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Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 2:01pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
thoth: *sigh* Circles and zig-zags. We were talking about the transportation of millions of Africans to the New World and how that was effected - by European raiders or by African raiders who were trading partners with the Europeans. All of a sudden it is now about the exploitation of African labour within an European colonial structure (which I agree was itself a form of enslavement). The slave traffic to Europe and the New World was what I meant when I said the major European powers outlawed slavery. If you disagree that the Atlantic slave trade was abolished by Britain and other former key players in the trade, then probably its time I left this thread because apparently I'm not dealing with realists here. Circles and zig-zags. This is not how to hold a discussion. Like I said, you are conflicting issues. I didn't think the OP opened this thread to talk about the exploitation of Africans in Africa, but their transportation across the Atlantic. His owns words are: "Africans never traded slaves all slaves were kidnapped by the white man at gunpoint...Our people who are descendants of those stolen from Africa, must stop believing they were sold." I should probably only observe this thread until someone who is able to have a clear-headed conversation and stay on topic comes along. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 2:18pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
Radoillo:Am off your way. OP, reference to Africa(ns) is misleading. Its a wide net. All races live here. And there is little love lost between tribes and races. This was the only form of political organisation. Stories about Chiefs selling their people are ridiculous. Villages, were made of relatives. And those traditional leaders ruled by concesus. 1 Like |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by thoth: 2:19pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
I never believed that Africans never took part in slavery, and that argument was not the same with the original argument which the OP presented, what i was trying to say was that slavery does not exist before the Europeans which is what i understood the OP was trying to say and that slavery was created and propagated by Europeans, that's why he was asking for writings which precedes the Europeans. Just like the west through conscious efforts of arming and training radicals which could otherwise would have been curtailed by their respective countries have created terrorism in the middle east. tomorrow someone who is not well informed will offhandedly ascribe terrorism to Arabs. i know terrorism and slavery are not the same but they have a lot in common if consider their origins. 1 Like |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 2:29pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
GenBuhari:Very mischevous people. They came as evangelistic spies. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 2:37pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
thoth:I second the bit about undehand dealings to maintain their self given "world leadership" status. They call it the "world order". Five at the top, followed by a few and carried by the rest |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by macof(m): 5:02pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
GenBuhari: Then by ur logic sub Saharan Africa has no history because any historical material u find predating white man is oral So if u have a problem with written history, which began say 20th century by blacks on their ethnic groups and also have a problem with oral history from cults like Ifa and Ogboni then nothing can satisfy u nt even archaeological findings cus you would say it was planted recently You have hatred for caucasians, hatred is good but u letting it take away ur sense of reason and human sanity which is very bad You.only making a fool of the black race, funny you might be a white shiit lickee trying to embarrass black people indirectly cus ur comments are outright insults to the blacks since you ur implied we have no history 2 Likes |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by macof(m): 5:17pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
thoth: So you don't deny slavery in Africa u jst oppose the European kind of slavery? |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by thoth: 6:44pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
macof: You should read my earlier posts to understand my stand, i think the OP made a mistake by not defining slavery in the context which his arguments were presented, but if we are to cull our definition entirely from the European assault on continental Africa and therefore our conclusions formed thereof then i can say that slavery does not exist before the advent of Europeans. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by macof(m): 6:59pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
thoth:Still u nt clear. Did slavery exist in Africa before Europeans came or not? That's wat I ask ur opinion on nt all this long yarns u posting |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by thoth: 7:09pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
macof: you know i can't really help if you don't understand that. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by PAPAAFRICA: 7:58pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
GenBuhari:yes. 1 Like |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by FemoLondon: 9:48pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
GenBuhari:the most appropriate section should have been the forum's recycle bin https://www.nairaland.com/recycle-bin 2 Likes |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 12:56am On Nov 12, 2014 |
Nobody has answered these pertinent questions, that would go a long way to supporting European claims that Africans sold themselves to Europeans as slaves: Which Kings did they purchase slaves from, the kings names and dates? Where are the records of the transactions, numbers of slaves, dates of sales, amount paid? Where is the evidence of the wealth that these African Kings accrued from selling slaves? None of these details as far as I am aware have ever been supplied by the European historians that claimed whe sold ourselves to them as slaves. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 6:11am On Nov 12, 2014 |
There are two East African tribes reknown for their prowess in long distance trade in those days, the Kamba of Kenya and the Ngoni of Tanzania. They travelled deep into central Africa for various wares - Ivory, gold, e.t.c. and traded them with the coastal tribes, and with the coastal Arabs who had settled on the East coast. Some were hired as porters by Arabs who exploited their knowledge of the terrain to venture deeper inland, first as traders and thereafter, to capture slaves. After the invention of the gun, the villagers who were not carried away were dead or too injured. Slave raiding in the Eastern side of the continent was purely an Arabic affair. There is a historical record by a Brit of one such raids, where a handful of Arabs lay in wait for local traders on a market day. Once it was populated, they opened gun fire indiscriminately, killing all(most of them women) but a handfull that they bound for the slave market. Captives were sold to Portugeese traders who took them on to the New World. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 7:02am On Nov 12, 2014 |
A look into the word of a slave... http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/slavery/source-1/ Once bought, their names were changed. Thats why we cant know their origins. All we need to place them in their bloodline is their African name. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 7:03am On Nov 12, 2014 |
A look into the world of a slave... http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/slavery/source-1/ Once bought, their names were changed. Thats why we cant know their origins. All we need to place them in their bloodline is their African name. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Sheenor: 8:42am On Nov 12, 2014 |
Okay 1 Like |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by mikolo80: 12:12pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
