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So my giving is nobody's business, yet y'all have your knickers in a suicidal twist over our tithe giving. That's weird.

Gombs:


Funny.



Huh?
Capital punishment, like tithing, originated long before the Law, but the Law systematized its practice (Gen 9:6). Why wasn't it superseded. Or, are you saying capital punishment is not for Christians too? Why do you and WinsomeX make stamping statements without proper studying?




Paul did appeal to the Law of Moses for principles of financial giving, which shows the remaining validity of the principles pertaining to giving (I Cor 9:8-9; II Cor 9:9; I Tim 5:18). Or are you saying Paul was mistaken to borrow Moses' law?

You guys keep saying "But the New Testament does not require a tithe" "grace did this and that, the whole of the law was abolished" etc... yet, the New Testament does not mention corporal punishment, yet, you ok it today, yet you use the O.T. principle to train your children (Pr 13:24; 19:18; 22:15; 23:13-14; 29:15). The NT does not mention saving money, but you do so from Solomon (Pr 6:8; 30:25). It does not mention many godly rules or principles, which were conspicuously lifted from the O.T, yet you are here saying the NT supersedes anything before it. Please study na!



See who said the NT supersedes the OT, yet a prominent NT fellow used a good chunk of it in teaching and doctrines, or are you more smarter or your Holy Spirit is the genuine type?

Oh dear Lord Jesus!

vooks:
Midas is one book Oyaks would never stock in his bookshop nor reference it for a second. You have Firstfruits service and he says that's unscriptural.

A question I posed to mbaemeka. Is there any verse in the good book where Freewill offerings (Lev 22:23) are condemned? What then stops you from presenting your priest Oyaks with a live animal for burning? Imagine Sinach track I-Know-Who-I-Am playing as the smoke of burning flesh rises up to heaven

Gombs:


You know Midas touch would shatter your NL-life long crusade, no wonder you went for the jugular and called Hagin a failure. Tithing is one of the cardinal point of funding the work of the ministry, Until you and your brigade find a verse in the good book where tithing is condemned, I see no basis to continue debating it.

Gombs:


If Pastor Chris hhas a problem with Hagin, he'd not mention him in his messages. What If I give my free will offering is cash, imagine me dancing to the altar with a cheque and sinach's song playing, as the savour of my offering (offer 7) rises up to heaven?

vooks:

Capital punishment is a legal/governance issue not individual Christian's job. Or do you lynch witches and adulterers ?

Paul appealed to two examples from Torah; the ox feeding while threshing and Levites/priests eating while serving. The PRINCIPLE in BOTH is not tithing but reward for services rendered. He was no more advocating ploughing using animals than he was tithing. Note the Levites/priests received much more than tithes, they received ALL the offerings

What was superseded was the Law. You are no longer under it marvelous as it is. What do you think was nailed to the cross in Col 2:14?

vooks:
They had silver back during Moses. Give the cheque and then have him slaughter the goat and burn it up. Freewill offerings were not gifts to priests, they were consumed completely. You may light up the wand of cash

Correction: Freewill offerings were to be eaten not later than the next day- refer Lev 7:16

Does he stock Midas in his bookshops? Or has ever heard about it? Book is over 12 years

vooks:
1. Once again, the promise is nowhere in the NT exhortations to giving. Wouldn't it have made much sense teaching this 'hidden' blessing of giving to the early church in the epistles? The reason it is nowhere is simply because there was no tithing in the NT. The Malachi promise can't be done away any more than death penalty on witchcraft or adultery can

2. Cornelius gave alms not tithes. You are the one not just arguing from silence but conjuring non existent details from silence. If he went as much as tithing, he would have been a proselyte and Peter would not have hesitated going into his house. Proselytes like Nicolaus were receiving Holy Spirit long BEFORE Cornelius. Urinating? If such was ever a doctrine with far reaching blessings or consequences such as tithing, trust Holy Spirit to have dedicated an entire book to the same

Paul never authored Hebrews. The authorship is largely unknown but definitely non-Pauline. I favor Barnabas. Some guy bet Aquila and Priscila Nowhere does the author TEACH tithing, the same is mentioned in passing. It beats me that such a crucial doctrine with marvelous benefits that determine whether God fights Satan for you or not, is NEVER taught nowhere. Is it because the early church was well versed with the same that there was no need of teaching? But how could they yet Paul went out of his way to teach them giving? The church had Jews who would have known about tithing twice in a year and once every 3 years but what about the Gentiles? Among the numerous spiritual warfare verses, I would most certainly expect this 'secret'

Can you also prove that Freewill offering of animals and grains was annulled in the NT? Is there anything wrong with presenting Oyaks with a goat as Freewill offering (Lev 22:23)? And I mean for BURNING not roasting

Gombs:


Oga, he said everything before Moses law were superceded by the law (how crappy the thought is), now capital punishment, is before the law, hence not swept away with the law by the new covenant. Tell trustman to explain how he concluded that the law superceded everything before it.

As for the colored, nget a dictionary and educate yourself on what capital punishment is, and see whether it matches the crime stated above in contrast to what we have in Genesis.



Ehen, shey Paul used the OT to teach and indoctrinate the churches, abi?
Oga, ask Trustman to explain how he then concluded the NT supercedes ANYTHING before it.



Why do you use the O.T. principle to train your children (Pr 13:24; 19:18; 22:15; 23:13-14; 29:15). The NT does not mention saving money, but you do so from Solomon (Pr 6:8; 30:25). It does not mention many godly rules or principles, which were conspicuously lifted from the O.T, yet you are here saying the NT supersedes anything before it. Please study na!

There are principles in the OT very very relevant today, like it or not

Gombs:


Is like asking T.D Jakes whether he stocks his bookshops with Pastor Chris' materials.

mbaemeka:
First of all, it might interest some of you to know that Reverend Chris didn't always believe in tithing. As the first son in the line of many pastors across generations he gave tithes in obedience to the teachings he received in AG but when he became a Pastor himself in the late 70s and early 80s he taught members of his then church on the out-datedness of tithing. He believed it had been done away with by the ushering in of the NT and he taught so to all and sundry. He also taught on the fear factor that he was sold on while in AG into tithing. The Pastors always made references to curses for not doing so and he responded to such fear. Subsequently, as he began to study further by the instructions of the Holy Spirit he saw the importance and scriptural basis behind tithing and he has taught so ever since to tremendous results.

Now I said all that to say this: it is not impossible that at the earliest stages of his teaching on these things maybe he still infused a part of the fear factor that he got from his time in AG. I am saying this because the link referred to audios and tapes which means this had to be a long time ago. I can say without flinching that I have never heard him relate non-tithers to any curse neither have I seen him teach such in the last 15 years. So it is very possible that the folks who decided to re teach the issues on Facebook used old tapes or maybe they just infused their own ideas into it.

But just like he said one who doesn't tithe is setting up the persons self for financial strangulation and that is not a curse. That is just explaining the consequences of someone's actions or inactions to them. For example, when God told Adam that if he ate from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil he will surely die. God wasn't placing a curse on Adam. He was simply showing him the consequences of his disobedience. In the real sense what God did to Adam was a form of tithes because he allowed him to eat from every other Tree but he instructed him to leave that Tree untouched and Adam disobliged and faced the consequences.

It is the same way God told the Israelites to use the blood of a lamb to mark the doorposts and lintels so that the destroyer will passover them. Sure, the children of Israel were God's people and he was trying to protect them. But if anyone of them had mistakenly forgotten to mark his doorposts with the blood of the lamb, he would have lost his first child and God would not have been to blame as he had already told them what to do to negate the effects of the destroyer. God placed no curse on anyone of them.

