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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 5:17am On Oct 31, 2014 |
agaugust: If it makes you happy, but it won't change the story above. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 5:27am On Oct 31, 2014 |
postmann: Like I said, I stopped reading. My time is precious. You're a waste of it. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 5:30am On Oct 31, 2014 |
postmann: Proof that he's lying would be nice. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 5:32am On Oct 31, 2014 |
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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 6:11am On Oct 31, 2014 |
The Starstreak missile SYSTEM, SA operates has been modified its specs are different from the ones the British use. By the way it is just a small component in the GBADS. When the SA army takes delivery of the Umkhonto missile, no army in sub-saharan African army will have an air defence system close to it. It'll able to bring to battle space the: The long range air force radars. GBADS(radars,missiles and guns all linked) Fighter jets. Compact C2 systems. Information bounces back and forth using the link-za. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by postmann: 6:33am On Oct 31, 2014 |
DieVluit:i told you, you need brain surgery. You can't right a single line without displaying your lack of logical calculation.: you stopped reading yet you kept replying and quoting. Synagogue candidate. 1 Like |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 8:43am On Oct 31, 2014 |
DieVluit: Don't bother yourself with trolls, just ignore whatever he says. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 8:54am On Oct 31, 2014 |
ActivateKruger: You're right. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 9:06am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Side-note: Angola is growing, people. Militarily and otherwise. Ambitious Angola takes to world stage Is Angola about to become a global player? Luanda’s recent diplomatic charm offensive means the country is running unopposed for one of three African nonpermanent seats on the United Nations Security Council for 2015 and 2016. Angola is no stranger to projecting power and influence. It has expanded its financial interests well beyond the African continent into Asia, Latin America and Europe. It is intent on developing regional and international influence and is poised to become a key interlocutor on a range of African issues. But this will bring with it potentially heavy responsibilities. Much of the council’s work is focused on Africa. Despite many positive trends on the continent, it faces threats to peace and security: civil wars in the Central African Republic (CAR), Libya, Sudan and South Sudan; insurgencies in Somalia, Nigeria, the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and Mali; the growing threat of Muslim and Christian extremism in several countries; terrorism; piracy; and the spread of Ebola in West Africa. Responses to these crises must be anchored as much in improved governance and political inclusion as in military action. These crises will test Luanda’s limits and experience in post-conflict transformation. Over the past decade, the continent has demonstrated a commitment to tackling its problems, and Angola is intent on stepping up to the plate. But it must provide leadership and financial, logistical and diplomatic responsibility. Angola’s engagement with the world had long been rooted in “statist” imperatives – prioritising national over human security – and characterised by opaque bi-lateral deals where the asymmetries of influence always tilted towards Luanda. This has shifted. Ascension to the Security Council and working with, and commenting on, key international issues will result in greater scrutiny of how well Angola supports international norms and standards. These are largely uncharted waters for the government of President José Eduardo dos Santos. Angola is placing itself at the centre of the peacekeeping and interventionist debate in Africa. It is calling for bolder and more decisive action in managing crises. It will assume its seat at a time when the crises in the CAR and Mali have exposed the challenges faced by regional powers and organisations, and when the division of labour between the UN and African Union, and between regional bodies, is being widely debated. Angola’s ability to bridge the divide could help to define its claim to African leadership. Its shift in foreign policy began in 2010 with a security sector reform mission to Guinea Bissau. It was the first time since the late 1990s that Luanda had deployed troops in a foreign country. It wasn’t to help change the political landscape of neighbouring countries, as was the case in Congo Brazzaville and the DRC, but to assist in building wider reforms to stabilise Guinea Bissau. In 2013, Angola’s Foreign Minister Georges Chicoti supported the call at the AU for strengthening Africa’s rapid response capacity, in terms of both the African Standby Force and the proposed interim structure, the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises. Equipping Africa with a rapid intervention force remains a critical challenge. Luanda has one of the better-trained and equipped armed forces on the continent. After Algeria, it has the largest military budget in Africa, estimated at $6.1-billion in 2013. Angola also has the capacity to airlift troops and materials quickly, which would radically change the readiness of regional initiatives to intervene. As chair of the International