which wan be all this grammar una de talk here,are our leaders not selling us into slaavery today,instead of fashioning strategies for gettin out of this predicament you're here insulting urselves going round in cicles while they are rewriting more of 'our' history. sheesh what a bunch of learners |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by thoth: 12:27pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
muafrika: Do you know that the historical awareness of Nigerians are soo low that more than 98% of them has never ventured to read the National archives ,even for once, and more than 85% does not know what methods the colonists used in capturing and dominating their respective nations ? 1 Like |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 1:58pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
thoth:Very sad. Subjects like history should be compulsory, or else we'll find ourselves in the same problems as our forefathers. There is alot of mischief out there against Africa and her people. Our people did not know until it was too late. Jomo Kenyatta wrote about the colonial takeover in one of his books; "We closed our eyes to pray(with the missionaries) and when we opened them, the land was gone." We better pray with our eyes open this time round with Africom, China and Economic Partnership Agreements(EPAs) suspiciously hovering over our heads. Those people came in the name of trade as they spied out the land. 2 Likes |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 2:20pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
The bolded again shows the source of the information you presented. African history that was written by the white man can not be used to justify accepting the white man's version of African history. Is it difficult to understand the concept? We should not accept any African involvement in the shipment of Africans unless there is independently verifiable evidence that Africans were keeping or trading slaves prior to the arrival of the first white man. Until we see with our own koroko eyes, the manuscripts where our ancestors recorded their involvement in enslaving and selling themselves to Europeans we would be doing their honour a great disservice to start accepting a version of history written by the same people who committed genocide against us, without learning our ancestors version of history. Otherwise what we are doing is accepting the version of the criminal in a criminal case. If police catches an armed robber with belongings of the victim whom he had murdered, 99% of the time the suspect would deny the murder and would claim that the victim had sold him the belongings that he was caught with. This is exactly the same thing that is happening with the white man unable to explain why he had stolen Africans from their land, so being the criminal that has been caught red-handed, the white man is claiming that Africans sold him their people to be used as slaves. muafrika: |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 2:43pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
We have to do both. We need to device strategies for moving forward into the future and at the same time, we need to know our history so as to not repeat our mistakes. mikolo80: |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 2:45pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
You do understand we only started writting the other day. Arabs had their own records though, and did not shy away from recording their exploits.@GenBuhari |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 2:57pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
Has Africa's own ancient historical manuscript confirmed that Arabs invaded Africa? Or was it because the white man said they had in their history books? Does the Arab's own ancient historical documents confirm this? We need to start getting into the mindset of questioning anything that has not been confirmed by our ancestors in their historical records. The history that we have allowed others to write for us without any way of confirming its validity is one of shame and dishonour. Shame and dishonour is hard to accept when it is true, but we should only accept it if it confirmed to be 100% true and you cannot do that without concrete evidence. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 3:03pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
White man told you that we only started writing right? What research have you done to establish that Africans were not writing before the white man came? There is evidence that Africans had been writing as early as 800 AD. Do you have any evidence of Arab ancient writing that confirms their invasion and enslavement of Africa? muafrika: |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 3:14pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
GenBuhari:Their presence confirms. In my country, we started recording our history just over half a century ago. Omani Arabs had a sultanate along the East Coast after the coastal cities fell. Portugeese did too in the 1450s. This is confirmed by oral history And archeology. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 3:21pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
That confirms nothing. You are jumping to conclusions there. What is your country? Oral history is unreliable you need to search for written manuscripts muafrika: |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 3:56pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
GenBuhari:Which Africans? In between migrating and conquering new lands, my people and most other Africans had no time for writting classes. Even in Europe, writting was a preserve of the nobility untill the Industrial revolution when the same nobility decided increase their supply and choice of labour. They created labour production factories that we now call school and take pride blindly in. So, Ancient Africans, writting for what purpose? Yemen still has African slaves. Just like Morroco, Sudan, and India. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 4:42pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
GenBuhari:My grandparents and great grand parents and their entire age group could not put down their names in any form of writting. Not even hierogliphs. My local King was made to put a silly stroke of ink on a useless piece of paper, next thing the Kingdom was evicted to a small reserve, and were paying rent. But our entire history is written in our minds. The quran appraises Arabs as a superior race that should not be enslaved while giving them a right to own. As for history written by Non Africans; http://www.zanzibar-travel-guide.com/bradt_guide.asp?bradt=1813 http://www.angelfire.com/ak/tanzania/ Whats Your version..? |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 7:38pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
BTW first and foremost, you have not told me what country you are from. I reiterate we cannot rely on oral history as it is not reliable. Written documents created by Africans should be found and referred to. If we cannot find our written history we should leave that part of our history blank or write in what information we could muster together by ourselves independent of foreign historians. There is evidence that Africa had it own writing system as several centuries before the advent of the Caucasians. I am guessing that just like you say is the case for Europe, writing was probably the preserve of the African elite. You say Yemen, Morrocco, Sudan and India has African slaves; but how does that prove whether Arabs enslaved Africa before the Europeans or even whether Africans enslaved and sold themselves toEuropeans. muafrika: |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 12:02am On Nov 13, 2014 |
macof: Ever heard of the Timbuktu manuscripts? It comprises 700,000 manuscripts written by black Africans from as early as the 11th century. Other manuscripts exist on the continent. Kindly retract your ignorant comment. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 1:36am On Nov 13, 2014 |
Because your grandparents, their peers and your town's King couldn't write does not mean that there wasn't an elite group of Africans who could write and keep records Any history written for Africa by non-Africans is not valid without concrete proof. muafrika: |
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