If I say to my child make sure you look closely before crossing the road or else you would be knock down by a vehicle I am only giving instructions with the adjoining consequences of flouting such instructions. I am not placing a curse on my child. We all have agreed from the scriptures that we live in a fallen world that is being run by the devil whose sole aim is to kill, steal and DESTROY. Now Satan wants to destroy the whole of mankind but even more so us christians because we have opted to follow the very way that he wants nobody to follow. This destroyer is similar to the one who went about the camp slaying the firstborn of the Egyptians. Remember, he didn't go there to destroy just them, he wanted to destroy all but the blood was the security policy for the initiated. That is the same way tithes is a financial security policy for us christians. When we give it, we give God the leeway to protect our finances for us. Those who do not give it are only saying they can manage their finances themselves and they are allowed that. The problem is when that destroyer comes to their doorposts, God will not be able to rebuke him on their behalf and the reason is simple: because they told him they can do it on their own. So I am not amiss if I say such a person is setting up himself for financial strangulation and I am not placing a curse on him.

As per the firstfruits, I will have to do more investigations to be certain Rev Chris said "God will take it from you it you do not give". I have never heard him say so. My understanding of the principle of firstfruits is on this thread and it is all in relation to my putting God first. I have never seen it as something I had to do nullify any curse of any sort as what anyone calls firstfruits can be subjective even from the bible. I have a Pastor friend who gave his first year (not month but year) salary as his firstfruits. I never did so and I have never heard him teach so as a doctrine of any sort. I actually cringed to see that statement on that Facebook post and I will do well to investigate it thoroughly to be certain that those words were used. I however strongly believe that it is not the case.

Sorry for my epistle. I might make corrections if need be.

Back to hibernating.

Candour:


You believe non payment of tithe is a loophole that enables devourers enter your affairs, I won't begrudge you your right to hold to your belief. Nothing in the entire New covenant hints at any thing like that as a consequence of not remitting 10% of your income to a 'church'. Grace doesn't promise you'll ever become sinless. Tithe preachers however promise that the tithe is a guarantee into prosperity and non payment is a guarantee into poverty. Thank God they're totally wrong.

@the bolded. There are actually more poverty stricken tithers in Christiandom than non tithers. The difference gets bigger still if you ignore the fantasy land dwellers claiming the rich status by 'faith'




You see, if you and I decide to go on a walk through scriptures, you'll find that the tithe you claim you practice today is a sham caricature of every tithe injunction or practice in the bible.





God struck them down because they lied. They would have had nothing evil happen to them if they didn't give. There was no compulsion and Peter clearly made us realise this in that scripture. Give as you're able. No stipulated percentages.




God also gave conditions for being a Jew (circumcision) and also a condition for child dedication (turtle doves etc) and also a condition for a woman observing menses to be accepted into the sanctuary but today I'm sure you won't claim those conditions apply to you. The key is to know what pertains to you and what doesn't. Tithing has nothing to do with Christianity.





Tithing stops no devourer for a christian except maybe the G.O who founded the tithe collecting church and of course has right of first refusal to the funds. The grace of God is what prevents calamities for Christians.

vooks:

Galatians 3:10 tells you you are CURSED if you don't keep the Law. A non-tither was breaking the Law so they were already cursed

Yes I have. Deuteronomy 10:16,30:6,Jer 4:4. God required both physical and spiritual/inward/heart circumcision out of Physical Israel. Why don't you do BOTH yet you pretend to be spiritual Israel, following your argument?

Read your Bible Sir. Start with Leviticus. I repeat,Levitical Laws were ALL the Laws pertaining to Levi the priesthood tribe

vooks:
I weep for you the the same way I weep for those who offer sacrifices under sacred trees in the name of Jesus...white garments are they?

vooks:
The point is for ANYTHING you find in Genesis expounded in the Law,you follow the Law. For instance;

1. SACRIFICES
In Genesis, individuals offer sacrifices but in the Laws it is the priests that offer them

2. TITHING
You can't possibly purport to tithe according to Abraham or Jacob at the expense of the elaborate regime you find in the Laws.

3. CIRCUMCISION
Same case with circumcision. [size=20pt]Remember, Genesis is part of the Law.[/size] There is nothing like Abrahamic vs Moses circumcision. When the Jerusalem council met in Acts 15, it was the Abraham circumcision codified in the Laws they had in mind

That's why am horrified by the tithing brigade when they claim that they are not tithing 'after the Law' but 'by Faith' after Abraham

Capital punishment is death sentence. What's your problem sir?

There are principles in the OT that we can use today but we can't add to what was already in use by the apostles. Tithing supported priests and the question is what is the principle behind tithing? Is it tithing or something else?

Gombs:


Very weird

mbaemeka:
It depends on what we want to hold unto as NT or OT. I am sure grace won't excuse any christian that refuses to honor his/her parents that is, even if Paul didn't mention it to the Ephesians. And yes sir, grace does promise that we can live above sin.

Also there are not more 'poor' tithers than antitithers. If that were the case what will the poor tithers be defending? Many times, people's convictions of the word is dependent on how much of it they have put to test and proved true. The taste of the Pudding is in the eating they say.

I know that Ananias and his wife told lies. But it was their money to give and the judgment was instant inspite of grace. The point being that God still has a prescribed way for doing things and we are expected to follow them. A man who is selfish may lack even if he is hardworking same way an intelligent christian may fail exams if he does not study. Dilligence is also something God expects of us regardless of Grace.

Besides, that Malachi 3 referred to Tithes and offerings. So are the offerings non-christian too?

Gombs:


Funny.



Huh?
Capital punishment, like tithing, originated long before the Law, but the Law systematized its practice (Gen 9:6). Why wasn't it superseded. Or, are you saying capital punishment is not for Christians too? Why do you and WinsomeX make stamping statements without proper studying?




Paul did appeal to the Law of Moses for principles of financial giving, which shows the remaining validity of the principles pertaining to giving (I Cor 9:8-9; II Cor 9:9; I Tim 5:18). Or are you saying Paul was mistaken to borrow Moses' law?

You guys keep saying "But the New Testament does not require a tithe" "grace did this and that, the whole of the law was abolished" etc... yet, the New Testament does not mention corporal punishment, yet, you ok it today, yet you use the O.T. principle to train your children (Pr 13:24; 19:18; 22:15; 23:13-14; 29:15). The NT does not mention saving money, but you do so from Solomon (Pr 6:8; 30:25). It does not mention many godly rules or principles, which were conspicuously lifted from the O.T, yet you are here saying the NT supersedes anything before it. Please study na!



See who said the NT supersedes the OT, yet a prominent NT fellow used a good chunk of it in teaching and doctrines, or are you more smarter or your Holy Spirit is the genuine type?

Oh dear Lord Jesus!

Candour:

Actually, in the old testament, a child who doesn't honour his parents and was reported to the religious leaders was stoned to death.
Show me a scripture that promises we will be sinless this side of eternity and I'll drop this point. Maybe it escaped me somehow.
I hope you saw how Jeff kept up a ruse of a 'healing' for months? Maybe he'd have eventually died of same if not for Sir John's expose. Tithers really want to believe tithing works and coupled with the teaching not to acknowledge anything negative, who will like to fall his/her own hand? So they just keep on suffering and smiling. Even your church has poverty stricken folks in abundance all struggling to 'live it up'. We know them bro.
Deuteronomy 14:28-29 KJV
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: [29] And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.
How about this God prescribed way of treating ALL the tithes of the 3rd year? How faithful are you to it? Or you don't like the blessing attached at the end?
I would hazard a guess that the offerings being talked about there are the peace offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, etc which of course you will not be caught dead doing. So no. Those offerings there are not Christian at all. Go to Paul to see what and why Christians give.

mbaemeka:
Romans 6:14 KJV

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

mbaemeka:


Shay that verse called it Tithes? Then it doesn't matter if it is first or 3rd year. There are blessings attached to tithing. That point is settled. And the offerings there referred to offerings. The offerings needed for meat to be in God's house. So that offering could very well be money in today's Parlance and that kind of offering isn't near being done away with.

Cheers.

mbaemeka:
Romans 6:14 KJV

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

That verse says exactly that about living above sin because of grace.

I thought I told you before that when we make reference to the OT it is in relation to the blessings there because the blessings are still intact- all of them.