Conference on the Great Lakes region, Angola is already involved in decisive action in the eastern DRC. More recently, it deployed 1 800 troops as part of the UN mission in the CAR. But Angola’s battle-hardened troops, trained and equipped by Russia, Cuba and Israel, will need to understand how to operate in a multilateral framework and respond within the limits of an internationally recognised security mandate. This will be a steep learning curve. A seat on the Security Council will give Angola an opportunity to learn how best to work strategically with the five permanent members. A key battleground in the Cold War, Angola knows well the workings of international realpolitik. It will assume its seat at a difficult time for the council, which remains divided on major crises, particularly the Ukraine and Syria. Navigating the divisions will test Luanda’s ability to balance contradictory interests and positions. Its closest ally historically is Russia, and Moscow is a trusted adviser to Luanda. So it will probably side with Russia on key international issues. Beijing is a key economic partner, as seen in its collaboration with the China International Fund. One can also expect Angola to co-ordinate efforts alongside American support to African states in their attempts to combat extremism and terrorism on the continent. It can work with the United States, the United Kingdom and France on a range of fronts that will help to improve its relations with the West. This, in turn, will increase its influence in the international community to promote its own interests. Angola’s recent efforts to lobby on a global scale have shown that Luanda performs best and benefits most when it is committed to securing agreement in diverse regions and bridging contradictory interests and policy agendas. For the next two years Angola will have the international stage on which to project the capacity and power it has consolidated in the last decade. But having the platform and resources is not enough. Angola will have to use its term on the Security Council to help to deliver commitments to peace and security at a time when “African solutions to African problems” are no less problem-free. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:21am On Oct 31, 2014 |
agaugust: [size=20pt]Augustus I just watched the Video and the man clearly says at exactly 2:23-2:25 that it has a maximum range of 31km - so you have been shamelessly telling lies again!!! All members of this forum, veiw the video and listen very closely at 2:23-2:25 All known sources say that it has a maximum range of around 30km!! Yet again I have exposed you as a shameless liar and manipulator[/size] Now come, talk to me about "high altitude" ranges and I will expose you again!! Same way British army source on Starstreak missile says SANDF has the 1km max ceiling foolish missile, worst in Africa. Where on the british army website does it talk about SANDF starstreaks? Where does it say anything about the SANDF? No military source ever said SANDF ordered AHEAD ammo for CRAM, so you don't have it. You mean, apart from this one: http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6656:fact-file-denel-35mm-dual-purpose-gun&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159 And finally, the SANDF is listing ranges achieved with standard ammunition - VLAP is excluded. FH-77B with base-bleed rounds cannot match our standard range with base-bleed .The ranges we achieve with VLAP are amongst the furthest in the world. This is confirmed by every single source on the topic. [size=15pt]Argument status: [ ] Intact [X] Wrecked Lies: [ ] Non-existant [ ] Existent but unexposed [X] Exposed [/size] 1 Like |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:25am On Oct 31, 2014 |
agaugust: Yes please, do it so we can expose you again. Also, just this week in Sudan [size=15pt]SANDF fights its way out of Ambush - defeats attackers in South Sudan!![/size] PRETORIA - Two SA National Defence Force soldiers deployed as part of a UN/African Union peacekeeping force in Sudan have been wounded in an ambush near their base, the SANDF said on Thursday. "The injured soldiers were airlifted by helicopter to the hospital in El Fashir shortly after the ambush. The two members are in a critical but stable condition in the UN hospital," said Captain Jaco Theunissen. He said two other soldiers sustained minor injuries during the ambush. The ambush took place at approximately 12.35pm on Wednesday when a section of 4 SA Infantry Battalion, who had to fetch water from a nearby waterhole in Kutum, came under fire from a suspected rebel group. "Had it not been for the swift reaction, high standard of alertness and vigilance of the SANDF members, it could have been a different story," said the battalion commander, Lt-Col Andries Matlaila.[/b] Matlaila said the training his troops received in South Africa prior to the deployment, coupled with the equipment they used, played a pivotal role in repelling the attack. [b]The rebel group, whose intentions were unknown, were forced to withdraw due to the outstanding retaliation by the South Africans, he said. http://www.enca.com/africa/sandf-soldiers-wounded-sudan-ambush 2 Likes |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:42am On Oct 31, 2014 |
agaugust: So now that we have established that its actual operational maximum range is 30km Here is the final blow: The Indians themsleves say - 30km http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Equipment/Artillery/354-155mm-Bofors-Fh-77b.html And more sources 30km http://web.archive.org/web/20050227021820/http://www.mvs.chalmers.se/~m95perm_2/vapen/kanon/div/15.5cm_haub.html So augubgugug For like the hundredth time... we have shown. [size=20pt]SANDF artillery, using base bleed rounds outranges you by 9 km. And up to 40km by using VLAP ammuntion[/size][size=8pt][/size] |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:50am On Oct 31, 2014 |
