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Re: Facebook And Apple To Freeze Eggs For Their Female Employees by Nobody: 7:40am On Oct 22, 2014
SirShymex:


I'll leave that because I can't dig out a thread from two years ago, and my old handle is dead. And you always get belligerent and emotional, when people don't agree with you, or they're exposing your dissonance.

Don't worry about that, it was my own thread. I would dig it out for you. undecided
https://www.nairaland.com/1134211/romance-sections-slum-book-p

I already posted what Alice Walker said in her own words about the differences between the two ideologies to buttress my point. And everything you keep spouting are just things you just googled, and other things "zexten" alluded to. Womanism can be what purple is to black feminism's Lavender, however, that doesn't negate the fact the nuances between the two. Just as black consciousness can be what purple is to Afrocentrism's lavender, but that doesn't negate the differences between the two ideologies.
Anyway, this article explains both ideologies better, with the differences (excerpts):

This is from the same article you posted.

Go back and read more carefully this time.

Black Feminism tackles the social, political, and educational struggle of African-American women in the United States but it does not address all the global issues that women in the African Diaspora are dealing with. It should be noted that in no way is Black Feminism any more or less important than Womanism. In fact, there are many elements in Black Feminism that are considered womanist values, such as the recognition of African roots, the pattern of defining a Black woman’s standpoint and the struggle to rectify sexist attitudes.
http://www.genderacrossborders.com/2011/03/29/feminism-and-womanism/

Womanism is a term that Alice Walker coined. She defines a womanist in her literary work, In Search of Our Mother’s Gardens: Womanist Prose, as

“A woman who loves other women, sexually and/or non-sexually. Appreciates and prefers women’s culture, women’s emotional flexibility (values tears as natural counterbalance of laughter), and women’s
strength. Sometimes loves individual men, sexually and/or non-sexually. Committed to survival and wholeness of entire people, male and female. Not a separatist, except periodically, for health. Traditionally universalist… Loves music. Loves dance. Loves the moon. Loves the Spirit. Loves love and food and roundness. Loves struggle. Loves the Folk. Loves herself. Regardless.”

BananaBender:
Firstly, Alice Walker was considered a feminist in her biography. In fact, she saw no difference between black feminism and womanism. Yes, some people tried to change what womanism meant by removing the struggles of African Americans and focusing it on a more general all-balck scale.

Do you see why I said you need to learn how to read? This is no one's interpretation but the founder's.

I need to get ready for work - I'm out.
Google some more, I'll be here waiting. wink

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Re: Facebook And Apple To Freeze Eggs For Their Female Employees by Nobody: 8:00am On Oct 22, 2014
BananaBender:

Don't worry about that, it was my own thread. I would dig it out for you. In fact, you were on the list of those I find annoying grin grin
https://www.nairaland.com/1134211/romance-sections-slum-book-p

Annoying and what else did you post there with you, your whole clique, and a lot of other folks? I just woke up to that that day almost two years ago. You can't deny it now! grin


This is from the same article you posted.

Go back and read more carefully, this time.

Womanism is a term that Alice Walker coined. She defines a womanist in her literary work, In Search of Our Mother’s Gardens: Womanist Prose, as

BananaBender:
Firstly, Alice Walker was considered a feminist in her biography. In fact, she saw no difference between black feminism and womanism. Yes, some people tried to change what womanism meant by removing the struggles of African Americans and focusing it on a more general all-balck scale.

Do you see why I said you need to read? This is no one's interpretation but the founder's.

It seems comprehension isn't your forte. Her definition clearly stated that a womanist is: "Committed to survival and wholeness of entire people, male and female. Not a separatist, except periodically, for health."

This is just self-explanatory since (Black) Feminism is more female oriented, while womanism is more family oriented, and it encompasses both male and female struggles. And not involved in separatism like feminism does. Those are in her words, not mine - and that was what the excerpts I posted alluded to. The only similarities between the two are: they both recognise the African roots of their struggles, and they also involve rectifying sexist attitudes.

Again, you're running.

Why would I run from you? You're not even offering anything intellectually. I've got bills to pay, and that's how you survive when you're a young bachelor. grin

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Re: Facebook And Apple To Freeze Eggs For Their Female Employees by Nobody: 8:05am On Oct 22, 2014
Another classic difference between feminism and womanism:

While feminism is an European ideology, womanism is more of an African ideology.

Excerpts again from the article:

1) Feminism

The Feminism Movement, comprised of theories from a white woman’s perspective, sees the male counterpart as the primary enemy; women of color do not necessarily feel the same way. Whereas white women have been oppressed by white men, women of the African Diaspora have always been equal to their male counterparts due to the fact both have been equal partners in the struggle against oppression. Furthermore, men of the African Diaspora have never had the same institutionalized power to oppress women of color as white men have had to oppress white women (Hudson-Weems).