As per Jeff and his ruse (if at all it was ever a ruse and not an outright lie) he is living proof that there are adulterations to every good thing. Thank God the words that are being discussed are clear words from the bible. The only debate would be if those words are out-dated and nobody can use a single verse of scripture to assert so. Poverty stricken fellows Is all a matter of time. The guy who was a poverty stricken driver years back today is a prosperity stricken Billionaire. So those 'poverty stricken guys' will become mighty men years later and their testimony will help strengthen the newly recruited 'poverty stricken folks'. What is sauce for Mrs Goose. . .

Shay that verse called it Tithes? Then it doesn't matter if it is first or 3rd year. There are blessings attached to tithing. That point is settled. And the offerings there referred to offerings. The offerings needed for meat to be in God's house. So that offering could very well be money in today's Parlance and that kind of offering isn't near being done away with.

Cheers.

Candour:


We'll need Jo to confirm whether it was a case of belief gone wrong or an outright lie from the start

That they're clear words from the bible doesn't make them a rule for Christians. There are many clear words in the bible that Christians do not go near. If you pick tithing for yourself, good for you. Same with the person that decides to practice feast of tabernacles. They however aren't rules for Christians otherwise the apostles would have told us.




You mentioned that God has a prescribed way of doing things and I showed you one example. He didnt just say tithe. He said lay it up for the Levite, strangers, orphans and widows. To you it doesnt matter. I can assure you it matters to God. Do you think a Jew who refuses to carry it out the way God said it there would still be blessed? What if I decide to take the tithe to needy brethren instead of the church? After all Christ even said the least of the brethren represented him? Would the blessing in Malachi still follow?

I trust you know the temple of Malachi is now you and I? I am God's temple and you're God's temple. So why can't I as God's building and temple chop the tithe? After all Deut 14:22-26 commands Israel to?

Gombs:


What about the work of ministry? What about church staff salaries? What about church projects? What about.. who foots the bill? How should the church grow? Remember the words of Havin in this book?

Gombs:


What about the work of ministry? What about church staff salaries? What about church projects? What about.. who foots the bill? How should the church take the gospel form say Lagos to Sri Lanka?

Remember the words of Havin in this book?

shdemidemi:


Compromise the Word since there are bills to be met, right?

What would you have done if you were part of the early church who were subjected to persecution and trials like serious body harm, mutilation and death as though they were malefactors; if for common bills you will bend God's word?

Candour:


What happens to telling folks what the church needs and letting them contribute generously to it? How do you do your offer 7? What is wrong in coming together as a church and deciding together to contribute a percentage of our income to run legitimate programmes of the church? Is that not how the new testament church lived?

I attend bible study sometimes in church of Christ (not COCIN o) and they've been operating on that principle for over 200years and are spread all over the world.

Is there any need so great to justify criminally twisting scriptures and threatening children of God with it to coax money out of them? Do we doubt God can do his thing without us deceitfully trying to 'help' him?

Gombs:

Heheheheheh, bobo... I see how far your church has gone, and the impact they make. Yeah, nareow is the way, and only a few find it... noted buddy.
Sir, God knows why tithing is instituted today, and it is so that they'd have meat in His house... if He was against it, are you saying he turned a blind eye to it all these years? He must be waiting for the last day to arrest those Pastors who allowed it in their churches. #Classic
How can you explain how a Narion like the BLW is richer than alot of countries, and they don’t ask any church or foundation for funds, and they go around the world whenever they like, howecer they like, spreading the gospel of Christ? Monies bro...Prayer is the bedrock...the vehicle is the monies...lots of it. For example, now, there are1, 162 CE cchurches in India. Aside prayers, we sent tons of Bibles there, tons of ROR, tons of tracts all in different formats. There are 2 Ce Churches in Japan, there is the underground Ce Church in China, and I think 16 in South Korea.
How on earth did you think these happened? Yeah baby! Tithing, God opened those windows of heaven, and He sure poured out those blessings.
They just sang the BLW anthem, and boy, I scremed my lungs out with "Believers Love World, building a happier world with love"
Bobo, if you no wan tithe, leave those who want to, whether you like it or not, tithing will not stop. You cannot block the sun with a finger. I'm out.
Partners' conference just entered a higher tempo. Pastor Chris don show stage...bye!
Bonus: Rhapsody of Realities is in 550 languages now, the only book with the most translation in the world second only to the Bible, the world's most read book, second only to the bible, and 105million copies were distributed this year
Abeg, clap for the Holy Spirit, it was not by power or might... yes, I glory in it... in WinsomeX's words "vain glory"

https://www.nairaland.com/393253/rhapsody-realities-daily-devotional/9#8071513

The Giving That Stands You Out – Thursday April 7, 2011 – Pastor Chris

It’s impossible for a Christian who only gives his tithes and offerings to feel like an accomplished giver, but the Bible lets us know these aren’t enough. Your tithes for example belong to God, and He expects you to give them to Him anyway. The man who does otherwise is a robber: “Will a man rob God: Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings” (Malachi 3:8 ).

God is not a man (Numbers 23:19); He’s God. So you MUST give Him your tithes and your offerings, as God. Actually, you pay your tithe; you don’t give it, as you would your free-will offering. So your tithe is not a gift, because you don’t pay a gift. Your offering on the other hand isnt just a donation made to the Church, but a sacrifice offered to a divine being. God actually demanded for it in Exodus 23:15: “…None shall appear before Me empty-handed” (AMP).

WHY WE GIVE OUR FIRST FRUITS? (THE BENEFITS)
We are commanded to give it [Prov 3: 9-10, Ex 22: 29] By giving your first fruit, you secure and sanctify the rest of your fruits ( Rom 11: 16) We give our first fruits that the blessing of God may rest upon us ( Eze 44:30) By giving it, you demonstrate your appreciation for God and the things He has done in your life (Deut 26:10 – 11) It releases the anointing upon your life. The bible says thy presses shall burst out with new wine. New wine symbolizes the anointing ( Prov 3:9) God is delighted in our obedience to His word; for it is better to obey than to sacrifice [I Sam 15: 22] If you don’t give your first fruit, God will go after it because it belongs to Him ( Ex 4: 22 – 23) Anyone who holds back his First Fruit exposes himself to evil. As God said to Israel. [Jeremiah 2: 3]....

WAYS OF GIVING FIRST FRUITS
1. New Job: First salary package
2. New Year: First salary or first income ( for those who don’t earn a salary)
3. Old Job (Promotions) – Increase i.e. the difference between the old and new salary. (If your heart condemns you go ahead and give all. He is looking for something to multiply back to you).


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In Malachi 3:8-11, God said all His children who are robbing Him in tithes and offerings have violated His covenant, and therefore are under a divine curse. However, He says if they will restitute their ways, He will personally rebuke the devourer for their sakes and open the windows of Heaven to them and give them a blessing they will be unable to contain. There are two type of devourers – the ones sent by the devil (John 10:10) and the ones sent by God. To deal with the devourers sent by the devil, simply resist him and he will flee from you as long as you are in right standing before God. [b]But to deal with the devourers sent by God, it is through restitution. You will have to cry to God for forgiveness and thereafter undo what made Him to send the devourers in the first place. Do you owe God in tithes, offerings, thanksgiving or vows? Ask for forgiveness and go ahead and pay what you owe. If it is in tithes, also add 20% as interest being the penalty [/b]for eating your tithes (Leviticus 27:31).

https://www.nairaland.com/1458058/open-heavens-daily-devotional-sunday

Quoting Malachi, Robertson responded, “Your husband has all these medical problems because the ‘devourer’ has not been rebuked. You need to rebuke him. You give your tithes faithfully and God said, ‘I will rebuke the devourer,’ the person that is eating up your money and eating up your health. So you want to be healthy? That’s a promise in the Word.”

https://www.nairaland.com/1541026/pat-robertson-tells-elderly-woman

mbaemeka:
1. This is jumping from pillar to post. I showed you a verse that Paul yanked verbatim from the OT law that was supposed to be done away with yet he made mention of the same promise in the NT. Now you cannot deny that Christ has redeemed us from the curses of the law and instead you endorse it but when I show that the blessings remained intact from the law you say either that that blessing belongs to all Christians or that aspect of the law has been totally done away with yet you cannot show one verse that suggests so. If the first part of your reasoning was right, then Paul didn't need to mention it specially in Ephesians 6 and if the second aspect is right, then Paul was wrong for infusing an OT teaching into the NT. I don't even see how a blessing in Malachi relates to execution for witches when Malachi relates to a blessing like Exodus 20 does too, meanwhile the execution of witches is worthless to the discourse.