agaugust: DENEL UPGRADED THEIR OWN STARSTREEK MISSILES. HENCE, SANDF STARSTREEKS ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT TO OTHERS. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 12:21pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
NIGERIAN TROOPS ON THEIR HEELS AGAIN AS USSUAL, LEAVING SOPHISTICATED WEAPONS IN THE HANDS OF INSURGENTS. http://saharareporters.com/2014/10/30/nigerian-defense-headquarters-orders-fleeing-soldiers-retake-mubi-boko-haram 1 Like
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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 12:31pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Msauza: "The troops will be without their commanders, Lieutenant Colonel A. Aguand a platoon commander, who were both injured yesterday when the pick up van they were fleeing in somersaulted several times."  BREAKING SPEED RECORDS, BOSSSSHHHHH. 1 Like |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 1:04pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Boko haram will surely be put to rout,mubi will soon be retaken.the NA shouldnt be giving the media access to military operations,military information should only be deceminated to the public by the DHQ.personnally,i'm of the opinion that the media shouldnt be allowed to report or witness anything about military operations going on in the NE. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:21pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
DieVluit: Simple, one out of dozens...@Patches said on previous page that Nigeria has no Bofors FH-77B, yet he has been shown on SIPRI arms database many times in the past months, he continues to say no at random. That is deliberate lying....that's the main reason I sometimes leave this thread for many days, why should I waste time debating with an open liar and fraudster ? . |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:34pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
agaugust: - Tucano - Hundreds of dead Olifant MBT's - Missiles on Nigerias new OPV - Hundreds of T-55's - Nigerian Archer Artillery - 42km range of the FH-77B - T-84's - Su-30's - Otomat Mk2 Just some of your lies. With regards to your FH-77B... if you had bothered to post a citation, this all could have been avoided. Hence why I demand citations for substantiation of claims. 1 Like |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 1:36pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
EVarn: Maybe it will be retaken, but the damage to morale and image is already done. This is not any other town, there's a military base there and soldiers fled the base, leaving weapons behind. A military that is inaccessible to the media becomes a repressive military. As long as actual operations are kept secret, there's no harm in reporting on things like Mubi, which are reported on after the fact. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:43pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Patchesagain: [size=14pt] Only a fool will believe your stories here, you first d.estroyed all your comments by deliberately denying the fact that Nigeria has Bofors FH-77B despite all proofs posted here many times in the past months, that kills all your other arguments and proves that you are a serial liar and not worthy of debating with, before I leave this forum again for you to continue polluting, I will say these... In that video, at exactly 2:23 minutes the Indian army officer says it has range 31km with HE shell and at exactly 2:26 minutes it says range is 42km with BB shell, you deliberately cut off the 2:26 minute information to preach your lies and fraud here as usual. SANDF official army website says your G-5 and G-6 artillery guns have BB shell range of 39km maximum, I have posted that here many times, and official army websites that operates all these weapons are superior to any civilian journalist news or website, so I go with SANDF official army source. SANDF has NO SINGLE V-LAP shell, all they have is BB. Same way SAAF has no Mokopa missile despite the fact that South Africa manufactures it, you do not use it, and do not have it. For the Starstreak I, the British army has proved its max ceiling is 1km. There is NO special SANDF Starstreak I made for only you, NO source says they made a special missile for you, or else I would say Nigerian Roland SAM is special and has missile range of 40km. See, I have no time for a fraudulent debate with you denying clearly visible information and falsifying facts, I am leaving the forum for you to waste your time not mine. I am out until sanity returns, the moderators don't even know what to ban, lies and fraud kills this thread more than topic derailment. . [/size] |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:10pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
