadership ambition, blackmailing Nigeria.

The rest of your points, like that above you get very wrong, just show a predilection for scaremongering not predicated on solid cause-and-effect logic.

I respect your point of view, however you seem to overlook certain factors.
First, Buhari is currently being canvassed by mainly Core Northern and Western Nigerians. The East, South and Mid-belt are all tilted towards GEJ. This is based on the collective suspicion of a "born-to-rule" agitation by the North, which, unfortunately, Buhari is seen to represent. The suspicion over the North's seeming support of Boko Haram as a means of grabbing power by all means is not helping matters. The sentiment of "if Boko Haram succeeds for them, then MEND will rise for us" is very much real. If you don't know, know it now.

Secondly, Niger-deltans currently feel that there is a gang-up by the North and West against their right to complete their 8 years cycle in the presidency. If you are not aware, then I am telling you now. They feel that they are being trampled upon because they are seen as a minority group, and that all the criticisms against GEJ are based on ethno-religious concerns. Infact, GEJ is seen as having contributed to the development of Nigeria more than most of the leaders before him.

Thirdly, GEJ is backed by the EAST (Igbos) and the Mid-Belt along with the South-South. To say that Buhari will be voted for overwhelmingly to the extent that foul play will not be perceived is false. Buhari, just like GEJ, cannot win clearly in an election. Stories of manipulations in the North and all that will come up. That alone is enough to drive up sentiments for political agitation. That is where resistance to change will emerge.

Finally, MEND can never be viewed as a criminal organization, as long as they are fighting for a better political calculation for their region. It is also very easy for them to win the sympathy of their people. We all know that Buhari and co will visit any uprising with untold military show of dominance, where innocent lives and villages will be destroyed. That is enough to win sympathy over to MEND. FYI, a new MEND will be 50 times more deadly than the one you saw before. The reasons are obvious; More willing youths to be used, politically backed by PDP politicians, more money to use for purchasing weapons, more skilled fighters e.g. ex-militants that can now fly jets etc.

Like I said, I respect your point of view. However, the political situation is more complex than you can ever imagine.

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Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Justcash(m): 1:49pm On Oct 19, 2014
Asoozy:


Potatoe -potato.

Uncontrollable despot you say? Now tell me what would have brought that about.

No, let's discuss it here, it's all related.

You're not trying to shy away from the true facts here, are you now?

Give honour to whom it's due abeg!

My point is that, no Nigerian can lead Nigeria for life. If it was possible, people like OBJ would still be in power now. Perpetuation in Power is being fought by Nigerians from every ethnic group, not only western Nigerians.

I am sorry, but this is not the place to discuss about that. It is an issue that can be left for another thread.
Re: Prophesy about the outcome of a Jonathan's Loss In 2015 by Nobody: 1:50pm On Oct 19, 2014
ISpiksDaTroof:
The Niger Delta cannot sneeze if GEJ loses. If they try it, you'll see that the same Govts that have refused to assist Nigeria over terrorism because of the criminals at the helm, will supply weapons and intelligence to ensure the oil supply continues. Who will fight the Nigerian Army on behalf of the Ijaws in that Region? The Ibos? Edos? Deltans? Calabar? Akwa Ibom? Who?! They will bear the brunt of the Nigerian Army alone. All the big talk you hear Asari and co making is because they know their final destination will be prison once a new Govt comes in and their crimes against Nigeria is exposed for the world to see.
the warped thoughts of a daydreaming,hallucinating,jobless n idle_arsse born2rule abokii parasite..no place for losers n no vacancy at da villa..so op,save ur breath.

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