2. Cornelius was an Italian who practiced Judaism and from every indication was the first Gentile to become a christian. You made need to study properly in that area to figure out how the extrabiblical idea of a Nicolaus drinking the Holy Spirit loooong before Cornelius came about. That aside, I mentioned Cornelius to say that even though he was a practising Jew who prayed at their prayer times and gave alms as was their custom the scriptures didn't say he gave tithes yet he must have to be that thoroughly dedicated Jew that he was designated to be. Same with Paul during his Judaistic days yet not a single mention of him tithing was made in the NT and you cannot with a straight face claim he never tithed. So it only behooves the scriptures to tell us how that the Jews were instructed to stop tithing because of the NT and you or the scriptures cannot dare say so.

3. As for your last point on the authorship of Hebrews now is not the time and place but if you are leaning towards the bible 'scholars' who shared that erroneous belief that someone else bar Paul wrote that then you do not know the significance of that book. The quality of information therein cannot be possessed by anyone except Paul. This is an aside from the very obvious fact that the style of writing was exactly like Paul's. I think it explains why some of the clear teachings from that book seem lost on you. For instance, your question on using Goats or grain as a Freewill offering is irrelevant because People used such things as a form of legal tender and they could still be used till date. But the aspect about using Bulls and Goats for atonement of sin has been done away with and that very book of Hebrews expressly stated it along with the many other Jewish ordinances and practices yet A chief practice like tithes wasn't mentioned.

Candour:


congrats. but all these by propagating the following lies?

Oyakhilome






and getting some teaching help from the below?



Adeboye




Pat Robertson



sure you're making impact.

church of christ isn't my church. I only attend bible studies there. infact the church i attend is smaller so you might want to deepen your disdain

Gombs:


Yes

I did not imply COC was your church, your church is smaller because narrow is the way, and only a few find it... it's noted

Gombs:


Heheheheheh, bobo... I see how far your church has gone, and the impact they make. Yeah, nareow is the way, and only a few find it... noted buddy.

Sir, God knows why tithing is instituted today, and it is so that He'd have meat in His house... if He was against it, are you saying he turned a blind eye to it all these years? He must be waiting for the last day to arrest those Pastors who allowed it in their churches. #Classic

How can you explain how a Nation like the BLW is richer than alot of countries, and they don’t ask any church or foundation for funds, and they go around the world whenever they like, however they like, spreading the gospel of Christ? Monies bro...Prayer is the bedrock...the vehicle is the monies...lots of it. For example, now, there are 1,162 CE churches in India. Aside prayers, we sent tons of Bibles there, tons of ROR, tons of tracts all in different formats. There are 2 Ce Churches in Japan, there is the underground Ce Church in China, and I think 16 in South Korea.

How on earth did you think these happened? Yeah baby! Tithing, Partnership...God opened those windows of heaven, and He sure poured out those blessings.

They just sang the BLW anthem, and boy, I scremed my lungs out with "Believers Love World, building a happier world with love"

Bobo, if you no wan tithe, leave those who want to, whether you like it or not, tithing will NEVER stop. You cannot block the sun with a finger. I'm out.

Partners' conference just entered a higher tempo. Pastor Chris don show stage...bye!

Bonus: Rhapsody of Realities is in 550 languages now, the only book with the most translation in the world second only to the Bible, the world's most read book, second only to the bible, and 105million copies were distributed this year

Abeg, clap for the Holy Spirit, it was not by power or might... yes, I glory in it... in WinsomeX's words "vain glory"