agaugust: You have fallen into my trap!! Just like I asked you to!! Patchesagain: He said that the Range of 42km has been acheived at HIGH ALTITUDE!! not with Base-Bleed!! [ ] Lies Not exposed [X] Lies Exposed He differentiates a max range of 31km and a max range of 42km at High altitude because high altitude is not where guns operate - unless there is a mountain somehwere in Nigeria you plan on firing your gun off. All sources (now 6-7 of them) clearly state that a max range of around 30km is achievable - but only with special Swedish Heer BB rounds - still 9km short of our max range with base-bleed rounds. The max range of the G6 at HIGH ALTITUDE is 73km. But the standard maximum range is listed as 67km. http://www.worldheritage.org/articles/Denel_G6 http://www.taringa.net/posts/imagenes/15804069/Artilleria-autopropulsada-G6-Rhino.html See, High-Altitude Range =/= Operational Range I baited my trap and waited, now you have fallen into it!! You are so easy to manipulate!! [size=15pt]So, if you wish to claim this range of only 30km, then show us a source that says Nigeria has Heer BB Rounds!! Or else the max range of your FH-77B shall forever be known as only 21km [/size] |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:12pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
agaugust: We have posted many sources that show that the Starstreak has been adapted by the SANDF You have yet to post any sources that say the SANDF Starstreak is the same as the UK Military Starstreak. Post just one, I dare you!! |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:17pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
agaugust: - Tucano - Hundreds of dead Olifant MBT's - Missiles on Nigerias new OPV - Hundreds of T-55's - Nigerian Archer Artillery - 42km range of the FH-77B - T-84's - Su-30's - Otomat Mk2 - 300 Stealth Catamarans - FH-77B L05 52 - Nigerian Cluster Munitions Sorry, I would say this is an instance of the pot calling the kettle black. But I have not yet told a lie. So enjoy your sulk. As we all know, you get thrashed on this thread and claim that all these citations and facts are "lies" and run away
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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:28pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Patchesagain: You only trap yourself not me. This same topic was discussed few months back and I am tired of repitition. Indian officer said 31km range with ordinary HE, so what is the Base Bleed range? Always longer anywhere anytime. At altitude means target is on a mountain you can see from 42km away so you can target it. Do you think the artillery gun itself climbs to mountain top? Show me where an army today has towed a Howitzer up to mountain top altitude using the wings of an angel. Like I said, I am out, tired of repeating old arguments and tired of your repitition of same old lies, like you always say Nigeria has no Bofors FH-77B guns, you will soon dispute it again next month despite SIPRI proof that we have it... Bye, have fun with yourself . |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:57pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
agaugust: Nope. He quite clearly said "31km maximum range, or a maximum range of 42km at high altitude areas" Its as simple as that. Standard operational maximum range with base-bleed is around 30km. All known sources confirm this. I have 7-8 sources which confirm this 100%. I also have your own source which confirms this. Conclusion: The FH-77B with Base-Bleed has a maximum range of 30-31km, or a max range with standard shells of 21km. End of Story |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:58pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
agaugust: [size=20pt]This coming from the guy who told us Nigeria has the FH77B L05 52[/size] |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:59pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
agaugust:
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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:03pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
To be honest i am laughing my ass off at the moment... |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 3:03pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
agaugust: If information is fraudulent, P.R.O.V.E. that it is fraudulent. No point crying about it and sulking just because you don't have the tools needed to make your point. This is not a moderator issue. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 3:11pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
DieVluit:hmm...perhaps,but i dont think morale is a problem for the NA,and point of correction,the NA's image is not damaged,if the NA has a damaged image,then i can only imagine what the image of the SANDF is like.the media is causing more harm than good with their destructive reports,especially the western media that continually uses these false news to distract people from obama and camerons' foolishness. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 3:52pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
EVarn: You speak as if the Nigerian media is lying, which is not true. Why would all or most media houses lie? The image is definitely battered, with multiple news of soldiers fleeing, human right abuses, mutiny in the barracks etc. South Africa media reports EVERYTHING, so you don't really have to imagine. Everything is out in the open and we South Africans have no issue with that. We welcome it. As for morale, Nigerian soldiers themselves have complained of low morale, so it is a problem. http://www.punchng.com/news/boko-haram-soldiers-complain-of-poor-welfare-motivation/ |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 4:01pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
If I'm not mistaken, this is the dozenth time the Nigerian Army runs away from Boko Haram, but a somersaulting pickup while fleeing is the world's first lol lol lol.... This is straight out of a Leon Schuster's movie |
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