2) Womanism

Womanism is not a new idea by any means; in fact there is evidence of its origins in the sacred texts of ancient Africa, especially the Husia of Egypt and the Odu Ifa of ancient Yorubaland. Concepts from the Husia, such as the Divine inclusiveness of male and female principles, woman and man as the image of God and the concept of human customarily written with male and female characters in hieroglyphs, indicate the belief that woman and man were equal by nature and divinely and must operate as so (Karenga 324).

http://www.genderacrossborders.com/2011/03/29/feminism-and-womanism/


So sholly, why are you trying to be a white woman, by embracing her ideology, and not an African ideology? grin

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Re: Facebook And Apple To Freeze Eggs For Their Female Employees by Nobody: 8:20am On Oct 22, 2014
SirShymex:


So sholly, why are you trying to be a white woman, by embracing her ideology, and not an African ideology? grin

Feminism is now the same thing as black feminism??

Are you dumb?? Are you even aware that we were trying to differentiate between black feminism and womanism? What re you going on about??

Just the same way traditional gender roles became "unconventional" to you over-night?? Now, feminism is the same as black feminism?

I can't!

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Re: Facebook And Apple To Freeze Eggs For Their Female Employees by Nobody: 8:42am On Oct 22, 2014
BananaBender:

Feminism is now the same thing as black feminism??

Are you dumb?? Are you even aware that we were trying to differentiate between black feminism and womanism? What re you going on about??

Just the same way traditional gender roles became "unconventional" to you over-night?? Now, feminism is the same as black feminism?

I can't!

I already explained the differences between black feminism and womanism.

However, since you asserted that you don't subscribe to neither - and you are just a generic feminist. I decided to go further by explaining the difference between feminism and womanism, and I asked you why you are embracing an European ideology, and not the African one.

That is just pretty much straight-forward to anyone who can read. You just keep letting your emotions get the best of you, because of this mantra about not allowing a guy best you at anything. You need to allow it. And this is basically why I don't like engaging you.

I explained everything in basic English and in clear terms. Just can't understand your dissonance, to be honest.

I'm done with this.

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Re: Facebook And Apple To Freeze Eggs For Their Female Employees by cococandy(f): 9:23am On Oct 22, 2014
Ok I've swallowed it. What next? grin
shizzleStar:
swallow the bitter pill
Re: Facebook And Apple To Freeze Eggs For Their Female Employees by optimistcandyboy(m): 12:54pm On Oct 22, 2014
why?
Re: Facebook And Apple To Freeze Eggs For Their Female Employees by eduxerxes: 12:57pm On Oct 22, 2014
Lol, first time I saw the thread caption, I thought Facebook and Apple want to start frying egg for their employees. At least mk dem use am chop bread or indomie. I no knw say una dey yarn opata 4 hia!!!!
Re: Facebook And Apple To Freeze Eggs For Their Female Employees by GlorifiedTunde(m): 1:22pm On Oct 22, 2014
cheesy cheesy cheesy

Very funny news. Anyways if lady likes let them freeze or even fry their eggs.

I'd rather choose a sane woman, who values reproduction as wonderful way of life and can still keep her head high in her career.

Ladies on this thread be like "men are scared" Scared gini!?

You talk as if the job you will get after freezing your egg is a CEO job. Some will even remain unpromoted for many years after freezing their life. Instead of you all to see and condemn this "packaged exploitation" of the female life, u say its an improvement.

Did our mothers not get to the peak of their career even after raisingany children? Did Deziani or Okonjo-iweala have to freeze their eggs to have a fulfilled career?


Shiooo!

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Re: Facebook And Apple To Freeze Eggs For Their Female Employees by mojeer678: 1:34pm On Oct 22, 2014
[quote author=TV01 post=27166326]

Leave them. The quality of a womans [b][/b]eggs can start to deteriorate as early as 26 and early menopause can happen from 32.[quote]

Really?

The intellectual level of folks on NL is indeed worrisome, OP and commenters alike.

Are women fowls? Laying eggs like poultry?

The correct and accurate term is oocyte.
Re: Facebook And Apple To Freeze Eggs For Their Female Employees by ddjay: 1:41pm On Oct 22, 2014
We need to introduce this system in naija,naija ladies hit like if u support ds move in naija
Re: Facebook And Apple To Freeze Eggs For Their Female Employees by Joshuadon: 1:52pm On Oct 22, 2014
wonder will never end.............. grin grin grin grin

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