patches689:


Gripen is more advanced in the ISTAR role

patches689:


So, just to be clear.

You are now saying that Military Websites are not the final say on the topic? Going back on what you were saying for so long?

Exellent back-tracking

Ok, you want official press release:
http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/media/editor_media/rm_defence/publicrelations/pressemitteilungen/2012_1/2012-09-19_AAD_Rheinmetall_Denel_Munition.pdf

http://www.deagel.com/Projectiles/Assegai-V-LAP_a000925001.aspx

Thanks for making it so easy to prove we have VLAP

patches689:

Why are you getting so emotional?

You said it was protected against 23mm, implying all round protection against 23mm.

This is false, average protection of the vehicle is only against 7.62

patches689:


In early 2008 a Polish Rosomak serving in Afghanistan (the version with upgraded armor) was attacked by Taliban rebels. The vehicle was hit by two RPG-7 rockets, but it managed to fire back and then returned to base without any help required.[4] In June 2008 a Rosomak was attacked by Taliban and was hit in its frontal armor with a RPG. The armour was not penetrated. In 2009 first soldier was reported killed inside Rosomak after IED exploded under vehicle, which rolled over and crushed gunner sitting in the open turret, similar attacks occurred before, but without casualties
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTO_Rosomak

patches689:


So you confirm that the Grip is better than the ATR because it can perform ISTAR and targeting.

agaugust:


Nigerian army Scorpion tank is a light tank built to be transported by medium aircraft like NAF C-130.

There is a reason the British made the Scorpion after over 100 years of war experience around the world.

Nigerian Scorpion tanks can be moved in quickly and deployed in hours for emergency to foreign countries as power projection, it gives us a light tank with tracks that can drive over muddy terrain where the whole of SANDF will sink and get stuck with their vehicles of similar size and weight.

The Scorpion light tanks gives Nigerian army aircraft portable all terrain wheeled armoured vehicles with a 90mm cannon that fires anti-tank shells among other types, it is a good weapon for force quick deployment in emergency force projection overseas.

SANDF is a dry land only army built for only homeland defense of around Soweto
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agaugust:


RPG penetrated mighty impregnable British Challenger tank. So what? No man made equipment is perfect.

Tell us BMP series have never killed any enemy, only the enemy kills BMP ? Right ?

Drive 50 units of SANDF Ratel IFV into open streets in an insurgency war where terrorists hiding on roof tops among civilians fire RPG from roof tops and windows, I guarantee that ALL and ALL your 50 exposed Ratels will be destroyed by RPG fire, even destroyed by ordinary 14.5mm guns with AP rounds or 23mm ZSU mounted on trucks doing hit and run guerrila street tactics.

Drive any armoured IFV into a disadvantage situation in a killing zone and it will be killed by rag tag rebels.

" Armour

The Ratel is relatively lightly armoured, in order to preserve mobility, weapons space, and range. The vehicle is well-protected against bullets and artillery shell splinters, but is vulnerable to anti-tank guns, automatic cannon such as the Warsaw Pact 23mm AA guns (which were often used in a ground-fire role in Angola), and rocket-propelled grenades. " Source- Wiki

agaugust:


Show us video of Boko Haram capturing a genuine and verifiable Nigerian Shilka, show us now ! Liar !
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agaugust:


Now I have no choice than to snatch away your girlfriend, she's tired of the lies you tell and the garbage you write.

"■ The version BMP-2M "Berezhok" from KBP has an additional AG-30 grenade launcher, 2+2 launchers for ATGM 9M133 "Kornet" and new day/night sights as found on the BMD-4. This upgrade was selected by Algeria." Source wiki

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agaugust:


It says NAF was fighting the same type of dangerous battlefield close air support that Israeli air force fought and got shot down by the same ZSU-23 AAA.

"The ZSU-23 system was particularly effective against the Israeli Air Force. Israeli pilots attempting to fly low in order to avoid SA-6 missiles were often shot down by ZSU-23-4s.

The ZSU-23-4 outclassed all NATO anti-aircraft guns at the time, and it is still regarded as posing a major threat for low-flying fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters. NATO considered the Shilka to be so dangerous that, in time of war, standing orders required NATO pilots to destroy any Shilka observed, even if doing so required the pilot to abandon his mission." Source Wiki.

This fact says to SAAF that Gripens and Hawk jets in @THIZA's photos is NOT real war and attacking sand and stones is a coward pilot's way of avoiding his jet being shot down
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agaugust:


Nigerian T-72 tank in Boko war...

agaugust:


Show us the interior ISTAR equipment of SAAF Gripen, this photo below is that of NAF ATR-42 ISTAR, so let us compare...Fool !!
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agaugust:



You fvcking serial liar !
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agaugust:


Poland's Rosomak is NOT = SANDF Badger.

Different name, different manufacturer, different gun, different terrain capability, Rosomak is full amphibious, Badger is dry land only.

Post me a Badger IFV source where RGP was fired on it !

Liar Liar pants on fire, posting Poland's IFV as South Africa's IFV ! You are busted again !!!

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agaugust:


T-55 has 100mm armour, does that imply all round?

Quote where I said BMP-2 has 33mm armour all round it, post it now. Liar !
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agaugust:


Poland's Rosomak is NOT = SANDF Badger.

Different name, different manufacturer, different gun, different terrain capability, Rosomak is full amphibious, Badger is dry land only.

Post me a Badger IFV source where RGP was fired on it !

Liar Liar pants on fire, posting Poland's IFV as South Africa's IFV ! You are busted again !!!

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agaugust:


Quote where I said that.

What I confirmed is that you are NOT educated enough to know that the TA in ISTAR means Target Acquisition NOT Target Designation.

Victim of poor South African education, that is what you are
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agaugust:


ARHLAC aircraft carries weapons. You agree South African ARHLAC is just crappy crap and garbage. Wow ! Thanks, I owe you chocolates

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agaugust:


In your not-so-bright head, you beloved your mother was born after year 2010 when Nigerian F-7 jets were manufactured.

My Bible says in the book of Proverbs "Reply a fool according to his foolishness". That's why I said your Hawk jets are older than Mandela.

Fool !
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mzilakazi:



You misunderstood him because he brought that gesture only on a sense that F7s and J7s are merely a copy of MIG-21s.




http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/f7ereviewpb_1.htm

Patchesagain:


Again you admit the Gripen is better

It can do ISTAR

and

It can do target designation.

So, Gripen is the better platform.

Thank you.

agaugust:


Yet South Africa is spending millions to build the inferior AHRLAC aircraft for the same role as Scorpion. Mumu

Anything South Africa does not have is bad. Mumu squared
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agaugust:


Scorpion jet is modern man 2014. Gripen is old man 1988.

agaugust:


If you cannot acknowledge the importance of flying combat sorties in defence industry, then I will suggest ANC merges South African air force with South African airways with immediate effect
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agaugust:


Vickers Mk III and Olifant have never met in battle.

I love those virgin Cuban army girls they eat SADF Olifant as morning breakfast for their T-55
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agaugust:


Nigerian T-72 tank in Boko war...

patches689:


citations needed

Vickers only has RHS armor
Vickers has an ancient FCS
Vickers does not have a stabilized gun
Olifant has better armor

Patchesagain:


Been posted many times

BH has a staggering array of your equipment

Patchesagain: